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>> this is al jazeera america and i'm morgan radford. these are some of the stories we're following right now. president obama and house gop leaders are moving closer to a solution to the government shownlt. shutdown but not a solution to the deal. requiring cuts to benefit programs. both the house and the senate will be on session saturday. as the shutdown rolls on some stairts have been able to strike a deal to reopen national monuments. this weekend the statute of
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liberty will be reopened as will mount rus rushmore. >> a massive cyclone is brewing. sigh chloe anyway lynn. thousands have been ordered to evacuate. those are the headlines. see you again in just one hour. as always, you can follow us any time on join the conversation because there's always more to it. at ♪ bbipartisan immigration reform seemed like a sure thing
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a few months ago. of after the sen senate approved the bill it's being stalled. unusual ways the government shutdown is affecting americans. we'll hear from three people that are facing different but real crisis. comic books go to war. the number of comic book journalists who are caught behind the line of conflicts. we begin with immigration. as the government focuses on shutdown comprehensive reform is on the back burner. people around the country are trying to bring the issue back to the forefront. we are seeing the year is ending and the government is shut and they have been shutting down immigration reform for months already.
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>> pr protestor joined in protesting to take up the immigration bill. >> we are tired and done and we don't want to wait anymore. we want immigration reform this year and we want it now. >> every human being deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. it's time for the u.s. government to stop the deportation and the separation of families. >> the government shutdown and the looming debt ceiling. the senate passed a bipartisan bill in june to overhaul the journey the immigration reformed a sri casadvocates have been frd with the house. it's in th the national security interest of the united states. it's in the international economic interest of the united states and it's in keeping with our long history as a nation of
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immigrants that we want a vote in the house of representatives on the immigration reform and we want it now. >> on tuesday members of congress took part in the immigration rally for dig any dy and respect on the national mall. 800 labor leaders were arrested there after they belonge belongn street after the rally. for more i'm joined by a congressman who represents the illinois fourth district. congressman great to have you with us. >> thank you, it's a pleasure to be with you antonio. >> president obama met with senators on friday and to reach an agreement on the shutdown and to see the dibt debt ceiling extended. there is nthere it'sit's not clo be a break through. but majority leader harry reid
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was caustic saying the six-week extension by the house g.o.p. will go no where in the senate. what do you think will happen? >> i don't know. here is what i can say, it's great they are having conversations. >> i can tell you my friends on the republican side of the aisle are looking for resolution. we saw kon congressman king from new york and his caucus and the house of representatives should not be ruled by ted cruz. i came to the congress of the united states to expand healthcare coverage for americans. i want them to have exactly, no i don't want them to have exactly what i have, i would like them to have better than what i have. mine is a great healthcare system which is provided to me through my job. i pay 25 prgs o 25% of it and ts employer contribution and identif identical to other federal employee.
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it's similar to how many of us gitget our healthcare. i would like to see that expanded through america. i'm happy we are not negotiating on that we are in creel o contre budget and as long as we are not relitigating things that have been settled i get it. lifting the debt ceiling should not be part. but you know, barack obama when he was in the senate he said i didn't want it. >> he said clearlily tha clearlt ceiling should not be raised. >> this is a political dog for both parties. president obama's rating on this is 37% accord ing to a poll. but it's worse for the republicans who are getting a big chunk of the blame from the american people. you were there for the shutdown in the 90s. how does that outside pressure or the polling what americans are thinking does that make the
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deal easier? easier. >> i think it brings people to the table. my political posturing is costing. and this place is a political animal. it's impacted by what are my opportunities, a, to retain power? i have got it. >> what are m or what are my opportunity to retain power. that is the prisum of the the debate. >> when you stand on the princple, or i wo i would say v. when paul ryan who runs for president, comes up to me and says "let's work together on immigration reform" because we shouldn't have a firm permanenr class in america. that is against our catholic values.
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that is a foundation that is sustainable. versus, you know, look this will be good for my party or my party is going to be in bad shape if they don't do it. that is political considerations. >> let's talk about immigration and the politics of immigration. you have been out there as much as anyone. you may be one. main leaders of the comprehensive reform movement. you spent time behind bars you were one of eight members that were arrested at a rally for reform. you said on tuesday you know there are enough votes in the house to pass a bhi bill that wd reform immigration and come up with a pathway to citizenship. the senate passed a bill in june. what is happening in the house? >> what is happening in the house is syria happened in the house. the debt ceiling happened in the house. the budget. >> i mean.
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here we are having a debate and the secretary of treasury says while we are on recess. the 17th is the day we run out of money and you have to lift the debt ceiling. when that occurs everything else is going to take a second stake to that. part of this are things you can't control. >> the storm will pass and then we'll be able to move. >> the movement is too large. it's too expansive. it's roots are cemented in our every day life. people are not going to give up on this. >> thi this is who we are. this is like breathing or eating. this is like having to bathe. this is like an every day necessity for our community. that is accomplishing the goal of passing an immigration system. a lot of people think, well we can wait. no we can't. 1100 people were deported today
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and 1100 tomorrow. and 100,000 have been deported that could have been fitted from that bill. >> there is a story from the "new york times" that talks about any overhaul of the immigration laws is likely to be stalled from any of these things syria or the debt ceiling and ae end of 20 2013 at the best. ddo you think the republicans that are breaking immigration reform may break ranks because they are worried about pol polis in an election year. >> in one week the democrats have been able to get 10 180 democrats behind a immigration bill. when was the last time the democratic leadership was for a com reform? i know you are thinking, you no why,er in. why, never.
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we were in a majority, and we never. and now we are in the minority it's helpful to us. we won the remember re referendum last november 6th. we are for it. that is a positive thing thing d momentum. i have 100 people to co-sponsor immigration refeerm. reform. no one said great, good luck i'm happy for you. it wasn't like we were going to pass it. no. 2, there are 45 or 50 a magazine last week is quoted as saying, a conservative as being over 8 80 republicans ready. that is movement in the right direction. and that eventually is going to gel and it's going to give us a reform. >> we have had the dream nine on our show. and you opposed what they did. these are young people that went to mexico and come back to the united states and call attention
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to their issue of the undocumented young people that have been brought to the states. how do you expect them and the rest of the activist community to respond if the house puts off immigration reform. >> first of all they came to my office and i supported them. i immediately wrote a letter to the president of the united states and the department of homeland security asking them to be released. >> you lobbied for them but you weren't happy with the fact that they distracted -- >> i agree with you but i don't want you released. i think fundmently, here is what i do every day. you know what i do, i get calls from people that say, stop my deportation. that is what we should be doing. stopping it and putting people in a safe place. the broader movement was there this past tuesday.
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you know that as i write in the book, i'm lonely. wi write a letter to the president and i turned around that day in washington, d.c. i was alone. i'm not alone anymore. there were eight members of congress there. we could have gotten more. the fact is that the people are ready. for this movement i will be get arrested. an icon of the civil rights movement we are really broadening our movement. we are in such a better place. >> you have been disappointed with the president who is a fellow chicagoian. you in your book are tough on the pred ee presiden ee presideu believed he would lead the way for immigration reform and it hasn't happened. >> look i sat down with the president and he said, will you support me? i have to tell you, i didn't ask him for an ambassador ship.
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i didn't ask for him to give me a princple roll i didn't ask him to be anything other. will you lead and champion the cause of the immigration reform no member of the hi hispanic congressional caucus was with him. i was with him. every other member was with hillary clinton and he got beaten in la and chicago and new york and miami. check the tallies. hillary clinton beat him among hispanics in every state and municipal and village across the country. i stood with him and i expect him to stand with our community. he said imaut i'm going to passn the first year of my administration. that is my priority. so much was expected because so much was promised. i think it's my role and my responsibility not to position myself for the best seat at the next dinner at the white house or who is going to be on air
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force one or 0 who is going to e taken on the overseas trip with the president. i think it's people struggling every day in fear for their families. 1100 today have been deported. >> we only have a couple of minutes left. i want to get two or three questions in. at the protest you called for immigration reform that benefit the parents of the dreamers and the kids and respect the family and honors hard work and reestablishing the rule of law. on the other hand what would you say to people that oppose immigration reform. who say illegal imglacia immigrn flouts the law? >> i want a system of those that are born in america gets the first crack. the only way you will get that system is through comprehensive immigration form and putting in
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a system of e verification. if you don't want people coming illegally and crossing the border illegally -- >> you are tough on those positions. >> wait more-over i want to end illegal imfrustratio immigratiow it. i think that is the right roo way to do it. >> you don't want to mill militarize the border. >> it's a waste of money e. they artheyare our neighbors. i want to make this point for everyone listening in america. mexico and me mexicans by buy me products produced in the united states than all of europe combined. you can take spain and inning ee englaninning. -- england and germany. that means they buy. they are our partners we should have a part the a partnership w. we should take that border and
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make that border something that is secure. we have to fight drug smugglers and drug dealers and human smugglers not come hi commerce and industry. as we struggle for mexico we provide meaningful wage for mexicans. my mom and dad did not come to america in the 50s and they were in new york city what did they hear. they came because they are lazy and they dam came to get on we'l welfare they came because they are bringing diseases. that is the picture of my parents. >> a personal question something you raise in your book after you had been a congressman for four years you were stopped by security on the steps of capitol hill in the years since you have now been there for 20 years. it's been 15 years since that happened. have things gotten better?
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>> things have gotten better and yet, the capitol hill miss security aid said to me why don't you go back to where you came from. you know the story of my life in america many times. i have always been too puerto rico t ian to be an american. i was born in america. i am a american citizen by birth. you can't question i belong in this country. that is whro what the republican party has to us an. understand ssments that is what you propagate in the united states of america prejudice and bigotry. >> thank you for being with us and best of luck in these negotiations. coming up the very varied real world impact of the shutdown.
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we are talking to people that are suffering from real pain from their leaders inability to get the deal done. >> what do you think. we are fielding your questions and join our conversation on
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on august 20th,
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shutdown was ending it's not. the federal workers will get back pay eventually but even they have busines bills to pay . >> many other american workers will never see the money they have lost again. the insid just neist you naturea shutdown from a man starting his own business and communities that rely on tourism are feeling the squeeze. joining me now to talk about how the shutdown is affecting their lives.
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thank you all for being on the show tonight. >> kelly i want to start with you. we heard how the national parks have been hit hard with the shutdown. october is peek season and the scenic railroad that goes through the ki the national par. it's not running from a bizarre situation the federal government owns the rails but not the railroad. huhow is this affecting you? you are a non-profit and it's affecting a th a lot of visitort use the railroad every year. >> this year we have had to cancel 3000 passengers that would have taken advantage of coming out to take advantage of the national park. >> what will it mean for the non-profit? >> we don't know what the full impact will be. we are losing 12 to $15,000 a day.
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this is not income we can make up. there is no back pay we can expect, this is lost revenue for us. we are day b day-by-day and we t sure how it will workout for us yet. >> why are you not allowed to run it. during the 1995 shutdown you were able to run. >> that was for a special event for the christmas holiday. >> th they had a little more negotiating power than we do at this point. tim i want to hear from you. you are starting a rum distillery and then the shout down iyoushutdownis happening ag you. >> two years ago i started planning this business and i went through the regulatory efforts not only the federal level to get licensed and the
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state and the local municipalities and i leased the building and purchased the equipment. i got all of my licencing and a few weeks ago i started producing rum. and the final formality is to get the label approved. anthrough the tax and trade bureau. and they are sthu shutdown. i am at a complete stan standst. i can produce product but not sell a drop. this is an o obscure agency that no one has heard of. the alcohol and toi tobacco andx bureau. >> it's bad enough when the government is functioning properly but when it's shutdown it's unprecedented. >> this affects anybody who is trying to put out any new alcohol. how bad is this for you or how much are you losing? >> i'm
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losing expense-wise it's thousands a month. it could be fiv 5 to 10 thousand dollars every month. i pay rent on a building and i have gas and water expenses and gas and utilities and i have zero income. and it's so new i yet have and a product approved. >> it's affecting everybody. they can't bring new products. they at least have -- >> have established business from other products. >> this is my only product and i can't get anything on the market. >> natasha yo your case is whate have heard more about. you were furloughed from a census burrow bureau. this broke my heart i had to sit down with my five-year-old girl to have a conversation conversas with her. >> what is the immediate impact
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on you and your family? >> the immediate impact my husband and i both work. he is not a federal government employee. i make more money than him. my contribution is what we depend on together to make it day-by-day, and just to make ends meet. so it's a lot of pressure on him to hold down bills that he wouldn't be able to do alone by himself. we are finding our self self oug to figure out which expenses we are going to pay over others. most of us will receive our last paycheck tomorrow or no later than wednesday. and not to mention the deductions that already come out of our checks tsp and health insurance and dental and vision will be automatically deducted. by the time our deductions come out we are looking at less than 30$300 to receive on our paychek
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for the house w we worked on the week before the shutdown. >> filing unemployment if you don't get back to work soon? >> file unemployment and we had a plan to borrow cash from our life insurance policy and bore borrow money from our 401k and we are down to driving one vehicle versus two and we have taken our daughter out of child care. and some days we'll do public transportation versus driving. >> we have a social media question. >> thank antonio. >> on twitter ashley says, dude, the scenic railway is shutdown too? i feel like the effects keep coming. open up the government again. >> what sort of reactions have you seen from other ohio ians. it first started with empathy. people are cure yag curious andw
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people are starting to get angry. >> you wrote a letter to the sneaker of the house john boehner but you haven't gotten a response? >> i haven't heard. >> you are trying to convey what the shutdown has done to his home state. >> the only national park in the state of ohio. >> tim you wrote to your congressman. >> i did. i can't say i really expected a response right away. i contacted congressman murphy couple of days ago. >> and you must be surrounded by other people that are furloughed. are people angry? >> people are very angry and disastronau distraught and mortified. i spoke to a mother of four and she relies on her check to pay expenses for her children. it's scary for her not to ebb be able to keep her lights and gas
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and heetd heat heat on and pay r a family of five. fourteen% of americans beef the nation is headed in the right direction. and 17% think the economy will improve in the next 12 months. and 63% believe they have been made less fenlt confident aboute economy. kelly is that how you and your friends feel in ohio. we are wor worried about tomorr. >> you are not too far away in pittsburgh. that is the general feeling about the economy there? >> pittsburgh is kind of been on the upswing for a while. which is why it made senator mee for me to do my own business. things are going well around here. when things like this happen they come out of no where, what
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do you do? >> tha natasha as a government workers' are you concerned about this distrust of government? >> i'm very concerned. right now we are faced with the uncertainty and the unknown of how long this will last and when we will be able to go back to work. many fed employees who next experienced the furlough in '95 were optimistic about this hang happening again and were shocked to know that we were facing another shutdown. many of them didn't think this was going to happen. to not know when we are going to go back to work and get a full paycheck is dairy for most -- sr most of us. to note know when we will go back to work and pay our boils. ills. time is ticking. >> we wish yo you all the best d we appreciate you coming on the
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show tonight. we all know about the refugee crisis in places like jordon.
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my name's nicole deford and i'm a senior product manager in digital for al jazeera america. i was born in thailand, grew up in hong kong and singapore and graduated high school there. i think the most rigorous assignment i've ever been a part of is actually what we're doing right now. they're building a network from the ground up, and al jazeera is a really great place to be right now. there are a lot of stories out there that are under-covered that people really want to see in the news. we're going to tell stories in a new and different, exciting way, and i think people are going to be really surprised and impressed with what they see. a sia series of tragedies ae
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focusing the world's attention on a an ongoing refugee crisis. thousands of people have fled in rickety boats. >> hundreds have died and sometimes when the about boothse close to shore. the latest tragedy came on friday. a boat capsized off the italian island of lampedusa. re refugees died when their boat sank. the s somalis died on thursday when their boat sank off lampedusa. i'm joined by bill director of human rights watch program. and also joined
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bbill i want to start with you. >> the numbers are horrific. 15,000 refugees sought asigh lam asylumlast year and this year 420 have drowned. and we have all seen pictures of syrian civil war. more than 2 million si syrians e in refugee camps. and we were reminded s somalia s their own civil war. and the navy seals raid last weekend. there is so much conflict going on in the area. is that arc of conflict throughout the middle east and north africa and the horn of africa making things worse and how much worse? >> it certainly is making things worse. people flee because of violence. they also flee state ow oppress.
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where you have oppressive control of the population there. no independent you. you. dish ary when you don't have donconflict you have good reasos why they are fleeing these countries. >> you fled a decade ago what drove you to leave? >> i left the country and i was a stay tuned an student and i wf the student movement over there. and once the student movement was crushed by the government we were all at risk that were part of the movement. at some point i got a scholarship there and i was not allowed to leave the country. i walked out of the country to sudan like many of the refugees
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and from sudan i flew up her. >> that must have been incredibly hard to make it here. >> bill, the refugees we have seen dying on the rickety boats they must not have much money. is that why we see them ending up in this situation trying to get to europe. >> there is no orderly mechanism that the europeans have set up to protect people. there are regular i have is a vees is visa regimes. but for people seeking asigh as. they have failed to set up orderly blo procedures to allow them to come in. they are forcing people to enter europe illegally and asking for asylum once they get there. >> they are heading to malta because they are close? they are the closest ports to north africa.
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many of them are trying to get to italy. they end up in malta some of them not knowing what malta is. and lampedusa is the island that is part of the italian territory and it's very close to libya and that is where they end up going for the most part. >> the story of the rickety boats and the people dying in the mediterranean are tragically familiar to you. some of your family were not able to make it. >> that's true. in 2011 in the end of march and beginning of april there was a similar incident that was not reported as right now around 400 people diedmen died and i have a second cousin there. and a year before that in august of 2010 we lost another family member too. this is a very sad and terrible
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story, but it's been going on for a while. >> it's terribly sad and we are sorry for your losses. we have a social media question for you. thanks antonio. on a huffington post story on the resent boat that capsized. why don't they go to other african countries? >> well other african countries are hostile. we are talking about somalis. for people that go to the camps that are just on the border between khartoum and sudan it's a precarious place and there are kidnappings and people disappearing from there and there is nothing for people. it's the oldest refugee camp in the world and it's a complete dead-end. anyone that for either protection reasons or if they want to make anything of their life can't find any hope there.
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many cross the sahara desert which is an extremely dangerous journey. many people have died there as many as have died in the mediterranean. and they end up in libya. libya for years was under quadaffi and they had no refugee law and no way to protect refugees and migrant detention centres. and now you have a failed state which is incapable of providing any protection and many of those same detention centers are under control of the militia centres that are hostile to mig mig migrants. many go to israel and israel has now built a fence and they get stuck in the sinai and it's a battle ground of insurgency and
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a place where traffickers have held them for ransom and held guns to their heads and tortured them and demanded money from their family members and allowed them to go back to cairo where well. >> is there an issue of them being abused and exploited when they hit the shores. how many are getting asylum. >> the main thing is access to asylum and getting a foot hold there. what the italians are doing in a big way are trying to make new deals with the various leaders that are running around libya to try to prevent boats from taking off or catch them when they are in the libyan territorial waters. so the rules on refugee protection don't kick in that would ordinarily take place in the european union.
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the other thing that happened lampedusa used to have a capacity for 850 people. there was a fire and they never repaired the capacity of the detention center. they never fixed it up. >> that is creating real tension there. some of the people that live on lampedusa are feeling like it's not our island anymore. there is money to take care of the immigrants while the schools rubbish piles up. the distances that they have to travel to get to a place like la lampedusa is horwood reig horre. >> it's horrible feeling when somebody looks at you that way.
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refugee here is not a problem. he needs protection and when you you you are looked at that way it's terrible. they can say how they feel from their side. when you look at it from the refugee side, it's i'm speechless. and it can happen to anybody. there were refugees within europe and there were refugees everywhere in the world. and i hope that the local population will treat them better. >> bill, how wide spread is resentment toward refugees in europe right now? >> i think this is a bit of manipulation that is going on here. it's information that can be used by democrat goin demogoges to whip up support. and
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lampedusa shouldn't be the end of the line. there is no reason that the island should be over crowded and the island should be made to suffer. you use lampedusa as a welcome sinister you ca center you can have them moved in 24 hours. these things can be managed and organized and europe as a whole needs a more equitiable burden sharing and so the onus doesn't fall on maul at tha maul at mald greece. it shouldn't be because of the happenstance of geography left holding the bag here. it's something that ought to be shared and the european union has failed to do that thugs far. far -- thus far. >> thank you for joining us and
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bringing attention to the humanitarian crisis that has gotten little attention here in the united states. it's important to know what is going on. thank you to to you both. we still don't have the flying cars of the jetsons but
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system that adjusts cruising speed and adjust highway driving. they need a driver behind the wheel but look ma, no hand. that is gm's research and development manager and high speed driving. nissan aims to have a fully automated drive by 2020 and google's car has been tested for 40,000 miles and including highways e. and some drives have been popping up on google. more people would buy a sub driving car from the folks behind the massive search engine than from companies that have bittebittenbuilt engines from tt septemberry. septemberry -- century. tesla's car can hit high speed is very high-tech. the car mfertio manufacturers ae
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millions who need assistance now. we appreciate you spending time with us tonight. up next is the golden age of hollywood going golden but elsewhere. why l.a.'s mayor has declared a state of emergency for the entertainment industry there. next.
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a growing number of comic books are showing a percen perspective tht is rarely seen in imagin magazi. we chronicle a number of artists and their work. artists that are becoming to be known as comic book journalists. they take a look at a number of examples including fact from scarsarajevo. >> he was trapped under seige. a fax machine his own life line to the outside world. >> he and his family would run from home to home as they were bomb bombarded by shells. two kid one in his arms and his wife tagging along. they tanks were coming up the street and bombarding the houses. and the only way we could communicate with them is by fax.
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mark daniels joins us from paris. ted rawlings. >> after we kill you we will welcome you back as invited guest is his new book. most people are not aware of this genre. what is comic book journalism and how much is there? >> there is quite a bit of it. it's growing not just in the world of war reporting but in all sorts of reporting and human interest stories and all kinds of things. it's basically someone who reports on a event through text and drawings. it's old technology. one can imagine the cave man coming back in th from the huntd
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drawing rye no, . the kind of stories that people to tell kind of have to have a long term dr. term -- interests. >> it's more along the lines of a documentary film or magazine writing or something like that. i chose to concentrate on war reporting because i think it's the most dramatic and it raises the most questions of objectivity and it raises questions about access. there are questions about comic books and questions about journalism that come to the floor when you are dealing with people in these extreme situations? >> many powerful examples throughout the documentary. comic books have been around for years focusing on war.
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you may argue it may have had a lot to do with the growth of comic books. captain america and sou super m. man. war has been a common theme in comic books. there is a fil philosophical difference in the way it's approached by these comics? >> it's non-fiction opposed to the fiction a alized account. it's whether you are covering a war or a convention. a comic book journalist tries to be as objective as possible and obviously objectivity is objective. >> it brings a lot of power to telling stories. why do you think these comic books as we see so much coverage
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of tragedies on television and on the internet and newspapers. what do these comic books do that traditional journalism don't? >> well it's not bombarding you with lots of electronic images. it's very -- you choose your own pace as you go through it. you go back to panels and ahead to panels and you can reread things and you can work through it at your own pace. there is something thoughtful and pensieve about that technology. and it's very subjective and very personal as ted said, so you are really getting the view of someone who was there and saw it. i feel that til television, war coverage in particular, has gotten quite impersonal. more happens in the studio with the anchorman pointing at maps
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and interview subject. and it's gotten more and more away from the reporter in the field than it was during vietnam, for instance. there is a different kind of interface with the information. and it's something that allows you in some ways to see more clearly. because the artist has made the -- you don't see the forest for the trees in a way because the artist has just drawn the trees you are supposed to see. it really makes it very clear what the person' person is experiencing. and this i don't think happens on television so much. novel. >> it was a memoir. >> it was moore of more more o. it was about the holocaust. what do you say to people that say well a graphic novel and a comic book.
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how can they not trivialize the subject? >> just read it. >> comicses can be as serious or fife lusfrivolous as the author. >> hit has been said it trivializing the holocaust. comics are easy for everyone to understand. they digest and we grew up with them zblrchlt it' it's word plud our mind can process them. our minds process and can connect to people. the film talks about how this specific example of 9/11 traditional comics and bringing superman and spiderman to new york and the after math of 9/11. those were not able to capture the substance and the tragedy and the fullness of that moment.
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why did fiction in comics not do it and graphic comic books did? >> well i think the main point is that sort of eye witness experience. there is a thank transmission on experience but an idea about an experience. obviously the fiction characters brought 9/11 into their world because they can't really enter our world. it was bound to drive e trivialn a way. even if the world were grand and noble. the event became trivialized. where something like speigleman's book is a psychotic result of the unexpected horror of what happened. there is an immediacy and eye witness quality that is very important. that is something you don't get
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in the fiction book. >> i have a few seconds left and i want to talk about a differet topic. editorial cartoons a powerful way of communicating stories. with the declining newspapers is that an endangered species. >> a person that went to work every day and was able to express in pictures that is disappearing. there is a certain promise ahead. there are new print outlets that are hiring cartoonists? >> hired a cartoonist. it happens. >> thank you very much. comic books go to war will air here on al jazeera. the show may be over and the
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