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>> i have spoken about freedom in my lifetime. your struggle. your commitment. and your discipline. has released me to stand before you today. but freedom wasn't easy. to reform the government, has to play peace keeper, trying to temper escalating violence between his party, and supporters of the freedom party. who wanted no part of negotiation with the government that has helps them down. thousands were killed in black on black fighting. also a powerful political force himself was crumbling. the woman who supported
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him so publicly during the long years of incarceration was accused of having affairs, of being linked to some of the murders.
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and the party that he led is an embarrassment to itself at the moment. awe owe his passing comes at the time of great concern to the country. >> whatever the concerns about where the country is now? i know that corruption continues, to be a real issue for the country. unemployment, and poverty continue to be real issues for the country, this many years now, with the anc, at the head of the political weather. >> you know, it is a combination of things.
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i think worldwide jobs, and labor, have -- it's a very difficult period worldwide for those but in south africa it is a place of great deal idealism, that's been cheated of it's democratic birthright in many ways. by corruption, by nepotism, and by lack of concern for those small people that have been called that nelson la used to understand were the bedrock of what makes a nation. >> well, and it is good to talk to you, greg. at this moment in time, i thank you for your insights and your thoughts on the passing of nelson mandela, and these are pictures from johan news burg outside the house. nelson mandela, the u.n. secretary general, was he
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making a statement of the passing, just let me know. let me bring in my colleague morgan ratford. lived and talks -- i did not know this, in south africa. morgan, what are your thoughts in. >> there was in 2010, i was there as a full right and i taught at the university in turban. i was also living in johan news burg during the time of the world cup. offs friend of the mandela family, and as greg mentioned this is a very interesting time for this to be happening in south africa. as greg mentioned the anc is going through a very tumultuous period. and mandela was their symbol of hope. >> a lot to ask you, but i believe the secretary of united nations is talking about the passing of nelson mandela. >> aspirations of the
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united nations. he shows what is possible for our world, and we didn't within each one of us, if we believe, a three man work together for justice and humanity. he is more decisive, in dismantling the system of apartheid. he marched from detention without rancor. i was privileged to meet nelson mandela in february 2009. he insisted the credit belonged to others. i will never forget his selflessness, and deep sense of shared purpose. on behalf of the united
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nations, i extend my deepest condolences to his family, the people of south africa, and indeed our global family. let us continue each day to be inspired by nelson mandela's life long example, to keep walking or a better and just world. thank you. the u.n. secretary general offering his thoughts on the passing of the former south african president. morgan, you were just talking about your time in south africa, and this time when the anc is under pressure from all sides. >> for example, we had this national hiccup around julius who is the youth afc leader, and
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brought up some old songs that were of a time when there was a great tension between black south africans and the so called -- who live in the country, and right now at the time when south africa is trying to come together as we saw them try to come together, when the entire world is watching south africa. is there a moment here, there are certainly issues and concerns. but is this a moment here waythe passing of nelson mandela for those issues and concerns to be put to the side i am wondering what your thoughts are on this moment, this period of mourning for this country. kind of south africa will we see over the next few weeks. what might emerge? >> south africa is a country of triumph. triumph of out tragedy. if anything we will see a
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very resilient. >> that's my experience tells me. and i think that south africa has been a nation -- look at what it has been able to do. in just a few short years, they are experiencing much of what america experienced in the 1960's, and you are seeing their leaders come together. they are learning how to overcome. >> you are experience the release in 1993. >> right, because mandela was their first democratically elected black leader of this country. and it was a very big deal, he is from a smaller tribe, compared to the zula tribe, which is the tribe that the current president belongs to. so it is a momentous occasion, a chance for them to really show they colors. >> james joseph is with us now. the former u.s. ambassador to south africa. good to talk to you, let me take a moment -- appreciate it, thank you so much. >> good to have you with us on al jazeera america.
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ws of the passing ofhare with the former president. >> well, all of us are saddened, but he had such a successful life, that we have to celebrate his life rather than mourn his death. what are your memories of the man? maybe personal recollections. >> i first met him shortly after he got out of prison, and i remember him as a very personable man, who commanded a presence with a kind of royalty and an elegance even about his humanity. >> i know the basic question is yes, was you can provide some context for us, did you have a sense of the mission, the task, ahead of him, and how difficult and challenging it would be. >> he understood that
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very well, but because of the values that led him to where he was, he was able to take on this task with the second time with calmness, and integrity. what are your thoughts about the challenge ahead for the country. my lasting impression is reconciliation, and the feeling that if he can forgive, then who am i not to forgive. and also the feeling of the potential of the human spirit, that here was this man who lad been incarcerated for 27 years and he could come out prison talking about forgiveness, and reconciliation.
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i'm very optimistic about the future, south africa is well established democracy, and i think they will have difficulties ahead. but they would be difficulties if he was still president. >> the former u.s. ambassador -- james joseph on the line with us, appreciate it, thank you for your time. >> you are welcome. s. >> very strong ties. my great grandfather and gandhi were together. and they went to south africa. my great grandfather was asked to give -- when he first started his school, my demand father was his youngest student, and they were trained from that age, from the age of eight, my grandfather was trained in passive
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resistence. that you go, break these unjust laws, and go to jail. and you remember, if you saw the movie gandhi, and you know from the history, these people would go and break the law. and they would go inside and get arrested and go to jail. and nelson mandela carried that movement and into the black independent movement. they weren't distinct at the time, these were all about freedom. if you weren't white you weren't getting freedoms. and in the end my family had to leave because they had been involved in the antiapartheid. >> what years in. >> my family left in 1961, their business was destroyed, bulldozed by the government, because they had been involved in the financing of apartheid.nd they left butt back, we went back in the 90's, and they are south african citizens and have watched this country build. and the ambassador was right, this country was going to have problems any way. all of the money, all of
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the education, all of the business opportunity went to a very very small minority, and if you want to equal that out, it is going to cost, and it is going to hurt. all of those school children that left to protest, and then you saw the massacre. they shot children in the back. those children gave up their education, and it works. it was that global pressure to end apartheid, that led to it. and those very children wanted jobs in the new south africa. and they couldn't get them, because in the end, it was now -- it is now about education. so that's the problem that south africa had. they had brought them to the promise land. that's what with the country still sufficient errs from. >> 76. >> right. >> and remember at the time, the world was getting onboard with the
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let's do something about south africa, but the problems with ever this the wrights and great britain. ronald ragan and margaret thatcher were really the most resistence to imposing sanctions. we're saying to the president at the time, we have to do something. >> and they wouldn't. >> yes. >> and they wouldn't. >> and yet -- >> and vetoed by it. >> when mandela came out of prison, one of the it was a very very long line. and payment were wondering what that conversation must have been, and he said please give my warmest regards to madame thatcher i home to meet here one day. this man had such composure. >> you are staying here with me.
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let's get to white house, we are anticipating a statement any moment now. mike, let's have you to the ebbing tend that he with have the time. walk us to the president's comments. well, i think we can expect barack obama to say what he is going to say in the past, that is that nelson mandela is a personal inspiration to him. at occidental, he wasn't political active but became so. the president had sited to heros in his life, one of them is gandhi, and the other is nelson mandela. them soon mandela closed
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a statement saying i have fought against white domination. and i have fought against black domination. i have cherished the eye deal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony, and with equal opportunities. it is an adiel i wish to live for and achieve. but if needs be, it is an ideal for hi'm prepared to die. nelson mandela lived for that idea, and he made it real. achieved more than could be expected of any man. and today he has gone home. we have lost one of the most courageous, influential, and good human beings that any of us will spend time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us, he belongs to the ages.
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through his fierce dignity, and unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, his journey from a prison to a president, embodies human beings and countries can change for the better. with in the lives of nations or our own personal lives. the fact that he did it all with grace, and good howmore, and an ability to acknowledge his own perfections only makes the man that much more remarkable. as he once said, i'm not a saint, unless you think of a saint as a sinner who keeps on trying. i am one of the countless millions who drew
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inspiration from nelson mandela's life. my very first political action, the first thing i ever did that involved an issue or a policy or politics, was to protest against apartheid. i studied his words and writings. the day he was released from prison, gave me a sense of what human beings can do when they are guided by their hopes and not their fears. ky not fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set. and so long as i live,ly do what i can do learn from him. to his family we extend our deepest sympathy, and gratitude for sharing this extraordinary man with us. his lives work meant long
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days away from those that loved him most, and i hope that the time spent with him brought peace and kurt to his family. to the people in south africa. and resilience that you made reel. free south africa at peace with itself. that's an example to the world. and that a the do deepest legacy so the nation that he loved. we will not likely see the likes of nelson mandela again. so it falls to us as best we can for the example he set, to make decisions guided not by hate but by love, never discount the difference that one person can make. to stride for a future that is worthy of his sacrifice. for now, let us pause and
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give thanks for the fact that nelson mandela lived. a man who took history in his hands. and bent the arc of the moral universes towards justice. may god bless his memory, and keep him in peace. >> remarked on the passing of nelson mandela from the president of the united states. for those of us just joining us, we received word on the passing of the former president of south africa, nelson mandela at the age of 85. he had been ill for some time. he was in and out of the hospital most of the summer, suffering through lung problems so he wantedded with pneumonia. we received word from the family that mande


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