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need... and a host willing to ask the tough questions >> how do you explain it to yourself? and you'll get... the inside story ray suarez hosts inside story weekdays at 5 eastern only on al jazeera america >> it's backlash with foreigner he is accused of coming in and stealing jobs from american citizens. i'm not talking about america. i'm talking about europe where a deadly attack in paris just added fuel to the fire. also, lower oil prices may be helping consumers but its hurting states. and brace yourself, how far interest rates may be going up. this is real money. [music]
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>> in pair race today gunmen stormed the office of a controversial satirical magazine killing 12 people before getting away. french president françois hollande said there is a massive manhunt. one masked money man was heard saying we avenge mohammed. the committee to condemn protect journalists call this a brazen assault in the heart of europe. this is against the backdrop 6
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of anti- sentiment. in france, the right wing national front has spent years exploiting sentiment against immigrants. a great many of them muslims from colonyies in africa. france has the largest muslim population of $5 million out of a total population of 65 million. we still have not been told the identify of the attackser. >> wednesday's attack in paris amid what some see of islam's rise in society. >> nationalist groups have almost always sought to make capital out of terrorist incidents.
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>> in germany the grassroots anti-islam movement staged an 18-thousand strong demonstration this week was quick to capitalize on wednesday's shooting, writing on its facebook page, quote: >> the leader of france's far right national front said it's too early to draw political conclusion about the attack in paris. but the party's anti-muslim platform propelled it to a landmark victory in france's european parliament election last may. anti-muslim tensions are on the rise throughout europe. three mosques were targeted by arsonists in sweden over the holidays. anti-immigrant movement in europe has gained traction as economies have faltered. the latest piece of bad news hit
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wednesday with figures showing inflation in the euro zone turning negative for the first time since the great recession . >> the rise that we've seen the past few years could be linked to this week with the never really improving economy. >> people turned out to show support for the french while mainstream muslim organizations in the u.k. and france condemned the attack. a picture of solidarity that belies the growing sentiment division. >> for the first time in years consumer prices fell in the 18-country eurozone by .2 of a percent. compared to a year earlier. you would think that people would celebrate when prices
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start to fall, but it's bad news for any economy in deflation when prices begin to fall, people wait for them to fall further before they go out and spend money. it fuels further stagnation. unemployment in in the eurozone has been stuck for six months at 11.5%. and many europeans blame immigrants for taking scarce jobs and more. while attention might be on i immigration, the intelligence communities are focusing on who these perpetrators are and the kind of training they've received. nick schifrin joins us for a second night. this is another area you've been looking in to, when you were researching isil this is a big issue. who are these people. >> this is what keeps u.s. and european officials up at night. we don't know how they trained or where they trained, but the fear is that attacks like this in paris can be repeated more
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likely because of what is happening in iraq and syria. the border that we showed you last night is a seive. there have been literally thousands of people pouring through the borders of turkey. at least 400 of those people are french. at least 400 of them are british. those people have passports that will allow them to sneak into syria, but to sneak back into europe. one ever those people we talked to last night, someone who basically sells things for isil is a smuggler, is also smuggling people, not only artifacts, not only making money. he showed me on his iphone that he had pages and pages of passports. some fake, some real, the point he was trying to make was he was taking people from isil headquarters in northern syria into europe. that's what people are worried about. these kinds of attacks are happening . >> the most valuable thing for isil is not just showing the
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western passport by someone who has gone to fight for isil, it's the ones that are kept. >> al-qaeda has wanted to do this for years. they've largely failed. isil has succeeded where al-qaeda failed in a matter of six months. so many people in europe, in thousands to come in to syria, to come into iraq, these are the people that the intelligence community is focusing on. we talked to officials, they say it's too early to judge who these people are and where their train something from, but what they're worried about is people coming through turkey, iraq, and they're trained. you look at the video from this attack, they're very calm. they're very well trained. >> they may deny that they were trained. you wouldn't know that they would be trained. >> experts say the same thing. they are trained. they've used these weapons before. they've been trained to use these weapons, the fear is they're being trained in iraq and other groups, we should not only look at isil, and they're trying to get back.
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that's why you see a big push in france by the government, okay how do we stop these people from getting back. david cameron, prime minister of great britain said asked what can they do. there are at least a dozen americans fighting in syria for isil right now. >> we've always hurd that turkey can be an easy entry point. if you're going to fight for isilings get yourself to turkey, and then you can get in. what i hadn't seen until your story last night was that literally you can get there at this crosses that you were at, and that river looks like you could easily swim across it or wade across it. >> there is another crossing in a couple of miles where there is no border. the turks to their credit, have tried to crackdown on people
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oil, as we showed you last night, on gas, artifacts that are crossing, but these are smugglers who make money and who have been doing this for decades. whether it's artifacts or a french radical, these people on the border are making money, and they're fighting for isil because they're being paid. >> you're a resourceful guy, you're a journalist, and you've worked in war zones. you probably know how to find people using contacts, but my guess is if you can find these three people who can get people and stuff across the board for isil, the turks can. the turks are ostensibly on the side of the west. they are a nato country. they're supposedly helping in this fight against isil. there is a lot of criticism. can't they do more with these borders? >> fearing getting in the weeds for just a second, the turks supported radical groups inside syria because the turks oppose syrian president assad. that purpose was purposely
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opened at first. they're trying to take that back under a lot of u.s. pressure to close that border, to stop the oil and artifacts and people but it's three years later. it's really hard. all this propaganda from 400 french fighters, 400 british fighters, 300 german fighters. >> you showed the images of these people saying this is my name. i'm from the u.k. >> come live with me in the islamic state. the self-declared islamic state which is isn't as dreamy as they like to pretend it is, but the propagandas have worked. that's where al-qaeda failed and isil has succeeded. this is just the fear of the intelligence community that they're going there and then coming back. >> they're harder to track until they do something like they did in paris.
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i think most people if have no doubt that they'll find the guys who did this, but they have to wait to do something. >> the european officials will say they didn't know who was in syria on iraq, and they've gotten better, they do have lists now. there is a reason why u.s. officials can tell me there are 400 french, 400 british, they have a notion of the people who are in there, and they know who they are. for the first couple of years they didn't. do they know 100%, they know exactly who they are. >> i think in 2015 we should. let's stay right here, nick dana lewis is standing by with the latest. what's going on? >> well, indeed, there is a major operation going on, some 800 police and security officials and anti-terror police have been sweeping this country tries to find these three masked men. in the last couple of hours
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we've been hearing different reports from different french media. none of them confirmed by the authorities here that they have identified the three masked men. indeed, now we're hearing that there is a major police operation going on in the last hour in reams, two hours drive from here. here's what we can tell you according to media sources, it would ahere that two of these mean may be french nationals. they come from a suburb in the north part of france. they are in their 30s. they are brothers. then the third suspect is an 18-year-old teenager, also apparently a french national. now the reason why they got onto these guys' identifies identities so quickly, when they fled here, one of them left their i.d. in the car. so very quickly the french authorities were able to get onto that. they were able to track at least one of them.
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now you have an operation going on to the northeast of paris. anti-terror police surrounding a house there, and there is some video we've been able to see of snipers and police and military and military fatigues surrounding that area. after a day-long hunt for these men it would appear that the police are naturing this down if, indeed, they have the right men. >> in addition to targeting the journalists at charlie hebdo one of the aims of terrorism is to inflict terror. what is the mood you see in paris? >> reporter: well, i think people are just stunned that this was able to occur here. i spoke to a number of eyewitnesses. just over my shoulder, a few hundred yards after they fled the up in office, after carrying out their attacks on the journalists, they open fired on
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police. a group of policemen on bikes. they missed them, then they hit a police car that was responding to the scene. we're told, and i saw that car being towed away with a lot of bullet holes in the windshield. ali, that policeman was wounded in the leg. he wound up on the sidewalk, and the masked men walked over calmly and finished him off, shot him at gunpoint on the sidewalk. i spoke to a woman who had just dropped off her child at daycare down the road. she began to hear all this gunfire. she didn't know what it was. it was at 11:30 in the morning. there was traffic, people going about their business in broad daylight. she said she thought it was fireworks at first. she walked around, and the police came running up saying this is a real police operation. there is real gunfire going on here. you have to take cover, and she heard more and more shots as guys spilled out in the streets. if this was well planned you have to wonder because there was
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chaos as the masked men left that building. they kareemed into the street, ran into the police, open fired at different locations. they fled in a stolen vehicle. they ran into another vehicle at an intersection not far from here, and then in another district just down the road they then dumped that vehicle and were able then to hijack another one. and one of them said to bystanders on the street that he was connected to an al-qaeda cell from yemen. if, indeed, the identities of these men is correct, one of them was put on trial here in in 2008 for trying to funnel insurgents to fight the americans in iraq. he was put on trial and he went to prison. for a short time. >> dana lewis reporting on these developments. we'll check in with you again. you heard what dana is saying. there is a contrast between the
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calmness and the execution of that police officer who was shot in the leg and then the chaos that was started. what are you thinking of? >> the point there that the people i'm talking to tell me is that this was not meant to be some large-scale first type of attack. this was specific. this was targeted. that's why you didn't see u.s. officials come out and increase the threat level. that's why they didn't say well, we really are worried about this kind of attack duplicating itself. they really do think that at least their initial sense was that this was specified. this was a mention for this newspaper, for this city, for this time. and that's why nobody is saying well, it's going to be repeated again, of course, french authorities are concerned about another attack. these guys are still out there. but in terms of u.s. authorities looking at this attack, they don't see a 9/11. they see something targeted at this site.
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>> nick schifrin. thank you for joining us. if you have any doubts that >> protestors are gathering... >> there's an air of tension right now... >> the crowd chanting for democracy... >> this is another significant development... >> we have an exclusive story tonight, and we go live...
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>> 12 people dead in paris after a gruesome attack on a satirical magazine for magazining muslims and almost everyone else in french society. let's go to thomas sanderson.
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he heads up the think tanks transnational threats project. thomas has over 20 years of experience in foreign affairs. he has done field work in 60 countries worldwide. he joins us now from washington. thomas, you have the information that we all have at the moment. i think what people are trying to figure out is whether this was--these are french nationals that the police are looking for in france. is this a local--are these locals motivated by a larger movement, or is this something more organized by an al-qaeda affiliate or isil affiliate? >> i think these are local who is have taken steps to engage in combat . unknown if they have received training or battlefield experience based on this steadiness that they pursueed.
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that raises serious concerns. if they are french nationals they have french passports, they can travel to the united states through the visa waiver program without going to the embassy and they can just show up at the washington du lles airport if they so choose. >> what we think we know of the identities the police are looking for, i would imagine that these guys are flagged all over the world. they're not likely to be able to get off without someone seeing them. >> but that points to a larger problem that you have 3,000 fighters from europe who have gone into battle . >> i interviewed a passport trafficker, he had the ability
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to take a passport from a deceased fighter and insert a new picture in it. even if it's not the same individual going on that passport, someone else can use that passport. >> what is the approach that countries have to take given this new reality? we've known this is a possibility, but given that this now has happened does this change anything? or are our countries doing the same thing they've been trying to do over the last few months. >> i don't think it is out of the ordinary as far as expectations for what we expected to see from either returning fighters or homegrown extremists. i think this will engender huge changes. i think it will cause security services to be on a higher level of alert in vigilance, and they'll do that as far as human beings can stay on a higher letter of vigilance, but i don't think this will represent or
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push through a fundamental change in how we approach security, who we look at, and what we expect to happen as far as attacks on our own soil. i just don't think it will. >> and we've had a lot of focus on isil as sophisticated organization, and i guess we have this concept of people who are able to train and then move back and forth to the west with their passports. but in fact, there are some associations with these french that they're looking for. is the focus on isil. >> you mean the focus and this investigation, that would be wrong. but i think the focus if you're talking about the broader, i think there are plenty of eyes
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and ears across the coalition, and alqaida core and other groups, no doubt about it. including al nusra inside syria. they're highly trained, well resourced, and they're coming very close to the united states through aircraft, so i don't think we've taken our eye off aqap at all, and these individuals have had association with them that may bring increase attention to the group. >> thank you for your insight. thomas anderson senior fellow of transnational threat. on the cyber terrorism front the direct right of the fbi is giving new details that helped them determine that north korea was responsible for the sony hawk. it came after criticism that the
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administration was too quick to blame the nation. >> the fbi director used his top billing at the fifth annual global cyber security summit in new york city to rebut the skeptics who have questioned the case against north korea for the sony hack. >> there is not much in this life that i have high confidence about, i have very high confidence about this attribution, as does the entire intelligence community . >> president obama accused north korea, various cyber experts began blogging about their doubts. >> some serious folks have suggested that we have it wrong. i would suggest--i'm not suggesting, i'm saying they don't have the facts that i
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have. they don't see what i see. >> the most popular counter theory was that it was an inside job with the keys to the sony kingdom provided by a disgruntled employee who was laid off last may. >> the malware employed , the attack had similar ities to the tease on south korea's banks and media outlets. >> several times they got sloppy. several times either because they forgot or they had a technical problem they connected directly, and we could see them.
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and we could see that the ip address being used to post and to accepted the e-mails coming from ips that were exclusively used by the north koreas. >> he said for him that amounts to case closed, and speaking at the same conference today the director of national intelligence, james clapper, concurred. he told the story of meeting in north korea with the general he says was in charge of the attack, and he said that the north koreans are in his words deadly, deadly serious about afronts to their supreme leader who they regard as deity. >> with a glut of oil, driving prices down do we even need this pipeline any more. a look at who is pushing hard for it and why in two minutes. [[vo]] an america tonight
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>> the senate was supposed to hold a hearing on the keystone xl pipeline. that prompted house peeker john boehner to say that president obama is siding with the fringe extremists. why all the fuss? it's money. >> reporter: for six years the debate over the keystone ex-x pipeline has dominateed beltway politics and for what. canada has four major pipelines from alberta, delivering crude to u.s. markets. that does not include a slew of secondary pipelines. >> this is . >> why does the keystone
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xl sending oil from canada to oil refineries. a big reason is money. the big money comes from energy. oil and gas companies work four times as hard to lobby congress when it comes to keystone. and canada shell out $1.000000 in lobbying efforts in 2013. that's about 24% more than it spent the year before. three of the top four lobbying represent energy producers. the only link . politicians on both sides have taken note. but particular. >> i in gulf states where oil refineryies represent big business. >> you're crashing your heads, what do they mean pipeline
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>> the price of oil david shuster, some people are asking, this price of oil, does it take a little steam out of the republican argument, but it really wasn't about the price of oil. >> no, this is paying back your campaign contributors, and so many of these knowledge lobbyists are told, hey, we'll get a vote. they were never promised by members of the house or senate we're going to have an enough votes to avoid a presidential veto, and it does not appear that they're going to be able to get 67. still by simply saying it through, all these politicians can say back to their lobbyists we did what we said we were going to do. we got you a vote. >> when the president vetoes
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this, there was a time a year ago that we weren't sure , at this point is it dead? >> there have been a couple of things held up. there is an environmental impact review that should look at what they recommend and what the administration ultimately recommends. but as far as this administration, yes, it's going to be dead. on monday, the day before, there was josh earnest who was asked about a potential veto. he said i'm not in position to say. on tuesday when all the headlines are supposed to be the new republican senate, here they are, here is the white house stealing the thunder with the headline we're going to veto keystone. >> but you weren't surprised by that. the timing was interesting. they did install some of the winds from the sails of republicans.
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>> not a surprise. and the president telegraphed . >> a lot of people saw this coming. again, this is a battle right now between mitch mcconnell and president obama who are trying to feel each other out, and they're hoping to convince it back down. the president saying no, i'm standing firm. >> bus the president say it's going to veto legislation mean that there is no chance that the president will approve the keystone pipeline. if it comes through at some other point? >> remember with the festival welfare reform. there was the proposal that was crafted that the president thought, okay, i can sign this. there is that possibility that maybe in some fashion it gets rewritten.
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right now there is no chance that they will rewrite the legislation. if the president wants to go down, and if democrats want to go down, 59% of approval, and you're talking about approval from blue states that will determine the next senate election in 2016. republicans want democrats to have to take a vote on this. >> there has been some dishonesty on both sides of this argument from the republican side oh to the number of jobs. they were talking 20,000 jobs at one point. these are official numbers. transcanada was not forthcoming. most people have figured out that pipelines run themselves. on the other side, all this extra oil is moving around the country on rails now. we've seen at least one town in québec go up in flames, and tens of people killed in that. so the environmental argument, oil, is hard to transport. are rails more dangerous
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dangerous than pipelines, etc. >> that's where environmentalists have to be careful. if they stop at the pipeline as you mentioned, the obama administration has not been able to do a good job convincing congress to tighten the regulations on shipping and transportation. if canada wants to send it somewhere, they have an alternative, and that's where environmentals will have a tough time. >> thank you for a good job. most of us are celebrating lower oil prices. cheap for fill up the car, cheaper to heat up the home. but there is a down side, and we'll bring that you story next.
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>> lower oil prices
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>> sinking oil prices are amounting to a surprise tax break for drivers. the steep drop in gas prices saved american consumers $14 billion last year. but it's been equally surprising to states like alaska relying on a strong energy market. >> i would say a general mood we've had a very sobering wake-up call, and we faced very significant choices. >> action's governor has already halted six spending projects and asked the about the projects. >> it's significant. 90% of the state's general fund revenue come from oil and gas severance taxes.
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the state doesn't have a sales tax or personal income tax that help mitigate from the oil tax gasses. >> alaska stands to be hurt the most by dropping oil prices and is among eight states that will see strains ton their budget. in louisiana, it's estimateed that that for every $1 drop in gas prices there is a $12 million drop in the fund. economists say oil and gas is one of the major drivers of the texas economy. when you have oil prices, it will affect our economy, and we will lose jobs. but it doesn't mean we're going to go into negative territory. >> in texas 140,000 jobs could
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potentially be lost in the next year. that's according to an economist at the federal re serve bank. but one thing that remains unclear is how much the losses will be upset by consumers who now will have more money to spend and a boost to the economy. >> so falling oil prices with a lot more at stake. according to the research team over at clear view energy partners. we produced oil as we're producing now. we did have oil prices much lower than they are today. $47 is pretty low, but the fact is we've had oil in the last 15 years at under $15. the fact that we were alive and
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vibrant then, why is it the end of the world now? >> well, i think that in part what you're seeing is contributing more to our own production, and that has economy. you have, as mentioned in the segment before, you have orders for pipelines, even information television to put people out in the field now. you have more and more of the basics of designing construction all together. those are all receiving taxes. >> you know, we don't tell people that being a software engineer will get you a job anywhere, but the highest paying
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job in america right out of school is petrochemical engineer to your point. we've created an economy. i think back to the text bubble. we created an economy. it's so good to us that we built this economy that when the bubble came down we lost jobs. we've enjoyed this energy bubble. what is your sense of where this goes? what number has to be in front of the barrel of oil for this energy--i don't want to call it a bubble. for this energy boom to continue? >> ali, as you know, we don't do a lot of price forecasting, but the thing that is important here that markets react, and they often overshoot the preferred comfort zones that people have. what you see is when you have great--when you have high oil prices the national market response is larger production, and then it seems that there is an awful lot and you're drowning in it, and then it resettles.
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is this going to be a five-year phenomenon? or a six-month phenomenon? that's what we're trying to feel out now. opec plays a big role in that because they will trim their production because they want to see prices change. we're all in this position of trying to feel out where the new bottom is now that america is a larger producer. >> when you look at--the situation with opec is interesting. venezuela gets a lot of its federal budget from oil. they're really suffering and they would really like opec to cut back. russia gets it's money from oil. it's a big part of its economy. this could bring russia to its knees over the fight in ukraine. saudi arabia and the gulf states can outlast this for a little while. they can last with lower oil prices, but so can america. this does hurt jobs and it cut effect the benefits that you're talking about.
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but in the end america can exist with lower oil prices. >> oh, heavens yes. the economic benefit is not hugely, that's just the way our economy works. diversify. yes, we've had a great b
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