francois hollande. >> we'll ever much more with the al jazeera news hour. just stay with us. that. >> yes hello welcome to the news hour and our extended coverage of those marchs in france. i'm here in doha. coming up over the next 60 minutes, hundreds of thousands of people are on the streets of france to show that they are united despite three days of terror. >> dozens of world leaders are also there showing support from europe to africa, the middle east and the americas. >> a simple message the pen is mighteer than the sword. the crowd honoring the
cartoonists killed at charlie hebdo magazine opinion. >> hundreds of thousands of french people are marching on the streets of paris led by president hollande and dozens of world leaders. there they are all there to show he france is united and its ideals intact. they say they will not be intimidated despite three days of violence. many are waving signs in solidarity with the satirical magazine which was attacked object wednesday. 12 people were killed during that attack approximate israel's leader is also there. the other target of course was a jewish supermarket in paris in which four were killed. dozens of world leaders presence in paris at the front of that march, it's very stop and start at the moment, leaders speaking to people, families of victims caught up in the violence moving some three kilometers through
paris in that march of unity and solidarity. that let's bring in jacki roland live in paris. you have a vantage over the crowd. what are you seeing? >> i'm seeing place de la republique packed to capacity, so much so, that the crowd is spilling into the side streets. this crowd has been swelling gradually for many hours now since the morning and this really is the peek of what we're going to see in place de la republique because at the head of the procession, we can see the leaders of france and also the families of the victims and people who were injured in those attacks but survived are starting to move forward now leading the march. that they're walking slowly and shelly leading the procession from place de la republique to place de la nation.
obviously it will take a very long time for these people, 100,000 in the square, we can't see how far the crowd stretches toward the side streets but they will be walking making that procession from here to place de la nation. the police ever marked offer two distinct routes, not quite parallel but two routes marchers can take. while there's obviously a security risk with the large gathering of world leaders and police officers protecting them and helicopters and snipers on the roof to say there's also the danger that there could be some kind of an accident with hundreds of thousands of people trying to pass down streets. that's why they've opened up two separate routes to relieve the pressure relieve the crowding as people make their way to place de la nation, which is where this marsh will end. >> thank you for that.
let's bring in tim friend, who is among the crowd and is seeing that crowd swelling in numbers throughout the day. tim, what's the mood there like? >> well, it's one of solidarity, obviously and i was saying earlier, the worry of recent days after these attacks seems to have gone away for the moment and this march, of course about world leaders coming together is also about people who have come from their communities across france some from abroad. we've been speaking to them over the last few hours. let's talk to some more, and ask them why they've come, and taking pot luck here. why have you come? >> i am from paris. >> but why -- >> why? the importance, the liberty of expression. yeah. >> simple as that. >> yeah, yeah, it is important no? >> what's happening here is that
people have been meeting each other en route who haven't met before. why are you here? why is it important for you to demonstrate? >> for liberty. it's for liberty. i'm here for liberty of the press. >> why do you think that's important? >> why? because it's the republic of france and the value. >> obviously your partner holding up your sign. can you speak english? >> i think religions don't have anything to do in our life. it's personal. >> i'm here for liberty, also for unity. we must say we are all french,
and we vow to -- instead of our difference, we are all french and defend our values. >> can i visit ask you, there have been these attacks recently obviously, that's prompted this, and some people have said it's amazing that people have come out when the threat to some extent still exists. that i mean, are you at all trepidatious, are you at all worried about further threat. >> further threat. >> yeah. >> there's also further threat, but it's near, near in paris and it's shocking, shocking, more shocking than any other threat. >> ok. that thank you very much. all of you for talking to us. >> i am talking. >> yes ok. >> well, there are some of the
voices you are hearing there. i may have lost communication with you for the moment, but if you can still hear me, back to you. >> tim there with the crowd. we'll be back with you later on approximate thank you very much indeed for that. of course marchs not just going on in paris. that there are also marchs in several places around the world including sydney and tokyo, new york, even in gaza. let's go to the city of marseille in france. tell us what's happening there and what the mood there is. that. >> well, like you've been mentioning really, people marching. it's a show of solidarity, defiance really, of condemnation of the terror attacks. this is what people here have been tell us. marseille is france's second largest city. it is also were you ever its motor multi-cultural and
diversities, but really, beneath these slogans of solidarity, unity, there's an underlying feeling here of distrust, really. we've been talking to people here and what thief been saying is what we're worried about is whether or not communities can actually live side by side after the recent attacks in paris. we saw -- we met people from the muslim community. there is a very large muslim population here. that they said it's a very sad situation, because we feel people are looking upon us as if we were responsible for this. we were not responsible for this. we condemn this. but at the same time, they also blame policies of the government saying that if you don't improve the lives of the muslim youth it gives them ground to be recruited by extremists. that we met members of the jewish community saying i am charlie, i am a policeman and i
am jew. we asked them why. they say we feel we were targeted during the hostage taking situation at the gorgery store. we have been targeted in the past and now we feel this is just the beginning. we are thinking about leaving. you can see there's underlying tensions between the different communities, even though the slogan today is unity and solidarity. >> thank you for that. several hundred thousand people in the card, it is a march that was said to be attracting up to a million people. you can see the place de la republique absolutely jam-packed with people there. jacki, you were talking about a little bit about security earlier. what can you see in terms of a
security presence? >> well, for me, the security presence is most apparent in terms of what i can hear, and that is there have been regular helicopter surveillance circling the square, particularly around the time that the leaders arrived to lead the procession. we've been told apparently five november 000 police and army officers are on the streets of paris today, more than 2,000 of them patrolling the route of the march. there are snipers on the rooftops looking down, trying to spot potential threats and eyes on the ground, as well. there are a number of plain-clothed officers mingling with the crowd trying to pick up threats or indications from the ground and also, of course, personal security around the world leaders themselves at the
front of the procession. >> a lot of talk today about unity, solidarity, speaking of the issue of young muslims feeling alienated. people we've been speaking to on the crowds talking about how it was important to make apart from the muslim community feel more integrated into society but this has been a problem for a while with french society. >> it's very difficult for me to hear what you're asking, because the whole telephone communications are saturated with so many people here. it's one of the rallying calls one of the motives behind this march, at a time when these
attacks happen, inevitably there were all sorts of reaction, confusion, initially, no one knew who the attackers were or motives they might have, so there was confusion, people jumping to conclusions making allegations and it's always dangerous to somehow try to equate or connect attackers to a group who they might be perceived to re. that is being strongly resisted here. demonstrators have a sign saying i am a muslim, i am not a terrorist. so very much society the message being that no matter who you are no matter what religion you might practice, make you're an atheist and don't practice any religion, male or female, whether born in france, parents or grand parents immigrated to france if you are french, if
you he is shouse youespouse the values of therepublic. the values of france, freedom equality and fraternity. that freedom obviously very much affected by the question of freedom of speech, which people see was under attack when those gunmen killed the cartoonists at charlie hebdo. they are all equal in france, no matter where you come from, you are a french citizen and a part of this. fraternity, as well, poignantly symbolized by the fellowship, the fraternity between the
families of the different victims, people who have no connection and now are connected by a very sad event that they have in common, the families of those journalists and cartoonists who were killed at the newspaper. the families that the police officers including one muslim police officer shot dead by the attackers outside the offices of charlie hebdo, also the family of the police woman killed in the south of paris thursday and of course the families of those people who happened to be shopping at the jewish supermarket friday when hostages were taken there and people killed. these families as i said who a week ago had nothing to do you with each other are now walking at the head of the procession hand-in-hand sharing the loss. all human beings understand what it's like to lose a loved one. as well, the world leaders and politicians walking with linked arms, as well.
a tacit understanding that although these attacks had in france, they could equally well have happened in another city in another country. >> jacki the crowd has been chanting something. let's just listen to the noise of the crowd for a second. >> the crowds chance various different slogans. one that has become very familiar in recent days, "i am charlie," the idea of people identifying themselves with that newspaper, which is ironic, because it was not a mass circulation magazine. many while deplore the attacks and bloodshed actually say i wasn't subscribed to charlie hebdo. i didn't read it. that i thought the caricatures were in poor taste but what people are saying here is the idea of aligning themselves with the right for any individual
person in france to freely express their opinions, the idea that express is free, that the media should be free and that no one should feel cowed into silence by someone threatening them with physical violence. when we say that, also other slogans are coming out like in honor of that muslim police officer killed outside the offices of charlie hebdo. these slogans are all saying that ordinary people, they are all chanting now "charlie he." >> let's listen to it, jacki. >> they all share in the value of freedom. that. [ crowd chanting "charlie." [."]
>> showing solidarity, as you say with not just the victims of charlie hebdo but also the 17 people killed and police officers killed, the attack on the jewish kosher store and that's really what this rally is all about. >> when you hear people chanting "charlie," they could be as well chanting liberty. on this square, people in fact somehow kind of join the two words together and were shouting charlie liberty. they're really in a symbolic way, calling out liberty freedom, freedom which is of course one of the fundamental principles of the french statement, the way that people asserting now the values that the french republic on the point
of this demonstration being that despite the violent attack that struck different sections of the community, the press the jewish community, the police force people remain united and say those french values will remain standing with their heads held high and they will not be silenced or oppressed as a result of the violent actions of three men. >> jacki, for the moment, thank thank you very much indeed for that. let's take a look at the scene on the ground. our man in the crowd is tim friend and tim jacki was talks about how the shootings on charlie hebdo really connected people and certainly weaver seen the sweep of this feeling of solidarity and unity crossing all generations all boundaries there today. >> it's amazing.
simply marching part me, they are shouting who are you? i am charlie, charlie hebdo, of course. the charlie hebdo, i am charlie showing gab's taken a few forms today, but that's the latest one as they come part me. president hollande will march the entire route of this march the other word leaders i'm told will peel or slightly earlier because of security concerns, because the security services obviously are stretched and perhaps they felt that that was an unnecessary risk for all the world leaders to do the entire route, but it's emotionally charged, of course. president hollande added to that by saying paris is the capitol of the word today. this isn't just about world leaders, it's about people who come from all over the place to march, some from paris itself, others from other parts of france others from other parts
of the world who were here anyway but felt it was very important to come out and express solidarity approximate we can talk to some more people. it's a question i've asked all day, but an important one. why are you here? >> i think as a french citizen it is our duty to show to the world that we are supporting -- we are against terrorism and we are going to fight and we france is a country of freedom. >> you'd all agree i know. >> yes yes. >> how do you achieve it? there are differences in communities and mostly people get along and there is peace but every now and then, violence flares up. how can that be prevented in the future? >> i think it is important--we have a lot of work to population
between for build a future more -- with more liberty. liberty for all the people. i think we feel -- >> this is a beginning you're saying because different nationalities are here today but there's an awful lot of details to work out. >> yeah, but we are for me, we are here because love is much stronger than hate, that's why we are here approximate love is always stronger than hate. >> there are word leaders here today, 40, 50 of them. it's not always you can say 40 or 50, i'm not sure at the moment but they're here. what would be your message to them? >> a really bad example is what happened a few days ago. we're never going to forget.
we need to work all together and join and i'm quite and pretty sure we're bog to find an answer in the future and what happened is not going to happen anymore. >> ok. i'm going to let you join the march. thanks for talking to us. yet more voices from the crowd. what struck me is how heartfelt this all is. they are sincere of course in their emotions. when you ask them how do you achieve this, then of course, the detail gets more difficult to address as always, but i think what they're all keen to say is at least this is a beginning. >> it's really interesting that there's such a struck feeling of course about taking a stand against what they call terrorism, extremism these kind of attacks. was there a lot of sympathy for muslim communities tim some of whom are now feeling the
backlash from what happened last week? >> yes, and that, i think each community here is represented by the public marching has express that had sympathy with each other. we've spoke to a short while ago, a muslim family come down from the north of paris a father with his young son on his shoulders, telling me how his young son thought war had broken out when he saw those television pictures last week. he had to reassure him and one of the ways he thought it was important to reassure him was to come here today and join the march, to show him that war has not broken out because the vast majority for the vast majority of the time get along perfectly well as this march has
demonstrated it's peaceful. there has been no trouble so far and i'm sure that mood will prevail. as dreadful events can they've galvanized people into realizing that you can't take things for granted. if you don't rehe assert them, your rights and feelings in general unity once in a while they can diminish and there are people out there who per has have an interest in diminishing that ethos approximate perhaps they march here determined that that can't happen. >> that march unity rally in paris with, going from the place de la republique to the place de la nation. there were two routes that the march is taking, both starting
place de la republique in the heart of the french capitol. one series west and makes its way to the place de la nation, that's the end point for both. they'll meet the other march taking the direct route passing through voltare boulevard i disagree he with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it, the french fill loss as her said. i'm joined in the studio now by an assistant professor at qatar university here in doha. he's been joining us throughout the day as this march the preparations for this march and the march going on. it's interesting that there's been a lot of talk today about
integration, about the alienation that a lot of young muslims and there is a sizeable portion of them in france, the alienation they feel. why is it such a problem in a country which is a democracy which has a welfare state which has social values? >> there has been a slowly growing wrist between the different communities but far away from the communities you have in north america or other countries, almost everyone lives together in the same neighborhoods. how do you integrate a society? this is moments like this that you ask. we see the sheer volume of the march. this is just one out of general marchs in france every day. every single city and village is having a march at the same time, organizing and seeing neighbors that didn't talk a lot to each other, maybe they had petty arguments. now something that united them
is stronger. i've done my fair share of different marchs in the past. i made a lot of friends from different communities and religion. what we are seeing here is a foundation act of the new generation of france, the new generation of people who march for the first time. this is not one party calling for a specific, you know, march against another party. not something a demand for economic policy or higher are wages. it is something that is around the values of being a french citizen, it's not a question of blood or history. >> shouldn't france have done something earlier? last year 700 french nationals left to go and fight in syria and we're seeing the recent attacks. this is not a new problem. is front doing enough through its domestic policies that make these people feel part of french
society? >> you can always do better. the 700 fighters going to syria is similar to other countries. it's simpler from europe to go to syria than it is from the united states, if you don't mind. the issue, of course, there's always the people that feel left onon the side of the road to be a victim of pro that began da, of communication, of very charismatic fundamentalist. before it used to be anarchy. again, i want to strengthen on the side that the institution of france of solid that we do have almost free education.
everyone can go to university and ever a quality education. we have a welfare state pay a higher level of taxes than our countries in europe, but on the other hand, have support for pregnancy, for large families, support for people who do not have access to food or work for a long time, so unemployment benefits are longer, so you do have a safety net for different could you have population. the problem is the economic crisis has lasted longer than others. that when you arrive at the end of the unemployment benefits, then you're out on the streets. even the brother of one of the terrorists was a homeless person that he went by himself to the police to explain what was going on, so you can see that some people are falling out of the well being and that's the risk here. >> thank you for that. we'll be coming back to you i'm
sure throughout the day. remy was mentioning there that there are marchs all over france paris of course the biggest, but not the only one by any means. let's take to you france's second largest city marseille. deina khodr is there for us. that what is taking part there as people take part in the solidarity rally? >> we've been walking here with the people. that they are chanting "charlie." the show of solidarity, unity particularly with the victims of the deadly violence week in paris, show solidarity on the surface, but we've been talking to people, and people are worried. first of all they're worried that they're going to see more attacks, that last week's violence will not be the last. it's just the beginning. they have little faith in the
authorities. a few women told us our officials have been telling us don't worry the security situation is under control yes we see a heavy security presence on the street, clearly visible presence but people feel they won't be able to prevent more attacks. some told us that our enemy is within and here in the south of france this is considered really to be a place where the far right as of late has gained popularity. we've been talking to people here and they have been telling us that the far right is going to capitalize on this, because people feel that they may have the solution. they do not believe that the authorities will be able to solve this problem to win this fight, so a lot of fear, anxiety, a lot of pressure that on the surfaces, you can see people are united and condemning the attacks and showing
solidarity with the 60s. >> the muslim communities in marseille, are they taking part in the march? how are they feeling? >> i'm sorry you'll have to repeat the question. it's very loud here. >> i get that. i gather that it is extremely loud where you are. i was asking whether you had seen any members of the muslim community on the march and how they are feeling. >> well, there is a large muslim population in marseille. we have seen some. i won't say that a lot of people have turned out. we have seen some, and some of them are even holding placards saying i am charlie, i am muslim, i am a policeman. we've seen jews do the same thing approximate there is a sizeable jewish president obama community here, as well. we've spoken to both sides. that some muslims have told us
that they are sad because there have been all the division that. some people told me the tackers wanted to create -- increase is islamaphobia which will give the ground or potential for more recruits on the ground. on the other side of the divide, we've been speaking to jews here saying we were targeted during the hostage-taking crisis at the grocery store. we have been targeted and feel we will again. one jewish woman told us i would like to see more muslims out on the street. you can see there is a lot of tension. that again, i will repeat on the surface, you see solidarity, but after talking to people, you
clearly understand how there are divisions, and some people even asking, you know, how are communities going to come together after these attacks. >> thank you very much indeed for are that. i want to pick you up one point talking about how there was a fear that right wing politicians will be capitalizing on what happened and already we are seeing one saying she wants the end of the visa free zone and suspects stripped of their citizenship and she wants the death penalty to come back. are we going to see that kind of backlash to the right? >> well, it's interesting to look at the fact that you had demonstrations in marseille and the one in paris. the situation in france is different depending on the different regions especially because of, you know, commonality, organized crime and over the last 10 years develop
in marseille specifically. in those region, past the threshold, more people leaning toward the national. in paris the risk is lesser. there is an attempt from marie la pen and her father trying to build upon the community wrist and security, even the very same day of the attacks there was a tweet from her saying keep calm. there is plenty of controversy after that tweet. continuing with the issues, just going to capitalize on it. it's important to see all those people turn out to the streets and the elections afterwards to show that what united states the french society is bigger than the different rifts and different contentions and those trying to build on it for the
personal began. >> president hollande has been speaking about war. a war against who? >> i'm not sure that you should put it on the same level. it's a war against -- it's to show authority. maybe it was an error by president hollande, maybe overstating in different words wants to show that he is in control. so far the wow it should have been managed and without any error, he wants to show to the domestic president obamalation that he's in control that he's not afraid to use protection to synagogs and mosques.
one of the ways to portray the possibilities of immigrants to succeed in that country the personality of prime minister valls, it shows that it's not only where you ever the king of france in the 18 art century just trying to find the right process to integrate better. maybe you should reinvest in education, more professors, more school teachers. the rust of the policies would be long term. it's nothing new. the issues are worsening and
weaver seen the effects now. if you want to tackle those issues you can't do it by a little makeup on the top of it. you need to readdress it in depth through more education and social services and maybe showing that there's ways of success for the different immigrants and the minorities in the country. >> some interesting points there. thank you very much indeed for the moment. let's go back to jacki roland, overlooking the crowd. give us a sense of the scale of what you're seeing and also, i have to say, it's not looking like a lot of marching's going on. you the looks like one massive gathering. >> yes indeed. in terms of scale well over 100,000 people, i would say. it's not just the people in the square but the crowd stretches beyond down all the various side streets and i don't see however it goes, because of buildings and trees and things that get in
the way. you're quite right it seems more of a demonstration than a marv although we have seen movement at the head of the march, because we have seen the leaders slowly marching forward. we saw the families of the victims of the attacks and survivors of the attacks walking hand-in-hand again at the front of the column. the rest of the people gathered in the square don't seem to be going anywhere. it could be because there is such a huge number of people. by acknowledge large people are in the square. that if there is movement, it's just people moving about milling about if you like in the square itself. that there is still a very strong atmosphere here, people chanting theme cheering and claying, so we're just waiting really, to see at and when this turns from a demo he into a
march. >> jacki tell us about the world leaders there some 40 of them to show solidarity with france. is there an irony that some of the representatives are from countries like israel and palestinian, ukraine and russia, where unity is in short supply? >> yes i think that there are world leaders ministers, prime ministers, heads of security who have come to march alongside french leaders in order to show security and also that this is not a threat only to france. one of the main concerns is there shouldn't be anyone trying to score political points out of the tragic events that have taken place in france and
certainly among the political parties themselves, the main parties is saying now is a time for national unity and not for political points scoring however, there are people here who are concerned about the presence of benjamin netanyahu a man who many people, certainly many of france's muslims would accuse of war crimes against palestinians in gaza, and other israel politicians some question whether here to show solidarity with the french people or even the jewish community in france or whether they've got an eye for their own elections taking place in a couple months' time in israel and thinking that this might play well with the electorate at home. certainly these kinds of physician, people questions their motives. after all this is a march about unity and figures who tend to
divide opinions for tend to provoke strong opinions of not necessarily adding to the atmosphere of unity. >> juke key thanks very much indeed for that. a crowd of hundreds of thousands, up to a million people joined by more than 40 world leaders starting a march through paris to rally for unity and the freedom of expression, and also to honor the memories of the 17 victims of three days of terrorist attacks last week in france. forty world leaders who began the march at the head of the column arm in arm-in-arm, a long line of world leaders, foreign ministers, heads of security joining the french president francois hollande.
you can see angela merkel on his left, also that in front line, benjamin netanyahu mahmoud abbas, david cameron and from the eu commission, all showing unity on this day in paris. the marchers of course want to support french values, but how are those defined? let's take a look at the constitution. we can see france's national motto, liberty equality and fraternity. the first two have their or begins in the 1789 revolution. also included in the constitution in 1958. there's also the 1905 law separating religion and state. this principle was applied in 2004 when france prohibited any clothing of religious worship to
be worn in public. every citizen may accordingly speak, write and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom defined by law. the press law proclaimed freedom of the press, later amended to guard against defamation, slander and incitement to hate crimes. ladies welcome to the program. some important issues being debated. catherine, if i can start with you, a study released a year ago shows that 63% of french voters think islam isn't compatible with the values of french society approximate what do you make of that? is that separating religion and
state, freedom of speech? >> no, they're mixing up what we're trying today not to mix up followers of a religion and ideology. that's what they are mixing up. the media has a responsibility in that. we have to be extremely careful with those figures indeed, 63% is a lot and it might scare people worldwide thinking being a muslim in france is something that is extremely difficult and that you will be discriminated against. immigration and people who come -- >> reaction to the fact that according to the study the majority of french voters say islam isn't compatible with values of french society. another study found that seven out of 10 french voters believe that parts of the immigrant community ever failed to integrate into france. >> these statistics are quite
disturbing indeed, but they certainly reflect the political mood in france. one in five persons in france that votes for the national front, which is not a fringe party in france, it's a far right political party but very much mainstream in the political spectrum in france. >> this creates an environment of an eased farce communities are concerned not just muslims but minority groups. >> what about government policies, what about government dollistic policies. when we talk about liberty and equality and you have to square
that, for example the government ban on the face veal in 2011 in public places, is that not an attack on liberty? >> well, very much so. >> yes indeed. >> a series of -- i will get your response, catherine in a moment. go ahead. >> there has certainly been that a series of legislation restricting the freedoms of the muslim population unfrance, ranging from a ban on the burqa restrictions on muslims who regularly ever to pray on the street because of lack of mosques, but it has to be said, as well, that muslims in france, especially young men of north african background experience discrimination on the routine basis from lack of opportunity you when it comes to education to employment, housing and
indeed expression of their religious belief. that there's a climate if you like which is conducive to stigmatizing this community and indeed marginalizing it, and discourses emerging doesn't help. is one view, islam is a threat to the stability of the country and she speaks about the islamization of france and calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty. >> >> there are policies passed in france making some feel ice
light. >> we have to be very careful. that this is a social problem. it's not a religious problem. it's a social problem because the minority which is about 5 million people who come from a muslim descent muslim themselves and they are being discriminated against. every mike grant and their children. i would be wary not to use the word integration. those young people are french. they are integrated in the sense that this is their nationality. that this is where they've been brought up. now, their multiple identity is it that it is difficult to be accepted in france and it is something true. it hasn't avoided terrorist attacks in london, in england where the situation is different, or it's mournty that one should 10 the multiple identity of the other. in france, it is difficult to be several things taillight. this is a real problem.
you have to consider that in france in general and the fact we have a charlie hebdo in france shows it as well, it is very difficult to show your beliefs, what we call ostensibly, meaning to show it visibly. it can be for christian muslims, jews, buddhist, whatever. in france, it is considered at you want to force the other one to abide by your law and follow your religious laws or belief. this is in this context that a 2004 ban on islamic head scarf at school was voted and in this context that in 2012, the ban on the -- has also been voted. i'm not saying it's a good thing. i think it sends the wrong signal to the people that we want to welcome into french
society. in that sense, it is a mistake and every time i'm on the air with al jazeera and people coming from other country tell us this is a lack of freedom. the big mistake of that law is it is not a lack of freedom, i don't think it is. only 200 girls were cob served, like 200 women were concerned about the ban -- >> if they feel -- >> those who feel they have to be vealed to be muslim. in just want to say that. it ma ha made heroes of girls who think they have to be veiled to be good muslims. this is a mistake to make those young girls and men feel they are part of the french country. that. >> today we are seeing this huge rally, huge numbers of people.
do you feel anything is going to change? >> i very much think this is an extraordinary show of display not just for france, but for france to show the world that it stands united against what happened in france and certainly to show solidarity for the victims of the atrocity. i think beyond the message about the defense of free speech, the overwhelming concern and the more fundamental concern at the heart of this demonstration is one of security and indeed, the fight against terrorism. that's why we are seeing word leaders congregating in the french capitol because of an acknowledgment that terrorism is indeed a threat. of course this was a major attack that we haven't seen the scale of in decades in france. there will have to be practical
measures put in place by the french government to ensure safety and security for all. this is very important symbolic demonstration, but of course this will ever to be translated into political action. >> an important symbolic rally but is it going to be translated into policy, do you think? >> we worry there will be more security measures. after the 2001 terror attacks in the united states, we know civilians have been put in action the french are very much against this. they have shown it, said it. we have lots of report in america, saying how did they react. we know how they did and we don't agree with that. let's see how the government is going to do it. as we said at the beginning of this discussion, it's not only an issue of security.
do we want military in the street stand in the street every minute, our telephones tapped or do we he want to try to live together better? i do hoe, i am not sure that this kind of rally that all that we've heard in the last three days will make relationship between different people that make this country but not only this country i think this is a westerly a worldwide issue to be more tolerant approximate let's hope so. it doesn't seem to be the way the world is going but maybe this terror attack will have at least brought back and that will be a failure for the terrorists that this is what's going to happen we open our ears, hearts and talk together. >> i agree with you more tolerance always a good thing. ladies, thank you very much indeed for joining the discussion.
tim friend is somewhere down there in the crowd of people, the flags being waved posters held. we were talking about how there is a hope that this rally the show of unity will lead to more tolerance and understanding. is that the kind of view you are getting from the people on the streets? >> absolutely. that message has come through to me he 100%, and well just look for a moment at the shot we've got here of the central monument in the place de la republique. flags of all nations you there. they climbed way up on to the statue and i think the message is pretty graphically illustrated there and reflected at ground level. let's come down to the ground.
we've got some more people to talk to. can i start with you? >> yes. >> because you represent jewish students. >> right. >> i mean it's obvious why you're here, but -- and they were asking me if they thought the message had got across. it clearly has. deissues remain. >> yeah, deep issues are still remaining anti-semitism is not a new fact. we did you not learn about it two days ago but now we can talk about it altogether, and also, we were already start to go speak about this meeting when there was charlie hebdo and the subject of terrorism is killing us killing france and also making a lot of -- jewish people. >> people ever said this is a
beginning. that people with disparate points of view, but at least they're talking to each other. it's important to continue that dialogue isn't it? >> what we need tod, we are not going to stop terrorists, because we are not enough. we need education. we need also to have dialogue. when in 2011, the muslim organizations tried to make a jen--journey to charlie hebdo. they said it was good, because they create a dialogue, because both of the people were coming here. >> i'm taking pot luck here, really because people are turning up to talk to us. are you able to give your point of view and why you're here? >> i live in paris and it was a
so touching, what happened here, and we are here to support liberty to talk, but also what my friend has said, we need to have a dialogue between faiths and religions. >> briefly can i ask you would you agree with that? >> i agree and i believe in dialogue between everybody and i'm for the freedom and for the respect of every -- each other. >> that's a pretty succinct message. thank you very much. that's the message we've been getting all day here, really, dialogue unity solidarity. >> till, thank you very much indeed for that. tim friend down amongst the crowd there hundreds of thousands of people on what has
been billed as a march of unity and solidarity. as you can see from that picture there, not a lot of marching going on, a lot of people gathered together in a big show of support after three days of terror, 17 people killed, abattack on charlie hebdo satirical magazine, and then later at a jewish kosher store in a paris suburb. that three days of terror sending shockwaves through paris society, sparking a huge debate about muslim communities and feelings of isolation and integration but also about freedom of speech, whether it is always absolute. more than 40 world leaders also joining that march through paris, and we will be following