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>> hello there. hundreds of thousands of french people are marching on the streets of paris led by president hollande and dozens of world leaders. they're there to show that france is united, it's ideals jib tact approximate they say they will not be intimidated despite three days of violence. many are waving signs in solidarity for the satirical magazine attacked wednesday, 12 killed during the attack. that israel's leader is also there, the other target a jewish supermarket in paris.
>> there are other marchs taking place across france. marching some three kilometers from the place de la republique to the place de la nation to honor those victims who died in those attacks. families of the victims also there. many weeping embracing, also meeting some of the world leaders who are at the front of that march. jacki roland joins me live now from paris. jacki, those shouts, that's solidarity not just for the magazine i guess but for the principle of freedom of speech and freedom of opinion and the values of france. that
numbers. organizers and police have been monitoring and tries to protect the event they're talking about 1.5 million people who are participating. it gives you an idea how the french people would come out and attend these rallies. attending these marchs to reaffirm their commitment to the values of the french republic. >> yacjacky, thank you so much. jacky roland taking part in this rally in paris alone.
in marchs around france another million people showing the strength of feeling. the rallies are one of unity staying together, and having this united front. >> yes and we can see at the central monument. we see some have climbed up there at great risk, and some have gone higher still, perched on the head of the figure of the statue and they've been leading
chants amongst the crowd for hours now. this march is so huge that not everyone i suspect is going to manage to reach the destin incarceration. some might never leave the depasture point. dusk is starting to fall, but the partial in which they're using to express their points of view is undiminished. that struck me as we interviewed people in the crowd. how ready they were to tell us about their thoughts. this may be a chance to talk to a couple of more of them that's a pretty spectacular charlie hebdo message you're giving. what iswhy are you here? >> i grew up here, and i'm here today to stand united with
everyone in paris to show the world that we are not afraid and to send a strong message of freedom of speech, freedom of thought, tolerance and we won't give up. >> that was expressed very clearly. how do you achieve that, and what do you think has gone wrong that has prompted this demonstration? >> you mean right now? what has gone wrong? the events of the last week or so we know that those people don't represent the majority, but clearly they represent a danger to what you've just been saying. >> yes there is a very actual danger in france. a tiny part of the population, and we're all aware of the danger but we are not afraid. the very purpose of this demonstration today we are not afraid. >> thank you very much for joining us. well that's the kind of
sentiment that we've been hearing all day long. and very eloquently put but many many people. >> thanks very much, indeed, tim friend at the place de la republic there. there are other solidarity marchs gatherings, demonstrations around the world. there are been people rallies in downtown sidney, where they had their own siege situation last month. a few hundred people gathered in tokyo, most of them residents of japan. there are also mostly french-speaking new yorkers braving the very, very cold temperatures at a rally in washington square park. also several rallies in cities and towns in france. marseille is france's
second-largest city. dana, this is the south of france and you've been saying a big show of support there. >> yes there is a large gathering, a large show of solidarity condemn condemning the violence were last week. today was about the unity to stick together and overcome this. we talked to a lot of people here and people are in shock. they're afraid, and they believe this could just be the beginning. this is not going to be an one-off attack. there could be further attacks. we've heard french officials say time and time again over the past few days about the security measures they've been taking. you see the police strength on the streets but people are not comfortable.
some of them even told us that the enemy is within. what are they talking about? border control. this is not going to change anything. the attackers were born and raised in our country. people are in shock. they're afraid that this could be just the start. >> politically right-wing parties have quite a bit of strength in marseille. is there also fear or an expectation that they're going to use the situation for their own end? >> it seemed that they had capitalized as. they've gained popularity in the south of france. they said, yes the party will become more popular because we don't feel that the party has an solution. this party is talking about tightening immigration and equateing immigration to
radicalism. one woman said, i never used to be a racist, and now i am. is this outrage and initial reaction that they saw here as people are shocked but there are divisions. there are underlying divisions here. there is a sizable muslim community here as well as a jewish community. we've seen people hold up signs saying i am a muslim. other people holding up signs saying i am a jew. they tell us, we feel people are looking upon us as if we're responsible. we feel alienated. we feel targeted. people are worried at the same time. a lot of worries if people are going to be able to come together. they've come together today but definitely in the weeks and months ahead. this is going to be an issue that they will have to address.
>> dana, thank you very much, indeed for that. dana in marseille there. the march in france is now said by organizers to have attracted up to 1.5 million marchers and a million in the frequence rest of france. we're waiting for police statistics it may differ from that but organizers saying 2.5 million people marching all around france. let's get to the two routes which the marchers are using. they're all starting in the same place. the place de la republiqeue and place de la nation is the end place there.
and let's speak to an assistant professor here in doha. remy, a lot of talk about unity and immigration. people are saying, okay, we're all together today. we've all come through a really horrific experience, and there is a sense of unity now, is it going to last. >> that's a good question. whether or not it's a couple of weeks or will we see changes and commitment to these coming values and stop putting the blame on one part of the population or the other. obviously one of the main priorities when you're talking about president hollande or the right-wing party is to address those issues and show that short-sighted issues right now does not make sense but leaving the eurozone there is no long- long-scale solutions.
terms of political--that's why it's so interesting to see one or two europeans like that so far in the crowd. that they the only way you can actually answer fundamentalism is not on a national level any more. we do not talk about national threat. even if those guys were born in paris, they were financed by other sources to go across borders very easily. you need cooperation between countries. marine le pen, for example nobody wanted to work with her. do not let her go with her popularist rhetoric and typically the fascist movement of the 1930s. we know what this leads to, and this will be the responsibility of françois hollande or a part
on the right to showcase it. and people are saying, yes i'm ready to commit to the values of france. i want to march. i believe in it. people will building at an integral level connecting with people that you may not connect with on a daily bases. maybe the jewish community or muslim community or whoever was fills the cliché and go on as the media is portraying. one of the past participant j mentioned how the media is responsible for making such a case about 200 women who wanted to wear the veil, it's important to know that the secular laws of france apply to every religion, and showing the just the minority. >> but there is a case there are
policies in place that make the muslim community feel marginalized. yes, freedom of speech. no one is kenaiing that. that is one value of the french society. but france like many countries is against hate speech. there was a case against charlie hebdo and said this is insulting, hatred and incitement and lost the case. when you get things like that also not being able to wear the veil in public, and often feeling as though that they're not getting the benefits, they're not seeing the social welfare that perhaps they should then they do feel isolated. >> you can wear the veil in public. you cannot wear it in schools.
>> sorry the niqab. >> there was a case of anti-sentimentism where they had to leave. it's really all reasonable. maybe catholicism is the most targeted by charlie hebdo because it's most present in france. but there is rule of law. every newspaper obey to their legal framework which is the french legal framework. i'm not familiar with the technical of the grand mosque of paris. >> but what i'm asking you i mean the muslim make up 8% of france. it's the biggest muslim community in europe. why then with all the things you're saying, practically free education, unemployment benefit for a year and a half.
they have the rule of law, it's a democracy. why, then, are they feeling like they're not part of french society. >> some of them, i should hasten to say some of them. >> there is an over all pessimism in france that the muslim feel that they're not integrated that they're losing purchasing power. people are saving money not investing. there is an overall feeling of being scared for the future and wanting to invest. and maybe seeing issues more black than they are. we should make a better effort of showing success stories. success stories from the muslim communities succeeding in art in companies succeeding in politics. maybe doing it more specifically in politics than media. but in terms of business entrepreneurs. you do have successful muslim community, very successful authors and artists that maybe should be put as role mod for
the population and show them that it is possible because then there is the tendency of saying, no it's too complicated. i just won't do it. >> you were talking about an international effort, not just domestic effort. 40 world leaders from around the world taking part in this march. they were at the front of the march arm in arm showing unity. françois hollande surrounded by leaders from all around the world, including benjamin netanyahu and mahmood abbas. does that give you hope, or is there hypocrisy going on there as well. >> i would not call it hypocrisy, but it shows you that the values that the march is about are universal values. they are not french values. the french do abide by them, but they are european values. >> when it comes freedom of speech the minister there is are hardly the great heroes of freedom of speech and free
speech. >> i would absolutely agree with you on that, but the idea is that you're trying to show that you do not want to have conflict overshadowing here. you're talking about poroshenko from ukraine you see them coming together on the question of freedom. so at least we have even in these cases we do have values of potential corporation and common understanding. also there are going to be issues but it's a way to progress, and other countries that are far from-- >> let's take the spirit in which it is intended, to show unity and solidarity with france france. >> remy, thank you very much, indeed for that. it was great to speak with you and we'll come back to you later on. so as we've been saying world leaders have joined the french
president, françois hollande for the unity rally in paris. other rallies taking place around france. you see some of the world leaders there angela merkel there, and let's get the bird's-eye view of all this. overlooking the crowd gathered at the place de la rupublique. give us a feeling of what you're seeing from your vantage point. >> the crowd is start to go thin out nowstarting to thin out.
>> they're due to make the walk from place de la republique to place de la nation. this was always to be a march rather than a stationary gathering, but they have been in strong voice throughout the afternoon the chants of je swis charlie and the national anthem that has been song in regular intervals. they've been calling out to the people in balconies to come down and join the crowd. it has been an extraordinary event so far. >> rory, earlier there was a meeting before the march started. leaders talking about security and how to prevent something like this again.
what are the main messages coming out of that. >> these are leaders from all over including the united states attorney general eric holder has come down to the march. they've been invited for this emergency meeting on sunday two reasons for them coming. one is show solidarity with france during this difficult time. and the other is to come up with a common respond to the problem that france has faced over the last week, this violence that has shocked the nation. there were a couple of things and main points that came out of it one maybe there were would be some kind of change to the information-sharing. the shengan zone is the area
inside europe where you don't have to show a passport, and you can go across national borders. someone arrives in italy, and they can go through the further furtherist corners of the schengen zone. they want to know where they might be. another security meeting that will be takes place in washington on february 18th. a couple of main things there. but also there was talk about how you can tighten up security on the internet, tighten up recruiting for the kind of groups that have attacked france for the couple of weeks. these are difficult issues, and they're not going to be resolved by one meeting and one afternoon
in france. they are thorny problems that europe and the united states, governments all around the world have been grappling with over the years. it's not going to be resolved in one day. >> thank you very much. overlooking the place de la republique. where 1.5 pebble are march to go place de la nation. and another million showing solidarity for the victims of last week's attack. we're going to take other news now, but we will be returning for our extended coverage on this france rally of unity. >> now we're getting breaking
news that two child suicide-bombers, both believed to be young girls blew up in the market in the southeast. it was showing mobile hand sets in yorba state. we can go to the nigerian capitol. abuja. ahmed, extremely disturbing news coming out of nigeria. two suspected child suicide-bombers. can you tell us more? >> yes exactly. two child suicide-bombers detonated devices. this is coming a day after another child suicide-bomber came in a market yesterday killing a number of people. some put the number at 20. remember least year four suicide-bombers blew themselves
up and then we had other reports from other parts of the country where suicide-bombers detonated devices there, but increasingly we're seeing a number of underage girls detonating the devices for bow could had aboko haram. a child who was too afraid to detonate the device, she said that her father had indoctrinated, and she had been told if they did not blow themselves up their family would be killed. >> are these children who are already active in boko haram? >> yes some are but when you go back, early last year, late last year, we've seen a number of kidnappings by boko haram they've kidnapped boys and girls and taken them to their camps. a lot of people think that some of these girls who were abducted
from their homes are being used by boko haram to detonate these devices. some of them may be active boko haram members in north east nigeria. >> every time i talk to you by another atrocity by boko haram the question is what is the government doing about this? are they any closer controlling this armed group? >> well, the government here says it's doing everything it can to control boko haram but what we've seen over the last two or three years, boko haram is getting bolder. they choose the place they're going to attack and then attack them. we hear from residents who say they're invaded by boko haram and then hours after hours after the security services arrive to find that boko haram has done the damage that they wanted to do. virtually people are getting more and more afraid and seeing
less protection from the government side. but the security side said they are saying they're doing everything they can but things on the ground point to other things all together. >> ahmed, another distressing story coming out of nigeria. thank you very much for bringing us up-to-date. ahmed idris from abuja there. well, our main story, of course, today, the march of unity in france. 1.5million people taking part in that rally in paris. another million taking part in marchs in various other cities around france. marching in solidarity for the memories of the 17 victims of the attacks that to come place
the attack on charlie hebdo and the jewish kosher grocery in the south of paris. those attacks leaving 17 people dead. let's go to tim friend, who is live for us in the place de la hepublique. tim, the light is going, it's getting darker, but these people show know signs of going away. >> no, it's undiminished. it continues and seeing people from all walks of life here of men religions who have come together to express solidarity. of course, there are differences between them, but for the moment they are suspended in the interest of national unity let's talk to a rabbi who is from paris, itself. you were marching near the head of the march. what was