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hello, i'm ray suarez as the president of the united states heads to the capital to address a joint session of congress one. biggest fights is what to do with hundreds of people that moved to the country to live and work in violation of immigration laws. in the face of what he calls inaction. the president moved on his own in two big ways. first he delayed the deportation of young people brought to the country. next he gave temporary relief of deportation. the parents of dreamers. when the new house of representatives took its seats. one of the first votes came telling the president you can't do that. now they are on a collision course over immigration, that's the inside story. >> we know today we have an immigration system out of date and badly broken. a system holding us back instead of helping us grow the economy and strengthen the
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middle class. >> we have 11 million undocumented immigrants in america. 11 million men and women from all over the world, living in the chateaus. many have been there for years. the overwhelming majority are not looking for trouble. they are contributing members of the community, looking out for the families and the neighbours and woven into the fabric of our lives. >> a path to citizenship introduced by senate democrats. they passed a reform bill the speaker of the house had other idea. i'll make is clear, and clear again that the house is not going to take up the senate bill. they are going to do their own
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job. control of both houses is in republican hands. the president used knoif power to order department of home lanes security action for childhood arrivals. the parents of undocumented children. dropping more to the bottom of immigration line. the issue of immigration may quite republicans, at a retreat last week representative jason, the new chairman of the house oversight committee told bloomberg while immigration is a source of debate we have the obligation to pass meaningful immigration reform. legal immigration in this country is broken. the hard arguments over immigration. between the white house and congress between the house and senate between republicans and democrats, and between republicans and republicans. this time on "inside story".
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we'll begin with representative david price, a democratic member of the house from north carolina he is on capitol hill. welcome to "inside story." >> thank you, good to be here. >> now, if we divided the politics and the policy are you, and your fellow members from north carolina further the apart on this. further apart politically even though you are not far apart on the policy. >> the thing is there's a political dividing line. one of our republican members fell on our side of the line. on the key votes last week. for the main - in the main it is very partisan. the republicans chose the iladvise the strategy of holding back the homeland security bill from the omnibus appropriations bill. thereby making it run out of money. the rest of the government is
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going to run to the end of the year as it should. homeland security was held out. in order to keep homeland security open they are trying to force the president to accept amendments reversing not only his action on immigrants and the family members of people here legally, would reverse the dream act, act of a couple of years ago. young people brought here as young people and have known no country but this one. the last majority knows that the last one - it is divided over that. this is a leadership move. i'm not sure what the next act is. i don't believe the senate is going to pass anything this extreme under government control. >> it's interesting you mention that. two leading members of the republican leadership say they
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want to pass the bill that came out of the house, but they don't want to threaten dhs funding. is that a needle that can be threaded? >> that is a total contradiction. because this very tactic threatens dhs funding. they can say all they want. these are the guys a than shut things down and have a bing of the department that can shut things down. the job they have to do is find out how to a thread the needle pass the bill with enough votes to is doesn't run out of money or shut down. >> many of your colleagues in the house of representatives said it's not the what that bugs them it's the how. they are mad at the president not because of the effect of the policies but how he did it.
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do you believe him? >> no i don't boy that there certainly is a lot of talk about the tactic the choice by the president, having run up against a brick wall to so long on comprehensive reform. he decided to do what he can, and admits it's not the whole policy. he never claimed that it should be. he's carefully analysed what he can do to ease the situation, and that's where the executive action comes from. it's carefully reasoned. it's a conservative policy. it doesn't include the parents of dream act students. it include parents of people who were born here. they've been caution about that.
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so i don't think there's a question he's on sound ground. a certain number of republicans wish they could pass immigration reform and deal with this. they are in a minority within their own party. they are hardly in a position to object to this careful use of authority. >> democrat of north carolina. thank you for joining us on "inside story." freight to have you with us. >> great to be with you. >> we'll be back with more after this break. when we return people that know the tug of war over immigration first hand. what can the president do. can the congress stop him and can anyone pay a political price. stay with us.
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. >> we should continue the work of fixing our broken immigration
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system. ity believe we should take on the issue of illegal immigration. i believe as strongly as ever that we should take on illegal immigration. let's get this done. send me a comprehensive reform bill and i will sign it right away and america will be better for it. >> welcome back to "inside story" on al jazeera america. i'm ray suarez. as we've just heard from the last four state of union speeches immigration is high on the agenda. the president has repeatedly called for reform he's authorised a record number of deportations nearly 2 million. last march the president of the latino group called him the deporter-in-chief. joining us to continue the look in the battle overimmigration and how the politics will play during the run-up to the presidential election day, i'm joined by simon rosenberg. president of the new network. and a grad student from florida
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state, immigrant right's activist and hoping to get hits own status fixed by immigration, and igor former director of immigration policy and special jizor for refugee and asylum affairs at the u.s. department of homeland security. >> do you think this is a worthwhile tactic for getting done what they want to get done. threatening the dhs funding. a pinch point in politics. >> i think it's showing the extent to which the republican party believes that the president's executive action went too far in the sense of authority. it's supposed to work in with congress. i think it's a tactic. i don't think it will succeed. it won't succeed for the simply reason that it is beyond immigration. which is recorded or intended to guard against terrorism.
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these things are republican. >> simon rosenberg, you heard david price earlier scratching his head a little over the idea that you could both fund dhs and strip out the funding for the executive action. what is at play. you are an outsider to republican inside counsel, but you are on old practitioner of the game. what are they doing? >> they are making it clear that they oppose what the president has done. they raised the stakes. i feel they'll be disappointed at the end of the day. men conservatives driving the debate. i don't think they have the photo to do both. they'll have to fund dhs, keep the country safe and all the tinges that dhs does. i don't think there'll be compromise or middle ground. there has been political defeat on the republicans. >> reporter: juan, when congress
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repudiated the latest action but went after dakar as well did you feel threatened? >> personally, i think a symbol as to what the republican controlled congress is aiming to do. i don't think my status koim in 2017. however, it's indicative as to what exactly the republican party had in mind and looking to 2016. and what the agenda its will be when tackling the executive action of the press, and edging on his legacy. when that is was passed. did you think "well, maybe this is more fragile. more subject to political whims than i thought it was after i applied." i've known that this is a temporary programme, that it's not a law by any means.
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what happened is congress and the vote that the house took it's symbolic. they said i don't think this will pass the house or the senate. if it passes the senate. the president has issued a veto threat to it. i think that my status was here for the next three years and what is to come as we see the situation is to develop. >> among the pool of dreamers people like yourself. there are those that made the conclusion that they had not helped him nearly as muches as he caught to or -- as much as he ought to have or had the power to do early in the presidency. you must see that with people trying to regularize their status. that's correct. what the congressman alerted to. what has happened in the past
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in the last year with the newest tradition in the executive action it has essentially fragmented the pool of individuals who can be fit for deferral deportations. only parents can have the deportation deferred as opposed to people like my parents, who department have a way to apply for benefits. now we have two different camps aiming for the relief. it's not a comprehensive solution. as we move forward, there's a lot of work to be done. we are hoping for some bipartisan leadership in this scenario. >> igor a lot of push back from republicans comes over the great big word. it drives them crazy. they'd rather do this incrementally. does that work for someone like juan and his family as well. >> i think it could. i think the problem - i personally was a supporter of
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comprehensive immigration reform, and i worked during the bush administration the the problem is quite big. you are trying to build a global compromise and reform and change a lot of things that are either broken. i think you could form a series of small compromises where you push and have a bill that does something for the workers, and has a different component, or builds that enforcement. for employment ver itches. or how it can combine it. for dreamers people like juan. i think the potential path of passing small immigration measures is a viable one, and that's with what several people in congress are contemplateing to do. >> don't you run the risk of talking about laws that mesh in
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their impact. doing one thing at a time and creating all sorts of unforeseen circumstances, gepp days and risks for families waiting for the whole thing to work out together. >> i think that's certainly a concern, but i think it's a concern if you try to do too much. if you try to do global solution in today's climate. and the president's use of authority that alienated a lot of people in congress supportive of solving the immigration problem. you run the risk trying to put together a compromise that is difficult, is not going to work. >> are democrats in the game now that there's a minority in both houses. do they have much to do beside watching what baiper in his kaub us and mitch mcconnell in his kaub cues decide to do. >> they should be out there to decide as much as they can for the programme. i was in a meeting with president obama before he took the action spoke to a group of
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us that worked on the issue for a long time and said when i leave office if there's 3 million, 4 million signed up for the new programme. it will stay no matter who the next president is. if it's half a million or a million people. it will be more tenuous. let's spend the next two years, get people into the programme, show the country it will work. what i'm hardened by if you look at two polls, keeping the president's actions in place, letting this go through, in the c.b.s. news poll. 62" said they want to keep the action in place. i think they are in the process of moving people. and the president is trusting them to go ahead and do this we'll be back after a quick break. when we return it's not just any congress but the congress doing its work in the shadow.
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how will the splits between and inside parties shape immigration reform proposals from the white house, congress and the people that want to be the next president. stay with us.
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>> we're back on inside story. i'm ray suarez. we're back with "inside story" on al jazeera america. i'm ray suarez. the immigration reform debate is not being carried on in a vacuum. the economy continues to recover. the job market continues to make steady games and many members of the 114th congress look in the mirror in the morning to see a future president of the united states looking back at them. >> as them. >> as the race for the president takes shape, marco rubio of florida believes reform should consistent of separate small bills.
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he told charlie rose in an interview: >> former florida governor jeb bush. >> we need to move away immigration as a lever to get votes and move on for sustained growth. >> what could this mean? there are 8 million hispanic voters in the u.s. today. a sharp divide on republican approach on immigration could cost the g.o.p. a large chunk of the vote. simon, juan, and
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igor are still with me. juan, what are your plans for the 2016 campaign year defend in part on the state state of play of immigration reform law? >> you know, looking at the panorama, it seems that what the announceer said is correct. we're looking at what the solution out of this conundrum is as we a continue for an immigration reform bill, but there have not been significant changes outside of what the president has done. in the meantime we could have passed bills like the dream act, and a bunch of other bills that could modify current immigration law and made it easier for a couple of groups within the undocumented population. unfortunately, that has not been the case. my plan is to look forward to a candidate that is not only supportive but the action plan to enact either comprehensive bill or a series of bills that
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would get us to that comprehensive picture, whether it's two or three years down the road. >> do you get the impression that a lot of people in the state like florida, which is home to many immigrants of all kinds of status, that a lot of voters make up their mind based on an issue like this or partially on an issue like this? >> i think florida is an interesting example for an issue like this. if you look at how the state is made up. you have north florida and south florida. south florida contains a huge population of the immigration population. and he have representatives like carlos corbelo, north florida is where the push will have to happen. florida depends on the cultural industry in terms of the citrus industry in the state.
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and universities in the florida that house a lot of prominent students who want to continue to contribute back to this country, who are undocumented like myself, so the argument as a state comprehensively, it's definitely a strong one, and i would say for everybody in the house and the senate and potential nominees more for the white house is that they need to pay close attention to what is it, not only that the immigration community wants but the country as a whole wants to fix an issue like this. >> igo r, political risk, do republicans who want to president, and democrats who want to be president see it different ways? not a single latino voted for the g.o.p. they would still win the house and senate. how do you do your political
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calculous on this. >> i think for members of the house, they're more concerned about the primary challenges and there is certainly a large segment that use the idea that you shouldn't reward someone who broke the law by legalizing them that's a fair legit ly legitimate position. i think the last presidential election, president obama got 70% roughly whereas president bush if in his last term got 40% of the hispanic vote. i think there is a push for people who look at the people who run through presidential campaigns to equalize that balance. >> if they just coasted on 2016 on immigration assuming they're
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going to get the lyon's share of the latino vote and all those voters to whom immigration is a big issue. >> i think that would be a big mistake. the hispanic vote could swing. president bush did very well in winning the house 2000-2004. the only republican presidential candidates who won over the last two generations have been pro immigration reform candidates. i think democrats have to take some of these emergeing republican candidates at face value and making the case that during obama's time in office things have gone very well for the latino community. unemployment has come down. the number of uninsured has come down. we've done executive action. this is a much more comprehensive approach this democratic party has done to improve the lives of latinos and we'll have to fight like heck to make sure that we retain the margins that we've made in
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previous elections. >> quickly before we go, at the end of the stories do you and your parents get to stay legally in the united states? do you work on that faith? >> i work on the faith that one day they'll be realized. however that comes, if it's nor executive actions by this president or the next, i continue to work on the promise of the american dream and insuring that my parents' dreams for me, my brother , and themselves, continue as a whole. >> simon, igor, great to talk with you all. even though this program is over we want to hear what you think about this day's program. send us your thoughts on twitter. our handle is aj inside story a.m.
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