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>> the fight over defense spending, could bucket cuts cripple the military. the pentagon's main spokesperson joins us. >> major changes in saudi arabia days after a new king took over, will they lead to progress on human rights? the key stone pipeline passes the senate, but the president's threatened veto puts it on a road to nowhere. those stories and more, straight ahead. >> president obama taking on republicans over forced spending cuts.
>> obama's expected to propose a $534 billion defense budget. >> we have a defendant strategy that requires the military to be out and about, to be engaged around the world. >> it's a republican controlled senate. >> asked to approve the key stone pipeline. >> it's time for the white house to really draw the line in the sand. >> president obama held his first formal meeting with the new so you had deking. >> it is important for us to recognize that we have strategic interests in common with caused rain. >> the new book, murder at camp delta. >> joseph hickman was serving as a prison guard at guantanamo. >> they did not die in their cells. >> hundreds gathered to protest. >> they want to live their life like the middle east, they can go back to the middle east. >> with begin with questions on
the legal fate of sergeant bowe bergdahl and the expect biggest budget ever. it is denied that bergdahl exchanged for five prisoners last may will likely be charged with desertion. when president obama sense his budget to congress monday, it's said to include a request of $534 billion for america's military, including $35 billion more than the sequestered budget caps allow, plus another $51 billion to fight the wars in afghanistan, syria and iraq. the service chiefs told the senate armed services committee that the money was essential. without it, the army chief of staff feared being forced to send troops who weren't properly trained and ready to manage some new contingency. it is warned to america's technological edge was eroding as possible antagonists are catching up.
u.s. and coalition war planes are credited with a major role in what appears to be the defeat of size as i will forces by the kurdish fighters for the town of kobane. for more, i'm joined by rear admiral jon kirby. always good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to address the military budget in a moment. you've been in the middle of a media firestorm this week over sergeant bowe bergdahl. reports that he was going to she charged with desertion, those reports you specifically denied. the swap for him happened last may. why is it taking eight months and counting for a decision on whether he'll be charged or not? >> let's back up. first of all, once he came back to the united states web needed some time to reintegrate. this was a long, lengthy and appropriate pros of helping him reincident gate back into the army and american society. nobody wanted to interview him until was ready to be interviewed.
those interviews were conducted, the investigation now complete. that investigation is lengthy, about 2,000 pages long and very thorough. it was not delivered to the four star who will now decide how the case will be disposed until late index. he's only had it a month. general millie has made it clear he wants the appropriate time to go through it himself. he doesn't have history with this case and needs to him to go through it and make sound decisions about how this case will be disposed of going forward. as i said the other day, no charges have been filed, and everything from no action to a court martial is in the range of possible actions that the general could decide upon. >> is the white house as reported pressuring the pentagon to keep bergdahl from being charged with desertion? >> there is no pressure from the white house, certainly no pressure from the pentagon, no
pressure from the general's chain of command to speed up the review of this discretion or his decisions nor to come to any conclusions. everybody is well aware that this is now in a judicial process of the military justice system and it needs to be kept sacred and apart from everything else. the general hat latitude to review on his own time line and come up with his own decisions. >> military spending, ours is greater than any possible combination of our foes. the latest budget is going to be the largest in u.s. history at a time when we're supposed to have ended one war and winding down another. why do we need the biggest military budget ever now? >> well, you'll excuse me for not talking about specifics about a budget that we haven't submitted to congress yet. i can't talk about any details in there including the top line figure. what i can tell you is that and
the chiefs made it clear yesterday about the dangers of sequestration. the world says a dangerous place and we have a defense strategy requiring the military to be engaged around the world. there are many, many things still presenting threats and challenges to our national security. look at what's going on in europe, look at our support to upon democratic concerns in line about her i can't with ebola and of course iraq and isil and the military operations there, not to men the fact that we still have troops in afghanistan. >> the general warned the armed services committee that he's concerned we might have to handle troops to handle some unknown contingency who haven't be properly trained. marine com can't joseph doneford feared returning to
the 1970 said. >> nobody was talking about ebola when we submitted that budget last year, so it's difficult to predict the future, and so we want to make sure that there's enough cartilage in the military system to deal with unknown contingencies. >> to be fair the percentage of the g.d.p. that the pentagon's budget represents now has gone down significantly over the years, but if the pentagon does not get the money it needs where are you going to cut? >> we'll have to make some tough decisions obviously, if that's the case, you're right. g.d.p. spending on the military is hovering around 3%, low for
our country historically. what we're concerned about in terms of cuts is the cuts that would come as a result of sequestration returning to be the law of the land. that would significantly put at risk our ability to defend the country in the manager we have been ordered to do that by the defense strategy the commander-in-chief handed down in 2012. what we said is that would have to be scrapped and be rewritten should sequestration return. >> your boss, chuck hagel made his formal farewell on wednesday. before that, he told national public radio that the stress and strain of 13 years of non-stop war is making it hard to hold on to some of the military's best and brightest. what are you doing to address that? is there anything you can do to address that? >> all the chiefs, all the service secretaries are laser focused on this, as they should be, especially at the junior officer and enlisted ranks. these are our future leaders
generals and admirals and our future senior enlisted leaders and they're critical. we do have to pay attention to this. 13 years of war has taken a toll. they are very resilient, talented, they have options. as the economy starts to get better, life outside the military starts to look a little more attractive. as the up tempo for the military continues a pace and it's very much robust as an up tempo that we face now could mean getting out of the military be an attractive option. we are focused on this rear, very hard, looking at incentive way to say make it easier to make a decision to stay in the military. we have to be mindful and watch this closely. >> coalition war planes played a big role in iraq with the kurds successful defense of the syrian-turkey border town of kobane. the kurds say that the fight against isil is still going on
in villages that in area. what did the coalition's focus for taking on isil now? >> our focus is as it has been on getting them where they present themselves, in iraq and syria. when we have available targets we want to go after them and we continue to do that, even around kobane. number -- >> how about bigger targets, like the kurds talking about trying to get back mosul, iraq's second largest city. is that going to happen in the near future? >> we've all said that mosul is key terrain and we know isil still maintains control over mosul. there's going to have to be a campaign to retake mosul. we all recognize that and our iraqi counterparts recognize that. we're working with them as they build their capacity and readiness for that kind of a campaign. i won't get into speculating about how soon that might occur.
what i have said is that we're not going to go faster or rush this any faster than the iraqis themselves can prepare. part of our commitment is to help train and advice and as them as they prepare not just for mosul, but to liberate isil from the country. >> in russia bear bombers got too close to the british coast. the english channel. the russians have also had some flights that have been awfully close to the united states. they seem to be more aggressive than in the recent past. what are we doing on that front? >> well, these flights, while certainly getting attention, and rightfully getting the attention they deserve, they're not aggressive in terms of, you know, presenting an actual tactical threat
and the. >>er septembers have been professional thus far by and large. there's been some that haven't but most of them have been. what's concerning here is the overall strategic intent. there's no reason for these sorts of flights, other than to flex their muscles in moscow and all this does is just make everybody more concerned about stability, particularly on the european continent. this is a time for moscow to take reasoned, measured and deliberate action to say destabilize -- to. >> deescalate? >> stabilize, thank you and to stabilize the tension, particularly there in ukraine and on the continent. rather than do that, as a powerful nation should do, they're taking the opposite effect. all they're doing in the end is further isolating themselves. >> always very good to have you with us, thank you. >> thank you.
>> turning to saudi arabia, and a massive reshuffling of the government on thursday follows a week where world leaders paid respect to the laid sawed king abdullah. the trip underscored the long and completely complicated relationship with the two allies. sitting with the new king, president obama smiled, praising the palace. the big question is whether the new saudi leadership will bring about any real change. behind the scenes, the president and the king talked about the campaign against isil and nuclear negotiations with iran that having ored the saudis. there was no cushion of human rights abuses in the kingdom including beheadings and the flogging of a saudi blogger for insulting islam. the president explained why before his trip. >> sometimes we have to balance our need to speak to them about
human rights issues with immediate concerns that we have in terms of countering terrorism or dealing with regional stability. >> joining us now from los angeles is plusser prize winning journalist karen elliot house, the author of the book: currently chair of the and corporation, publisher of the wall street journal and continues to contribute to the paper. here in our studio, we're joined by david keys, executive director of advancing human rights. he is contributor to the daily beast. it's very good to have you both with us, karen, on thursday, the king, the new king announced cabinet changes, including the removal of the former saudi ambassador to washington somebody very familiar to americans. he had an important post in saudi
arabia. he also removed two the former kings sons from top positions, eliminated a whole bunch of state government bodies. how significant are these huge moves just days after becoming king? >> i think salman is clearly trying to indicate as our late secretary of state al hague said, i'm in charge here. if you recall his comment when president reagan was shot. the king is trying to establish i think that he's in charge. i -- from what i can see of the new moves, i wouldn't expect human rights to take any higher position in the saudi hierarchy, because he has removed the justice minister who was seen as something of a liberal in the saudi context, and apparently also removed the more liberal
head of the religious police, so he seems to be by removing all these extraneous entities, getting hopefully decisions will get made quicker and the decisions that get made, i suspect will be pretty tough. >> i want to get to human rights in a second. you've met king salman. do you think anything will change when it comes to foreign domestic policies, that they will be a more solid ally of the united states because certainly the alliance is afraid of it. >> i think the u.s. officials doubtlessly will hope that things get better because we know deputy crown prince has been mr. anti-terror and worked closely with the u.s., but i think the factual is that our president and the saudis just have a different outlook on the middle east.
the saudi said number one enemy is iran, and our president seems determined to find a way to do a deal with iran that the saudis don't want done and is not going to be particularly active in trying to overthrow assad, their other big interest. >> you wrote that they don't see the u.s. as much as a reliable -- of a reliable protector as the saudis had in the past. david, you were pretty harsh on the saudis, saying that this was a perfect opportunity having a new king to reassess the relationship with the saudis and you called the saudi arabian king a tyand the and that we should not appease them. the fact that this is a crucial ally.
>> i think a lot of people see saudi arabia as a bulwark against iran. i see that point of view. human rights such a low priority when it comes to the middle east, we've really kind of given up on what i think is the only long-term guarantor of peace and stability in the middle east and that is freedom and human rights. you can't keep a dictator brutally free pressing his own people for decades and expect what comes out of that is stability and peace. >> the oppression is extreme in ways that doesn't get much publicity in the united states. >> it's beyond barbaric, the lashing of liberals publicly. this is the beheading of people deemed witches, the banning of anonymous limbs from stepping foot inside an entire city. americans should be outraged absolutely outraged at this extreme oppression of the most basic human rights.
women are banned from traveling without a man's permission. the guardianship system keeps women effectively locked up without the permission of a son or husband or anything else. what i'm calling for is americans to get engaged for the support of human rights in saudi arabia. we launch add crowd sourcing movements.org that gives individuals the ability to connect with political prisoners, families who are being lashed, whipped and jailed for nothing more than speaking their minds. >> you've got a couple of beheadings every week, blasphemy, atheism, home my sexuality all criminalized there. should web more aggressive on the human rights front? >> i think the u.s. should because it's supposed to be in our d.n.a. to support individual liberty and freedom.
i do not think that our doing so is going to radically change saudi arabia, because the ruling family wish to say stay in power and their view is the best way to do so, is to suppress dissent and provide incentives and money to those who quietly obey. one of the things that king salman did today was declare a two month bonus to saudi employees. the government has money and spends to it buy public support. it's in our interest to stand for something. >> right, and are you optimistic at all? because there was optimism for the deputy crown prince, technically now second in line to the throne, was someone, he's younger, could bring more human rights to the kingdom, but there are indications that might not be the case.
>> i'm not optimistic. the king a pointed the religious affairs minister, aggressive in terms of outlook. i'm not optimistic about america's role in saudi arabia. what we just saw was the united states shipping $60 billion worth of arm to this zeno foe being tyrannical extremely repressive dictatorship, no conditionality on those arms. we've seen the president go to saudi arabia and not name the names of prisoners, liberals whipped in the streets for voicing their thoughts about the government and kings. >> karen, do you think the
saudis will be more effect i have partners in the fight against terrorism? >> no, i don't think they and we, i've already said, have the same agenda. i would just remind david that the iranians and i know you're not endorsing them, either, but they are hardly a less repressive regime, so the president is an equal opportunity employer when it comes to cooperating with or seeking to with repressive regimes sadly. >> iran desperately need to be confronted. i don't think that relying on one dictatorship not to fight another is a particularly good strategy. >> very good of both of to you join us. now for more stories from around the world.
we begin in egypt where a series of attacks in the north of the sinai peninsula killed 29 people and left dozens wounded. an isil affiliate in the region claimed responsibility for the attacks on army and police targets, including a car bomb and mortar rounds. the northern sinai has been in a state of emergency and under curfew since october when an attack on a check post killed dozens of soldiers. the egyptian army has tried to quell the violence but failed so far. >> a gas refueling truck exploded, destroying large parts of a hospital. one dead was a 25-year-old woman, the other an infant. the explosion occurred as more than 10 people were being evacuated from the hospital in mexico. rescuers were able to pull several crying babies from the rubble.
there's concern that more babies and adults might still be trapped in the debris. >> in brussels, e.u. foreign ministers agreed to extend targeted companies in russia and eastern ukraine in december. a rocket attacked killed 30 people in mariupol. fighting continued in eastern ukraine, where the military conceded thursday that its forces had been overrun by separatists near a strait i didn't think railway junction between two rebel held cities. russia has denied any direct involvement in the fighting. >> that's some of what's happening around the world. coming up, the key stone pipeline survivors the senate, but it is all for naught as the white house promise to say veto it. >> we'll look closer at the
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>> after weeks of debate, the senate passed its first bill of the new session thursday with nine democrats joining the republican majority to accuse construction of the key stone pipeline. >> senate bill one as amended is passed. >> the white house immediately repeated that the president will veto key stone when the bill comes to his desk. the house has already passed its version. political wear fair expected to break out on a larger front monday when the president offers
a budget for the 2015 fiscal year expecting to bust existing spending caps imposed by the sequester. for more, i'm joined from chicago by bill warren and from los angeles, michael shure. jim, the president said veto pen is said to be primed and ready. the senate bill was five votes shy have a veto proof majority. is the president going to win this one? >> yes. should web concise? yes. rarely have so many fought so long so hard for so little. effective tools that were given both sides in the last year for at least fundraising, but on the policy grounds, the significance of this is far outweighed by the symbolic significance and ultimately, obama's got the
votes. nothing will happen. >> is this a lose-lose for the president, if he doesn't veto it, he runs afoul of the democratic base especially environmentalists? >> in that case, it's not a lose-lose, probably a lose-win. it's something that the american people have moved past in a large way. even the voters of louisiana marry landrieu in trying to keep her senate seat in a run off tried to make this her last stand and she stood no more. i think the presidencies and finally came through with this. he wants the last word on this. he gets the last word, and i think again, you can put this under the umbrella of presidential privilege, because he does get to act on this because it crosses an international border, and that's the way the law's written. i think it's probably a lose-win w. he loses with the
republicans, says face with the democrats. >> there's some broad base support for this. >> that's fair. that's fair. i was talking in terms of the politics. this is not an item that's high on a lot of people's risks. to that end. >> gas price in free-fall, the president seems to feel fiscal winds at his back for once. about half of the increase in spending he's proposing would go to defense. can the president get some support from republicans who are defense hawks to actually get a budget through capitol hill? >> that will be interesting. you know, i was
watching tempestuous john mccain. the thrust of his question to say some former secretary of state's involve what he considers minimalist budget for the pentagon, but it's going to be really interesting, because when you look at the key budget committees in the is not and house, there's been a pretty dramatic change. in both places, you've got real hawks, but on the democratic side, bernie sanders, you have a chasm between the ranking democrats and chairman on the republican side, so i just don't see how you bridge that by and large. >> utah senator orrin hatch, head of the finance committee had this to say: michael, a senior democratic budget age
said that the two parties are just on different planets when it comes to spending, you know one reason sited by the white house for the increased spending is the economy needs a boost. the white house said there would be an economic catastrophe instead, we've heard but the president is selling that the economy was great as he did in the state of the union. >> just because the economy's great doesn't mean in his eyes it could get greater sequestration has been a ditch road, really caused the gridlock. i think the president is trying in his way to say let's end the gridlock, we need the spending. the ace in the hole is this defense spending. you have john mccain another head of armed services now. they want the defense spending and because that's part of a sequestration, they're going to find a way to compromise on that
and only com pro applies if that excludes greeter spending away >> the highway trust fund runs out may 31. there's the debt ceiling and sequestration again in october. are we going to see more of the political gridlock we've seen, jim? >> you know, yes and no. i think you're going to have folks yammering at one another. you've got that big ideological chasm. you're not going to get us to the brink on some of these matters. on some of these matters they've looked out and said you're not going to have the department of homeland security's budget wrenched from under them. i think there's going to be a
whole lot of grabberring about inc. stuff, but most -- none of those things is going to play out in a disastrous eapocalyptic fashion. >> 2016 political news. what do you think of hillary clinton delaying the start of her campaign until july? >> the reasons given and i spoke to somebody who has worked for hillary clinton in the past, the reasons given nows is there is no need to start running. she is a defact-candidate unless somebody is announcing and jim webb has talked about it, there's no reason for her to run. you had republicans that would just give them too much of an open season on her even before announced. it makes sense to me. we've heard clinton at a
teak -- >> it might mean no debates, no challenge before the general election, and now we've got on the republican side, lindsey graham forming an exploratory committee for a potential run for the presidency. we're talks about a dozen republicans already running for president. are we going to see the opposite in the republican party, generally what we saw in the last. >> i like when he says yes and no. >> how about a maybe. the man i think john mccain has referred to on multiple occasions, tuck in cheek as
his i will legitimate son lindsey graham getting into it. presumably his card is going to be a real big hawk on foreign policy. lindsey's a terrific retail politician. i've seen him up close. he's very, very good at what he does back in south carolina. you have the tea party folks, and he's going to run into those problems, getting hammered in new hampshire, iowa and he just hopes that saw the carolina is a lot better for him. >> he's still won big in south carolina last time. always a pleasure to have you. >> let's check in with hermela. >> meeting with lawmakers disrupted by a small group of anti-islam protestors.
women arrived in austin for the several texas-husband limb capitol day. they prayed and learned about the democratic pros from local political staffers and representatives from civil rights groups. all the while, about 27 vocal demonstrators saying save america, stop islam, a video shows at one point, a woman even stormed the podium. >> islam and the false prophet muhammad, islam will never dominate the united states. >> officer! >> earlier in the day. texas state representative molly white caused a stir on line when she wrote: >> we'll see how long they stay
in my office. some agreed asking: the majority of the nearly 3,000 comments thought white was out of line. joe says: baits says: representative white refused to apologize for her comment saying if people love america, they should condemn islamic terrorism. just a small group caused quite a stir and this is the first time something like this happened at a particular event. >> straight ahead, murder at camp delta, a look at what happened in the mysterious death of three gitmo detainees. a more flexible work schedule can make all the
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>> 13 years ago this month, the first detainees from the global war on terror arrived in guantanamo bay, cuba. as the debate over whether to close it rages on, secrets about what has taken place there spill out. one of the bigger mysteries is what happened the night of june 9, 2006 when three prisoners died in custody. the pentagon maintains they committed suicide. there have long been questions about what really happened. joining us is former u.s. army star sergeant stationed at gitmo from march 2006 to
marsh 2007. very good to have you with us. when it was announced that these three men, two from saudi arabia, one from yemen had died officials said it was suicide. now what actually happened has been questioned ever since. you were working there when it happened, been investigating this for years. why are you so certain it was not suicide? >> well, that night on june 9 2006, i was what was called sergeant of the guard, which means i was in charge of several posts throughout camp delta where they were housed. i was also in charge of the outer perimeter of camp america, where all the detainee facilities are located. that night, i saw three detainees transferred from camp delta, camp one inside camp delta to a facility that's known as camp no, outside of -- just
outside of camp america's perimeter, and later on, it was revealed that that was a c.i.a. black site. >> that has been confirmed by senate reports and all sorts of other report that is that was a c.i.a. site there, but then there were certain aspects of what happened to them that also raised questions. >> well, yes, the government's version of what happened that evening was three detainees committed suicide, they say that they hung themselves and the detainee's would have had to tie their own hands and feet together, shoved rags down their throat to the point of gagging put masks over their face, of a news on the top of the very well block, jump in that news and
hung there for over two hours without anyone noticing when the guards are required to check every three minutes, because it was a maximum security camp. >> then again, the official line has been that they left suicide notes and they were known as active participants in hunger strikes. the commander at guantanamo at the time, rear admiral harris described what they did as not an act of desperation, but "an act of asymmetrical warfare waged against us." what is your reaction to what he had to say? >> the night after the deaths that morning getting off duty, we had a meeting with colonel baumgartner in charge of the detention group in guantanamo. he toed that you say morning that we are not to speak about what happened, three detainees died, they shoved rags down their throats is what he told us in the meeting, and that we are
not to talk about what happened and not to say anything to family members, reporters, it was a direct order not to speak because we would be hearing something different in the news. i knew from that night without a doubt that they did not die i have not their cells and it was not the way the government released the story. >> this whole thing about the rags being in their throats, you raised the question that that is part of -- that oftentimes rags were used on people's throats for water boarding. >> a professor at u.c. davis originally raised those questions. i added that in my book. it does make a lot of sense of what could have happened that night when they were taken to camp no. >> when harper's magazine, i first reported this story they had an award winning report largely based on your testimony.
ncis said you were nowhere near the leaks where the men died and 100 during views they did with guards who worked on the cell block and detainees, nobody said anything about an alleged homicide. one of the biggest questions is with all these people involved if these people have been killed, and hadn't committed suicide, wouldn't the story have gotten out otherwise? >> well, if you look at the ncis report and dissect the report as seton hall law school did as well as myself, you'll see that they had actually, the people they say witnessed the detainees hanging in their cells was at most 12 people. five of those people were accused of writing false statements and read their miranda rights. we never saw their original statements, five were accused of lying about what happened that
night, and i went to the justice department over this with seven guards total state that go we saw something different that night. >> what do you want to come out of this book? >> i want the truth to come out. if you notice in my book, i dedicate the book to the father of one of the detainee that is died that night. he's always questioned the official story of what happened. he was a chief of police in riyadh, saudi arabia. he knew when he got his son's body that something wasn't right about the government's story. i want the truth to come out and i also would like a real investigation opened again to see exactly what happened that night. >> should guantanamo be closed in your opinion? >> yes. i think guantanamo should be closed. i think if we have detainees who are a true threat, they should be tried in the united states in
federal court. >> murder at camp dealt tase available on line and at book stores. it raises a lot of questions. good to have you with us, thank you. >> recycling in space, space x. looks at a new renewable rocket. >> the benefits of a more flexible work schedule on employees and sleep. we will see how it can pay for >> you know how they say that everybody has a purpose in life? well, at one time, i felt that selling cocaine was my purpose. >> we was starvin', just lookin' for a way to succeed. >> the first time i seen rock cocaine was 1980. >> the murder rate was sky-high. >> south of the 10 freeway, was kind of a "no-man's land". >> you know, we're selling it for the blacks. i said, you go into these neighborhoods, there's no cops you can sell it where you want
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>> today's data dive, get some rest. one in three americans gets six hours of sleep a night or less. a new study says your boss could help you get more and that would make you healthier. the journal sleep health just published the results of a year long study on 500 workers at an i.t. firm. they word the same amount of hours, but half got more flexible work schedules. those with the more flexible
schedule and ability to occasionally work from home slept an average of eight minutes more a night, doesn't sound like much, but they were more alert attentive and productive. that hour could help reduce health problems including heart disease. the bosses who says workers had more flexion i'll saw lower turnover and they didn't feel compelled to go to work when sick. the finallings come shortly after researchers found people who get more sleep when year young and middle age will see health benefits for the next three decades. it's add to go a great body of science proving the great importance of getting a good night's rest. >> the space industry's latest mission which furthers the exploration of our planet.
returning to earth. test flights are expect to begin later this year. joining us is chief astronomer of the franklin ins statutes science museum, an al jazeera contributor. the animation that space x. released is really something incredible. how exactly would this work? >> it is spectacular, but the key word is reusable. these are steerable, soft landing reusable boosters, that means that will cut the cost dramatically of what it takes to actually get heavy pay loads up into low earth orbit. that's the big key, reusable steerable, landable. >> how big a game-changer would it be? >> major, because it gives space x. the ability to launch very heavy pay let's. this will launch satellites from the united states.
that's an important point. it will carry off their upcoming space capsule and any other future components that are needed for deep solar system exploration. this heavy lift vehicle will be the one that can carry those roads. a different rocket, and it tried to land on a platform in the ocean, but it exploded on impact, apparently because of of all things, a lack of gas. do you think this is going to work? >> i think it is going to work. it was a lack of hydraulic fluid that they needed to lower the leg so it could stand on the platform. they had a wonderful outing. this is only the second time they've attempted it. the first time they attempted it on the mobile platform itself and musk things they'll hit it on target next time and if not then, probably the time after that. they are way ahead of everybody else in the industry
conquering this particular piece of an extended task. >> it is hold that the new rocket design is going to be very important fought future of manned flight? >> absolutely. space x believe that is this this is the key to opening the door to deep solar system exploration, including not only going to mars, but going to the moon and carrying spacecraft out into the deeper reaches of the solar system. space x., elon musk really wants to get to mars himself, even. he wants to build that capability for people to get into space and open that door at a much reduced price. >> let's talk about other technology launching, called s map, soil moisture active passive. the satellite is going to measure soil moisture levers all over the world. what makes it more incredible, it's going to do this every
couple days, mapping the whole world. what use will this information ever? >> what they're going to do is use two things together, the rotation of the earth, the orbital position of the spacecraft and rotating antenna. as the earth rotates, a rotating antenna will continuously map the surface of the planet. they'll accomplish a full mapping down to two-inches deep in the soil every three days. this is an incredible accomplishment, consider that go we don't have a full data set yet about the moisture in the soil across the planet. this will be a great piece of information to have. >> i want to end with nasa having its annual day of remembrance this week. wednesday was the anniversary of the explosion that killed seven astronauts in 1976, tuesday the afford of the pad lauren.
the columbia disintegrated and killed seven people 12 years ago. how does nasa honor the legacies going forward? >> the real way is by keeping the space program going alive and accomplishing really big tasks. nasa does not want the lives of these great explorers, daring explorers to be given up in vain. nasa is pushing hard to live up to the legacy of those who took the big risk so others would be able to explore the solar system, that we as humanity would be able to explore the solar system. >> that's all for now, but the conversation continues on our website. we're also often facebook and twitter. you can tweet me. thanks for joining us.
>> between 1990 and 2003 nasa launched four satellites to photograph our galaxy across the spectrum of both visible and invisible light. they made up the agency's "great observatory program" and each orbiting telescope saw things a little differently, and now the youngest of the four satellites has just finished its mission. the spitzer space telescope is an infrared camera, it detects objects that our eyes can't see and it has taken 2.5 million photographs over the course of almost 10 years in operation. >> 2.5 million photographs stitched together into one big view, which allows you to zoom in incredibly far to see all the way out past the dust and so forth that blocks our normal vision and look through infrared through all of that dust out at stars that are all the way out at the edge of our known galaxy. >> and being able to see all of it in infrared means we're seeing distant stars, stars at
least 100 times larger than our own sun. the ability to navigate among these stars is invaluable to astronomers, but even to a casual observer it's pretty mind-blowing. just when you thought america's cold war with cuba may be over the castro regime takes a hard line and lifting the embargo could be tough sell in congress, a new report turning plants into bio fuel is not the way to fight climate change and could put the food supply in jeopardy, people who lost their houses when the market collapsed and looking to get back in again, i'm ali velshi and this is "real money."