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won't find anywhere else. >> these are very vivid, human stories. >> if you have an agenda with people, you sometimes don't see the truth. >> "talk to al jazeera". only on al jazeera america. flashpoint ferguson, ground zero, tensions between the african-american and the police station, who is right, who is wrong, it's in the eyes of the beholder, from the police risking their lives on the job. >> every encounter i have with everyone is a weapon, losing my weapon means losing my life. >> to the black men's on the street fearing their lives are at risk. >> they have been killing us and our kids. >> psychological testing revealing
a perspective that could be yours. >> my unconscious brain sees white people safer and black threatening. i'm ali velshi, a special report finishes now. . >> that officer took a hard hit. >> the officer has a right to go home to his family as anyone else. pure ambush, that's how told rer described the scene you saw from ferguson after two police men were shot during a demonstration outside the ferguson police department. that followed the resignation of the press chief after the department of justice report about racism in the department he ran. the two injured officers have been released from the hospital. tonight three
perspectives - black, blue and you. blacks from ferguson, blue the police, and you. the unbias. we begin with the view from the press on the beat. what do they see. it was a brief encounter between 18-year-old african-american teenager michael brown and white ferguson missouri police officer darren wilson much when it was over, michael brown was dead in the street. the city erupted, and the nation forced to depront wounds around race and law enforcement. rumours were rampant. protesters accused of shooting michael brown in the back as he was surrendering. nine months later the department of justice painted a different picture. after a sweeping investigation by the federal bureau of investigation. hundreds of interviews and review of physical and forensic evidence the 8 of page report concluded:
the report lays out the reason for not charging former officer wilson with federal civil rights violations and examines the chronology of august 9th. it began before noon, brown, in civilians video participated in the robbery of a box of cigars from a convenience store, assaulting the store clrk. a few minutes later officer darren wilson confronted brown, and a struggle ensued. the report concludes that:
by the time it was over darren wilson fired 12 shots at michael brown, killing him on the spot. [ chants ] . >> the event of that 2 minute encounter sparked a conversation about race, violence and law enforcement in america. before the department of justice released the report, we went on ride alongs with several police officers to understand what they see when they look at the events in ferguson. 43-year-old juan sanchez has been an officer with the city of florida police department for 15 years. >> the truth of the matter is any time you come into an encounter with a police officer, there's a weapon. there's always a weapon. every encounter i have is there was a weapon, my weapons. losing my weapon means losing my life. when i look at what happened,
and the evidence, saying the suspect went for the officer's weapons, there's no question on whether he should have engaged him with a farm or not. when someone takes the officer's decision. >> the sergeant has been with the police department here for cops. >> what about the police officer. so the police officer, he he is. 6 foot 4 getting bad guys, 6 foot 3. he committed a robbery, now there's a struggle with a gun, any police officer, there's a. unless you are a liver, you don't under what it's like to be given a task of basically winning every situation, and i'm 5 foot 11, 170. 95% of people i come across are tougher than me, but i am going to win, and i'll do what is
necessary to win. that officer as just as much of a right to go home to his family assist anyone else. people tend to forget that a lot sergeant eric boulden has been with the city's police department for 25 years, and was born and raised there. >> it's sad to say but you have a lot of police officers living on edge because of things they see in the media. i have a 17-year-old son. i feel bad but i have to have those conversations with him on what he needs to do if he has interaction or comes in contact with an officer by way of a traffic stop on the street. i don't believe a lot of kaukations would -- kaukations would worry about having those conversations. even myself as an officer, i've been travelling, when i see the
lights. i don't know how well trained the officer is that iskming up to my door -- is coming up to my door. >> three perspectives, three voices in a conversation about race and law enforcement. those three voices stand in contrast. next we go to the streets of ferguson, where citizens armed with cameras are barely able to contain their rage as this city is coming apart at the scenes. >> the evil that we are faced with, i'll be out there with my guns too, ready to kill, because i know they want to kill me. >> discipline... >> that's what i wanna hear... >> strength... >> give me all you got... >> respect.... >> now... >> bootcamp >> stop your'e whining... >> for bad kids... >> they get a little dirty... so what... >> dangerous... >> we have shackles with spit bag...
the 102 page report we got from the department of justice faces a shocking story of how people are treated, using dogs, tasers and excessive force on what are said to be violations of the fourth amendment. we met a man who knows this because of his commitment to video taping police interactions. david whit is an electrician with a criminal past and his goal is to help residents deal with the police. we have this story.
>> reporter: before two officers were shot in ferguson, david whit saw it coming. hoe felt that wam himself. -- that raige himself. >> they've been killing us who our kids, this evil we face, i would be out there with my guns ready to kill. i know they want to kill me. i have to family, i can't take it yet. it's getting there. i need to be fearless out there. future. >> reporter: he lives in the neighbourhood where michael brown was shot. instead of a gun, he picks up a camera. he spends a few hours patrolling the streets. >> we'll run up. he says he's gathering footage from a distance to help residents, because once people
are stopped by officers, the police often prevent them from recording the interaction. juvenile. >> i'm filming the press. >> his parents might not appreciate that. >> why you got to stop him? what did he do? >> reporter: until a few months ago it might have been easy to dismiss dazed and his concerns. he has spent time in prison and has reasons to strongly dislike press. >> none of the cops like me. >> the department of justice investigation of police activity casts dave's obsession with collecting video evidence in a different lict. according to the report:
officers claim without fact support: >> reporter: the d.o.j. say people have been arrested trying to film, and critical evidence has not been collected. it's so common, a senior citizens, too afraid to show her face because of retaliation explained to this way. >> there's three types of law. the rich law, middle class, and poor. the poor gets shoved. middle class have a claps, gets out op bond until the court case. the poor person gets gaol. >> without hard evidence, the police officer word is taken over your word. >> that is why david dedicated a room in his apartment to storing and cataloguing his footage.
>> what can i do for you? >> you can't do nothing. film. >> he founded the ferguson chapter of cop watch. the organization trying to by body cameras. >> we ordered 200 more. >> why 200. >> we are starting to collect it. people. >> you can video tape what happened, tell them what time it involved. >> my goal is to get underaged teenagers, okay. i'm 35 years old. my goal is to give the cameras to people 25 years of age and under. >> but with tensions high, he's not just giving the cameras away, but training people to use them, and ironically not to antag niece police. we don't want no one to get
shot-putting a camera on. don't reach in your packet and grab nothing. >> continuing coverage on ferguson has been spectacular. when is it not legal to video tape police. >> the short own is when it interforwards with an officer's ability to do their job. were an officer to tell you put your hands up. wait, i want to get my phone, that's interfering with an officer's ability to do the job. there's other factors at play. depending on which state you are. the audio portion of the phone recording may be illegal. some states have laws in face. >> where both sides have to concept to being recorded. >> exactly. that can be challenging. you had your crews' equipment taken away. what happens. >> it was a strange situation. >> do you remember the scope officers.
at that point my photographer ran with him. i follow. we film the interaction. when we get back, the rest of our gear is gone. other folks said no, no, it was the police. it was the same police you were filming. we went to the department saying what's going on. this is where the story is fishy. one can understand. they say we saw sa valuable item on the street. >> you didn't get it back. to be clear. everyone involved was black. >> correct. >> the camera man, you, and the subject you were following. >> that's what made is disturbing. they made us wait 24 hours, enough time for a story to pass over for us to get the equipment back. >> no further incident. >> no further incident. >> to their credit they say they do this.
>> i find it difficult to believe that a small police department. that they would have time to collect things. it continues to be a fascinating story. thank you. coming up next. the issue of shooting unarmed minorities is racism. a fascinating look. an unconscious bias in all of us. >> are you still shooting unarm black me? >> yes, and failing to shoot unarmed white me. that's a mistake made commonly.
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unconscious bias, many people have unconscious racial biases and act differently to a white face and a black base. within the debate over cops and race is a troubling issue, the degree to which all of us are affected by unconscious bias, and it turns out unconscious bias turns up in people many assume are the least likely to be racist. jacob ward has this report. [ ♪♪ ] >> reporter: the disputes of u.c. burke -- students of u.c. berkeley, a leading source of peace core may be the last group of people likely to shoot an unarmed black man than a white man. you'll find the same racial bias that serves as controversy. it runs counter to
values. as troubling as the implications are for what is going on in policing, it's causing us to exhibit behaviours we don't want to, and it affects others. >> reporter: jake is an associate professor of public policy. running a study replicated by others. instead of asking people would you shoot a black buy. be look at their behaviour and differences in milliseconds. it's reflecting an unconscious process. the trigger is they are. >> it is told to shoot all armed targets. and not hit unarmed ones. >> the research shows that subjects shoot unarmed people quickly. they decide not to shoot an unarmed
whiteman sooner. he says although he figured hout what he should be doing, it was tough to avoid bias. >> i realise it will be emotionally racially. i mean, it's tough. i'm not a plefr, i can only imagine the stuff we go through. performing doesn't make a racist person. people conducting the study see their open un unconscious biases affecting their actions are you shooting unarmed black me. >> and failing it shoot unarmed white men. my unconscious brain sees white people as safer. >> i hate to admit it. i was surprised and disappointed. >> accidently so the an unarmed black man. not doing well.
>> you would be surprised. people tend to respond the way you are responding. >> we'll flip the board around. point to the person you believe is different. >> as this shows, blacks can demonstrate on bias against people of colour. >> why the black one? >> unconscious bias is how the brain deals with information overload. it stores 11 million pieces of information. we can only process 40 bits. bias is like a mental shortcut. if the memory or recollection of things was conscious, it would be debilitating. as a result, societal stereotypes within the subconshe is rears its head.
>> to control it you have to think you are capable. >> >> reporter: these social researchers are trying to bring understandings bias out in people like police officers. the professor is building a justice database of police shots and shootings, in cooperation with the police departments that can track the scenes of bias. officers will be the first to say it's terrifying when they come upped fire. condition we get them to a pointed where people focus on the hands of the suspect for, not the colour, but what is in them jacob ward joins me from san francisco. i have to tell you, you were under no obligation to tell anyone what the results were when you took the test. >> how did it feel to take part, and scare the results. that you were shooting more blacked people than unarmed white people. >> it was a sobering experience.
i knew what it was i was supposed to do to make the common mistake, which is not to fire on unarmed black men more frequently, but fire on armed white men less frequently. i was giving white people the benefit of the doubt and waiting longer. that's the built-in bias that really shows itself, even in people that know what they are supposed to do. that was true for me. >> an eye-opening study, and you mentioned that they are conducting the study with 40 police officers, what can be achieved by shedding light on the idea of one's unconscious bias. >> you know, i asked the professor that question. his field is trying to wrap minds around what would the long term feb of this be, can you eradicate unconscious bias. he doesn't believe it is
possible to turn it off, but you can habituate people, if you get them acompassed to anned in they are paying a bias position. it's am you know you are allergic to pae thoughts. -- peanuts. you know you make a bad decision, you take more time to make the decision. he found the trainings he is trying to do with the police department. a national programme is about to pe gone on this. -- begin on this. all of that has the effect of police officers making smarter decisions. when they pull the trig or, pulling it less often than otherwise. it's having a positive effect. it's early days. >> you are a man of science, i want to ask you to think this through. one of the things that police face is not just the unconscious
bias and habituating yourself to making better decisions or slowing the mind down. they are making the decisions under stress. and we know that our moined and habits and reflections and reactions in defense of police officers are different in conditions of stress. >> that's true. the conditions under which police officers are called upon to make slit-second decisions are unbelieve age. not working for some. it is being shown slowly but surely that you can change the training and the logistical arrangements surrounding police officer to change how they do their job. the shift that you worked as a junior police officer, if you habituate a young cop to seeing that from the earliest days,
studies show that is part of what cap make it harder. just changing the shifts that young officers work cap help to change things around. everyone up to the f.b.i. understanding that there's an unconscious bias to help us all this the ways that we run the agencies allowing people o make bad decisions. all of that seems to be - there is a chance of changing that in the future. >> i know this is not the interception, are we worried that this will be an excuse that someone uses for shooting a black man, that i got unconscious bias. >> it's interesting, but i think it goes to the opposite effect. professor and three others are running a 40 agency pilot to get a statistics gathered on the
racial identity of people who have been arrested, stopped on foot or in car, or officer involved shootings, it's an effort to police don't to get away from the oversight of the justice kept in cases like ferguson, and hand all of that data to app objective third party, trying to get them to look at it earlier. the threat of litigation is pushing police agencies to really embrace this science as opposed to backing away from it. >> thank you for bringing it to us. jake ward in san francisco. >> black, blue and you three perspectives of a problem that is not going away soon. that is our show for today. i'm ali velshi. thank you for joining us.
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