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tonight, silicon valley is a major growth engine for the u.s. economy, some say it represents the future. does it come at a price. is the tech industry harming u.s. workers. later in our panel. racial stereotypes are condemned as demeaning. some students say conforming to racial stereotypes helped them. are they right. cops in los angeles great to wear body cameras, rights groups
unhappy. i'm imran garda, and this is "third rail". >> information technology workers are being laid off and replaced by workers from india. >> immigrants, when they come they don't take away jobs, they create spobs. -- jobs. >> walt disney world and others, replaced by cheap foreign workers. >> they are paid 20% less, putting pressure on wages. >> it didn't matter if you had skills or not, only in the name of the dollar. >> we want the world's best to come here, to create and innovate ideas. >> this will create jobs for american workers. >> america has a secret record. the united states is a magnet sucking up the reins of the world. tonight we have robert, a
consultant, and ron, an immigrant from india, a research associate at the economic policy institute, co-author of "outsourcing america." gentlemen, great of you to join us. is the tech industry hurting american workers? >> absolutely, it's undercutting american workers. >> how? >> in a number of different ways. by bringing in the visa, forcing american workers to train their replacements. for example, you talked about disney, florida, it's gone on in lots of places where i used to live, up in rochester, and is undercutting wages. >> so we are up on the same page, what is an h-1b visa. >> it's a nonimmigranimmigrant it gives employer to bring in a worker over a period of time.
typically they center a bachelor's degree or higher the h-1b visa is a category of visa designed to help american businesses fill specialised positions. that's what they say, not to displace american workers. that's what is happening, right. workers are displace said. >> you have to take a step back and look at the economy. just a few years ago, the four pillars of our tech sector. ibm, oracle, intel had 10,000 job openings. if you go to glass door.com, you find many thousands of ip jobs. manufacturing released a skills gap report for 2015, reporting in the next decade they'll need to fill 3.5 million jobs. they don't think they'll fill 2 million of 2.5 million.
look at the big picture. >> america found twice as many workers with stem degrees. they are working as american citizens looking for work. >> let me tell you about the report. it uses a misguided and misleading statistic. that report undergrounds by 12 million, the number of jobs that need a form of stem education. that report wouldn't counselled the ce jo.. wouldn't count. a stem professor, teaching the future stem workforce is not considered as a stem worker. >> are you convinced by any of that? >> no, i'm not convinced by any of that. let's look at the facts of the leading firms are bringing in tens of thousands, firms that he
relates. the only reason they bring in them on h-1bs, they can pay less, not to fill a skills gap. it's because the workers can be paid less. >> are you saying there's not 207,000 job openings for engineers. >> there's not. there's no way to measure that. >> people filling out... >> let's look at what the h-1b visa programme is used for. used for ordinary it jobs. half for outsourcing firms like infosis. they are not filling the skills gap. they are forcing the workers who have the skills to train foreign replacements. >> the problem that we have is there are hundreds of thousands of jobs unfilled in this economy. unless we address it with better workforce policies, they'll find
a way offshore. the h-1b myth that he's inheriting for the last decade doesn't match-up with reality. for him to be right. economists would have to be wrong. >> let me add to that, adding to the president, mark zuckerberg, bloomberg, are they lying. saying there's a shortage of stem workers. >> let's look at it. it's in their interests to pump up supply. if you don't care about wages, you look at the scandal where you had google conspiring with apple. and this is at the top, eric schmitt the c.e.o., conspireing with the late hobbs, trying to keep scandal. they have an interesting way of keeping wages down. let's be clear, to not facebook or google.
it's companies that robert represents. these are based and have their worst in india. they are about to hire americans, replacing them with the guessworkers. the h-1b programme. saying it republicly to the worker, it should only be used when they can't find american workers. the majority of the programme - we are talking about hundreds of thousands, the majority of the programme is used for cheap labour to replace americans. let's look at some of these cases. there's two disney cases, a smaller lay off that was reversed. and they fired approximately five american workers, forcing them to train the foreign replacements on the h-1b visa. as a condition to get the severence packages, you are fine
with that? >> first and foremost. those practices are investigated now. obviously it's correct to say that we should name sure the laws are made effectively. again, taking a step back, looking at the big picture. i empathize. >> an se worker said a the supervisor told a group, we can get four indian guys for cheaper than the price of you. i heard that phrase in the gulf. there's not many good labour practices in the arab world. it's about the bottom line. this is the mentality. >> first, let's look at the bottom line. disney, edson, tech companies. it. that is a fixed cost. for any non-tech company, the purpose of it, for the disney
essence is to look for efficiencies. i emphasise with those who are displaced. i have been displaced from several jobs and been on the wrong end of interviews more times than most people. >> if you have to train the guy coming in... >> the reality is take a step back. you are suggesting that if - if we focus in on southern california, and the h-1b practices, that southern california and edson will thrown up their hands saying we shouldn't try to achieve efficiencies in it or lower the costs. if you think that, it's a false choice. absolutely not. the problem is what you are objecting to is the means to achieve efficiencies. the reality is - let me finish. there's not just an issue of efficiencies, which again if there efforts to do things in
circumvention of the law, it should be punished. >> let me give you an example. you can make al jazeera efficient by taking a 50% pay cut. that is what robert is saying? >> no, it's not. >> people in america should take a pay cut. >> no. >> these are guest workers, employer policy. you are intervening in the labour market. supply of labour. why are you intervening. you are paying for a skills gap. in reality, it's for profit. >> it's not to sigh the companies are villains. they are lobbying in a rags ail way to join mayor bloomberg in that group. they can replace the department with foreign guest workers. >> it's profits. >> but the fundamental problem is, and what both of you are escaping is the fact that we have skills gap in this country,
and for, again, iran to be right. it would require a conspiracy to be so vast, that i wouldn't be surprised if there's a white paper. >> it's a conspiracy. >> let's look at the facts. >> we met president obama, there's 50 members of the partnership, the new economy. they are saying there's a skills gap. >> so is the c.e.o. and laid off 5,000 workers. so does microsoft, laying off 18,000 workers. they laid off early and the programme is not used mostly in there. the h-1b programme is used almost exclusively, not exclusively, but for ordinary it workers. 83% are for pages that are 20% or 40% less than the average for ta occupation. >> 83%.
the vast major si are not for others. >> you are signalling out anebbing death. we are talking about tens of thousands. >> it's a company you are representing. >> i show the business model. >> 30,000. >> in the last 10 years. 30,000. 30,000 american jobs. >> you are talking over each other. >> absolutely... >> give rob a chance. >> you are talking about one visa as part of a larger immigration system, part of a larger policy failing to fill 775,000 current job openings. this is an economy that is going to need 180,000... ..let me finish. >> there's no such thing as job openings. we don't measure that. >> i want to diverse. it's a big issue here, a big part of this debate. yahoo! disclosed that african-americans made up 2% of its workers.
hispanics 4%. facebook reported in 2014 it employed 81 blacks among 5,000 u.s. workers. tech company employees tend to look like you or us, right. they are white males. brown from india. right. >> there's a fundamental problem here. >> absolutely. >> would you agree. >> i agree. >> the practices lead to a lack of diversity in the work place. >> i'm glad you are bringing this up. the fundamental principal, to get americans to study wouldn't be such an important issue if we didn't have a skills gap. we wouldn't have the discussion if we didn't have the skills gap that manufacturers say exists. >> so it does reflect the demograsks at play in terms of skills. >> no, it shows employers are bad employers, practices in terms of aid discrimination that
goes on in silicon valley, but in the it sector in the final services sector in new york city. there's rampant age discrimination, they are under-represented in hispanics and women. even compared to the job people, there are people out there who are capable. the other problem is tying it back in. the entry level jobs that they bring in my cousins from india are jobs that can be trained up. they go to boot camp. they learn the job. ibm could do na in the u.s. because it's so much more profitable. >> there was a terrific study done by the partnership, the economy that you referenced. that by 971,000 h-1b visas - you can laugh all you want.
>> basically out of the u.s. economy, as many as 231,000 jobs. >> i'll let that be the final one. in this part. i need to take a short break. coming up we talk to a tech entrepreneur who says there aren't enough qualified americans to go around. >> we have an acute skills gap. you can't find enough people that have the skills. >> you are playing with the numbers. >> you don't see numbers rising. >> later on. public school, how many kids are in the glass realise that making kids in the class, the computation will be fears. >> it's insane. >> and the first american town wiping off the map by climate change. >> the village is in danger. the water is coming up around them, there's no place to grow.
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pass [ ♪ ] the u.s. is in the middle of a major rebound. it's driven by technology. >> the economy is booming. it is not showing signs of a slowdown. >> it's the center of american capitalism. one could argue. >> billions pouring in. >> the disconnect. >> the practice displaced american workers. >> we were unable to provide... >> hiring h-1bs instead of americans mean you save money welcome back.
joining us now is biyorn, coming from germany as an exchange student. he's an ambassador for fwd.u.s., an advocacy group. you have done well for yourself. you are a success story, but you could not have done it due to the restrictions. why? >> absolutely. when i came to the u.s., and i came as an exchange student. i went to college, grad school. when you talked about entry level. i was entry level when i started my country. >> i applied in 2001 for permanent entry visa, there were enough visas for people like me to apply, and know if we had qualifications, we would be able to get the visa allowing me to start my company with two cofounders.
in 2008 there were not enough visas. the visas ran out on the first day that they became available. someone like me, if i graduated 10 years later. i couldn't have started my company. and now i probably would employ 30. >> that is to protect american workers. >> sorry, there's no (yorn in the future. that is to protect pt workers. >> i think the argument is very different. it's imingredient entrepreneurs that create jobs. they are arguing that workers should come in and replace american workers. >> no, the argument is that people that are highly qualified, even if they are entry level like i was, there's enough evidence. you look at the number of fortune 500 companies founded by immigrants. 30% of countries that are ipo
were founded or co-founded. >> the restrictions are not two types. let's do a couple of things. the h-1b programme is a guest worker programme. you cannot found the company on an h-1b visa, it's a guest worker programme. and the top employers, the ones using h1 become the most, are cognisant. eccentric. they are not sponsoring for permanent residency. >> they are the largest green card sponsor in the last 18 years. >> one out of 18. >> in terms of overall numbers. >> one out of 18. >> seriously. >> that is the scene. 18 are not sponsored for green cars. tata sponsors no one. these are not immigrants used for cheap labour. >> your story is not the typical
use. >> there are a few isolated instances. >> let's talk of how many visas they have got. >> they have 9,000 visas. >> here is the point. the company getting 9,000. there's not a chance for entry level people. a graduate student, toll come to the u.s. i had no connections. i could not apply for a family visa. there were no qualifications for me. without the h-1b programme, there's no path way for someone like me to come and start the economy. ultimately contributing. >> you are presenting a choice. are you saying that your situation, first off. is raising wages. it's not to end the h-1b programme. it's not to end the path to immigration. you want to make that. >> the reality is what you are
trying to do is ensure it's not used. it's used for specialised skill. >> you are making a point that we are seeing an immigration policy that is 30 years old. the economy was one-third the size that it is today. we are sitting on hundreds of thousands of job policies. we need better policies to align the american workers. the tech industry needs the american workers, and they need the american worker now more than ever before because we don't address the skill manufacturer. the jobs will be elsewhere. it hasn't been discussed. it's tragic. we have a green card problem, a backlog where extraordinary professionals have to wait. so born and ron's point is you
can't start a business. >> the current green card system is chasing people away. >> is it chasing people away. >> absolutely, and what we forget, the world has not stood still. when i came in the '90s, there was one country. in the way that american entrepreneurs did, and created an immense number of jobs. that is no longer the case. spaces for people. and all the studies show. all the studies show. >> it's a straight job. >> all the data shows that foreign students are coming in in record numbers to the u.s. and that the u.s. had the most welcoming place compared to other countries. we need to fix the system. >> they are not hiring graduates of u.s. university. 80% of cognisant h-1b workers
hold no more than a bachelor's degree. they came over the last 15 years, one of the largest sponsors in the united states. >> if you have a bachelor's degree and the job is set for you, you are not that genius that they were talking about in the set up piece. the geniuses. they have a degree. you have first dibs. they pay you less than the americans. >> what should be the concern is how to maximise work in the united states. how do we create an opportunity for work. work creates jobs, work creates higher incomes. biyorn is the poster child. we need policies to address the skills gap. everyone else seems to think it
exists. the reason why is it maximizes work. if there was a skills gap. wages are rising. we don't see it in the u.s. and the top 30 starting salaries, many have science technology... >> bjorn needs a visa to get into this discussion. >> i think the point about whether people are underpaid or over paid. the point is not whether you pay 5,000 or left. it costs more to apply for that. it's false to think that it costs the company's less. the point is it is not about what someone has on paper, finding the right person that creates a team that has the right... >> these are the geniuses that we are talking about. >> it's hand picked.
brilliant individuals. >> it doesn't need to be. it's not about paying people left. it's about getting the right job for the right person, and creating more wealth for everyone. >> you can't do that now. >> i cannot. >> everyone in austin texas, right now, we have an acute skills gap. someone on the back, and on the front. they'll get an interview and a job offer. right now in austin texas. we cannot find people. right now the unemployment rate is 3.4%. it was extremely high. engineering is 2.4%. do you know what, if you took an economics class, you know full employment is 4.5%.
that's under employment. what is underemployment. >> a shortage. >> the unemployed rate for lawyers is one thing. >> this is the united states. >> if you look at it. you have the family. >> this is the problem with the discussion. you are playing games with the numbers. >> let's ask you - what is your solution? >> it's straightforward. you raise the wages so that foreign walkers are paid. >> someone has special skills, not because they can be paid less. that's current law. >> you repeated current wage. >> it's not used for cheaper labour. you give america and crews. first without the jobs.
they are not wired for guest workers. >> and you put in, ensuring that workers don't play. >> you put a compliance worker. >> you give the workers the opportunity to blow the whistle. it's outrageous that they muzzle american workers. >> you were not able to bring an american worker on there. how outrageous is that. >> i think it was a talk about wages that's missing the large point. immigrants, when they come here, and apply themselves, they create american jobs. >> we had a lot of time. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. the thirted panel is next. . >> reviewing the tape will help you create an accurate report.
the yahoo! chief executive announced this week that she's pregnant, right. this time with identical twin girls. she said that she plans to "take limited time away from her office and will work through the leave", is she setting a bad example. the company has 16 weeks of leave. why doesn't she take the leave. >> it's intensely personal decisions. when they should be allowed to make the best for their families. if she is sending a message, she should be generated to the family and work. it's an incredible package. that is the limit of her responsibility. to her employees, male and female. and to suggest that she has to make a decision to satisfy other people in the company, i think, is a little inappropriate.
>> you don't think that young women, particularly young women who might get pregnant. she took two weeks. i want to keep my job. >> i see the point. >> i think the women of yahoo!. probably understand that the c.e.o. is not going to take a typical. she'll not come back to work in a typical way that others have to. i think with the first child that they had. she had the children in the office. i think most reasonable people understand that this is a typical understanding back to work scenario. >> do you agree? >> yes. it started to bother me that every move this woman makes is becoming a story. if she was a man, what happens with the family is not an issue to discuss. that, in itself bothers on a
first name basis. you were forced to be under a microscope. that to me is about the tech community than anything. should we not talk about her or should we talk about how much time mark zuckerberg is taking. >> i think you need to lit a women make a decision for her family. she is doing what she wants to do. that is all there is to it. it's a family decision. they make one decision, as a mum, she's making a different one. >> curtis, is this our business? >> it's not european, that's for sure. the c.e.o.s, regardless of the agenda. they live by the code that there'll be time to asleep, you take a dirt bath. he's the c.e.o., like carley fooeor een arunning, a
receptionist, a c.e.o. when you are c.e.o. you keep the focus. she probably has surrogates to deliver the baby, all the acouchments. if she was a receptionist. she'd have nothing. that's why receptionists. if they chose to would have more time at home. >> regardless, petry dish, the old fashion style. whatever. >> moving on. a few book called the asian american paradox. chinese, vietnamese and mexican. discovering some stereotypes. they would be good. >> when people think of asian americans, they thing of the modern minority stereotype. >> they are perceived to be more studious. >> they expect you to perform well. >> for asian students, it doesn't feel pressure, it feels like scaffolding or wind up the
sail. >> so the question is cannisterio typing maybe be a good thing, curtis? >> it's a dog gone good thing. >> yes. >> i'm a serial marrier, so i have many wives and children. but i - my latest venture, my two youngest sons with mel inteda cats -- melinda cats are in a school. how many asian kids in their class. i realise if it's asian kids, it's accelerated, the competition with maths and science are accelerated. and they are raised jewish. that's the way it was for me. >> the other side of the coin, right, is that stereotyping with kids is generally racist, discrimination and it's mean. >> the italians, mexicans - what do you need to read from the class. there wasn't... >> is that a good thing, will it motivate you?
>> absolutely. it motivates mexicans and italians to do better. they are in with the asians and the jew us. those from north africa are highly motivated. sometimes you go to your own home. you have a book in your hand. you work as a labourer, you are in construction and you have to earn money. there's not a propensity to push you. >> i'm sorry, this is insane. what are we talking about here. motivating kids is what is called - you don't have to worry about stereotypes, as much as it is construction of materials. the overall system in provide schools is at a problem point if we are worried about stereotypes. there's a reason you are required to go to school. >> looking at the one asian student. they told them that they are a c
student. the result, they raised the grade. >> it's basic motivation. >> it's motivation that was plugged into a general stereotype. >> let's say i'm trying out for a basketball team. if someone makes be a starter. it doesn't mean i didn't want to do it beforehand, it means you are in a spot where people are paying attention, teachers are doing that anyway. >> i think from the study, it was fascinating to see how high expectations - if you expect certain students to excel, and you treat them like they are going to excel, they meet that expectation many times. this is information that is important for educators. to really be careful of stereotyping children. the study said hispanic children
are not thought to me. and i think that it's important for educating. the study is important. if you treat students in a certain way. they may meet your expectations. it's important to treat more students. >> then again, look at the caps. sorry, we can't accept you, why - we have hit our limit of bright young asian students, sorry, you'll have to go to another university. can you cap them because they are doing well. i want to follow in the footsteps. there's a lot of peer pressure on them. for those groups not doing well... >> it's a different matter. >> let's go back to the basic classroom level discussion of a teacher telling a black kid, who would rather be in the library saying you should run the it 100
metres. >> that will come from the home boys and girls, saying what are you studying for. you know what it means. you know the pressure is to dumb down young men and women. >> i think it's more faulty than you realise. >> it's outrageous the stereotype. >> it is a little bit ... >> that's a stereotype for a reason. >> do you think every kid is worried about street cred? >> that's not the case, that's the problem. you assume certain people could be available with resources in the community, are not. that is the problem in the community. to motivate, be better and learn something. >> it's pressure from their own group. >> if they teach it to do what the parents or those who are mentoring are not doing. >> it's not about pressure.
it doesn't have to have a negative stigma. it can be about motivation. stereotypes involve negative stigmas, pressure is not what you are talking about. you are talking about making kids want to the live better lives. >> looking at some of the details of the study, it found among chinese immigrants 60% of the men and 40% of the women had bachelor's degrees. compared to 20%. and said the children of mexican immigrants had the lowest, 70% graduating from college. some of this is kind of uncomfortable. is there truth in the stereotypes. >> i think it's very hard. look, i think that teachers work with the kids every day. they see this. they have to struggle with parents who might not be instilling good values about education, peer groups that may not be instilling good values about importance of studying and
doing well. i do think that in the classroom, it is important that educators are careful. about how they treat students. and that they treat everyone equitably. it's clear if you tell and child and give them the feeling that they have to excel, they do. often it's limited to the asian students. >> it's about motivating kids. l.a.p.d. officers have been patrolling the streets. some right groups are not hap. >> los angeles is the latest city to equip police with body cameras. >> officers will be allowed to review the footage before filing reports. >> president obama and others see body cameras as increasing
accountability. >> giving officers an advantage of looking at the video. >> does it be tray that principle. cops have the body cameras, they can review the footage before writing the report or giving sometimes to the internal investigators. each police don't has the nuances, when you talk l.a. you are talking robo cops. they got the shades on. estrada. >> i call them full cops. >> no good cops. >> that's why you need to keep a camera on them. >> you don't trust them. >> never trust them. >> cops in certainly. you need to fill everything they are doing. including the dunkin' donuts line. >> let them review something that they can't read. >> it looks like there's a
prescription written by a doctor. do not let them look at the film and, let's say, cultivate it. the testimony. >> it's an bilityive record of what happened. >> that is like clinton saying i want to refresh your memory. so they can alter it. they should have the memory in tact. >> i don't agree. i think the situations, the violent situations, i think the memory is not always a good source of information. i think that reviewing the tape will help you to create a more accurate report. >> also. there's a first option of altering the narrative because maybe the picture can't tell the whole story. >> they can't alter the tape. as long as policies are in place that they can't alter or change the tape, i think that in order to write a more accurate report,
they should be allowed to re view it. >> they were captured on video. they attempted to change the scene. we will not have that. it fades into his point. the point that sometimes cops lie. >> yes. . >> they try to alter the scene of the crime. >> this is the problem inherently, you have to add an extra level of trust to law enforcement when a lot of people, the entry level of trust is not there. hopefully the idea of having a camera on you affect the business you make before. if you are in a situation where you have a video tape, it's 2015, you can do a lot of stuff to video. >> they don't have editing tools on the laptop. >> what's the point. >> professionals can analyse it, the caps can't alter it.
>> you don't know that. this is the concern. if you leave the decision up to people who are responsible for it, obviously things will happen. >> that's the situation. this is the equist lent of a line-up. a shot or a stab. you get one look. you pick the right guy or guys. that's it. you don't get a chance to look at the mug shot. making it fair and square. you look to refresh your memory. that gives an advantage. they know collusion better than people in the streets. in the streets, there's stitches, ending up in bitches. >> when was the last time. >> do they deserve do have a camera as a supervisor. >> as long as it's always
running. i don't want permission to turn it on and off. obviously it's to their advantage. let the camera run. at the end of the day you start it over again. >> i think they turn it on when they actually - i could be wrong - i think they are instructed to turn it on when they engage with another person. >> different department, different policies. in d.c. there was a concern if you filmed everything, it would create too much work as far as reviewing the tape. a lot of people on the ordinary side - if the work prevents one robbery, so be it. >> don't low enforcement officers given the nature of the batch, the prestige of the job. don't they deserve a certain amount. >> it's about the gun. >> this is an area. >> what about the level of trust that the, hey, you are a civic servant here, doing a job to keep us safe.
we trust your narrative. >> listen to what you are saying of the the purpose of the cameras if the level of trust was there. it almost contradict itself to say we'll have cameras, you need to know. this will validate a good cop. whether it's male or female. but it will flush out the road cops, the anyhow cops. no one in the department rats out a cowboy cop. all of a sudden, in baltimore, where it's alleged the driver of the police wagon took them on a rough ride. do you think anyone would chime in. they went to the union delegates, and they are not saying nothing. the defense attorney has them. >> you think they should push in the cops lose the right to review the footage. >> i'm not going to give anything. i'm don't want to victim.
i want you to based on the knowledge of the situation, let the facts indicate what happens. >> we have run out of time. it's fascinating. thank you very much for your time. straight ahead, our correspondent taughts to native -- talks to native alaskans fighting to keep their town from washing away. >> the people are incredibly resill yeftenlt being resilient is a huge part of culture. >> this is identified as a people. if we move, we lose our identity. it's hard to believe that a friend would set you up. people don't get federal life sentences... and beat them. >> they had been trafficking on behalf of the united states government. >> the cia admitted it.
president obama went to larveg and saw first -- alaska, and saw first hand climate change on the environment. here is what he said. >> if something threatened to wipe out an american town, we'd do everything in our power to protect ourselves. claek poses the -- climate change poses the same threat. >> one is a town home to 4,000 eskimos, and it will be one of the first american towns to be submerged by rising sea levels. we visited the area and saw the threat and she joins us from anchorages. thank you for joining us libby
casey. the army corp of refugees indicates that it will be loft in a decade. were the people you talked to happy to here president barack obama is fighting on their behalf? >> absolutely. they are thrilled he is coming to the backyard to see how they live and what climate change is doing. >> people are used to coming and going. there's a lot of journalists coming through, they have a lot of state-wide politician, and the question is what happens after everyone leaves. people are focused on what the president's visit will mean in the long term. will it climate change anything. >> let's take a look at some of your thoughts. >> this eskimo rerls on the sea and -- relies on the sea and land for food and a way of life - hunting most of what he eats. that is getting harder. >> in the last five years alone,
i see a decline in our takes for the whole year. my family has one, normally we have 14 or 15. >> reporter: not only is it harder for hunters, but the village has been increasing in danger. the council chief has to help figure out what to do. >> i worry about the entire community. the place is identified. >> if you move, we lose our yited. we lose who we are. >> i'll help them move. i am not going to leave. personally, i want to die here. it's my home. >> libby, you have spent years of your life in alaska. viewers look at pictures. it doesn't look like much. what is so important to these people that keeps them there in the face of this threat? >> beauty is in the eye of the beholder. you are not going to see
manicured lawns in the village. you may see machine parts in someone's front yard, and see old bones from a moose hunt from last season. you might see a shed that is sort of lopsided and tacked on to a house. we have to remember for these people, their front yard is not their kingdom, that's not their casment. they spend time in the wilderness. that is the place giving their tradition. people, for whom many lived here, and they have lived here for thousands of years, and their version of home is the land around them. >> let me give you a hit. how does this make you feel to know that parts of the state are facing this threat and sinking away? >> i'm an alaskan by choice. i came up as a back packer in college. i planned to stay for the
summer. i fell in love with it. i didn't want to leave and stayed for 10 years. one thing i learnt from living in alaska, is people are resilient. the alaskan people are resilient. that is a huge part of their culture, and is something that attracted me and many to the lifestyle up here. the people have to be involved in what happens to them. that is the big take away. history coming in, telling people what to do. everything from stopping the traditional way of life. drumming, dancing, settling down. it's time to make sure the people are the ones who are calling the shots. >> so good to hear your experiences. libby casey in anchorage, alaska. that does it for this like. the conversation continues on the website. i'm imran garda, goodnight.