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tomorrow. i'm ali velshi "on target," pipeline politics, hillary clinton taking sign on keystone xl, what took her so long. plus, have mercy, what do do with philadelphia homeless, while the pope is in town. >> the political football known as the keystone xl got picked up and kicked this week by hillary clinton. the democratic presidential candidateneded months - really years - of hemming and
haing and came out against the pipeline. you'll recall that the keystone xl would run 1200 miles from canada's oil sands to nebraska, and link up with existing pipelines that run to the u.s. gulf coast. environmentalists are vehemently opposed to it. republicans for it. clinics suggest clinton chose the day to announce the decision as if her timing had something to do with the pope's push on glaeng, but that -- climate change, that's not why i'm cynical. my reasons are to do with what hillary clinton said and what he refused to say before this week about keystone xl. way back in 2010, when she was secretary of state she said to a questioner at the commonwealth club in san francisco: we have not signed off on it, but we are inclineded to do so, and we are
for several reasons. we are either going to be dependent on the dirty oil from the mid east or dirty oil from canada. at that point she took a stand on a project that the state department had to approve. several years later, hillary clinton started to give bizarre non-answers about the keystone xl saying it wouldn't be "appropriate." for her to state a position, because she had served as a secretary of state and the decision was now in the hands of the successor. john kerry and president obama. >> here is what clinton said in july in response to a question about keystone. >> i want to wait and she what he and secretary kerrry decide. >> if it's undecided i'll answer your question. >> how convenient. >> this week, on an issue that they are opponent for the nomination has long opposed.
>> i oppose it, and i oppose it because i don't think... [ clapping ] ..i don't think itst it's in the pest interests of what we need to do to combat climate change. >> so just to recap, hillary clinton has gone from suggesting she support the keystone pipeline to refusing to answer questions on the keystone xl pipeline, to out line proposals. it's part of the insanity of pipeline politics, it's a game played by democrats and republicans, and organised labour groups, by environmentalists who hate it. and the problem is that it's all a big distraction from the real issue of whether building the pipeline is or is not in america in america's best interests. as you expect, many
environmental groups applauded the decision to oppose keystone xl. the sierra club was one of them releasing a statement saying: michael bruin is the executive director of the sierra club and joins us from washington. thank you for joining us, you've been an opponent of keystone xl since it was first proposed in september 2008. bernie sanders has also opposed it from the beginning. hillary clinton's stance on this is weak at this point. >> well, it's good that these opposed to the pipeline. we are happy with her decision. it would have been better to hear it a couple of years ago. the person that we care about the moment is president obama. he also should have rejected his pipeline. we are confident he'll eventually do it, and do it
soon. >> you opposed the pipe line, but the united states has 2.6 million miles of pipeline right now, i would - i would guess that things you do during your day depend on fuel that is transported through the pipelines. why did you get mad about this one. >> here is the thing. we use a lot of oil. there's a lot of pipelines out there. the reality that we have to confront is climate change is real. it's getting worse, the biggest way to address it is to turn away from fossil fuels and embrace clean energy. we know we will not be able to stop using oil storm, next week or this year. it will take a long time to get off oil. our point is that we shouldn't make the problem worse. we shouldn't extend it. >> how can it make it worse? no american is doing to consume a drop less oil because it didn't come through the keystone pipeline. >> there's two things. this oil is dirtier than conventional oil.
it's dirty, harder to extract and more emissions. it's worse. it makes the problem of oil dependent worse. >> right. >> the second thing is the production of oil in the alberta tar sands is landlocked. they are just about at maximum capacity, 90% capacity. they want to go from producing $2 million a day to four, maybe up to six million barrels a day. the only way to do that, to expand production of the dirtiest oil on the planet is to build more pip lines. if we defeat the pipeline oil production in alberta will not expand. >> with all due respect, you know that's not true. the chinese will buy every last drop of that, and the canadians are pursuing a plan to make the pipeline for the west coast where they'll go to shipping points and china. >> they have not been able to build them. there's more opposition going
through british columbia than the keystone xl coming to the south. there's opposition in canada. it has not been able to build the pipelines to the east. it's true they want to, they want to build pipelines through the west coast, through vancouver to ship it to india and china, and build pipelines to the east to ship to europe and other countries, but have not been able to do so. it's only the pipeline to the u.s., the keystone xl that has had ein a chance -- even a chance. into let's go back to the argument they want to expand the oil. you are right, they are landlocked. they got the oil out through rail. the volume of canadian volume shipped by rail to the u.s. increased 10 foam. without keystone xl, there'll be 49 more injuries and six more deaths if oil is transported by rail. this is an area i'm close to. i'm worried about lack maggento,
and all you see by the river are railcars with hundreds of cars containing oil. this is unsafe. >> it is. >> i grew up near philadelphia, and live in the san francisco bay area, where oil trains are coming through there. we can agree on that. there's regulations coming through the obama that start to adjust the problem and don't go all the way. it won't keep us safe. here is the thing. the thing is that we cannot expand oil development. the amount coming on rail has grown. the numbers are misleading, it's a tiny amount. they won't be able to get 20% of the capacity. they will not be able to fulfil the goals in terms of volume of production. that will not happen, you will not find an expert that says that with a straight face. >> i talked to experts that said
at grain terminals, that they can't get grain rots, because they can't get priority on the rail. i agree you can't ship as much oil today as you can buy pipeline, but the oil companies will spend every last dollar to get to market. i get your point. you and i don't disagree on this, oil stands is filthy oil. i'll have emails from kain aidians saying how can you say that. the goal is to consume less oil, and you are dealing with it from the production side. >> sure we are. we are doing it from both sides. we have to limit supply and reduce demand. and we have. >> we have, you are right. into we cut u.s. consumption by 3 million barrels of oil every day. seven days a week, 365 days a year. leggulations that are in place will cut the consumption
further. supply and demand are listened. we have to reduce the consumption on oil, switch to electric vehiclesing plug half in hybrids and learn how to get around using graen transportation, mass transportation and start limiting the amount of supply. >> you are talking about infrastructure. america has done some job of doing it on its own. the price to make oil profitable from fracking in america is in the high 50s. from oil sands it's in the mid 40, which is where oil is. it's profitable for them to do it. and at 44-$45 bucks, americans are not as prone to switch to the low consumption as they are when oil is $100. >> figures in the tar sands are different. we see mines shut down, expansion plans slowing down because it is difficult to
produce oil at those price, and difficult to find oil that is provability. we are talking about companies that are hurting. >> i don't think oil that stays at this price, let's assume it goes up to 55 or 60 bucks a barrel. they are definitely making money. >> i don't see much growth in the industry. that pipeline will not be built, in part because it's difficult to build the pipeline to the west and east. they'll find great difficulty selling the product on the open market as more consumers are concerned against climate change and oil consumption in the u.s. is going down. chinese oil consumption will peak. we'll see a decline in the amount of oil used. >> the republican candidates, a number of them said the first thing they do is rip up the iran deem. they'll approve keystone xl. what do you think of that? >> look at the republicans
position on energy and climate. it's almost funny. weather is happening. which is interesting. marco rubio says america is not a planet. which is accurate and informative. we are concerned about the prospect of any republican candidate. maybe someone will emerge or change their mind. at this point it's hard to see a viable candidate who is speaking like an adult and acting serious about one of the biggest changes facing the country. >> michael bruin, the executive director of the sierra club, the dollar of "coming clean", a visit from the pope put a long-time problem. they do all these things, what about homeless people. they are still out here suffering. >> that's "on target" next. keep it here.
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homeless. after a brief stop he heads it to philadelphia, having some of phillies homeless. many live on the streets and sleep in the area where the pope will celebrate his open-air mass on sunday. what happens to the homeless then? mary snow has the story. >> reporter: in the shadows of the pomp and the tight security that will great the pope in philadelphia, the hungary line up for food. this stretch along a park way is where dozens of homeless sleep on any given day. it's in the direct path of the pope's public events. >> they can do all this stuff, but what about homeless people out here suffering in the struggle. >> reporter: keith found a home after living on the street. that is not the case for this couple who asked not to be identified. >> we are not saying that the pope is not a friend. but what i'm saying is the path they are taking is too much.
it's way too match. and then you do something, he wants to see. you are taking a way what you want to see. he's about helping the homeless people. >> reporter: jamilla and william have been trying to get into a shelter, but it's the pope's visit that got them in. and the man that helped them is sam. an outreach worker. he's been getting the word out that tight security has helped many and offers other options. most of the time it's not right now, i'll do it later, and it's not completing negative or positive. the outreach was inspired in part by the pope's visit to the philippines. there were reports that hundreds were bussed out during a visit. >> that made us clear that that will not happen.
it's so controversial. that invigorated efforts to make sure people were treated well. >> will o'brien said the outreach teams had been working with the city to make sure the homeless were treated with dignity or force. >> they pushed. for all the planning at city hall, there's an anxiety. >> what is the busy worry. agencies to have the homeland security service who are familiar with those that reside out there. to have the issue that it can become a disaster. >> david says that the city will have outreach teams in key zones along the papal past. as the faithful flocked to the city of brotherly love and offered prayers, the homeless are counting on more than home, and concrete help on daily
reality. we said we don't want this to be a $47 million of timmic ceremony, pomp and magnificent without struggles in the city. >> mary, they are worried about what happens when the pope is there. what happens to the homeless after the pope leaves. >> they were waiting for months to get into a shelter, suddenly they can. the city says the shelters added resources for the visit. they are saying they cannot tell people to leave. this highlights the problem that they have with shelters being in full capacity. of the nation's top 10 cities. >> we studied that. one of the issues is that the homeless be treated with dignity in the next coming days. what are some of the biggest concerns? >> arrest. and some of the people we spoke to are aware that this is going
to be tight security, and that dogs will be brought here to sweep the area and they are afraid of officials coming in. and as you know, so many of these people have mental illness or substance abuse problems, it's hard to convince them to leave. >> it's hard if you look at permanent housing if you are arrested. >> we'll stay on top of that. >> next - the new face of heroin diction. sale dad o'brien joins me to discuss how heroin makes its way to the mid class doorstep.
heroin addiction in american has a new face, it's the face next door. no longer seen just in the inner cities, heroin use is growing fast in the suburbs. my good friend got a first hand looking at what heroin is doing to young people outside of cincinnati. here is a look at the new documentary heroin u.s.a. >> that's one of hour spots for when we've had a lot of activity. >> reporter: on the front lines, spike jones, the police chief of covington kentucky. >> the type of people we see that are drug addicted are not just people passed out in alleyways, they are people from
suburbs, from successful families. they are not what you would imagine. >> the number of heroin users across the country soared 82% between 2007 and 2013, to 681,000. >> and how much of your time is spent focused on heroin? >> a lot. >> chief jones works with crime seen investigators john bayless, and they show some heroin seized during recent arrests. >> what would something like this cost a heroin user? >> anywhere between $15 or $20. it can be cooked down, put into a syringes and shot up. it's an inexpensive price for a long high. >> we catch people often in their car ready to shoot up. they get caught all the time. >> we found people with kids in car seats in the back. >> shooting up. >> and mum and dad passed out
shooting back. >> amazing. soledad joins me down. heroin has made its way to the middle class. what's pushing the trend. >> pd prescription drugs. you had a lot of people becoming addicted to the prescription drugs, they couldn't afford them, heroin was a high that matched the prescription drug high. something like oxicontin. if you contact get the pills on the black market. you may have to go to heroin which is $15 for a hit. now, you become an adib. and this is the only way you could feel normal. >> you were at a lace where use of heroin jumped. what makes this a center. >> it's a corridor. it's interesting. we could paying is number of
cities and downs in the rates. you would have said that question. we are in statin island. hey, you're in vur mont. what made that a center. the problem is it is so hard to control, catch folks, cure people of an addiction, spiralling out of control. and where you have police chief. they have a dozen officers. it's not like he has a massive metropolitan task force. there's a couple of paramedics, and officers, all trying to figure out what is happening to the community, some communities are rural. this is, as you know, right, the ohio kentucky border. parts of that is rural, and there's big city elements too. >> a lot of people that don't know much about heroin know it's so highly addictive that in many cases the situation is to switch
you on to methadone. you'd see the clinics more than you expect. in these suburban places are they able to treat the addiction. >> the rates of treatment is poor. most had not been to rehab, one, two, three, five seven times, 14 times, 16 times. and these are young people who had been addicts for a couple of years. clearly it's difficult to figure out how to break the addiction. the parents of many addicts told us about how much debt they went into. >> 77,000 including buying the stuff back that his daughter stole. including drug treatment. everything. and she is clean, has been clean for four years, working on becoming an addiction
counsellor. what a struggle, and that's not really the case for most people. she went to gaol. she went to prison: you know from the work done, that there are code works, urban poor and not poor, you have seen the addiction grow for middle class, middle number factly homes where there are personalities. >> that's the unfortunate way we think. they are families reading white middle cast. there's a stigma with that. often families don't want to talk about it. a lot of shame. that keeps it underground. we see more now say they'll talk about what killed the child so more understand. the other interesting thing is
african-americans are not prescribed pain medications as frequently as white people. there's a sense that their pain is not managed as effectively. >> they are not developing the addiction to pain-killers. >> where do you think we are in the story of the heroin. do you think it's getting worse? >> i think it's bad. i'm surprised people are not yelling from the rooftop. when it gets into the small towns where it's impossible to track. they have tiny police forces that cannot do it. it's eidy to transport. cheap. once you are an addict, your brain changes, it's hard to break the addiction. >> great o to see you, tough topic. >> soledad o'brien has a documentary, you can watch to this sunday night, right here on al jazeera america that is the show for today. thank you for joining us. the news conditions now on al
jazeera america. >> pontiff in new york - pope francis begins his visit to america's largest city. >> once you enter the famous doors on fifth avenue, you became an official new yorker. >> with evening prayers at st. patrick's before preparing to address the u.n. and celebrate mass at maddison square guard erps. challenging a nation. >> we can m