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>> if you have an agenda with people, you sometimes don't see the truth. >> "talk to al jazeera". monday, 6:00 eastern. only on al jazeera america. ploegs ploes breaking news. police raid a paris suburb hitting the suspected hideout of the mastermind behind last week adds attack. >> someone arrived mean to put up two people for three days, i did it for three days, it's normal, had i known, do you think i would have done it. >> we are told two are death,
several others arrested. francis hollande holding an emergency session with his government as we speak. [ explosion ] major operation in france is over. nearly 8 hours after gunfire and explosions ring out in a paris suburb. >> police stormed that apartment. >> morning, welcome to your world. breaking news, two suspects are dead after an early morning police operation. at least seven people have been detained feigned. five officers wounded. >> a woman set off a suicide bam, believed to be the cousin of the mastermind of the attacks in paris on friday, abdelhamid
abbaaoud. >> dana lewis reports from paris. you are getting new information. tell us what you know. the newest information came from the prosecutor here, identifying this woman, who blew herself up. they are saying that she was the cousin of abdelhamid abbaaoud. it is important to note that abdelhamid abbaaoud was never thought to be here. he was thought to be in syria. certainly he made claims that he was in syria, that he had gone through a checkpoint boasting
that he examined the i don't have. his own fofl and let mim go. if appeared according to the prosecutor that they had good indications that he was here, based an telephone accounts. leading them to northern paris, not far from the said um. about a mile from there. at the end of it, you have seven arrests. some arrested in the department. and you have two killed inside, one a cousin, and another killed in exchanges. what pa agreementic turn. >> the -- a dramatic turn.
>> the site is where two suicide attackser are aiming. have authorities saying anything about the suspects, and whether one is abdelhamid abbaaoud. >> they have not said whether it was abdelhamid abbaaoud or salah abdeslam. they went there saying they went there based on a tip. the s.w.a.t. team was there. one of the police dogs, diesel. a belgium german shepherd was killed as he went through the door. obviously it had unexpected resistance. and that's when it ramped up to over 100 soldiers and squad
police. laying siege to that apartment. >> the french president francis hollande, who is expected to speak shortly, we'll take it live. he took part in an emergency meeting. what else can you tell us about what came out of emergency meeting in recent days. >> there is what they are saying to the public and behind the scenes. they have to act on information and under the state of emergency she wants to extend by three months, they have to be able to gone, arrest, ditain, seat up roomed blocks, control the border. it seems that there's a free flow of radicals, and explosives across the border.
that is something that they have to ensure to the french people that they are able to provide security and have a better engagement with the counterparts, intelligence and information sharing much at the same time, how did abdelhamid abbaaoud escape radar. add them all up. seven suicide bombers from friday night. two finaling sieves, it's about -- fugitives. it's about 14 members of a very well. i have never covered a cell that big, operating happily. and in views they are in town. wednesday they are in town. alluding authorities. they have done a good job at tracking them down, getting to them before it occurs. >> it's a good point. the concern is they were sleeper
cells. fighters that were planning attacks. but these were known radicals to the paris authorities, but nothing could be gun. that is the concern of parisians, french and european citizens. >> just this morning turkey announced that ag men coming from syria have been arrested. they were tourists. there were no hotels rented. they find plans, maps and notes that they were going to come through europe, greece, macedonia, they are identified by turkish media assist members of i.s.i.s. so you have a trail which it teems like an open road of people coming out of syria,
carrying out attacks or are back in europe. the french intelligence agency has been 4,000 staff, 2,000 of these people mark said as radicals, returning from syria. these are not lone wolves, it is not a guy that would step on a high speed train, they are on the radar and identified. he is one of the most wanted men in france. they were unable to stop him. salah abdeslam, one of the brothers, he blew himself up. he was in a car with those that carried out the attacks. he was stopped no less than three times hours after the attacks friday nights on his way back on belgium. he called someone asking for a ride. they let him go three times.
was he in the apartment. that's a good question. >> we have adam raney on the scene since the raids began in saint-denis. about noon time people are allowed to go back to the apartments, as they go back, do they feel safe? >> no, i do not thing the people in this community feel safe. we've been walking around. the shops are shut up save a few. it's like a ghost down. people walking around the town. people did not know what was happening. there were loudst plogs, and when this took place, they thought they were under attack, it was not necessarily a police
rate. >> from what you are understand of course, was this action that happened this reasoning a certain for suspects or an attempt to thwart an attack they believe is imminent. >> we don't have this action. it appears it was a search. what i know is all the security forces were edgy, raising their weapons at us and others, pushing them back. telling us to turn the camera off. we have seen aggressive, edgy unpredictable situation. >> i'm going to apologise in
advance because as you know we have been following the conference of players and waiting for francis hollande to speak. it's my understanding he's at the podium. >> translation:..that of being capable of confronting the circumstances. at this moment, as i address you, a police officer which is not as particularly dangerous and grave has come to an end. it was aimed at indecent assault ralizing terrorists hold up in saint-denis, linked to the terrorists and the owedius crimes of friday evening. two of the terrorists were killed, and there was question.
i imagine they fear since the we headquarters of this morning. and i should like to salute their calm and cool and express gratitude to the may air who experienced the terrorist attack on the stade de france on friday, and who was in last night by the side of security forces who launched their raid. i should like to express gratitude. our admiration to the forces of law and order, to the police force who launched the
operation. they knew the danger. and doubtless underamounted the violence they'd be confrond bip. they went to the edge of their mission. several were wounded and i would like to spare a thought for police men and others who went to the area in terrifying circumstances to smoke out of the terrorist and neutralize them as well. ladies and gentlemen, prance it crowd to mobilize these forces which are protecting us.
at least 129 persons were killed, lost their life. with these men and women, we are thinking about their families what have been thrown in pain, grief. this attack has hit parry. but these attacks concern all the french, because it is the intirn country that has been attached for what it represents, values it holds to eradicate them. and will for the simply reason of what we are.
i aim at the idea of for instance, what happened throughout the generation, the liberty that france has. this is what has been attached during the night of 13 november. because this barbaric people in the yind violence targeted the diversity of the french people. irrespect of the origin, colour. it was the youth of france that was the tart. it represented the vitality and the lib ert yip. simply peaking, life. the emotion is iminns, the anger -- immense, the anger immense. every one of us feels compassion
to the victims, following the attacks. at the same time, a demand for action. [ technical difficulties ] ♪ ♪ le we appear to have lost our audio. that is french president francis hollande, addressing the conference of mayors in paris, telling those gathered that two terrorists killed - that being his words. he spoke about the fear saying it was fear that was palpable in that area because ifs away from stade de france. we have re-established that communication. here against the french president francis hollande. >> the multiplisty and very
sense tifsies of france. >> there's no difference between the territories that make up our home. there are only men and women of duty, universal french which is conscious of their obligations to the republic. we know that you very much at heart had this approach that would prevail. on monday, before the government reassembled in congress, i expressed the measures against the terrorists. first of all, there is the international support, the security forces have been reinforced. the aircraft carrier has been
mobilized and set out more the middle east. they are reinforcing our capability to trike. i urge the community to make sure they take part in an effort to annihilate dash, and monday i'll be in washington. thursday in moscow so talk with president obama about the question of coordination to work in a derld way to achieve the objective. we have formed a broad base coalition, which will make decisive strikes on d.a.e.s.h., on i.s.i.l.
we have to do it making sure that we are internationally together. i note not all countries have the same allies, but what is at stake is to put an end to this army, which threatens the entire world and not just certain countries over others. it is this mission which i'm determined to achieve, and through its army, france will play a major role in the settlement of the conference. >> in terms of our own country i decided since the night of the
tragedy, that we should re-establish control of our front ears respectic european commitment. i have extended a state of emergency on the recommendation of the prime minister and representatives from overseas so everyone should be able to confront the threat. i put forward french president francis hollande speaking before a council of mayors in paris, which was attacked friday killing 129 people. the french army will play a major role, and he says france will play a role militarily. we'll take a short break, there's a lot of developments
coming out of france much more of that on the other side. side. >> this linked the mafia and the church. >> why do you think you didn't get the medal of honor? >> i can't allow you not to go into that because that is your job. >> we gonna bring this city back one note at a time. >> proudest moment in my life.
. >> back to the story, a major police ray. an apartment was raided, and seven suspects have been arrested. five officers were hurt in the raid. >> we are learning two people were killed, the dead included a woman that wore an explosive vest and blew herself up. she is was the cousin of abdelhamid abbaaoud. this is what we know he is a
belgium of moroccan dis-sen, believed to be in his -- dissent, believed to be in his late 20s. he spent time fighting along side i.s.i.l. >> the other subject is he is 26, salah abdeslam, and his other brother blew himself up. it's not clear whether either of these men were were nabbed. we want to go to washington. former fbi profiler, a lot breaking, if you would. take us inside the minds of these people. we know that they are relatives. they are looking to reach out to family, and is that where the focus of the investigation will go? >> well, the focus has to go to the family, for more background information and intelligence,
but in terms of the suspects and the mind-set. the idea that they are so committed to carrying out a suicide mission suggests that this is going to end badly for additional groups. whether there are large or small. >> does that mean, excuse me for cutting you off. does that mean if you are a law enforcement officer that you should believe that you will confront someone, that negotiation is off the table. you have to take action and shoot first. they have to assume that they will not yeght. it's the briefing that they have been given. these people will kill and be killed. the negotiation squad is on the scene. these are not people that will
be willing to negotiate. they won't be. a lot is understood. these are mission oriented individuals that they are going after. what will the experts be doing right now? >> they'll have a variety of forensic experts in there, they'll have the bomb text, people, an expertise. d.n.a. and they'll be collecting every bit of material that they can to understand what went into the bomb making. who the individuals are, they want to make sure they confirm their identity and any other material that would tell them about what is used. they'll have an array of scientists collecting evidence and collecting it properly.
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back. it has been a very busy morning, so far. the latest happening in france, french authorities say a major police raid is now over. they were looking for suspects in connection with the planning of friday's paris attacks. >> two died during the eight hour raid and five police officers were hurt. seven suspects are under arrest. we don't know their identities at this point. the whereabouts of the suspected mastermind be abdelhamid abaaoud. they originally thought he had gone back to syria, but it
>> for almost half a day now, it's been shut down and in lockdown as hundreds of security forces came in here, hundreds of medical personnel. we heard about these injured police. there were also the two deaths, so this was a major confrontation. it's not clear yet if they were trying to stop and attack here or if they were just acting on tips to try to bring these people to justice. a lot of this is going to keep coming out today and in the coming days. the main thing that people are in france and paris especially going to want to know is where is abdelhamid abaaoud, because these people have shown to be
extremely dangerous targets and keep slipping through the authorities fingers. >> this cell now has grown to 14 suspects with the arrests this morning. the people where you are awakened in the early morning hours in saint dennis, told to evacuate. they heard explosions, gunfire. how safe do they feel? >> the people -- >> and if you -- >> they don't feel safe at all. >> if you'll pause for a moment. i want to take us back to the conference of mayors, the mayors now standing in unison. ok. go ahead, i'm sorry, adam. they had just wrapped. it was one of the those moments we were trying to capture on live television. you know how live television goes. >> so what you had here, of course, dell, we do. what you had here was people in the middle of the night around
4:00 a.m. hearing what they thought were bombs, hearing gunfire and this was just four days after the deadliest attacks on french soil since world war ii and their first thought is this is another attack, we are in serious danger. then in the hours after, they realized it was a major police operation. keep in mind after the january attacks in paris on charlie hebdo and the days that followed when they were tightening the news around suspects, there was another attack at this kosher supermarket that led to many more deaths. people know there is a great risk as the police and military try to bring the suspect to say justice, that because there could be casualties of more innocent citizens caught up in this mix and people are very edgy and very nervous and very afraid at times. >> adam, part of our team on the ground, when he arrived at the scene, the police pulled the weapons on them. it is a very precarious situation in france at this
hour, tempers and feelings on edge. >> we want to go back to former f.b.i. profiler who joins us from washington with her expertise. i think this is not presumptuous to say the reason people feel anally, these people are known extremists. the main suspected ringleader of this, abdelhamid abaaoud had been all over propaganda magazines and videos and if law enforcement cannot profile a guy like that and track him, what about the real sleepers? >> people are very concerned about that. people know the potential. they know that these people will use maximum lethality in a part beat. they're fears are quite justified. i have to underscore, as well, that this ringleader, he's veryar granted. he's very grandiose and he likes
that attention. that reality undermines people's sense of security, because they do say exactly that. well, he's so well known, why were they not able to apprehended him? but this kind of a mass law enforcement response hopefully will begin to repair those, that sense of confidence in law enforcement, because this is an incredible law enforcement response to these offenders and really demonstrate that is france is prepared to take this kind of an incredible response to apprehend these people. >> mary ellen -- >> and that will give them confidence. >> the united states is on edge, as well. we've got 26 states now saying they will not take in syrian refugees. you heard the director of the c.i.a. coming out just this week talking about that there are other attacks in the pipeline,
washington, d.c., new york both on edge. take us in mind as to -- into the mind of what americans should be looking out for. we hear so many times people saying if you see something, say something. what should they be seeing and what should they be looking for? >> sometimes when i hear that phrased, it makes me shudder, because see something, say something means that when you are looking at a behavior, you need to be able to -- you have to recognize it. if it's a benign behavior, then it doesn't draw your suspicion. what people do really need to be aware of is really behavior that falls into the realm of normal, and so when they see groups of people, and let's -- we have to look at these individuals who are responsible for this, that they are primarily males between the ages of late teen and early 20's and they behave as a group, and they will separate themselves from other people, and so people need to -- what
happens often is they will vet behavior and look at it and say that's probably nothing. i -- >> you have a woman this morning who was wearing a suicide bombing vest. she may have been a cousin of one tacker in paris and she blew herself up, according to french authorities. does that shoot that theory down? >> it really doesn't, because it's primarily males in that age group, and that's consistent with violent crime throughout, really throughout the world. we also know that women can become involved in these groups. i think it's very concerning and it certainly is to the people there in that neighborhood that this group was able to come into that neighborhood and secrete themselves there and nobody record anything unusual. people will go back and they will be reporting to your reporters on the scene that they did see some things, but they underestimated it. from a profiling perspective, mary, how does an f.b.i. or
c.i.a. agent or in this case, the in tell agencies in france or counter terrorism agencies in france, how do they separate the noise and potential number of suspects? there have been 300 raised in the last 40 you a hours in paris and this morning seems to be the only one they are on to something. clearly they are or that woman wouldn't have blown herself up. how do they separate all those potential people that could do something from the ones they really need to track? >> right now, it seems like they are playing a little bit of catchup, trying to get a sense of how many people are involved, but one of the things that they are looking at is going right to the group leader, and the group leader is the one that's going to determine really kind of the conscious of the group. daish or isis, a lot of the these leaders have psychopathic traits. a psycho path is somebody without a conscience, guilt or
remorse, which makes them particularly dangerous in a situation like this, because there are no boundaries, there are no rules and these are people that will take the entire group to their death and anybody else around them and the group knows that, hopefully, they are incorporating that psycho pathic assessment of these groups, of these group leaders, because those are the individuals that will take their particular cell to death, and everybody else around them. >> thank you for joining us with your insight this morning. >> we are going to go back to paris. sheila macvicar is joining us on the phone. you have lots of contacts, have lived overseas for years. what is the latest you are getting from our perspective? ok. we have loft sheila macvicar.
sheila, i understand we have you back on the phone. you are a veteran of european affairs, have contacts in the area. breaking news this morning, tell us what you're hearing. >> well, this is an event that began at about 4:30 this morning and when police went in there, there was an intense gun battle, a gun battle that lasted for about an hour. that's a long time. if you think about the capabilities and capacities of the french special police force that is went in, if you think about the arms that would have had to have been in that amount for a gun bat toll last that length of time, it gives you an idea of both how well prepared the gunmen inside the apartment were and what they were anticipating. two of the gunman are known to have died. one of them is a woman. she, we are told, was seen firing an a.k.47 at police this morning. she is described as a young woman with long blonde hair. she then exploded a suicide vest
as officers attempted to enter the apartment. now, they've detained seven people who were in that apartment, there are till lots of questions about who all of those people are. not all of them were in the apartment, some were found in the adjacent area. there are lots of questions about who those people are. remember, there are two key people that french police and police throughout europe are looking for. one is one to have been in paris friday night. he is known to have driven a car back toward belgium to be stopped we believe now three times by authorities, who let him go each time, although by that time his name was known as a renter of one of those vehicles used by attackers friday night. he is wanted opinion in addition to that, there is suspected mastermind. this is someone that until now
french authorities had not believed was in france, had not believed that he was in europe, and it is the intelligence that he was in that apartment based on wiretaps and other information that had the police go to that apartment this morning. >> sheila, dana lewis reporting that this was a major cell, 14 people now arrested. he also talked about the possibility of sleeper cells, the french people there are very concerned about that possibility. >> french has sent more troops to fight isil than any other nations and it is known that some of them have rushed. there are 7,000 people under
surveillance, under police surveillance because they are believed to pose a threat in france. they are supposed to be constantly watched and monitored. that is a very difficult thing to do, because that requires massive resources. what has happened over the course of the last few days since the events on friday night, the terrible attacks on friday night have shown just how vulnerable france is. you have to be careful when we talk about 14 arrests. since friday night's attacks, we've seen a number of people arrested and then a number of those people released. the fact that there are 14 people currently in custody does not mean that there are 14 additional people who have been associated with these attacks. >> sheila, thank you very much. you saw that church, that was the church that you heard adam talk about. he said there were reports they found a cache of weapons, but those reports are not confirmed. >> sheila did provide more details and we'll wrap that up coming up right after this break. k.
>> french police arrived an apartment before down local time and arrested at least seven suspects. five police officers were hurt. >> two people have been killed, the dead including a woman who wore an explosive vest blew herself up. police now telling our reporters on the ground that she was the cousin of the reported mastermind of friday's attacks. that man, abdelhamid abaaoud was the target of today's early morning raised. speaking just after the raid, this morning, british prime minister david cameron encouraging british citizens not to let the tense security situation affect their everyday lives. >> the most important thing is for people to carry on with their lives. it's important that flights continue to go, that people continue to travel, enjoy london, paris, and to carry on going about our business. as we do so, yes, we need enhanced security and that is happening with the way that the police are acting here in the u.k. and elsewhere, but one of the ways to defeat terrorism is
to show them we will not be cowed. >> jessica joins us now. she's a former senior analyst with the foreign minister ministry of the united arab emirates. your focus is really counter isil when it comes to what security forces do regionally. what is your reaction to what you're seeing in europe? >> that's right. you know, the attacks in europe that we're seeing at the moment really underscore the danger of having ungoverned spaces in the middle east. these emerged as a direct consequence of the fact that you have large swaths of territory where isil is free to operate, free to undergo battle training and as you saw, some of the suspect's had traveled to syria and returned with the knowledge of explosive devices, with the knowledge of how to launch an urban assault. >> we hear a lot of people in the united states, specifically capitol hill talking about assad must go. are you concerned that if assad
goes, that opens another vast area, another cache of weapons, another government that falls that people like isil can get their hands on? >> we've really got to be able to chew gum and walk at the same time when we talk about syria policy. nobody's asking for assad to go and to leave a vacuum, even the syrian opposition is not asking for that. the goal has been towards a managed transitional government that has the consent of the syrian people, all sides of the syrian people. that's really important, because this conflict emerged out of dissatisfaction of the syrian people with their government, and until you address that fundamental political as i say satisfaction, even if you eliminate isis completely, you're just going to of the son of isis, other groups that are dissatisfied with their government. >> you were an advisor to the u.a.e. there have been some poll advertises and military analysts each interviewed that say
regionally allies need to do more, that is where the army should come from. you're hearing solidarity to some degree when it comes to fighting isil, with france and russia and the united states, but what about the regional partners and their ability to counter isil? >> absolutely. regional partners have to be a part of this. they understand this is predominantly their battle, as well, they can't do it alone. they need the leadership of the united states, they need the leadership of the international community but they are very focused on this threat. the u.a.e. has been flowing the second largest amount of sortes after the united states. it has been shown no regional power has the ability to put this down. >> we will leave it there. thank you very much for being with us. ahead in our next hour, our continuing coverage of the overnight raised in the paris suburb. >> at least two suspects are
[ gunfire ] >> gunfire in paris suburbs, police raiding an apartment where they believe the suspect's of friday attacks may have been hiding out oh. >> there were explosions. i could herb that the ceiling was going to crash, so i got out. >> two suspects are dead, one of them blew herself up. seven others have been arrested.
>> good morning, welcome to what has been a busy world this morning. i'm del walters. >> i'm stephanie sy. a major operation in france ended now nearly eight hours after gunfire and explosions rang out of an apartment in a paris suburb. [ gunfire ] >> those bangs heard around 4:00 a.m. paris time today in saint dennis just outside paris and not far from one of those coordinated attacks took place on friday. >> two suspects are dead, including a woman who set off a suicide bomb vest. she is believed to be the cousin of the mastermind of friday's attacks, abdelhamid abaaoud. >> french president francois hollande spoke just moments ago, saying that today's operation was aimed at "neutralizing the terrorists." >> these actions confirmed to us
once again that we are at war. the war against terrorism, which itself had decided to launch war against us. in deed we have the organization of isil. it has an army, financial sources, oil resources and it will keep kerratory. it has accomplices in europe and in our own country. it wants to commit murders here and it has done so. >> bring us up to date on the latest on the raised and the
biggest question everyone is wondering right now is did they get him, did they get the suspected mastermind? >> that is the question, del and i don't think we have an answer at this moment in time. several hours after this long and very dramatic operation with the police shut down. what we know is that they were following a woman for the last two days now, according to very different sources, that there was telephone chatter, that there was even some eyewitness information. she is said to be the cousin of abdelhamid abaaoud. they traced her to an apartment in north paris, a mixed neighborhood, a poor area, not far from the football stadium where one of the attacks occurred friday night. on the third floor of that apartment building, when the police started to move in, they found unexpected resistance. it didn't mean that they didn't have swat teams there, but both the president of the country and interior minister have characterized it as heavy
unexpected resistance, a gun battle that goes on for about seven hours, not continuous, but there are long periods of gunfire in there, some an hour long. the police get in. at one point, a police dog is killed, they enter the apartment, arrest three people. that is when the female suicide bomber sets off her vest. there are mother exchanges of gunfire you hadding grenades. eventually the swat teams take out one other man in the apartment, so two dead in there and three found hiding in the rubble. a total of seven arrests at this point. we are told two were arrested outside, one includes the owner of the apartment, who rented the apartment to these men. he said that he had told them there were no beds, no mattresses inside, but they wanted to rent it several days before the attacks on friday, saying they just needed a place to pray. by the way, french media have said this man who rented the apartment to them has a criminal record for murder and served eight years in jail, so he is
somebody they are holding and continue to hold at this point. all in all now, if you start adding up the numbers from the attacks on friday night, the suicide bombers, the two fugitives, these people that have been killed and arrested in that apartment, two other amounts were found yesterday, you have about 14 attackers that were part of this cell that carried out these very bloody attacks in paris on friday. >> just a short while ago, we heard french president francois hollande say that it is now time to seem the borders, to seal the frontiers as he said in his words. are there concerns in paris that there may be suspects getting out, but also additional backup coming in? >> first of all, i think there's concerns this minute, because we just talked to somebody driving up to the scene from here, and they said just at almost any exit on the highway, any of the checkpoints right now, there are police that are very nervously looking at vehicles and flagging some over, so i think there was
a fear initially that this could have been runners from that apartment, did anybody get away. we haven't heard from authorities but they were going to the media at that point and checking the crowds to see if anybody had come away. to answer the broader question, abdelhamid abaaoud, this is not somebody that was on a terror list. this is a guy that was on the top of the list for the french pretty well. he had been a member of isil. he is well known, has organized other attacks, including the gunman on the french train from belgium to france that was tackled by three americans this summer, so they really wanted him. the fact that he has been able to leave belgium shortly after the charlie hebdo attacks 10 months ago, go to syria, did he go to syria, that's a big question, he claims he did. there are picture of him at different times in syria and be able to come back and cross how many borders from turkey through macedonia, serbia, and be able to go from belgium and come into paris and move about freely,
otherwise these attacks in a very large cell. it wasn't one random attacker. it was a very large cell, required huge organizations, apartments rented, rental cars and the authorities never got on to him. the first thing that president hollande has talked about is how do you stop this? how do you stop this transit of thousands of jihadi's across europe that are going to europe and coming back. wove known for years that they are saying it's a ticking time bomb but they've been unable to lock it down, unable to keep all these guys under surveillance. that is one of the first things he has done, lockdown the border as best he can, extend the state of emergency and get into a very deep debate about sealing the borders. >> the bottom line being life in paris as we know it has been changed perhaps forever. thank you very much. >> we heard a short time ago from a neighbor who witnessed the raid.
>> it was in the flat just above. the police blocked the door to prevent us from leaving. they told us that stay put, to lie down, not to move, to switch off all the lights and that's what it. i did. i tried to go to the toilets but there were explosions and i could hear that the ceiling was going to crash. i got out and tried to find protection between the toilet's door and our bedroom's door and we stayed like this with my baby. we could see shots being fired. we could see the lights of lasers point towards us and really there were explosions. we could feel the building shake. >> al jazeera's adam rainy is on the scene at the site of the raid in the northern paris suburb of saint tennis. whawhat are you seeing and hearg right now? >> we heard from very very frightened people. she lived under that apartment. you can see behind me, the police barricades have been taken up.
people thought they were under attack just as the attacks on friday night. they didn't know it was a police raid. it's 4:00 in the morning. all they know is they hear very loud explosion, hear gunfire and this went on for sometime. that is what we are mainly hearing from people here. it was interesting about the suspects passing back and forth from france, europe, syria, back. we're finding when they need to take refuge in these communities, there seems to be people who will rent them amounts either with no questions asked or they are clap rating with them. this is a very difficult situation for the french government, for the french president, for authorities here, because this is a huge word capital and on its outskirts are lots of communities like this that are very diverse, full mainly of people who do not want any such activity like this taking place, but also, there's these small pockets where the suspects and these active participants are taking refuge here. >> have you seen an increase in
security there on the streets in the last hour or so since the raid ended? >> actually, we've seen police leaving the area. there's dozens of security forces here but nothing like it was even a half hour ago, because you had hundreds of security personnel on the streets. you had the army, you had the national police, you had local police. this was in lockdown mode. it's still slowly being opened up, so we're seeing still a heavy security presence, but if anything, some people are pulling back from this community, now that the actual operation is over, and it's been over for morn an hour now. this is going to be a community that's pleased very heavily in the rest of the day, in the coming hours, because after this attack, or after this raid that is, excuse me, you have people who are extremely worried, extremely frightened and you
also have security personnel combing the area, looking for more clues, looking for more weapons, looking for any answers that can hopefully help them find these suspects that are still at large. >> adam reporting from saint dennis, thank you. we have a witness who said police were staying in his apartment. >> someone asked me to put up two people for three days. it's normal. i don't know where they came from. i don't know anything. if i'd have known, you think i'd have done snit. >> who are they? french officials investigating say they have named six people who they believe carried out the operation, including one of the master minds, one of the targets of this morning's raid. abdelhamid abaaoud is a belgian, a moroccan origin believed to be in his late 20's, plead to be responsible for organizing the
paris attacks. he traveled to syria and spent time fighting along isil. >> the other key suspect is saleh abdeslam. sala was the get away driver for those who carried out the attacks. >> the mayor of paris talking about before a group of mayors, striking a defiant tone in the face of this past week's violence. >> their colleagues, we believe that this communion sacred being confronted by this terrible terrorist threat and i just want to say that we are not afraid. i want to say that to the entire world. >> we want to go back now to former f.b.i. you profiler mary ellen adoing tool with us in washington, d.c. this morning opinion mary ellen, as i was listening to the mayor, to the president of france speak, i
wanted to ask you, is there a learning curve that they have to get caught up on where they have to go inside the minds of those attacking them and does that put them at a disadvantage. >> there is a learning curve and it does take time to get caught up in the level of commitment, who the leader is, what their important is all about, what they're prepared to do, their motivations, just how extreme that they really are, so it does take a while to catch up with that and to get a handle. they are not all created equal, so you have in a cell different personalities, and different outlooks, different perspectives, so it does take time to catch up and to understand the psychology of each one of the cell members, but particularly when you have group behavior, you always go to
the group leader. again, it takes a while to get an assessment on somebody like that. >> is this a french intelligence failure and is there a better way to help track these people coming back from syria after training? >> i can talk about the psychology. i can't say this is a failure. i leave that to other people to describe this. i will sway that it really does seem to be extremely important to understand what makes these people tick and how extremely committed that they are to their mission. they are not all equally committed, but they are willing to die and take people along with them. understanding that concept in
terms of group behavior really has to be part of the assessment process. i do know from my experience in the f.b.i., sizing people up, assessing them and understanding what makes somebody dangerous is oftentimes overlooked as not a top priority. i think clearly here, we've seen that, how important that is. >> abdelhamid abaaoud is described as someone who drug a combative, another soldier behind a truck. do we understand how savage the people that they may be dealing with in france actually are, and how committed those people are to attacking and carrying out what they say is their strategy even in the united states? >> but i think that's a concept that's difficult for most people throughout the world to understand. when they see those pictures and they watch your news, it's very difficult for normal people to
look at that behavior and really understand it. how does somebody get to be so brutal no? they grew up in a neighborhood in an environment where they appear to be normal as little boys and grow up and behave like that. you know, i've got to say that's very difficult for anyone to comprehend. it does happen. it's an evolutionary process. it also has to do with their personality, and i think once the world begins to understand how these people evolve and words like monster, words like evil, they really work against us in understanding how this development occurs. it takes time, but there are certain people who are far more prone to buying into that savagery, that brutal behavior than others. >> thank you very much. >> i want to bring in our other guest sitting here on set with us and has been watching our coverage of the developments in
cans, jessica is a former senior analyst with the foreign ministry of the united arab emirates. with these attacks in paris and the downing of the jet in the sinai, has this opened up a new front in the war as described by the french president. >> it really does appear to be the case. one of the justifications for not getting deeper involved in syria was that analysts thought that -- >> it's regional. >> exactly. they thought isil's focus was holding the territory they had and trying to establish a government. i think the events of the past several weeks have shown us that that's really not the case and they're coming after western and
international targets. >> you said that there has to be a political solution to this as well as a military solution to this, pointing out that today, it is isil, yesterday it was al-qaeda. if syria falls, if there is another power vacuum, there will be another group and we will be right back where we are. is that the case? >> that's absolutely the case. you've got to address why people are getting violent in the first place and it comes down to the fact that they are feeling marginalized by governments they think are abusing them and not representing them. >> that causes somebody to behead people from the western powers? >> what it causes is the initial conflict. it's important tomorrow that the syrian conflict started off as peaceful protest movements, met with violence by the assad regime knowing it would radicalize the conflict and force the international community to choose between him and the terrorists. it's a step-by-step pros.
it's important tomorrow this conflict has been going on four and a half years. these are evolutionary changes that happen in people, so you don't go overnight from being a peaceful protestor to dragging people behind trucks, but if there's no solution in sight and you are being killed and tortured and brutalized by your government -- >> to people who say we have to take care of this threat, kill the people, kill them all, we have to get them, you say what? >> it's really, really important to shut down the battle space and the training space and that probably does involve killing a great deal of those combatants. >> thank you for your nationals this morning. stay with us. we'll have more coming up right after this break. the only way to get better is to challenge yourself,
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>> the activist group anonymous launching a hash tag op paris. the hackers say they will track down those responsible for the attacks. on their official twitter page, anonymous claims to have taken down more than 5500 twitter pages they say are connected to isil. >> as many as 30,000 foreigners have traveled to sir yes and iraq since 2011. joining me is harris, managing director of the killian foundation and member of prime
minister david cameron's forum. thank you for joining us on this busy morning of breaking news. i want to hone in a little more on what's happening in france and belgium. in the short term, nabbing and killing terror suspects may keep attacks from happening, but what do those countries need to do to address violent extremism? >> first of all, there has to be the realization that the struggle is on two fronts. initially obviously the governments have to keep people safe. they have to look for the rest of the perpetrators, if there are any other perpetrators or cells that are existing in mainland europe right now, they have to chase them, catch them, prevent them from carrying out attacks. we've got to realize, and i'm sorry, i was listening to the program just before the break, we're living in a time of a diffused global jihadist insurgency. used to be a time when orders
for particular attacks came from a centralized source, al-qaeda, and carry out the attacks around the world and they were sanctioned, officials. we're living in a time where there are people who have been radicalized to a political islamist narrative for decades without being challenged. we have to counter this particular ideological strand, do the prevention, focus on challenging the ideas. again, as we challenge racism, fascism and communism. the long term batting is one of ideas where in the short term, there is a war going on in the middle east and there are people trying to -- >> i want to ask you what you mean by challenging that. just take france for example where they actually have this secularism law, banning certain religious symbols, including the head scarf among muslims and some have called that islamaphobia. is that how you counter it?
>> france hadn't banned the head scarf. they have banned the veil. they allow the head scarf. what i mean by challenging is actually a lot of people in recent times who carried out the charlie hebdo attacks, the attacks on friday night in paris were actually known to agencies. they were on a watch list. what france does not have is a deradicallization program. it doesn't have a rehabilitation program. it doesn't have machine force who have been through this journey and come out and disavowed the ideology, able to deprogram them. that's one of the things i mean by challenge. the other thing i mean by challenge is we have to take this away from a religious problem. if we just say this is a problem for the muslim community, we are polarizing the debate and focusing too much on the religion. these guys were radicalized before they get the justification. they were radicalized to the
whole point of the belief that they are different from everybody else, part of a gang, it's a dehumanization, that they are different from others. >> deprogramming is one, but what about the information in the problem began da war that civilized governments are up against when it comes to isil's ability to spread it's ideology. >> we have to be very careful that we don't just focus on i.s. ten years ago, it was al-qaeda, while i.s. didn't inspire extremism, it inspired them. there is a media propaganda war going on. we monitored their official propaganda, they produced nearly
1200 unique pieces of propaganda in one month. that's a lot. you know, they are operating this way. the reality is -- and by the way, only a very, very small percentage that have propaganda focuses on bar barty and brutality. they are focusing on state building, utopiaism. what we need to as governments and civil society is empower ourselves and officials to actually say we know what they're messages are, we must deconstruct the propaganda, the narratives, counter the narratives, just at importantly, we and i say the collective we who are not i.s. or al-qaeda. we need to provide an alternative so someone disenfranchised uneducated muslims being franchised, that's not true.
47% of the islam terrorists in the u.k. have a degree, went to university. more than half of them. they include doctors, people -- >> she also said that they were psycho paths. i can't imagine. i think the number of isil fighters are between 20,000 and 30,000 people. do you think they are all psycho paths. >> these are people who are brainwashed, groomed into a particular world view. they believe in this group think. they believe everybody else is different than them and everybody else is oppressing them and everybody who's not even involved in that oppression is implicit by the very fact they're eye lent and believe they have got to do something about it, self defense and then violence. once you have a number of people buying into that word view, it becomes easier to change people's own perceptions and for people to go down these paths. we have to challenge the ideology. there are people, muslims and non-muslim that is are disenfranchise that had disagree with foreign policy and a whole range of things.
why aren't they all jihadists? why haven't they all joint i.s. the reality is people are recruiting them and that is what we have to tackle. >> there were 20,000 isil members when this conflict began, 20,000 are now dead, they have been replaced by your numbers, 30,000. >> we are following breaking news from outside paris, arrests after a major police raid in an apartment in saint denis. the latest after this break.
>> we gonna bring this city back one note at a time. >> proudest moment in my life. >> the scene this morning of a massive raid in paris. people there now getting their lives back to normal, walking among the press. the police, the ambulances,s massive gauntlet that awakened them earlier this morning. welcome back to your world this morning. as we have been reporting all morning, following that breaking news coming out of paris, french authorities saying two people are dead after that early morning raid there. that is a suburb north of paris, about a mile from where the bombings took place, officers raiding an apartment complex and nearby church. seven suspects are held, five police officers were hurt. >> police were searching for the
reported ringleader behind friday's attack, abdelhamid abaaoud, his whereabouts are still unknown. prosecutors say one of the dead is believed to be his cousin. al jazeera is live in paris. dana, how are people reacting to that raid and all these arrests? >> well, i certainly think that on the street, there is some sense of relief that they may have thwarted another attack. they are here with weapons and explosives and they were fearing they may have been planning another attack on a financial district of paris, so there is relief. there is also a lot of anxiety. this means abdelhamid abaaoud may have been here in paris. he may have been in the apartment. we don't know. we are waiting for officials to confirm, did they get him, did they kill him. you mentioned the cousin that blew herself up there. she is co here. what we understand in the details that are slowly
filtering out this morning after the seven hour police standoff and gunfight is that they had electronic surveillance and eyewitness surveillance. probably watching her for a couple of days, believing that she might be sheltering abaaoud and around 4:30 this morning, they closed in on the apartment on the nor side of paris and have unexpected resistance. they had swat teams there, but they did not expect the gunfire that would erupt there and go on for towers and hours, from 4:30 in the morning until 11:00 in the morning. this woman was killed four hours into it. police entered. there was a police dog killed. members of the swat team entered the apartment. she detonated their vest after they had arrested three people and no doubt some of these five policemen that were injured were injured in that initial blast. there was probably some kind of cave-in there, they are talking
about rubble inside the apartment. maybe a wall came down. they were throwing grenades and projectiles. they arrested three others from under the rubble. what aan amazing turn of events here, a very dramatic standoff and when you add it together with all of those terrorists on friday that were blown up, the terrorists, as they're called here by the president of the country, you have about 14 people involved in this cell that carried out these bloody paris attacks. >> you were talking about earlier about what led security forces to this apartment. you talked about a telephone intercept. remind us of that and is this being described by authorities and by the prosecutor there in paris as a major break in the case, especially given that there was this woman with a suicide vest, which is i'm told a rather sophisticated device. >> well, it's a major break in
the sense that they were able to be on the leading edge instead of the trailing edge of terror. they were able to get to these people before they carried out an attack. it shows that the security forces that the police, the intelligence network, once they got started on this, they were able to track cars that were rented, other apartments that were rented in france. there was another one in the northeast part of the city, in a hotel apartment building, there was another apartment that was picked up in the east side of the city that were used by these men involved in the attacks. inside the apartments, there was syringes and drug paraphernalia that may have been connected to the making of the bomb bets. it's an achievement that they were able to get to the apartment, track that woman for the past couple of days by electronic and witness. if abaaoud was here, how did they miss him? he is really a wanted man who has been in syria, part of isis,
carried out other attacks. there will be praise and there has been a standing ovation when president hollande commented the security forces this morning for putting their lives on the line and neutralizedding these people in the apartment, but very large questions about the security services and how this man and this team of gunmen were able to enter the city in the first place. >> i want to ask you one question to that point. you talked about the number of fighter that is they have to track that are coming back from syria, the number of potential threats and numbers in the thousands. the charlie hebdo attacks in january, you would have thought would have put more resources into exactly this, into tracking known extremists within the country. >> i think they did. >> all right. >> i think they did. there was talk that they added some 10,000 people quietly to the intelligence services, that they added about 10,000 people to the intelligence services,
many of them analysts. they have the information. once these events happen, they can track everything electrically, and through communications. they don't have the analysts to stop these attacks and find them when they're being planned and when these cells are being formed. >> dana lewis reporting from paris, thank you. >> french president francois hollande speaking just a short while ago about his country's reaction to the attacks, using the term daish to describe isil said france will not let the group change their way of life. >> daish wants to in stall through it massacres poison, suspicion, stigmatization and division. let us not give in to the temptation of giving up. we must not yield either to feelings of fear, of excessive
action. our social -- is the best supply. >> president obama making a similar hard line stance today in the philippines. >> we are not well served when in response to a terrorist attack, we descend into fear and panic. i cannot think of a more potent recruitment tool for isil than some of the rhetoric that's been coming out of here during the course of this debate. >> we wanting to live now to al jazeera's scott heidler with us in manila. scott, how did the other leaders at the apec summit address the attacks? >> no one has really addressed it outright, if you with i will. that's because what they try to do here is focus on economic and
trade issues in this asia pacific region. obviously with the world leaders that we have here, geopolitics gets woven into the discussion here, but outside of what president obama has said, really no other leader has kind of stepped up and said something about the attacks and what's been happening over the last couple of weeks across the world with these series of attacks, but what we are expecting and this is something that the associated press reported, that, you know, at the end of this two day summit with all these leaders here, 21 nations here, there will be a communique, a couple of pages where all the leaders have agreed to put forth, again, most of the time, it's on trade, economy, moving forward, moving this region forward. what we're hearing associated press has been reporting is that there will be a paragraph addressing these attacks and issues. it's not unprecedented, back in 2001, there was a similar paragraph, a similar mention in this communique at the end of the apec summit after the 9/11 attacks in the united states, so
we're expecting something to be like that, but again, it's very, you know, geo politics is discussed on the sidelines but a sideline on one of the main stages, one of the main venues here, we saw president obama, that was kind of on the sidelines of the summit here. >> one of the reasons that the president was speaking on the sidelines is because there is a sense among the leadership worldwide that one of the things that they don't want to do is to have the world stop on a dime whenever there is an attack anywhere, because that would indicate that those who seek to sew the seeds of fear would be winning. is that the sense that you're get, why they are going on with, as usual at apec? >> absolutely. again, it is because they say first and foremost, and there is the issue of these attacks over the last couple of weeks, but there are a lot of other geopolitical regional issues that they don't allow, really, they agree, i should say, that won't be on the agenda, and
that's such things as the south china sea tension over territory. that everyone agreed is not going to be on the agenda here. they want the purpose of apec to be first and foremost in those discussions in these round tables and breakout sees, the economy and build up the economy in this region, which is very important for the globe. 60% of global g.d.p. comes from this region. that's what they're focused on. that's why this event happens every year. that is the mine focus. because you have these leaders, have the caliber of decision maker, global decision makers here, bigger issues do get discussed, but that's on the sidelines. >> scott from manila, pointing out that we are in a very large world with a lot of hot spots. beirut also struck by isil, there's boko haram in africa, so the leaders there wanting to main take a unified stance that it is business as usual for the rest of the civilized world.
here were very frightened. this is anything but normal now. >> the associated press reported earlier that some residents were brought to city hall for protection. for seven hours, there was some degree of gunfire and a grenade was even launched by the police that were raiding this apartment. how are are you from that apartment building and are people talking about whether they're surprised that two people were killed that were described as terrorists by the french president an hour ago? >> i think people are surprised, some told us that themselves. we're just a few blocks from where this apartment was. this was all cordoned off. only recently did police remove barricades, so you had a perimeter and people had been pushed out of this area, too, because this start at 4:00 a.m. local and that gave time for police to move people out.
they were greeted, if you want to say that or had a large show of force shown to them as they came into this neighborhood. they had to call for reinforcements. this was a long standoff, more than seven hours, eight hours in which the police had control of this community and they only recently opened these barricades up. the people we've been speaking to do not think they are safer just because this operation is over. they say they feelery unsafe. they are worried that police let these two main fugitives past them in the past and have no faith that the security personnel will stop these people perhaps before another attack. many people here are criticizing france's foreign policy, taking wart as french president hollande calls it to isil isn't necessarily the way to bring security here. of course there are many french
people who believe it is. >> earlier, you said when you first arrived on the scene, police pointed their weapon at your crew. i'm wondering how police are getting the balance between civil rights and liberties and clearly what is an effort to control a situation, a serious on going security situation, which are fugitives still on the run possibly in paris. >> i think stephanie in the coming days, we'll hear more about civil liberties versus protection. it's not quite the same conversation you hear in the u.s. i can tell you i've covered a lot of standoffs before and this is the first time as a member of the media that just going close, i saw a police officer raise a machine gun at me and my crew. it wasn't -- i cannot admit that i was afraid we were going to be fired at by the police, but it was exisraelly disconcerting to
see that level of edginess on the policemen's face, their whole behavior, not just pointing weapons at us, all the police officers had their pistols and machine guns out. they were at the ready in case anything happened and that tells you how serious and dangerous this operation was for them. >> a at dam in saint denis, thank you. >> tension high in places beyond paris, authorities clearing two air france flights diverted because of bomb threats. one plane leaving salt lake city last night, the flight leaving los angeles earlier tuesday had to be diverted to salt lake city. about the same time was another flight from dulles on its way to paris. it made an emergency landing at halifax airport in canada. the anonymous threats were caused in after both flights had taken off. >> there have been more airstrikes in syria this morning carried out by france and russia. russian president vladimir putin has promised to step up the
attacks on isil. he says it is now clear the group bombed a russian plane over egypt last month. al jazeera's jail mchas that story from the pentagon. >> having declared a terrorist bomb drought down its airliner last month, russia launched a series of high profile retaliatory strikes against isil in syria, deploying some three dozen additional long-range bombers and firing off dozens of air launched cruise missiles. the cruise missiles, a weapon typically reserved for healthy attacks against heavily defended targets were used against isil positions where there are no air defenses in what end seemed to be a showy display designed to underscore russia's military might. afterwards, russian president vladimir putin toured a large high tech command center in moscow and made a point of while the cameras were rolling, ordered's his navy go draw up a joint action with france, just
as an aircraft carrier movers into the east mediterranean. french president francois hollande called for the u.s., russia and france to join forces against isil in what he called a unique coalition, something the pentagon has so far ruled out. >> we're not coordinating or cooperating with the russians. >> at the same time, the u.s. is looking for partners. at a forum in washington, defense secretary ash carter hoped other nations would be galvanized to join the fight. >> we need others to get in the game, as well. >> while france and russia are upping their game against isil, the u.s. remains consistent with its current strategy. >> there is a strategy in place. i'm confident the momentum will pick up. >> in the battle of perceptions, vladimir putin is seeking to project an image of steely resolve and enjoying support at home while president obama is
under fire from his critics for appearing weak. >> a couple hundred thousand syrians dead, millions of refugees later, and the president of the united states still won't act. still believes as he stated in his press conference yesterday that somehow, everything is going fine. what deillusion! >> the pentagon disputes the idea that putin that once again out maneuvered the u.s. by seizing the military initiative. >> the motion that we are behind the curve here is a mistaken one. we are actively looking at a whole host of opportunities to further this fight against isil. >> those attacks in paris leaving the city on edge. >> how families are coping and turning the corner after a week of tension.
>> there is a major storm system causing problems for colorado this morning. >> strong winds blowing around snow, decreasing visibility. parts of the state have gotten more than a foot -- more than half a foot, excuse me of snowfall and severe weather is hitting the central part of the country today. let's bring in nicole mitchell for for. >> for california while the snow has ended, you still have the blowing, so it still feels like it's snowing after the fact. behind this, another system pushing in from the northwest
caused high winds yesterday. in some cases through the mountains, over 100 miles per hour brought down trees, a couple of lives lost unfortunately and over a million without power. that is merging in with the other system we've been watching. through the northern tier of the country, high winds today. the main storm system we've watched has a history of severe weather, also bringing a lot of rain this morning to states like alabama, mississippi. so we have the different put there watches and warnings up, but also that risk for the strong storms, even in the overnight period, we were seeing wind and tornado reports over this past night, and so today, still some tornado watches. that doesn't mean anything imminent right now, but that chance through the course of the date and the heaviest rain today, in the southeast, tomorrow, it shifts more up the east coast. >> we do want to get you caught up now in what is happening in france, french authorities raiding an apartment in saint denis north of paris looking for
suspects they believe planned the attacks in paris. five police officers were hurt, seven people are underarrest. the whereabouts of the suspected mastermind, abdelhamid abaaoud are still not known at this hour. one who died is believed to be his cousin and she set off a suicide belt. in the days since the attacks, people in paris and around world have been trying to make sense of what happened and what to do next. this next video has rightfully gone rarely. it's been shared more than 27 million tiles. it's a conversation between a father and his son during an interview with a french reporter. [ speaking french ]
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