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england. he may not have achieved that feat himself, but he'll be remembered as the sport's first global superstar. al jazeera. >> just a reminder, you can keep up to date with all the news on our website. you'll find it all at >> gunfire in a paris suburb. please raid an apartment where suspects in fridays attacks were believed to be hiding out. >> there were explosions and i could hear that the ceiling was going to crash, so i got out. >> at least two suspects are dead, one of them blew herself up. seven others have been arrested.
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>> gunfire and explosions north of paris before dawn this morning. that is where police were looking for the suspected mastermind behind friday's attacks in paris. french authorities say two are dead after that raid in saint denis, including a woman who blew herself up. she is believed to be the cousin of the suspected mastermind, abdelhamid abaaoud. his fate is unclear, but at least seven people have been detained. five officers were wounded in the operation. al jazeera's adam rainy is in saint denis. what are you seeing and hearing right now where you are? >> we're seeing the cleanup of this massive operation, which hundreds of security personnel were here in this suburb of
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paris. it was on lockdown for about eight hours. there was a major perimeter around the area. we already heard those gunshots, explosions, people were terrified during this whole operation. here's what some of the people here were talking about. >> i found out that it's at my house and that the people are holed up at my flat. i didn't know they were terrorists. someone asked me a favor. i did them a favor. someone asked me to put up two people, up for three days and i did them a favor. it's normal. i don't know where they came from. i don't know anything. if i'd have known, do you think i'd have done it? >> well, this is the man who allegedly rented or gave space to these fugitives. we don't know the identifies yet of people who have been arrested and identity other than the suspected cousin of the woman who blew herself up. we don't know the identity of the other man who died in this operation. five police officers at least injured. this was a big raid with a lot
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of fallout and people here are really worried. they don't know if the violence is going to stop anytime soon. people we've been speaking to heard loud explosions in the middle of the night. they didn't know exactly what was happening here. now in the cleanup of this, we've seen police pull out bit by bit, but the town is closed down for the most part. you've seen people who live around here just walking around. it's really not clear what evidence that authorities got from here, but what is clear is that the fugitive suspects in this case still appear to be at large and people here in front and especially around paris are worried that that could lead to more violence in the coming days. when we arrived here at the perimeter, we saw how intense it was, because please raised their machine guns at us as we approached the perimeter. we weren't even inside it. they seemed so edgy because of this confrontation that perhaps
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was unexpected an their part. they had to call for reinforcement the. that shows this was an unexpected raid in the size that it was and authorities now are trying to close the net on fugitives who are still at large. >> adam reporting from saint denis outside paris. thank you. i want to go to dana lewis live in paris. how are people reacting to the raids and these arrests? >> well, i think people's heads are spinning. here you have the attacks on friday, you have seven people killed in the accused bombings. you had at least two final touch have actives on the run. there were reports they left france, probably into belgium. suddenly, the discovery of apartments yesterday used in staging areas for these attackers on friday, at least two attackers that were here, and another one in eastern paris. suddenly this morning, there's gunfire and long seven hours of
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gunfire exchange in northern paris. the question is if abdelhamid abaaoud was here, you have massive questions about intelligence. was he in paris? if he was indeed the mastermind here, which he appears to be, everybody thought that he had left the country. we spoke to mark hecker, a security expert this morning about was abdelhamid abaaoud here. >> if it's true that this guy was here, that's a failure, and two hope pot they say here. you know this guy gave an interview to the web journal a few months ago and explained that he was part of a terrorist plot that was folding in belgium where two other terrorists were killed and explains in this interview that he managed to escape and go back to syria. if this interview is true, then that would mean that he managed to go back to syria and then
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come back to europe. that would be a big failure. >> so obviously, when president hollande talks about reestablishing the french frontier, the border frontier, that's what this is all about. they cannot track all these guys. there are at least 2,000 of them that are on a list of radicals. there are about half of those that have gone to syria, about a thousand of them according to french officials, and a little less than half of those in the hundreds, maybe 300 to 400 that have come back. they simply do not have the manpower and know how to head off and track these attacks and these very organized, large cell of attackers. you're talking altogether now, we know at least there were 14 people involved in this attack on friday. >> dane nap lewis reporting to us from paris, thank you. >> a neighbor spoke about what she saw during the raid. >> it was in the flat just above. the police blocked the door to
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prevent us from leaving. they told us to stay put, lie down, not to move, to switch off all of the lights and that's what i did. i hid. i tried to go to the toilets, but there were explosions and i could hear that the ceiling was going to crash. i got out and tried to find protection between the toilet's door and our bedroom's door and we stayed like this with my baby. we could see shots being fired. we could see the lights of lasers pointed towards us and really, there were explosions. we could feel the building shake. >> now french officials were looking for six people who they believe carried out the operation. that includes abdelhamid abaaoud, who we've been talking about all morning. he is a belgian of moroccan origin believed to be in his 20's. authorities believe is responsible for organizing the attack in paris. he traveled to syria and spent time fighting alongside isil. the other man is saleh abdeslam.
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his other brother who himself up during fridays attack. police say saleh was the driver for those involved in the attacks. >> it's important to understand the psychologist of attackers when carrying out this kind of security operation. >> they have to assume that these people are not going to negotiate, and that's probably been foremost in the briefing that the police have been given, that these people are going to kill and be killed, and the negotiation squad is there on the scene, but these are not people who will be willing to negotiate. they just simply won't be, so law enforcement understands that these are mission oriented individual that is they're going after. it does seem to be extremely important to understand what makes these team tick and how extremely committed that they are to carrying out their mission. they are not all equally committed to it, but those who
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are, should rise to the top of any list in terms of their willingness to not only die in carrying out their mission, but to take other people along with them. understanding that concept in terms of group behavior really has to be part of the assessment process, and i do know from my experience in the f.b.i., sizing people up, assessing them and understanding what makes somebody dangerous is oftentimes overlooked as not a top priority. i think clearly here, we've seen that, how important that is. >> the police need to turn their focus to the families of the attackers now to really understand them. >> stay with us. we'll have the latest on the raids outside of paris next and also look at the role surveillance is playing in helping track down the suspects.
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through it massacres, poison, suspicion, stigmatization and division. let us not give in to the temptation of giving up. >> we must not yield to either feelings of fear, of excessive action. our social cohesion is the best reply. >> president obama made similar comments today at the apec summit in the philippines. >> we are not well served when in response to a terrorist attack we descend into fear and panic. i cannot think of a more potent recruitment tool for isil than some of the rhetoric that's been
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coming out of here during the course of this debate. >> now via skype is michael, a retired f.b.i. agent and security expert. thank you for your time. let's start with the fear and panic that i think a lot of our reporters in paris have reported residents feeling because there are still two fugitives on the loose. what do you make of the raid and significance of it in saint denis this morning? >> i think these raids are highly significant to show that the french authorities are on the ball and following leads as they come around. the fact that so many terrorists were dead does not indicate that we don't have further intelligence. in today's technological world, dead men do tell tales. it's expected to find how they were communicating. in this case, i think we found burner cell phones. we know they have to communicate, once we uncover methods of communication, this whole network starts to unravel.
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that's when you expect to find in any type of organizational grab. >> thor, but does it have to be in retrospect? you have charlie hebdo, the attacks in january. what was the intelligence and security community missing when it came to preventing these attacks, because the mastermind that we're talking about, which was the target of this morning's raid was apparently well known to authorities. >> the key element that we and by that i mean the intelligence community collectively, we are missing human intelligence. we have not put people inside isis. we have not infiltrated that organization to find out what's going on and that's the key element. we don't need to know everything, but if we had got be reports of just one of those attackers entering europe, that would give us a starting point. wedding have started with physical as her veils, showings safe house business, co con sir stores, the methods using to communicate, such as buying a
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burner phone, then start wiretapping and intercepts communications. >> one of the challenges to that in just human intelligence, just the sheer number of fighters that are leaving europe to. >> isil in syria and come back. you can take a plane back from istanbul, you can take a train to paris. is there enough coordination among countries to deal with this threat when it comes to sharing intelligence? >> there is so much information out there. we have never suffered from a dearth of information. it's the am of information and getting through it it to find the key target, which is why we go back to why we have to have human intelligence. we have to have the starting point. we do cooperate with allies and share information. special danger in europe that you're passport free zone, it just needs one weak spot for someone to get in, there you are moving around to different countries. while there may be communication
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and coordination, you are talking about different databases, different laws, so it makes it that much more difficult. if we have one starting point, we can follow somebody. >> i think the issue of databases is an interesting one. i wonder why isn't there more of an international global database with these names that might be able to help better track these suspects on sort of a global intel level. >> when it calls down to it, practicality of using the same database. if it's a united states citizen, we might put them to more scrutiny, another country might not have that high a bar. doesn't mean we are not sharing information, it's just another hurdle we have to jump through. >> thank you for that information, really appreciate it. >> intelligence agencies around the world are reviewing their
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electronic surveillance exhibits after the paris attacks. many want stronger spy laws. as al jazeera's jacob ward reports, france already has some of the broadest surveillance laws in the world. >> despite the claims of government, the public made the final decision, and that is a radical change. >> edward snowden embarrassed the united states from backing away from mass surveillance, but france is going the other direction. in july, after the charlie hebdo attacks, lawmakers in france easily passed regulation 215713, the law of intelligence, formalizing powers the state exercised for years. because it failed to restrict intelligence agencies, the law earned objections from the u.n., civil rights activists and center right politicians in france. its provision are broad and powerful, reaching into almost every part of modern life. it's help to feel contrast the laws provision with current u.s.
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laws to understand what it does. the french love allows the state to eavesdrop on digital and phone communications of anyone linked to a so-called terrorist inquiry. no matter how distant the connection to the primary suspect. it allows intelligence agencies to install recording devices and secret cameras in private homes without consulting a judge. in the u.s., even surveillance approved by secret federal courts can now extend no more than two people away, two hops from the primary suspect and only a warrant gets inside a home. known in the u.s., stingrays can spot a cell phones activity in realtime. in the u.s., it is widely secretly used by federal and local law enforcement and legal status unclear here. france requires algorithms to alert the government to suspicious behavior and allow the for the bulk collection of
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phone and on line metadata information. in the u.s., private information reef mains with the companies who collected it for the most part. france establishes an advisory panel of politicians, not judges and makes the prime minister again, not an outside judge or add so correct be final authority on all matters of surveillance that that. in the u.s., the secret courts must cult advocates that represent the. 's interest. france makes few provisions for protecting whistle blowers nor helping citizens to know where they are or have been under surveillance. in the u.s., whistle blowers don't h extend. it declassifies many secret court opinions. france could soon be the most surveyed territory in europe under these provisions. >> that was jacob ward with that report. tensions remain high in places
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beyond paris. authorities overnight cleared two air france flights diverted because of bomb threats. one left salt lake city for paris last night. the through it was diverted from los angeles to paris. about the same time, another flight from washington, d.c. to paris had a land in canada. the anonymous treats threats were called in after both flights had taken off. the paris attacks sparked a debate over letting syrian refugees to the u.s. presidential candidates are making their feelings known. al jazeera's david shuster reports. >> in cleveland monday night, vermont senator bernie sanders stepped in front of thousands of supporters and said now is not the time for fear mongering. >> during these difficult times, as americans, we will not succumb to racism. we will not allow ourselves to be divided and as you come to islamaphobia. we will not turn our backs on
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the refugees from syria and afghanistan. [ cheers and applause ] >> international aid groups urged the united states to accept 65,000 refugees. the obama administration set a goal next year of 10,000 after accepting only 2,000 total over the for the four years. >> we have the most extensive security vetting that we ever had to deal with syrian refugees coming to the united states. >> the attacks in paris and reports that one of the suspects may have traveled trough france posing as a migrant have fueled vocal republican opposition to the white house plan. >> bringing people into this country from that area of the world, i think is a huge mistake. >> it's not that we don't want to, it's that we can't, because there's no way to background check someone coming from syria. who do you call and do a background check on them? >> jeb bush who seemed sympathetic to the plight of
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refugees this summer now believes only certain kinds of syrians should be let in. >> our focus ought to be on the christian who have no place in syria anymore. they're being beheaded, executed by both sides. >> for the entire republican presidential field. >> is this a trojan horse? >> it amounts to a political layup. a research indicated 70% of republican voters were very concerned about the rise of islamic extremism compared to 45% of democratic voters. there have been four straight days of intense media coverage from paris. republican candidates, senators rand paul and ted cruz both plan to introduce legislation blocking that immigration legislation policy. >> planning to bring 10ion of thousands of syrian refugees to america i think is absolutely alone see. >> even hillary clinton, perhaps mindful of her potential general
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election candidacy next year has stayed relatively quiet on this issue. at the last democratic debate when asked, she focused on the security of americans, not the plight of thousands of refugees. >> i said we should go to 65, but only if we have as careful a screening and vetting process as we can imagine, whatever resources it takes. >> more tin o'malley believes the proper screening is already in place, and he spoke about america's moral obligation. >> accommodating 65,000 refugees in our country today, people of 320 million is akin to making room for six and a half more people in a baseball stadium with 32,000. >> all of this means when it comes to full throated support for syrian refugees coming to the united states, democrats o'malley and sanders stand alone. >> we will do what we do best and that is be americans fighting racism, fighting scene
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phobia and fighting fear. >> after the break, more on the raids just outside paris that ended in violence. stay with us.
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