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today. they are donating 99% of their facebook shares to charity. and that's currently worth $45 billion. the donation will be given over the course of their lifetime. and it's to commemorate the birth of their daughter. that's all of our time and thank you for being with us. i'm tony harris. john ig sig is back with us now. >> we begin tonight with increased military presence in iraq and syria. ashe carter said that special operation forces will expand in the fights against isil and ground troops which the pentagon is looking for. >> reporter: the u.s. already has 3500 troops in iraq being, including special operation forces that have already conducted raids against isil targets in both iraq and syria. but back in october, after that raid in which the u.s. assisted kurdish forces to rescue
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prisoners in northern iraq, secretary carter promised there would be more raids like that, and today's move is an effort to make good on that promise. in more than three hours of testimony before the armed services committee, ashe carter and joseph dunford faced predictably sceptical questions. >> are we winning, mr. secretary? >> we will win. >> are we winning now? >> we're going to win. >> reporter: have we currently contained isil? >> we have not contained isil. >> both democrats and republicans seemed dissatisfied with the pentagon talking points, but they're making progress, and gaining momentum. >> i can climb down from here and say that i'm making progress, and if i run the next 15 feet, i'm gaining momentum.
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>> reporter: carter unveiled one wrinkle to the plan, something that he called a special expeditionary targeting force, u.s. comandos to be based in irbil, iraq, to conduct raids in both iraq and syria. sometimes jointly with the iraqi forces and sometimes unilaterally. with a mission to free hostages, gather intelligence, and capture isil leaders. >> it takes what we're good at. at possibility and the long reach, which nobody else has. and it puts everybody on notice in syria, you don't know at night who is going to be coming in the window. >> reporter: carter argued it could create a snowball effect, to convince more locals to join in the fight. >> they exist, and they're hard to find. and we're going to try to get more. >> reporter: they destroyed
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400 fuel trucks, as evidence that the air campaign was picking up. a squad run commander was incredulous that the trucks were not among the targets hit when they first started. >> you mentioned a snowball effect, and the snowball has been going in their direction for the last 17 months. >> reporter: the special troops to syria, announced last month, yet to show up, but the new troops going to iraq won't get there any time soon. the pentagon says that no orders have been issued. and no units ready to go have been identified. >> jamie, thank you. president obama said 65 countries are part of the u.s.-led coalition fighting isil, and that includes france and canada and saudi arabia and jordan and turkey. and two other countries taking on isil, russia and iran. but with the u.s. preparing to send more special forces to iraq and syria, there are new
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questions tonight about how much effort the other partners are putting into the fight. mark is a retired army brigadier general. and he served as the assistant secretary of state for political military affairs, in washington tonight. and so mark, how muchest are those partners putting into this? >> well, i think that you talk to the administration, and they're going to tell that you everybody is putting in different levels of effort. obviously, after a very very short period of time, some of our gulf allies focus their efforts away from isil and more to the yemen fight. but 65 nations, and not all of them have troops on the ground and planes in the air, and they may be providing intelligence and logistic support. but i think that oval, the coalition is getting what is needed even if we don't get the same support out of eachcally. >> so this announcement benefit the defense secretary today. is it a change in strategy and
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is it staying the course? >> actually, i think that it's somewhere in between. up to this point, the special operations forces have been used for one-off targets. used for a single target, going against it, and beating it, and going out months later for a different target. the secretary used a very interesting term that i haven't heard in ten years. the virtuous cycle which was unanimous in what crystal good. it's a high frequency, high tempo style of fighting, where the special forces go in one night and they not only hit their target, but gain tense, and that takes them to another target the next night and another one the next night. that's one. things that i think that we need to do against isil and i'm glad that the administration is doing it. >> don't the special forces need help on the ground? >> well, those are for selected
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counter terrorism missions, but i do agree with you, john, that we need a large ground component, primarily of local forces that we can aid, assist, advise and accompany. but too many american troops on the ground is counter-productive. and now we have the situation where too few american troops on the ground is equally counter-productive. >> they're saying that they're not putting boots on the ground but they were. >> it's also like saying that we're not in combat. you tell any one of the special operations forces that's going to a target. they are going into combat and they know there's a high-risk of casualties. and we're going to see more casualties. we have to accept it. and we don't necessarily have to be embracing it, but we have to be prepared for t. >> and for american special forces, putting in a small number today means that
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thousands will be in place in six months, and you say --. >> at this point, what we're seeing is the small component of our high end special forces, highly train. and specialized missions. that's different than sending in brigades and special missions. it may be that we need special forces on the ground. but we're a long way from tens of thousands of troops in iraq the way that we saw in 2006 and 2007. >> can isil be defeated without u.s. ground forces in. >forcesforces?>> i think that yk the question if isil can be defeated in iraq and syria, and the answer is no. it's clear that they're metastasizing, they brought down a russian aircraft over egypt and attacks in paris and
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mali. and if we continue to focus on iraq and syria, we may be losing sight of the fact that this is a worldwide movement. >> nato said that it plans to it strengthen turkey's defenses on the border with syria. in a meeting in brussels, they agreed to send in aircraft and missiles. and they said that they were in the works long before the shot down a plane last week. into. >> president obama back in washington to the after attending the u.n. climate change summit in paris. the president said that he's confident that the international community is ready for an agreement on emissions. mike viqueira has more from washington >> reporter: after two days in paris, president obama has come to a sweeping conclusion on climate change. >> i actually think that we're going to solve this. >> reporter: the reason for his optimism, pledges from the nearly 200 nations at the summit to reduce output. and while he agrees with the
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scientific consensus, it would fall short of catastrophic consequences, and the president thinks that there's reason now to hope. >> we would establish a concensus on how to approach the problem, and then we can successively turn up the dials as new sources of energy become available. >> reporter: mr. obama said that portions of the agreement should be legally binding, and at the same time, what emerges from paris will not be in the form of a treaty. which would require ratification. that's a non-it starter. house speaker, paul ryan, said that it's between emissions and american jobs. >> when you weigh it, combine the obligations, they don't add up. it's very clear. >> but a new cbs poll, 2/3 of americans support a binding
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agreement to curb greenhouse gas emissions, but conservatives are adamantly opposed. >> this is another example of a president that's not only out of touch, but out of control. he has lost his vision of what will keep america great and strong. >> this week, the house of representatives is expected to vote to reject epa restrictions on coal power plants. back in paris, island countries face innundation if warming isn't slowed or stopped. and president obama said that the time for politics is over. >> that's more of a matter of the games that washington plays. that's why people should be confident that we'll meet our commitments on this. >> the commitments from the u.s. and other nations represented in paris will be known next week, as the historic summit is scheduled to end.
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>> climate change is becoming a key issue in the presidential campaign. there are major differences between the two parties and within the two parties. david schuster reports. >> this has happened. we're not turning back. >> at a news conference tuesday in paris, president obama expressed confidence that his successor will keep u.s. promises to cut greenhouse gas emissions. when you're in the job, you think about it differently than when you're running for the job. >> the president pointed out that world leaders are talking about climate change and referred to the u.s. he polls. >> the good news, the politics inside of the united states is changing as well. >> at the moment, the u.s. politics are being driven by the presidential nomination contest. >> and obama apparently thinks you're having an suv in your driveway is more dangerous than
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a bunch of terrorists trying to blow up the world. >> reporter: in addition to ted cruz, the republican candidates who say climate change is manmade and requires no action including donald trump, ben carson, rand paul and marco rubio. >> so we're not going to destroy our economy and make america a harder place to create jobs. it will do absolutely nothing. >> the out liars in the presidential field, jeb bush, chris christie and john kasich. they say that humans are partly responsible for climate change, but market forces will eventually fix things, and no government action is necessary. here's christie on tuesday on msnbc. >> the climate is changing forever, and it will always change. >> reporter: in the democratic nomination race, there's a polar opposite view.
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hilliary clinton and bernie sanders and martin o'malley each say that we need to change. >> we need to stop fossil fuel be production, and start a clean energy future. >> cammedders would go the farthest. tax emissions and invest in renewable energy, and winter rise all homes. according to sanders, it's about national it security. >security >> reporter: climate change is related to the growth of terrorism. and you're going to see countries all over the world. this is what the cia says. they're going to be struggling over limited amounts of water and land to glow their crops, and you're going to see all kinds of international problems. >> since she joined the race, hilliary clinton has staked out more pro environment positions, she emphases oil drilling and the keystone pipeline.
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>> we will make america the world's clean energy super power >> reporter: none of president obama's pledges are binding under domestic or international law. so the 2016 election outcome may determine if the u.s. follows through, regardless of the current president's perspective. >> i think that people should be confident that we'll meet our commitments on this. >> david schuster, aljazeera. >> puerto rico made a last-minute $354 million payment today to avoid defaulting on its debt. the island owes billions. and the island is out of cash. robert ray is in san juan with more. robert. >> john, desperate times desperate measures, and that's what the governor of puerto rico is asking congress to do.
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a day of uncertainty for puerto rico's leader, governor alejandro padilla. he told them that the cost will be catastrophic for the u.s. territory. >> this is a distress call from 5 million american citizens that have been lost at sea since 1996. it's your choice whether to answer or to disregard. this call from the people of puerto rico. >> reporter: back in puerto rico, the beach is packed. tourists roam old san juan, and government officials try to explain exactly how bad the situation is. >> you authorized the transfer of money today so this island did not go into default. how much and to whom? >> around $254 million were
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transferred today. >> melba acosta is the president of puerto rico's government development bank, and she has been a key player in the negotiation with creditors and bond holders and investors, but she says that congress must clear a path restructure for chapter 9 bankruptcy protection. >> realistically, is anyone in congress listening to what you have to say, and do they even care? >> you would be surprised. we are hopeful, we can't say that it's definitely going to happen. but i think that there are chances for it to happen. >> many streets in the capital city are looking run down, as businesses close and people are living in extreme poverty. thousands are leaving the island for the u.s. mainland every month, looking for better opportunities, while basic necessities like electricity and water are at risk. we caught up with victor
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suarez, the island's secretary of state. >> it seems like you're playing russian roulette. >> very concerned. >> what do you do if congress doesn't act? >> we have our plan to structure our debt. and we will continue -- >> back in washington, governor garcia padilla ended his day before congress with a plea. >> this is again a distress call. and it's serious. we are running out of cash. >> reporter: puerto rico owes $1 billion on new year's day. a daunting amount for a commonwealth looking for help from its debtors, and from congress. john, the sales tax has already been raised to try to curb the debt. and other taxes have increased over the years. schools have been shut here and pretty much anything possible that the government can think of to cut the debt, they have
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tried and now they're looking for congress as their last hope here in puerto rico, john. >> robert ray, thank you. investigators in indonesia say that bad weather was not to blame for the airasia crash last year. they said that it was a bad railroad and the flight crew failed to deal with it properly. the rudder system had recurring problems throughout the year. and it crashed in december and 162 onboard were killed. more fallout from the volkswagen emissions scandal. u.s. sales dropped 25% last month. even with it deep discounts, vw sold less than last year. beatle dropped 40%. the pesat, 60%, and the company said that losses resulted in their decision to stop selling diesel cars back in september.
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>> this morning, i formally asked for his resignation. >> chicago's top cop is fired over the shooting death of a black teenager. will others also lose their jobs? threat level. americans accused of thing to join isil. a closer look at the allegations of entrapment. plus, seeing red on this world aids day. symbols of support and stories that show the fight is far from over.
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>> the mayor of chicago fired the top police officer today. calling for gary mccarthy's resignation. last week, the city released the dash cam of a white officer shooting a black teenager to death. why didn't she release the tape. and why did it take so long to charge the police officer with murder? >> gary mccarty has been on the hot seat and he had the support of rare rahm emanuel until today. he held a conference to say that he fired gary mccarthy because he had become a distraction. >> i have a lot of loyalty to what he has done and him, but i have a bigger loyalty to the city of chicago. >> reporter: but hours earlier, he told a reporter that he had no plans to leave his job. >> i'm not going to give up on
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the chicago police department and on the city, i love this city, and i'm not going anywhere. >> reporter: mccarty's ouster follows a week of protests involving his handling of the shooting of laquan mcdonald. last week, they released a video showing the 17-year-old black teen running down the city street and then being shot 16 times by officer van dyke. aljazeera is freezing the video after the first shot. he is charged with first-degreer murder out on bond. and since then, protesters have taken to the chi streets, outraged over how long it took to release the video and charge van being dike. ♪ even with the bark lash. his office had supported, and
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saying that he's not the only one that needs to be held accountable. >> it's not just the police administration, but all administration, what did they know and when? >> he will review police policy and recommend possible changes in the department. he deflected questions about stepping down as well. >> i think that i do my job and through to do it every day in a professional bay. >> reporter: that wasn't good enough for protesters outside of the mayor's office. they demanded more accountability from the city and the an independent auditor to oversea the police department. >> what's missing here, the mayor is not accountable to anyone, and what we're suggest with the police auditor ordinance, there would be someone who had the pair outside of mayor's office to look at policing. >> reporter: now, late this afternoon, the illinois attorney general asked the department of justice to investigate the chicago police department. john.
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>> so diane, you have the mcdonald case, and then you have another similar case that's getting attention, right? >> yes, and that's the case of 25-year-old ronald johnson, and he was shot a week before mcdonald. and his case is still under investigation, but it would his family is asking that the dash cam video of his shooting be released to the public. >> any idea why it's taking so long on this case? >> we don't know. it's still under investigation, and that's a question that the family has been asking. >> all right, diane eastabrook, thank you. a u.s. marine has been convicted of killing a transgender woman in the philippines. he was found guilty of homicide but he escaped a more serious murder conviction. he strangled jennifer laud in a hotel room last year after he found out that she was transen gender. he is sentenced to 12 years in prison. coming up next on the
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broadcast, americans recruited to join isil. new research about who they are, and plus, the sting operations used to stop them. and islamaphobia in america. the explosive rhetoric. what it means to muslims in this country.
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>> homegrown, stopping threats
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before the fear. >> if somebody is expressing fears, they feel that it's important for the government to come in and push them along. >> does the fbi cross the line in the name of security? muslim in america, our panel discussion, from the rise of isil to what some are calling rising islamaphobia. plus, profile in courage, 60 years later, honoring rosa parks and the movement she helped ignite. a new study from george washington university shows the u.s. has been cracking down on domestic isil recruits. there have been 56 related arrests so far in 2015. the most in a single year since 9/11. 40% of those arrested were converts to islam. more than half of those suspects tried to travel overseas.
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about 70% were arrested in operations involving an informant or undercover agent. those fbi sting operations helped to locate potential recruits. but some leaders are speaking out about the strategy. they say that it's entrapment. >> you do yourself a favor by forgiving them. >> reporter: the arrest of 19-year-old mohamed at an airport in 2014 rattled the chicago muslim community s investigators say that he was planning to fly from chicago to istanbul to join isil after buying three tickets for himself and two siblings. >> many young people are passionate and concerned about what'sing happening in syria. they made the wrong choices to join isil or other terrorist organizations, and it's illegal. >> reporter: before leaving, he wrote a three page letter to parents, saying that he could no longer justify living in the
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u.s. i cannot sit here and let my brothers and sisters get killed with my hard-earned money. at a news conference, his mother spoke directly to those she held responsible. >> leave children alone! >> tom durken specializes in cases like that, and it's in murky territory. >> if someone is predisposed to commit a crime, that gets very very difficult when you're talking about young kids. that's part of the reason there's such a perception in the muslim community that these kids are being entrapped. >> in late october, he pled guilty to supporting a terrorist organization, and he faces 15 years in prison. >> i don't think that there's any question that he was brain washed and taken advantage.
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>> reporter: with the rise of isil in the middle east, there has been a new effort to capture threats on u.s. soil. >> i have homegrown extremist investigations in every single state >> reporter: and there has been a notable increase in isil arrests. from march of 2014 to june 2nd of 2015, 56 people, mostly men, were charged with supporting isil. and there of been victims plotting attacks in the u.s. in the name of isil. one of them is 20-year-old john hooker junior, charged with attempting to carry out a suicide bombing at the u.s. army installation in kansas. he had been on the list for months, attending prayers here in topeka. >> several months after he began to come, i got a call from the fbi agent. >> he is adviser to the
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department of corrections. he said that the fbi offered to council booker, and questions online about jihad. >> they said that john indicated that he wanted to become a martyr, and he was ready to meet allah and ready to join a jihad. >> at what point did you realize that he needed more than spiritual guidance? >> two or three weeks after we had begun to talk, he told me that he had been on medication, and i discussed with the fbiing agent to see if they could get him help, along with the islamic center, mental help. >> reporter: in an unclassified fbi report, investigators say that booker checked himself into a mental health facility. and noted that he didn't have access to a vehicle or firearms. despite his history of mental
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illness, seven months later, he said that he had a cousin who could get people overseas, and asked booker what he wanted to do. he said anything, anything that you think is good, i will follow you. he said if he was ready to fight, he would have to prove it. he responded, i will kill any non-believer and follow any place. he was provided with what he thought was an explosive-filled van. federal investigators said that he drove it to a little-used utility gate. and once on base, booker was told to detonate it to kill as many as possible. the bomb was a fake, and booker was arrested and now is in prison. >> fbi agents and joint task force officers in arizona and california arrested six men >> reporter: but the investigation -- >> the social media is pulling in young people and recruiting them. >> reporter: often paraded by
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authorities that rely heavily on sting operations. >> he did constitute a threat to those of us in the united states. >> reporter: the fbi in kansas would not comment on the booker investigation. >> if somebody is expressing ideas that are troubling, they feel that it's appropriate for the government to then come in and push them along. >> mike spent ten years with the fbi, specializing with undercover work and domestic terrorism. >> because there are people out there, and half of the crimes in this country go unsolved, one-third of the murders and 60% of the rapes, for the government to spend money on sting operations distracts from the real cases >> reporter: the fbi did not respond. but he wrote:
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we asked leaders here in chicago what law enforcement should do instead. >> look, if you find somebody on the path to radicalization, what do you do about it? you encourage them, why don't you have a program of rehabilitation, rather than let them continue to be radicalized, pull them back. >> in the absence of those measures, there's concern in the muslim community that those vulnerable to online predators will choose the wrong path. >> let's continue the conversation with our panel together. dr. gotha ahmed, he's a huffington post contributor, and a professor, and the imam
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of the musk of the islamic brotherhood of new york. welcome and it's good to have you on, let's start with the idea of entrapment, dr. ahmed. do you believe that the government is trying to entrap those who otherwise wouldn't commit crimes? >> i think that the government is in an impossible place. islam, it's an imposter of islam. and it preys on individuals with the idea to begin to participate in a narrative as jihaddists, and their intentionsing and language are expressed, so if we try to arrest this, we do need it know about the dialogues and conversations. >> but are there many is lambs or one? >> there's one islam. and there are many perspectives and understandings of it. but additionally, going to your original question, the use of entrapment, i think it's
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criminal the way that the fbi right now, and in the past constantly pardons people who are mentally ill, and people who are marginally intelligent and then entraps them in these reducerueses. >> what we're seeing is a misuse in the direction of resources, and the fact that this is coming on the heels of the video that we're seeing out of chicago, it's law enforcement run amuck. they're saying that we need quick and easy wins. >> no legitimate threat? >> there's always a legitimate threat. but smarter ways to do this. which doesn't rely on entrapment and surveillance.
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and a partnership. >> let's talk about the question of whether islam is associated with the islamic state. you all say no? >> absolutely no. >> no? why? it's called the islamic state. >> but the klu klux klan called themselves white christian knights, and as they have murdered people throughout the centuries, people don't expect for evangelical preachers or mainstream preachers to say, well, this is not associated with our religion. >> if i could interject. it's a little bit more complicate. i agree, the islamic state as it calls itself does not represent any islamic value. but it exists because of distorting our theology into totalitarianism. so islamic state does not represent islam, but it's a corruption, and therefore, it
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has a relationship to it. >> do you agree? >> i'm cautious using the term islamic state, because it's not a term that they use for themselves. the state, islamist state of iraq. >> but it uses islamic as well. >> it's a -- it's a minute difference, but it doesn't give them the authority to speak on our part. you have to understand that their number one victims are other muslims. people out to kill people most regularly are other muslims. the people most willing to reject them are in fact muslims. >> that's true, but for your viewers, this is not a minute difference. there's a chasm between islam, and is amism. which is a perversion. the words sound similar, but they're radically different.
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and there would be as different as if naziism came to power through knock, but represented nothing of democracy. and islamism is the same relationship. >> we have a phrase in america, using the good name of god to shield one's dirty religion, and one should, in looking at these groups, they couch themselves in islamic phrases and quote the qur'an. and i repeat, they're no more representative of islam and muslims than the kkk is of christianity and the bible. >> there's a lot of talk in this country about muslims should stand up and speak out about what's going on. and let me read this quote from manny jamaal, a princeton university professor that came from the new york times. he says where is the panel this
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sunday on the talk shows, where you have muslim leaders alongside of western leaders to conquer the problem, and instead, you get western leaders telling you what they will do about muslims, talking at muslims, so is there a responsibility for muslims to speak out about this or not? >> yes, and we have been doing so, openly and vociferously particularly since 9/11. as a member of the muslim community, as my fellow panelists here, we're sick of people asking us, when are you going to speak out when they're constantly speak being out. that's a question that needs to be directed toward the media. >> i was just in paris for these events, and we had the king of jordan and saudi arabia, and numerous leaders condemning it. but however, muslim leaders globally are not doing enough to admit the origins of
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islamism and distracted from some forms of their government and some clerics who are deviant and promoting islamism. >> how do you address that problem? >> i want to echo what think my colleague said. listing 500 pages that come up on a regular basis. >> but she said there are imams preaching this in their mosques. >> but what percentage are we talking about? that's the thing. we're not talking about a large percentage, we're talking about people who are denouncing it, whether it's a common word or a letter. there are senior people coming out and saying this is not who we are. and -- >> to show you that it's not black and white, for over a century, it's muslims who have come out and condemned islamism. since it's 1920 origins in egyptian prisons.
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so davieiateing from islam, we know from marriage in pakistan, in the pakistan military is engaged in combat with them. >> my country of origin is america, and we are muslims in america, and we're not responsible for what other people say and do in our country. >> let's talk about islamaphobia for a second. and i have more to get to. roll the sound bite with donald trump. >> it surveillance of certain mosques if that's okay. and you know what? we'll have it before, and we'll have it again. i will absolutely take database on the people coming in from syria if we can't stop it. but we're going to. if i win, i've made it known, if i win, they're going to back. we can't have them. >> since paris, has there been a backlash. >> there has been a rising
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pino phobia toward muslims. and yes, i think that there's a new level of hysteria. but i would distinguish xeno phobia. islamism, anything to do with islam. promoted by islamists who would not like to be subject to scrutiny. so there are two things. certainly donald trump and ben carson, a fellow physician, are responsible for rising the phone of xeno phobia in the current discourse. >> how do you respond to donald trump? >> he's woefully ignorant or intentionally deceptive. he mentioned surveillance of mosque beings, but in fact, in america, there have been
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mosques surveilled in new york city. and surveillance of mosques in america has not turned up muslim violent extremists. most of the extremists have been recruited in the streets outside of the mosque. and all you have to do is check the record. >> you understand -- >> apart from those mentally ill people who attend mosques and have been entrapped. >> they're not all mentally ill. >> they're not, and i think that that's a cop out across the board. whether you go into a planned parenthood clinic. >> is there a double standard? >> it's not all mental health. but i think that people are picking on the lowest hanging fruit and they're going after people at the margins of society. law enforcement is going after the people at the margins of society.
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and it's inextricably linked. and across the board, these people are being victimized on multiple levels. >> so why is it so hard in the united states to label anyone who commitments a violent act a terrorist? >> that's an important political question as we await the designation on the man who murdered those people at the planned parenthood clinic. we're waiting. he has not been designated a terrorist, not yet. the man who walked into a church in south carolina and murdered people has not been designated as a terrorist. but i guarantee you, if they had been muslim, they would have been designated a terrorist. and again, people would be pointing a finger at islam. >> title has gone by, and it's great to have you on the program. coming up next, 60 years after rosa parks took the
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stand, refusing to give up her seat. i'll talk to the daughter of malcolm x.
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>> today marks the 60th anniversary of a pivotalle moment in the civil rights movement. when rosa parks refused to give up her seat to a white person on a public bus. she was arrested, sparking a boycott of buses in alabama. and it lasted for more than a year, until the supreme court ruled that bus segregation is unconstitutional. parks died at the age of 92. the daughter of malcolm x. and dr. betty shabaz, an author, department of criminal justice, welcome. and what do you see of the significance of rosa parks in this anniversary, 60 years later? >> i think that it's all about respecting human dignity. and to see this young woman, a lot of people don't realize
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that many people who made such a historic moment that they were young activists in their teens and 20s. so i think that it speaks to young people across the nation that you must respect my human dignity. >> we see on college campuses today, there are young people who say, i understand that black lives matter. but i'm color blind and i grew up color blind. a lot of kids today think that civil rights doesn't matter anymore. >> they think that it doesn't matter anymore. but when you begin to see all of these young people who are being senselessly brutally killed for no reason, other than the color of their skin or being at the wrong place at the wrong time, i think that you have a profound reaction, so it's good that our young people are having a reaction to these injustices. >> it seemed like such a
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monumental event 60 years ago when rosa parks sat down on that bus and wouldn't get up, but as you say, black young people across this degree are being shot by the police, and there are questions about racism on campuses, and whether or not people believe they're color blind or not, there are clearly some racial problems. so how much did rosa parks really achieve back then? >> well, i think that it's a matter he making sure that this information is included in the history books. we heard in texas that they were talking about erasing a lot of the history of civil rights move. and history of slavery that people contributed to society, just erasing it from the history books, instead of acknowledging that all of this is part of our history. and all of this truly does matter. i think that the things that my father was addressing, they
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reacted that there was something wrong with malcolm instead of the things that were wrong in our society. and i think that they will continue until we come to the table and have a real discussion about it. >> that sounds great. >> sounds great, right. >> as a child of the 60s myself with all of the hope that this world was going to change, i look at what'sing happening this year, and i say, i don't understand. >> well -- >> you understand. >> and i think that you understand too. and i think again that we have to teach our children better. we're responsible for what we're teaching them. so if they turn their backs, and if they can step over someone who they see lying on the street dying, do we want them to be malcolm x and have true compassion? to be honest with the issues that continue to plague our society. or do we want to present that
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they don't exist? >> so if you were to have that conversation today, what would it look like? >> i think everything that my father was talking about in the 60s, in the 50s. everything that -- all of these people were dying for, as long as we can remember. we have to take an honest look at race relations, and an honest look at what these young people were fighting for. for human dignity. >> so what would you tell children in the classroom today about 60 years ago, what rose ago parks did? >> well, gosh, we talk about that often. at some point, you have to say enough is enough. you have to have compassion. you know, you have to be able to stand up, as my father said, stand up for something, or just get out of the way. we look at shakespeare -- sea
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of trouble by opposing it. you have to make your life matter and do something. if you see something, address it. >> thank you very much. >> coming up next, the medical breakthroughs and the devastating losses. observing world aids day around the globe.
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>> around the globe, people are observing world aids day. remembering those lost to the disease, and people still fighting it. tonight, what the red ribbon symbol really means. >> draped in front of the white house, surrounded by
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candles in indonesia. umbrellas held by school children in south korea. the red ribbon has become a universal symbol for a simple idea. raise awareness. no matter the language or location, the sign, the message is the same. this is world aids day. the world health organization created the event. the first was observed on this date in 1988. a time when fear and inaction fueled both the risk and the stigma. more than 36 million people are living with hiv. an estimated 35 million have died from it. effective new drugs provide hope. education supplies the facts. but there's still no cure for what remains a public health crisis. last year alone, some 2 million people became infected. 220,000 were children. and while the infection rates are falling, most of the new
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cases are from sub saharan african countries, where treatment remains a challenge. on this world aids day, the red ribbons are to reflect on lives lost and lives that can be saved. that's our broadcast. and thank you for watching, i'm john seigenthaler, see you tomorrow night. ali velshi on target is next. v . i'm ali velshi. on toroth tonight something fishy in the food supply. genetically altered salmon is fit for consumption says the government.
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u of the s food and drug administration has sparked a new debate about genetically modified food. in particular frankenfish that salmon produced by a company is just as safe for humans to eat as regular salmon. they grow to full size in as little time as normal salmon. i'm going to have more on what this all means for traditional fisherman in a moment. you should know that some of the nations biggest and best known food retailers are already saying no thanks to genetically salmon. they include groger and target whole foods and cosko and that's one sign that gmos have as much to do with money and fear as it does scientific evidence. most major