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>> hi everyone i'm john siegenthaler. welcome to our program. we begin with presidential politics and the state of the race in the aftermath of the wisconsin primary. the big winners were democrat bernie sanders and republican ted cruz.
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they may have made it more difficult for hillary clinton and donald trump to secure respective party nominations. david schuster reports. >> it is my greatly pleasure to introduce hillary clinton. >> reporter: in pennsylvania, the democratic front runner embraced organized labor and tried in her speech to reset her campaign. >> when unions are strong, families are strong and americans are strong. >> but after losing the last eight democratic contests, her frustration with bernie sanders is boiling over. in a television interview she attacked him over climate change. >> i couldn't believe it when senator sanders opposed the paris agreement, the best chance we have to embrace climate change and deal with the consequences. >> reporter: but senator sanders said he didn't oppose
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the paris agreement for any other reason than it doesn't go far enough. some environmental activists are now blasting clinton, quotemen s part of clinton's challenge with progressives on environmental issues is that she is supported fracking. bernie sanders has consistently opposed it. >> no, do i not support fracking. >> reporter: polls suggest most democrats on this are with sanders and it's a wedge issue that can be big for democratic voters in new york. polls suggest clinton's overall lead has dropped to 12 points when just last month her lead in other polls were as high as 40. sanders erased a double digit
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deficit. fest. >> you are going to be proud of your country again. >> reporter: the republican race could provide a recess for gop front runner donald trump. but reeling from a bad loss tuesday night in wisconsin the trump campaign is intensifying its fight against cruz, santa cruz is no worse than a stroaj aa trojanhorse. >> this is going to be a very serious problem. if senator cruz continues to go go down that path and then neither trump nor cruz becomes the nominee. >> instead he focused reporters and diners on his anti-regulation policies. >> i'm very glad we're here in a small business that's providing jobs providing opportunities and
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it is getting harder and harder for small businesses like this. be. >> reporter: are immigrantcommu. >> if you are an immigrant you're not welcome here. >> reporter: in your face style pay add to the intensity of the gop race and regardless what happens in new york and beyond the odds of a contested republican consequence are growing. >> god bless you! >> reporter: that would be good news for democrats except the race between clinton and sanders also remains undecided. >> we've got to get the energy going. >> reporter: david schuster, al jazeera. senator sanders highly publicized interview with the new york daily news is being used against him again. if they followed the law in selling those weapons. this drew the ire of the
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daughter of the principal killed in the sandy hook shooting, who took to twitter, saying, shame on you, bernie sanders. love the sandy hook daughter. in l.a. tonight, bill how is new york different when it comes to politics? >> tougher, wilder, more wide-open, much no more media coverage. it's the wild west. in this case it's donald trump's home state, hillary clinton's state she remitted in the senate for a number of years and where bernie sanders was born and grew up. many of them can claim ties to new york. >> does donald trump be''s posin mean he's got a leg up? >> he's got a style but not
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particularly particular in new york. they usually go for a establishment moderate republican which is not quite donald trump's style. on the other hand, to vote against trump means they would have to volt for somebody like ted cruz or particularly ted cruz, not a be trump style republican, it's going to take some effort for ted cruz to be able to win new york. >> we saw those protesters who complained about ted cruz's immigration policy, is he likely to see more of this in your face campaigning and have to deal with it? >> hey, it's new york. everybody is going to be in your face. that's what they do there. wherever trump shows up, wherever cruz shows up or wherever perhaps clinton and sanders show up. >> hillary clinton is grew up in
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new york, bernie sanders is from new york. >> the new york democratic party has a large proportion of the minority voters. african americans, latino americans, heavily in democratic primaries and they have in the past generally vetted for hillary clinton. however, bernie sanders cut into those votes substantially. it should be a hillary clinton advantage but there are a lot of liberals and progressives who like bernie sanders so it could end up with sanders momentum now, could be a much closer race than we thought. >> you have heard liberal democrats speaking out lately complaining that bernie sanders is tearing down hillary clinton and make her weaker for republicans in november. how do you read that? >> that assumes of course she's the northwest annal nominee which sanders would never assume. that's what a primary is all about a divisive primary.
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usually the different sides make up and kiss in the end then it's okay. whoever wins a tough primary fight usually looks stronger as a result. so if she wins this primary fight after a tougher challenge from sanders she could look a lot stronger. >> bul saunders, thank you bill. >> sure. >> you might think of florida or ohio, you probably would not think of the u.s. virgin islands. but this year's different. adam may reports from st. croix. >> just a little over 100,000 americans live in the u.s. virgin islands. although they are citizens they don't have the right to vote in the general election. but many are active in party politics and this year they could be more important than ever. paradise and politics are surfing towards a collision in the u.s. virgin islands.
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the u.s. territory will send nine delegates to the gop convention and they are planning to make a splash. >> :00 hottest date in town, all of us that are uncommitted. let's put it this way: they realize it. if they don't, the ground game is critical now. >> holland redfield, the talk show host says presidential candidates are wooing him and the unbound delegates. >> they want a marriage. i want more than flowers. >> have you made a decision on who you are going to support? >> as i told you, i'm leading towards john kasich. i think he's the only adult in the room. the only one i have real difficulty with is donald trump. >> the virgin islands and
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american samoa are not holding preference votes. neither are wyoming and colorado. that is 121 gop delegates plus a handful from other states up for grabs. that includes john canegotta, chair of the virgin delegates. >> what if he lost by two votes? that's when a couple votes, nine from the virgin islands becomes very important. >> reporter: the owner of a gun shop, a u.s. military veteran and a fifth generation virgin islander, his political view leans more conservative. as chair he's also embroiled in a controversy. who will send to the convention as delegates? as the islands sort that out he's sticking to his guns about being open minded. >> i think i'm still neutral. we have a group of great
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candidates and they are being whittled down. >> others active in political campaigns are also voicing opinions. a furniture store in st. croix, part of an influential and sizable contingent of muslim business owners on the islands. >> we basically control the economy, this here owned by an arab person i would say 70% of the tenants are arabs. another big block are arab, the ensure major supermarkets here in the island and st. thom ass are being owned by arab be bees. arabs. the political campaigning right now especially in the republican party is a very disappointed for
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me. that two front runners, donald trump and santa cruz, the ted -y don't represent the party that i'm proud of. the two of them you are outrageously insane about the way they run their businesses and the lack of respect for each other. >> reporter: given the fact that st. croix has a large muslim you american community, many business owners you must have the ear of some of the uncommitted delegates that will be heading to the convention, what do you tell them? >> they're not going to vote for trump. i don't think they're going to vote for ted cruz either. these two people are so outrageously far-right. you know? we need somebody moderate to be the representative of the republic in this case. i wish john kasich good luck.
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>> while who the uncommitted delegates will represent is up in the air, they need more from washington to deal with their struggling economy, high unemployment and lack of social services. >> reporter: what does it mean to you that the virgin islands may get a really big say in this? >> finally some of these issues that we have been screaming and hollering about we will be heard, and that we are in a position of strength, not weakness. >> reporter: do people here feel cheated by washington that they don't get to vote in the general election? >> i absolutely believe the virgin islands should vote for president. my father served during korean war, i served in desert storm. my brother served in iraq. we absolutely will be represented. >> an island known for its butte, hoping to add political power to its reputation.
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these unbound delegates have made a play before, gerald ford ended up baiting out renld reagan thanks oplaces like the virgin islands. whereby adam may, al jazeera, st. croix. a blast at the upper big branch mine in west virginia, the former company's ceo is going to prison. a fine of $250,000 for conspiracy. federal safety inspectors said if basic safety rules would have been followed there would have been no loss of life. lawyers for a former new york police officer convicted of shooting an unarmed man are asking for a new trial. they claim one member of the jury convictpeter l beiang may
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have lied during jury selection. roxana saberi is here. roxana. >> they learned the father of one of the jor joors was convi f manslaughter. >> i'm appalled, discouraged 81 set. >> two e-also spoke out. with one unidentified 62-year-old i don't remember 62, if something is wrong you shouldn't get a slap on the wrist. liang's attorneys said the father of that juror, michael
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vargas, spent time in prison for accidentally shooting a friend. they are calling for a retrial. in this court document liang's attorneys quote the judge during jury selection, asking vargas, have you or anyone close to you been accused of a crime? after back and forth the judge said, i'm talking about close family or yourself. vargas responds, no, no. a person who lies his way onto a jury is a strange are in the jury room. posts like this one that vargas made on facebook before the trial, suggests he thinks police officers get away with violence. asked about the request for a retrial, the be spokesman for the brooklyn city attorney's office said, we will respond to the motion in court. we reached out to vargas, he told us he wouldn't speak to anyone except the judge.
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faces up to 17 years in prison but john the prosecutor has requested a sentence of house arrest, community service and probation. >> all right roxana, thank you. determined orisk it all. and treating heroin adecision, an old painkiller could be anew alternative. alternative.
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>> the european union now sending refugees from greece back to turkey. but that is not stopped the flow of migrants trying to get to
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greece. harry fawcett witnessed one attempt from the stushed coast. turkish coast. >> you hear it before you see it. anxiety, exhaustion, desperation, so many children have drown making this journey yet more still come. even if this is one of the rare life jackets that actually floats, it's of no use to the tiny body inside. others make do with rubber tubes. even then not everybody's wearing them. these are iraqi families who probably paid hundreds of dollars a head for passage to the greek island of lesbos. but the boat is too small even for 40 or so packed into it. this is how families are separated in a moment. he could only call out, look after the woman. it's been a chaotic few minutes here on the west coast of turkey. the message from the eu from
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turkey from greece these kind of voyages are futile, these people are going to be sent back but still they're desperate to go. a handful are left on the shore, we are asking why they risk all of that, to go to a greek holding center before they are sent back. >> we are under oppression, bombs, killing and oppression, turkey doesn't want us to stay, where else should we go? is it better to sink into the water with our children? >> reporter: this time there was no sinking no death but no safe passage either. within a few minutes a coast guard patrol had intercepted them. it's a trade facilitated by men like abu jafar, he says with business down sharply since the eu turkey deal agents like him
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are trying to convince customers that they have a chance to get into greece. >> i still send them to greece, they have a chance with the asylum program. >> reporter: of course such chance he are slim. europe is trying oclose the door. wednesday was to see the first official batch of syrians, sent back to greece, one or one trade. instead the only arrivals were ones who had been ton water a number of hours. -- on the water a number of hours. >> translator: we are going to greece to escape the war. do you think it was a holiday? we can't stay here, everyone treat us badly, they exploit us. >> reporter: what happens to them now is far from clear. still in the same country as those they left behind on the shore but separated from them. the children play, a warped version of a morning on the
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beach, a life jacket whistle becomes a toy, instead of a call for help. harry fawcett, al jazeera, turkey. >> britain is make it harder for immigrant workers to stay in the u.k. noneu workers now must make over $50,000 a year to stay there. barnaby phillips reports. >> reporter: in a pub just over the road from downing street, a party that is also a protest. against new immigration rules that will make it much harder for noneuropeans to stay. cruel and ill-conceived. allison has a degree from the royal so it of music.
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under the new rules, allison who is american will soon have to leave the u.k. >> this is my home. i shouldn't be forced to leave my own home, especially when i work so hard for it daily. and the big problem of this visa legislation, changing the rules, it is not valuing anything but income which doesn't accurately represent a person's value within society anyway. >> reporter: the british government says it is taking this option, because some businesses use the easy option of using from overseas rather than training up. these won't seclud exclude skild migrants. for years, its promise to sharply reduce the numbers of people coming the this country.
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but last year net migration to the u.k. stood at nearly 320,000, almost a record high. the government argues that this puts great strain on britain's schools, hospitals and housing and it's underpressure to bring the number of prying rants down. but opponents of the new rule say it will hurt vital parts of the british economy. shannon, also american, is trying to drum up public support for people threatened with expulsion from britain. >> we're here we're charity workers, teachers, educators, on the nhs doing other jobs acknowledge entrepreneurs and even students coming in the future and wanted to settle there wouldn't be allowed to unless they played 35k. >> even the official statistics show that this will cost britain money and will have modest effect on immigration figures. but the government is not prepared to back down.
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soon some of these people will be packing their bags, convinced their departure will be britain's loss. barnaby phillips, al jazeera, london. coming up next, the staggering rise in owes beesity and what doctors are doing to try to bring it under control. and billions of dollars in counterfeit goods, we ride along with police to see how they're cracking down. >> it's coming together little by little. >> we're making it the best that we can. >> we're not deterred. we're building a historic project here. >> how big do you see this getting? >> we're trying to get a feel for what the people of iran are thinking right now. >> the galleries and the art and the parties, everything.
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it's getting better. >> greece is this close to running out of cash. i went there to show you first-hand. >> if you paid taxes, you expect to having something back. >> the city is a powder keg at the moment. >> we're back square minus one. >> now it's time for something different. >> this is the entrance to the global seed vault. nations around the world contribute stashes of every kind of seed imaginable if something really bad were to happen, humankind can start all over again. >> all year long we are continuing with our conversation on america's middle-class. >> i'm on a mission that i have to keep. keep this business going. >> the middle-class is a reflection of a city's economic health. it fuels the local economy like it's been doing here at philadelphia's italian market for the last 100 years. >> these are middle-class people who decided it's much better to come back here and they're working to fight to make changes. >> proud to tell your stories.
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>> "inside story" takes you beyond the headlines, beyond the quick cuts,
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beyond the soundbites. we're giving you a deeper dive into the stories that are making our world what it is. >> a new study by the world health organization finds that the number of people living with diabetes has nearly quad resumed since 1980, kills over 1.5 million people every year. health officials warn the number of people affected by the disease will only increase unless drastic measures are taken. tarek ba bazley reports. >> the only one of its type in the country and has seen the number of people with the illness rise every year. many of them with little knowledge about the condition. >> translator: we are so busy
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at home with the children. we don't have time for ourselves. we don't take care of ourselves, the doctor told me not to eat too much sugar or bread or rice. i'll do what he says and hopefully i'll recover. >> reporter: the world health organization says more than 480 million people have diabetes. the w.h.o. says its rise is connected to the increasing rates of obesity and more people being overweight and the trend is most apparent in low and middle income countries. >> the numbers are raising at an alarming rate. at the moment we are ranking one to every ten persons diabetic. but as we're moving on it polite move up to one in every four. so that means you can see at least one person in each family is affected by diabetes. >> wealthy countries such as qatar are also seeing a steep rise in diabetes.
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education programs aimed at young people are stressing the importance of a healthy diet and exercise. rich or poor, underlying the fact that diabetes is a truly global health issue. one that will require dramatic changes to the way we live if current trends are going to be halted. >> there is no one answer that the w.h.o. can give, they can't say, this is the releas recipe,y this and it's going to be okay, it's not. it will be policy makeers as well as the population at a will have to continual up with a solution. >> new forms of the hormone insulin, these can be more effective at treatin treating d, but back in the clinic in pakistan it's bad news for this elderly man. he was diagnosed with diabetes three years ago. poor blood circulation as a
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result of the disease peens he now risks losing his foot. the w.h.o. says, individuals and governments need to do more and without drastic action, diabetes will continue what its describes as its unrelenting march. be tarek bazley, al jazeera, doha. doctor, tell me why these numbers, why since 1980, the number of patients with diabetes has quadrupled. >> well, we know that it's tied to the increase in obesity. as you know, it's not just adults who have gotten obese particularly in the u.s. there are also children who are now obese. and one form of diabetes, the one that's increasing remarkably called type 2 diabetes, used to be called adult onset because we literally never saw it in kids.
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but now that kids are getting obese, the obesity rate has risen we are now seeing a lot of type 2 diabetes even in children. >> so let me just check you on these numbers here. did the rates actually match, has the rate of obesity quadrupled since 1980 quts. >> yo1980? >> that's a good question. i don't know that i could say that. but we do know the rates of obesity have soared and we now have more people in the world who are obese than are undernourished or underweight. >> we hear a lot about type one and type two diabetes. explain the difference for us. >> sure. type two is the most common. it makes up about 80 to 85% of the cases of diabetes. and that's the one that's increasing remarkably in incidence. and it's caused primarily because insulin, the drug you mentioned is actually a hormone
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in the body becomes less effective as we gain weight. so we call that insulin resistance and it's the underlying problem in type two diabetes. very different from type one diabetes which is really an autoimmune condition that affects the gland that makes insulin and wipes it out completely. so type 1 diabetics have to have insulin to live. whereas type 2 diabetics can survive without insulin, although many will require insulin to get their diabetes in control. >> this rise in type two diabetes, sit on the rise accreditation the board, younger people, older people do we know? >> there are moving parts, the risk factors for diabetes besides becoming obese is also your genetics, which is related to your ethnicity. so we know that certain ethnic groups have more insulin
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resistance and tend to get insulin at lower rates than others, people in the philippines are an example. other risks, for diabetes is smoking, and one of the ones that ties to your question is we tend ose to see more type 2 dias as people age. >> there are campaigns in this country for people to cut back on sugary drinks and food. has that worked? >> that's a really interesting question. so there is a relationship between sugary soft drinks for example and the onset of diabetes. although it is not clear whether it's because of those calories that are consumed in the sugary drinks or whether there is an independent effect. but over the two years, consumption of sugary drinks has
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actually been declining. and it may be in part related to the things that took place in new york where three want to tax sugary drinks. if i can give you a personal story, i was with my two granddaughters 11 and 12. we spent a week together in new york and every time they were offered a soft drink santa restaurant, they said no, we just want water. there is a cultural change in the u.s. >> hopefully, and doctor thank you so much. now to the growing heroin epidemic. methadone fails 10% of chronic addicts. but researchers in vancouver say they found a prescription heroin that work is. allen schauffler is in seattle with more, allen. from. >> reporter: yeah, john, there was interesting findings
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released from a study, from crosstown clinic in vancouver and at that clinic for last couple of years they've been giving heroin users really high grade heroin sometimes three times day as a form of treatment. the concept is harm reduction, the basic idea is if you give the most severely addicted users what their body is craving they will be less likely to turn to street crime or prostitution to obtain street drugs. that's proven successful in vancouver. a year ago, a number of these addicts were given hydromorphone or dilaudid. the users didn't know who was getting heroin or two god
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dilaudid. or hydromorphone works as welt as heroin, keeping people from street crime and reasonably healthy. it is already approved for use, it can be prescribed for pain and can be used for pain in the proper setting. there's a key difference and that's that it's not heroin. so it just doesn't face the regulatory and political challenges that heroin does, when you're talking about treatment for drug users. >> 90 there are plenty -- i know there are plenty of people who have opinions. but what do the addicts say? does it have any impact on them? >> well, there was an addict, one of the several users who was at that press conference in vancouver who said yes we need this. look we're dying out here. and when he's talking about here is the streets of vancouver and hastings street on which this clinic sets is a very depressing
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place and a constant place for hustling for drugs. main and hastings is also flown as pain and wastings, there is a lot of pain and wasting life this. what the addicts are saying we can use any new tool ohelp out, giving us a better chance of surviving. the opponents dismiss this completely. they say it's ridiculous, this is just another way of flushing a human life and giving up on somebody who might benefit from a different kind of treatment. >> allen schauffler, thank you very much. coming up next, vinyl revival, why so many are taking the lp record for another spin. plus a look back at the life and career of country music legend merle haggard.
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haggard. >> the underground economy in fake goods is growing exponentially. law enforcement is cracking down on this illegal trade. dina demetrius reports. >> a midday raid in downtown los angeles by l.a. county sheriff's deputies, not for drugs or guns but for fake designer labels. >> we are going to have a group come in from abercrombie and fitch. identifying the illegal product and seizing it all. >> reporter: investigators say 10% of all manufactured products are counterfeit. while buying knock off designer labels may seem harmless enough, fate can seem helpless. >> it failed two of the three
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tests, one for crash resistance and one for impact resistance. this helmet are to me is a wall piece. >> hundreds of meticulous of counterfeit items that have been seized. gucci, louis vuitton. rolex. they head for county incinerator. crack downs are on the rise in southern california. more than 80% of counterfeits come from china and hong kong. making the port of los angeles the marketplace for smuggled goods. >> if you look at the global drug trade, triple it. >> reporter: chris buckner runs a private investigation firm and works with law enforcement agencies. >> the number of counterfeit goods, the changing platform its
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being sold, it's very overwhelming. the problem is that counterfeiters make so much money, this is a crime that's worth doing. >> when i was 21 years old i already crossed my million dollars. >> reporter: for 16 years sean says he played millions of dollars. he would smug from china and sell them to private clients. even making house cals to celebrities. >> i have doctors, movie stars, you name the profession, i have people buying watches from me, handbags from me, all kind of stuff. they know what they were buying. >> this underground economy runs so deep, buckner says it's a cat and mouse game. >> to be sparter tha smarter th,
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pulling court rowrdz error to rw cases were built. >> when you say back home what do you mean? >> back home let's make it india, pakistan, africa, like you know all kind of places. >> investigators say money from counterfeit products poses a major threat of funding terrorism. >> hezbollah is a major player in counterfeit schemes. they will sell the goods in los angeles and smug that money back to lebanon. >> reporter: back in downtown l.a. without too much pressure, the owner gives the deputies the name of his counterfeit supplier and this investigation will continue. how often will you be able to prosecute someone selling counterfeit items? >> for our case, at least 80% is prosecuted. >> we're going back and forth. it's going to take the consumer
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being educating and making the right choice. >> dina demetrius, al jazeera, los angeles. over the past couple of years, music onible vinyl has made a come back. now classic titles are being reissued in that format. there are only a handful of places to get them ash-har quraishi reports. >> reporter: to escape music abuse chad moved to kansas in 1984 to get sober. >> there is a lot of emotion there, you feel it, it sounds better, it draws you in. is. >> reporter: it was here he found music. at a time in the early 1980s when the compact disk began eclipsing l p answer he began to
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collect. >> you knew vinyl would never die. >> 30 years later, he owns and operates one of the few vinyl producing companies in the nation. in salina, kansas. a time when vinyl is making a come back. according to the recording association of america, the value of lps was up, and reached their highest level since 1988. for audio files the key is in the uncompressed sound quality. it starts with a master recording transferred to a lacquer. it is used to make the music edged nickel coated mother plate. >> very crucial, have your center opened up, now it catches just a little bit. when it's centered we punch the hole. >> the end result is what is known as the stamper.
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this is essentially the negative that's used to press the vinyl record. it goes to the pressroom where it can be used to make up to 1,000 records each. it's old-school production. the ten presses in operation here were obsolete, manufactured in the 1970s. pvc vinyl which is started out as pellets is heated into a biscuit. pressed into two plates, the a side and the b side. the vinyl hardens instantly and out comes a record. every 15 minutes or so a record is collect for quality control. the company has reissued major lps from jimi hen drimpl hendrie doors. >> is it going to continue the resurgence like it is? i don't know. it's not going to go anywhere. it will still be here. >> but he believes newer isn't
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always better. ash-har quraishi, al jazeera, salina, kansas. >> merle haggard died at home today on his 79th birthday. a spokesman says the country icon had been battling pneumonia. as paul beban reports his songs were popular and personal. ♪ one true friend i thought i found ♪ ♪ is tonight the bottle it let me down ♪ >> a honky tonk classic from a true country legend. he was a poet for common man and or the that, merle haggard was extraordinary. 38, number one hits, and millions of fans that span genres and generations. >> i had to have something to say. i had to have something to sing. i had to have something to identify. and some way in music to tell
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people that were listening to me who i was. >> reporter: and haggard had much to say especially about his years of poverty and stints in prison. born near bakersfield california, haggard and his family lived in a box car. ♪ i like guitars and ofiddle >> he left school to find a growing rap sheet that sent his to san quentin. he helped create what's known as the bakersfield sound. at the height of the vietnam war haggard released this. ♪ we don't burn our draft cards down on main street ♪ ♪ we like living right and free
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♪ >> reporter: oakie from muskoge rvetion wagee was his r. among the tributes, one from good friend willie nelson, my brother my friend, i will miss him. paul beban, al jazeera. >> we'll be right back.
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>> coming up tonight, we'll have the latest... >> does the government give you refugee status? >> they've marched to the border. >> thousands have taken to the streets here in protest. >> this is where gangs bury their members. >> they're tracking climate change. >> it's fair to say there is no one like marina abramovich. her shows are shocking and surprising. marina joined me in our studios recently and i asked her when she knew being a performance artist was her calling. >> i didn't know, i was 14 years
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old. what's important to know is for an artist to know which tool is to express his work. for some painting is a tool, working with the sculpture, or writing. for me when i learned i can use my own body and energy of the body to express ideas, i flew i my actual performance is my tool. >> let me move a little bit further forward and talk about what you did at moma, the artist is present. >> yes. >> it got an inordinate amount of attention, an amazing amount of attention. i looked at the video again today before i did this interview. how do you come up with the idea? >> i'm not one that works in a studio, i hai hate the studio.
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you don't get ideas from studio. >> not from art studio? >> you get ideas from life. i do the life. the idea has to come like the highollowgram. hol hologram in front of you. >> how did you get the artist is present idea? >> i was in india, i was thinking about what am i going to do in moma. i stayed in retreat for one month. i remember very quiet place under some mystery you know? i think i have to think simple, we have to go back to simplicity because our life is too complicated. you know technology took everything from us. let's be simple what about human being looking to each other. >> and you have human being look at human being. >> yeah. >> people looking at you sitting down look at you.
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>> when i said this to creator he said to me, you're totally crazy. nobody will sit in tront of you this is new york. then the chair would be empty but it was never empty never. >> the moment in that performance is when your former lover sits down and you open your eyes and you were surprised by him. are you surpriseby how it unfolded? >> 22 million viewers it's crazy. >> on youtube. >> i think about why it happened, so true, so real, nothing prepared. real life real love store separation, going different separate ways is so much drama there and the public feel this because all of us in our lives have some moments like that. >> anybody can sit in a chair and have someone sit across and look at them but you have 22 million people looking often youtube. you are doing it in moma and
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people are calling it art and magnificent, why? >> very interesting experiment made recently in science. they took the square, like square, and they have original and they have 20 fake paintings and they put only in one line and ask the different people to look at them with the special plugs they put on the brain to see reactions. the people who know art doesn't know art and all kinds of different, the brain react to the original. >> and the vision zero one of your original works. why? >> because of pistol and bullet because probably they will do it. >> you lay all these items on the table, pistol -- other objects. >> 76 items and one bullet. one pistol. >> you say they can do whatever
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they want to to you with those objects. in the beginning they were nice. >> very nice. >> then what happened? >> it took six hours to be not nice. >> they ripped your clothes, they hurt you they cut you. >> right. >> why do you do that? i'm sure people ask the question why would you do this? >> first of all this was the beginning of performance art, the public is being very critical, that this whole thing is not art, it is completely ridiculous. i wanted to disprove the audience that if i don't do anything and i'm completely passive and you have these objects on the table to see what they really going to do and i came to conclusion the public would kill you. that's the really important for me. >> you've done others like this, rhythm 10 right when you take a knife and you would try to hit in between your fingers. >> yes. >> but you make a mistake and you cut yourself. >> then i repeat again orepeat
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mistake to put the time, time present, time past with mistake together. but you see this is not about pain. >> it looks like it's about pain to me. >> but it's not at all. did you ever ask yourself about rituals in ancient cultures? to go through ceremony trfnlings of thtransformation of the body. fear of pain fear of mortality fear of suffering. artists are so many ways stages this in painting in writing in stage. i'm doing this in the public. >> marina, great to see you thank you very much. >> that's our broadcast, thank you for watching. i'm john siegenthaler. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. ali velshi is next.
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