tv The Stream 2017 Ep 156 Al Jazeera September 29, 2017 7:32am-8:00am AST
unfortunately the regional government despite all the friendly warnings has made a huge mistake by holding this referendum as we have always mentioned they have no right to increase tensions in the region for their personal and regional interests u.s. defense secretary james mattis has made an unannounced visit to cattle he's held talks with catalyze amir and defense minister dede airbase it's home to around ten thousand u.s. troops the visit by matters comes after u.s. president donald trump said he's willing to act as a mediator to resolve the dispute between qatar and its gulf neighbors which has been going on now for months. catalan authorities say they want to make sure sunday's independence referendum is peaceful thousands of university students are marching through barcelona to protest that spain's ban on the vote. china says any north korean companies operating in the country will have to shut down by january the u.s. has been pressuring china to use its leverage to force people to give up its nuclear program chinese vice premier league young dong is currently visiting the
united states but those are the headlines the news continues here on al-jazeera after the stream and so much of that. al jazeera is a very important source of information for many people around the world when all the cameras are gone i'm still here go into areas that nobody else is going to talk to people that nobody else is talking to and bringing that story to the forefront. is uganda going to have a president for life a proposed bill to amend the country's constitution that sparked an intense debate online tension in the streets brawls in the parliament and i media shut out. and here in the stream live on al-jazeera english and on you tube and i'm damning the
conversation has been fiery online and i'll bring you in your tweets and your tip comments as they come in now take a look about panel bashers a sample of the comments we've been getting for the show this pitch comes to us from our uganda community here is james problem. because if you're coming. from entering into. what you present to me so when we use the international meet the international media to cover such stories sunday morning something. needless to say that we did ration presidency in any government apart from the president will billions of it we are there for disgusted by this month. and we stand to see what are all going to come about with i.q.
. a bill to scrap constitutional caps on politicians in uganda has put democracy to the test. the and. the us. these are just some of the scenes from parliament on tuesday of that bill came under debate parliamentarians hurled chairs and swung microphone stands exposing a bitter rift between lawmakers m.p.'s from the opposition have vowed to fight the amendment apparently ugandan law prevents anyone over the age of seventy five from running for office the ruling national resistance movement is looking to amend that provision to prevent discrimination in politics the president's party enjoys an overwhelming majority in the assembly and the bill is expected to pass president yoweri museveni has been in power since one nine hundred eighty six he's largely dismissed the amendment and chided other leaders who refused to leave office where
he is speaking to al jazeera in april they've been looking me in this by two more years you know. are you going to run for another term. not going to run for another landfall or as you reach the age limit in three years and you will not follow the course that's can you explain that it doesn't have to do but there are reports that you are about to change the constitution so that it can allow you to run for another term told you it's not going to happen and you will follow the constitution of uganda and what you do with the people are you going to change the constitution i cannot change the constitution because i don't have that problem but is this something that is in the discussion in uganda that is speculation and targeting for speculation. joining us now jackson to for you see is a member of parliament south bobby wine is an opposition member of parliament for john doe east uganda raymond wood uni is a journalist for in t.v. and john m.
back who is professor of economics at weber state university in ogden utah welcome to this stream gentlemen bobbie i'm going to start here on my laptop with a facebook post put out by members of your team yesterday at eleven nineteen a ruthless wrap up by state operatives of the parliament today you other honorable members were detained in police vans and driven to separate police stations right now he's in custody at the police station so you were just released from jail in the early hours of thursday tell us about what happened during that scuffle in parliament from your perspective. well on tuesday one of the members of parliament came into the chamber to the ground on the right one and she will be one of the members great than a lamb and all of our weapons so a scuffle broke out and i made it. make
a gun to. pick up not where the house could not continue because marketers are up to it and it was just so on wednesday that because i came and indeed compounded that the owner go. i had to come in and include your teaching so you would get spending appraisingly even we remember the great concern for spending so we were not allowed to say anything even when the right to object read the speaker gave us fatima to. get out of the chamber we've been listening to him you know soldiers stormed the parliament soldiers from the special forces command. and needs brigade that got the president and came started wrapping up members of the opposition and they need beating us up so we had to put up by because there were too many
a car that drives us out touch our allies and then. doctors and police ones and drove us and trained us for all. we need one drop of homes so clearly a very serious situation but take a look at my laptop here and there are ugandans on twitter who are finding the levity and all of this a few quick means here with your face photo shopped over other people's in a fighting ring here is you looking like rambo or a bit. and this one on top of doing some fighting with the hash tag don't touch it meaning to the presidential age limits so levity on line but this is a serious issue why is it so important to you probably one will article one zero two is very important because now it is the only lasting rémy do we have peaceful transition of power needless to mention that uganda as neighbor had
a peaceful transition of power from one to another and indeed that's one of the reasons that raised in massive in the bush because he promised a fundamental change promised real democracy and when we won our people didn't join the promised. for years and hand over power to a civilian government. since then he has been looking in new light every time mandate expires for the last thirty one years and today. when new. manager age expires he is moving together with party to amend the constitution while i will be president for life. right so i'd like to get you into the conversation raymond you're a journalist who's been covering this story take a look at this tweet we got from hannah she says leave the constitution as it is to
change it to suit one man is unpatriotic and self-serving she's implying that this changes all forms seventy she says i love my uganda but hate my government raymond what are you hearing what are what is the reaction been to this proposal to remove age limits. before we get to the reaction i think it's for going to expose as you need to know that you can as well as one of the youngest populations in the wild but also you have only two point seven percent about populations actually above the age of sixty five and the number of people that have actually seen a presidency that is not my seventies presidency i'm not even more than twelve percent and part of those things that many people fear is that we might have another. transition of power that's not peaceful and so the guns that are left in the constitution for peaceful transfer of power right now there's only one and that's one of the seventy five limit well it doesn't that the president has said that this doesn't solve it in fact he has and i know it exists as of this is the
last time he spoke about it was somewhere around july nineteenth when you say that there was no motion to bit so there was not need for us to talk about its limit but again more of that a lot of pushing for eight people from the ruling party and the ruling but he has a caucus a caucus which he is the chairman of so there is already at the heart of it at the heart of the matter many people say that sixty five and indeed will survive if it passes the president of the country right now. and the moment when we are being done also raises bit of of question we saw yesterday the people well that came into parliament to take on. the members of parliament that had been stuck in parliament the members that you saw walk into parliament and grab. the m.p.'s i actually members of the elite of the presidential special forces command. many of them their faces have been highlighted close to the president on many occasions guiding him
and then of course the parliament rules of procedure clear that if a member of parliament was been suspended doesn't leave the house then it falls upon the sergeant of arms. so it remains a big question why the sergeant of arms who was present then was not allowed to do their job and then of course we had to take extra security from the president's got to come and lift members of parliament out but of course on the streets remains a very contentious much of the ruling party has numbers in the house there have been about three hundred facts the evidence the m.p.'s and the independence of sixty six i think forty eight of the sixty six independent m.p.'s are in a room and it was just as fifty six so if it comes down to give a number the opposition doesn't stand a chance and the education that you see from the opposition to stop it in its early stages is that it shouldn't get down to a game of numbers because they will lose their ok so i hear what you're saying ram
and i want to bring in a member of the president's ruling in our in party jackson you're joining us now can you lay out your party's case for supporting this bill i listen to my colleagues or listen when i watch i mean i need. you know i'm making i mean means to suit the needs of the president so i keep telling my colleagues that and they did say i didn't get into yes i did give him two books one would please levels of procedure of parliament the second one is the constitution you are expected to read out transitional. a constitution was motivated in one thousand nine hundred five in a november and a constitutional law and the constitution is a living thing it must not be a region but must also not be very flexible must be adaptable
it must allow for i mean even article two fifty nine of our constitution. provides that our constitution. and states procedure has to be amended as long as those people right and jackson i appreciate that you are a lawyer and so you're coming at this with a legal perspective but for our audience who is watching in uganda who are lawyers and they know their constitution they know the articles they know that it is a living document and can be amended what they want to hear from you is why do you think that these age limit should be scrapped that say i'm getting my system you see. it three of our constitution says you cannot stand for l o c five or district chairperson unless you are thirty five years of age and yet the simple solution is as long as you are eighteen years and about you can stand for
parliament now that alone is disenfranchising the us who would be really what spirit in leadership i think a lot of us our democratic principles i think those that would. indicate told you that we shall do all that it takes to create an all inclusive political process so that everyone but he spits now you're telling me it's not even trying. if i. could jump in i jump in here but. i don't know any of us are asking is it just now. many of these i didn't. know it was that he said for a man i don't hear hear your question i said i'll be right i was probably right also raising his hand he wants to respond i want to get out i want to get our community i want to get our community because they're also listening to jackson go
ahead dan so we've got. jackson just take a listen to this tweet and a video comment i'll pose them to you so infamous as first it was term limits now it's age limits next year it will be the presidential election scrapped off and then i want you to take a listen to this video comment we got from rose garden but lives in sweden right now in the city removed already positional time living that's when ugandans are relieved to find out on this one it's like it's the only thing separating them from if i decide before they want this to me because as long as the president's image on the ballot we have had so many elections not free and fair did we know that it's never going to be free and fair if they come in the first seventy in particular who has interest for thirty one he is still on the ballot so this is about the future of uganda so jackson this is what we're hearing people are worried they saw the
grabber government scrapped term limits in two thousand and five and now they see this proposal to get rid of age limits as just further entrenchment seventies power and a possible president for life what do you say to that concern jackson you see. in your lectures in two thousand and one they. looked into this and. this. may be a good mandation which you are not followed by the government. in two thousand and six sam disprove the court did not put those recommendations in effect now in two thousand and sixteen a members went to lisp in court and fired a petition and this state. because. it had been ignored by government sit down rule does and say these should be put in effect we've been
through yes from the time of erections. from the time of the swearing in and as we speak now we are left with six months to go past the deadly sit by the spill now we are barely what is israel had something to that. we can't. listen when we link talks in one second and here we are coming from bobby or hands free. for the benefit of our people listening in uganda under love of the world we are talking about article one zero two b. and b. this is an article that limits the presidential age limit yet you are talking about . discrimination but i mean the constitution is twenty two years old it has never come up until now when president museveni is being excluded by the no the same thing happened when president was seven was finishing his second term in power that
is when the ruling party members to scrap of term limits and now they are trying to scrap of age limits you see it is rather shameful for a lawyer like my brother jackson a fool to try and mix up issues we're not talking about l.z. five we are talking about presidential and if you are trying to you know hide behind the youth then it's even more shameful because we are looking at the youth and detecting for change and this is the only opportunity to have another generation over from the older generation peacefully. oh you know who this is right now i'd like to just get in and bring in some more comments we're getting from the ugandans online and i'd like to pose this to raymond to take a look at this tweet that we got jackson just hold on raymond so tony says i was there and this was a university protest by the way he says i was there and he saw a tear gas police brutality as arrests were made he said he was able to take this
picture and then we also got piper who said that at this university protest security forces treated whoever they met as a criminal it's like it was a crime to be born on campus that day raymond can you explain to me can you describe to me what kind of reaction we're seeing from the authorities when students have gathered to protest this proposal to remove age limits. well their reaction has been the same everyone that has come up to protest. this particular removal of michael want to be has been arrested now it's laws that hopper just forty eight have not been arrested we've seen their protest march through town and seen the much through town in the much through college town and this i think different times not different places in campuses like macquarie university but when you bust all that they went by them and was having the scuffle that you just described many of the students. in it up in being arrested or being
brutally hundred i'm not kidding right now as we speak we still have military camp there and so it does raise a lot of questions about the behavior of the security forces but these are questions that have been persistent about oh yes she was a country that the security forces always opt for and on behalf of the person that is in power and your position has raised that a couple of times i wanted to be to respond also to to the lawyer about. the supreme court which should now the supreme court may actually get a pardon there rehman because when you mention supreme court petition i know that a lot of eyes glaze over in our international community and i know that john wanted to get in as well so john what did you want to add were. i had to put it this way but i think. what the people of uganda are going through is not unique to uganda a lot of african countries are going through the same problem and i think part of
the reason they're going through this problem is that they're looking at their own problems i'm afraid to say that the ugandan currently looking at our own problem because they have term limits the president is a change that. they have they have actually made the president and his party are now trying to change that so i think that one day you can and should be talking about right now which is what i think are the african countries. should be talking about is how to make sure that the constitution cannot easily be manipulated by whoever i said government to suit themselves i think that even if. their ugandans eventually win this case and i love to say that there's no reason why someone coming in even after seventy would not try to do the same thing and change limits nobody could stay in power indefinitely so i think that the discussion that we should be having is a discussion on how to make sure that we have
a constitution in uganda that cannot easily be manipulated by whoever is in government so that they can. tweak the constitution dimmit don't miss this second thing that i want to talk about or i want to say it very broadly is that people are you gonna and people in all african countries sure understand why it is and this is said to put limits on under president obama is to encourage political competition in countries that i've seen where there are no limits on the presidency young people eventually become so discouraged that they have no interest in politics because and know that the person in power is going to stay there as you see in rangoon a definite. john i just like i just like to get a comment and and read it for bobby wind we got this comment from you donny barnes as a two term limit is a must to ensure a peaceful transition of power seven years making himself i can bobby wine what
would you like to see done to rectify the situation as here actually i would like to see if he didn't must have been a little respect he's what he has always been saying and if you ask me to at the gate or if i ask he was uganda is this what you were listening to all of us made all of us which every other person he thought i was going to and it once. comicon solution area but it just whichever whoever is weaving and their book is free to contest why do you see the. president if you really kind of get you want to come on well where you cannot be president must have been at their peril because elections are not free and fair are just. two thousand and sixteen we went to the ballots you saw it as clearly as i saw it that it was rigged the military took over all polling
stations. when they wina dr king was incarcerated at his house and not even allowed to go and be dishing the results of the election so you realize that for as long as president most seventy is on the ballot the election is just a formality that is why we are seeing is that you know is that. only four minutes of. content if it under the performance of one of the incumbent so that if people are greedy that i mean stabilities they give you another term if they don't actions do you know all this well judge and i know that's you that's a good question there is you living thing and the president is going to run again in twenty twenty one i can not say yes or no because that's a personal choice it is up to him to make that choice while sat down fortunate i'd like to give the last word to community we got this tweet from r.k.
and uganda he says this is the fork in the road where the end around lots of ruling party can either choose and organize the first trans a peaceful transition or have history repeat itself interesting comment bobbie one i will give you the very last word in about twenty seconds we know that this bill is expected to pass because the ruling party has a majority in parliament what happens next on your end. well. it has always been saying say that history repeats itself but one where is money in uganda called . say that's not true you say stupid people will be history so in order to avoid the repeat issue on or go our market history it is important for president museveni to give you a gun and a gift and give to the peaceful transition of power and you need to give him sail a game over a beautiful legacy he has and know about unity very violent she was hard as you know there are no conversation will continue with the hash tag hash tag stream
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