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tv   Inside Story 2017 Ep 272  Al Jazeera  October 1, 2017 2:32pm-3:00pm AST

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aid delivery has been slow. the u.s. secretary of state says the trumpet ministration has no plans to full regime change in north korea rex tillerson made his remarks during a visit to china where he also revealed his country is in direct contact with pyongyang. police in france of even to an investigation into what caused a football stadium barrier to collapse injuring dozens of spectators the incident occurred at the league one match between leland amiel real supporters are celebrating the end goal when the fence collapsed under their weight seven people are still in hospital five of them suffering serious injury has pro-democracy campaigners are valid against hong kong's chinese national day celebrations police blocked a small group of protesters who marched near to a flag raising ceremony hong kong has been under chinese rule for twenty years the self-governing territory has extra rights under china's one country two systems
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policy all right so today those are the very latest headlines for us here at al-jazeera coming up next is inside story. with the with the the sky with. who's committed war crimes in yemen the u.n. has agreed to send a team to investigate but how much is politics played in this decision and who will hold those responsible for human rights abuses to account this is inside story. with
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. with the law and has them seek a welcome to the program is taken weeks of intense negotiations but now the united nations has agreed to set up an investigation into alleged human rights violations in yemen some european countries and canada wanted a commission of inquiry but a compromise with a group of arab states including saudi arabia was reached yemeni government forces backed by a saudi led coalition have been fighting the rebels since twenty fifteen katia lopez hold diane sets up a discussion. the decision has been described as a game changer the un's human rights council will send a delegation to investigate possible war crimes and yemen more than ten thousand civilians have died since the country's devastating war started in two thousand and fifteen and that number could rise the international community faces several urgent tasks in yemen including the protection safety and security of civilians the u.n.
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delegation is expected to investigate attacks on schools markets and even hospitals final between harvey rebels and a saudi led coalition which side with president. has torn the country the commission will also investigate attacks carried out by the rebels i think that the point becomes one of does the international community stand by the laws the courts . and all yemeni lives as valuable as any other lives the decision was met with resistance a last minute compromise between western powers and arab countries including saudi arabia eventually made it possible experts say blocking the investigation could have led to more unwanted attention where you see mounting pressure at the international level for this to go ahead at a p.r. level that the u.s. the u.k. saudi arabia who've been instrumental in the past really blocking this kind of investigation going ahead would struggle to justify their reasons for doing so
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right now. along with the war an estimated twenty million yemenis continue to go hungry and a nationwide cholera epidemic is ravaging the country since april more than two thousand people have died from the illness the red cross believes there could be a million cases of suspected cholera by the end of the year but access to treatment is limited santa's airport is completely sealed off on the three planes roughly are entering the i.c.r.c. plane m.s.f. and un plane and no other pay. it's coming in even planes that could do some humanitarian transfer of patients that want to get treatment abroad or something like that this is not possible so you don't have access to drugs and you cannot go out. to war in yemen is showing no signs of ending but the un's human rights council hopes the investigation will lead to a greater level of accountability on all sides can see
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a local civilian al-jazeera. so who are the parties involved in yemen's conflict well first the rebels named after the man who led the rebellion in two thousand and four hussein and who today are backed by supporters of former president ali abdullah saleh they are shia and have the support of iran who tease are up against government forces aligned with president adorable months old hedi and a coalition of nine mostly sunni arab states led by saudi arabia and the coalition has received logistical and intelligence support from the u.s. the u.k. and france both sides are accused of human rights violations. let's bring in our guest now joining us from yemen's capital sana'a is hakim a must mahdi editor in chief of the yemen post from london sami ham the editor of the international interest and from bull must also in the u.k. rocco bloom of conflict the conflict and humanitarian policy adviser at war child
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good dad you'll win it so rocco bloom let me start with you then you welcome this decision we certainly do this is blown over due to human rights abuses are being recorded by credible human had already been by the u.n. for the last two years now we have a mechanism providing the press and development scrutiny and this will enable the international community to make some very strong decisions as to how to proceed with dealing with that calling for conflict in the ward never the fear is though rocco bloom is that this is a this might be a watered down commission that's been put together. to keep saudi arabia happy and if that's the case can it be an honest and far reaching investigation well it's true that the original resolution that was then proposed by. the dutch to the human rights council was
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a commission of inquiry which would have looked more deeply into international humanitarian rule which is another layer of. kind of legal description of what is happening in yemen right now this group of experts however will still be able to have full access to recall to call them and monitor the situation certainly amongst human rights and humanitarian organizations we feel very strongly that this is a watershed sammy hamdi what do you make of this decision. i think that to be honest the problem is when we're talking about the human rights abuses or the war crimes or humanitarian crisis and not to demean its its severity it is a very serious crisis i think it's like a doctor looking at the symptoms as opposed to the disease now i heard the previous guest talk about it would help the international community decide how to deal with the parties let's remember what exactly is going on in yemen this is
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a militia that marched from southern in the north took over two cities in the north stormed the capital put the government under house arrest is now occupying the capital and tried to seize the entire country by force for me is pretty clear what the stance of the international community should be it should be to ask to go back to sardar so there could be room for a national dialogue the problem with calling for this particular inquiry into human rights abuses is that this is precisely what the whole thing is want a community international pressure on saudi arabia on saudi arabia's airstrikes in yemen because that will force saudi arabia to the negotiating table while coffee is still in summer and if that happens then the terms dictated on the table will be by horsy under former president ali abdullah saleh and not saudi arabia in essence and i know this is not the intention behind the investigation we are inadvertently legitimizing a military coup from a militia and we should be asking serious questions as to what message is being
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sent out when the international community believes that both of the parties are equal and the government of abdullah by months or heady instead of saying that the please let's get a political settlement and then let's deal with these very serious human rights issues that have come about as a result of your machinations and your occupation of the cities in yemen but this investigation sami hand the is going to look at abuses by all sides and the fact is that most of the suffering of the yemeni people has been since the saudi led. bombing campaign which began in march of twenty fifteen eight thousand over eight thousand five hundred people have been killed since that time i agree that this humanitarian situation is severe but as i said it's a symptom and not the disease if you want to see the international community's failure as it is in the fact that when the arab ambassadors withdrew when the arab nations reduced their ambassadors when we entered sun our john kerry of the united
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states seemed to suggest that because he could be a credible partner in the fight al qaeda the international community has failed time and time again to apply the correct and proper condemnation of what's happened in yemen that a militia marched from the north and occupy the capital and tried to kick out a government that was agreed upon in the national dialogue by the legitimate parties in yemen if you want to deal with the humanitarian crisis if you want to stop the killing if you want to stop the innocent children who are suffering from the famine the solution is clear who's the withdraw from sinai and allow a genuine peace and peace talks and negotiations to take place let's just remember quickly just on this point let's just remember quickly that but for the saudi intervention and it pains me did the fact that i have to provide some sort of justification for this savaged the intervention that has demonstrated incredible incompetence but let's state the facts as it is but for the saudi intervention today would be talking about yemen and who would have entered that then and the
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international recognized government would have disappeared or i we can we can get into some of the politics. more detail a bit later but i want to turn now to marty what's been the reaction to this decision in yemen. total shock right now when you have been now first of all why you are the international community or neighboring countries are turning this into a political issue well it's not a political issue this is a right if you decide to violate human rights or a kills or attack civilians are. she should be condemned whether it's the who these or the saudi collision so this is not political this is more of a rights issues and focusing on the civilians and those who have been attacked those who are of the wedding sides if you are fighting the militants and not the civilians then you have nothing to worry about so the problem is this how did that coalition has mostly damaged the civilians and not the who these are who these are
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as strong as ever today inside the capital sanaa yes they are militants yes it was a chaotic when they entered the capital sun and taken over but the people inside or and who controlled areas don't respect the who these because. for who they are but because of their support of the who these because of the saudi war crimes against the civilians which we hope. i go away i get both sides have violations against human rights and this committee should should investigate both all sides i think it seriously it is not political it should be for the people for those who are suffering and not for those political factions that are fighting and destroying yemen day by day and what's the situation like in in yemen right now what what's life like for people there. as unbelievable it's hard to explain when you can see it. by your i mean the poverty in yemen right now the hunger the people that are
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dying starving last year it was children eat one meal a day today it's not only children it's it's barely a meal a day and not only millions over between ten to twenty million families and those salaries the sea johnny yemen right now the airport closure. the siege has killed over ten thousand people for those who are trying to get medical treatment abroad so it's not only the war it's the siege as well it's the epidemic right now that by the end of the year they will be over a million cases of suspected cases of co-leader in yemen so it's a devastating situation where you cannot explain it just by doing an interview while you see the sufferings of these daily people and the problem is it's not the who these who are suffering it's the millions of civilians who are living in yemen who are suffering whether under. areas controlled by saudi a coalition or under the who these. gloom does that fit in with the reports that
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you've been getting about that the impact of this war on civilians in yemen. absolutely i think both leaders are indicating the severity of the crisis. situation is unprecedented it is the world's largest food security crisis right now and the food security crisis the medical crisis is this cholera epidemic is manmade riccati to the conflict have the power to end the humanitarian blockade and create the conditions where this crisis can get and i agree with the second speaker that you had saying that this this is a crisis that being generated by the parties to the conflict and the humanitarian crisis is a consequence is a consequence and bass to be a political solution but this investigation needs to provide the evidence that will allow the international community to act as i say the evidence has been there for
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a long time but we need to have a point at which there's a consensus that this can no longer go on and i must say unsleeping as you are sitting in the u.k. right now the british government is directly supporting the saudi arabia through massive arms sales around six billion pounds worth of arms were sold and so i was in contact was also saudi arabia in the second two years of the conflict the international community is don't directly involved in this crisis and it's not just the parties on the ground that have to act every country that's directly or indirectly involved has to change that idea sami handy has saudi arabia taken on more than he bargained for here when it began this. bombing campaign when he led this bombing campaign more than more than two years ago and here we are still talking about the war in the end the suffering of people there is there a way out of this. let's remember that when a german of the mustard in egypt during the sixty's was involved in the yemen war
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he struggled to take down the opposition forces yemen is a very difficult place to fight in in two thousand and nine princella been sort of saudi arabia was famously defeated by the when i say defeated not necessarily militarily but the government came to an agreement by these with regards to protecting the border near. the reality is yes the saudis have bitten off more than they can chew yemen is known as a graveyard of armies but the fact of the matter is this is this is the reason why i say that we have to look at yemen as a wider issue and why i insist that humanitarian issue is a symptom of the disease because when entered sign up remember there was no military intervention from any particular party it was all a go she ations applying pressure trying to find some sort of solution one coffee then much to my job it was the same thing when i was in march to the south it was the same thing when they took over to as it was the same thing only when it got to the gates of addon and saudi arabia saw that the international community were doing
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nothing to stop the advance of this militia and i'm not saying saudi arabia necessarily cares about yemen it's more worried that yemen will become an iranian proxy but only when who thief threaten hadn't which was the final stronghold and had taken it it would have succeeded in taking over yemen that's one saudi got involved in other words saudi feels that its hand was forced it didn't want to get involved in yemen in this manner in the first place and it is because of the airstrikes and because of its intervention that you got driven back to sanaa as i said the army has demonstrated its incompetence with regards to the proof of that is the call incredible collateral damage and this horrible humanitarian crisis but you talk about i have some damage as you can hear about innocent civilians being killed i mean this is this is a turn signal that we used by a minute there are three officials. exactly this is to me that this is what they refer to as collateral damage the innocent children being killed the women the building the infrastructure that nobody is going to invest in rebuilding after them they've sent yemen backwards many many decades but my issue is this when we focus
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on the humanitarian crisis and human rights and it deserves specific attention i agree the problem is this feeds into the propaganda what caused the wants to achieve those it believes that this humanitarian crisis is in his favor the cause is believe that as long as the humanitarian crisis continues international attention will force saudi to the negotiation table in other words the hoses are saying as long as we can hold on to sign out as long as we can stay in the capital we don't need any other territory just the capital the international community the un their investigations will force saudi arabia to bend over and come to us on the negotiating table and when they do that the terms of those in goshen to go shooting table will be ours if the intelligence community is concerned about human rights if they really want to deal with this humanitarian situation i argue the solution is simple ask you to leave sunnah push force the out of santa take away all these power cut force houthi to the table as an equal member of the not so this of the
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party of all the time of all the other different political parties because right now the balance is very uneven between the other parties and i need some sort of let's say a victory in order to solve this humanitarian crisis let's get. you on that based on what you're seeing there is this something that that could happen in the future i mean who who is in control of yemen right now if you have any side controls their own territory what the international media does not understand or the our viewers do understand that over the last eighteen months no side has gained ground militarily. those who did gain ground lost it and gained it again and we took it etc so there has been no victories on the ground over the last eighteen months by both sides so it's clear that this cannot be solved militarily and out. the who is paying the price the civilians they are the ones who are suffering and
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not the who these are who this country or government the saudis have the wealth each side has a territory they control in yemen and don't care of this war continues for you know ten years because they're not suffering it's the people who are still in the millions who are suffering and that's why this work should come to an end and the sad thing is that the entire year of two seventeen has not seen any un peace talks or activities or mediation is. by any international community or international power or the un so the year that millions thought could be hope for yemen is a year that saw no negotiations no hope and. it also hurts the cause when the who these refused to negotiate or deal with the the un and want to serve and to get what i think we are not here to blame besides we here to make solutions there needs to be a solution because it's clear that over eighteen months no mail in the no side has
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been able to gain militarily but to get to get back to sami hand these points did did it do that who need to make some concessions year to to really get a get towards finding a political solution to this oh yes they have to. they really need to make concessions and people were hoping last month when the g.p.c. more time of party led by the ex-president they were supposed to announce their own initiative which could come out with a solution to end this war but that the internal crisis between the who these and the. party led by the ex-president was very tense which forced them with a lot of to step aside so this was a very strong backlash for peace talks but i do blame the who these for this but also blamed the more time out for not being clear and transparent during their announcement for the. their own initiative so there's a lack of trust either. in the sinai is the who these are the the more time of
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g.p.c. and also lack of trust between the saudi allies saudi arabia and the u.a.e. and the yemeni government in aden it's clear that president hadi has had numerous issues with the. government authorities in aden so this. the longer this war continues the more complicated it will get all sides need to give in to each other reach a solution to what is need to hand over weapons and retreat from the main cities which they and nationally accepted to do according to the previous peace talks in kuwait with the u.n. envoy so there are strides how did they were there worse right happening in the last peace talks in kuwait but again we're after one year of no talks many things reach a stalemate and this only heard the solution more time do you or response i was i was going to say that the one thing i agree with ninety nine percent of what the guest has said but there's only one thing that i disagree with he said the issue
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should not be as to applying blame to which size but to find a solution i argue that the absence of a solution is because we have not applied the correct blame on the appropriate party at the end of the day we are preaching democratic values human rights and the like we have a gui had the government under president of the number of months sort of heady that was agreed upon by the national dialogue who through use his weapons and kicked out this government please explain to me how on earth we cannot apply the blame on ruthie for the terrible crisis that yemen is going through who think they don't an agreement made by the national dialogue and kicked out the government that had led to the saudi air strikes that led to a humanitarian crisis that led to the death of innocent children that led to famine that led to cholera that led to one of the greatest humanitarian crisis of our modern time go the solution should be who should respect the national dialogue agreement should retreat back to side that come to the negotiating negotiating table as one side of another it is this very attitude that was expressed by. but by the speaker just before by the honorable guest from sanaa that has resulted in
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horses confidence and defiance of the u.n. resolution to disarm and on any attempts to achieve to sun up because when you apply the same sort of scrutiny to saudi arabia as you do to cause the you put them on a living playing field in other way that in other words there is no right party the wrong party in this is who is the host who should retreat from the sun out if the international community was unable to say this and it hasn't said this that it has in a place the pressure then we will never find a solution to this i want to give the last word then to rockall bloom and bring this back to the to the u.n. led investigation they have a year two to come back with a report on this are you confident that something meaningful will will arise from that but this record isn't provides an opportunity that we haven't had before i have already passed investigation but what i would say is that we have already had we already have a huge amount of evidence of human rights abuses by the onset of the conflict and
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they're happening right now the threat of terrorism is happening right now and the cost to the conflict and their international support is bust and this conflict as soon as possible we believe it's very important the american interest we can't wait for another year for action to be taken all right and on that we have to leave it thank you to all three of you have given muslim audience and sami handy in london and rocco in former thanks very much for being on inside story. and thank you as always for watching remember you cannot watch this program again any time by visiting our website dot com of the discussion you can go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle there is at a.j. inside story for me has him sick and the whole team here by phone.
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