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tv   The Stream 2017 Ep 170  Al Jazeera  October 25, 2017 5:32pm-6:01pm AST

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and. the kurdish regional government in iraq has suggested freezing the results of its a session referendum which triggered a confrontation with the central government the kurds say they're ready for talks with baghdad and want to ceasefire kurdish peshmerga forces have been fighting government troops near a key oil pipeline china's communist party has revealed its new leadership team headed by president xi jinping the premier league chang was the only one to retain this spot in the seven man lineup but there is no clear successor to she further strengthening his grip on power five major global airline say they will hold new security interviews of all passengers traveling to the united states from thursday the carriers are air france cafe pacific egypt air emirates tons of but they describe the new procedures differently ranging from filling in other forms to actually being questioned by an airline employee this comes at the end of one
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hundred twenty day deadline for airlines to meet new u.s. regulations brazil's lower house is due to vote on whether president michel should be put on trial he's accused of leading a criminal organization and obstructing justice this is the second time to face corruption charges since he took office last year two thirds majority is needed for the case to go to the supreme court the stream is coming up next right here on al-jazeera stay with us. the difference. and this imagines of. al-jazeera. i am for me ok you're in the stream live on al-jazeera english and you tube me to
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campaign has ignited conversations around the world about sexual harassment assault and rape over the past two weeks women have been sharing their experiences online in homes and offices and in schools and while some have criticized the campaign as little more than an armchair activism it has encourage men to talk more about accountability and if they roll his makeup allow his been following the online discussion for it i mean as you can see it is a global movement so women around the world have been opening up with their stories of sexual assault and harassment using the hash tag new to the hashtag spurred conversations online among women and men calling for accountability that's prompted many men to respond with how i will change our fill of tweets men to keep in mind women don't owe us their stories for us to become advocates for them in public and private spaces and women are also using the hash tag to talk back to men mother says men when the women in your life tell you what happened to them they need to
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hear i believe you know how i will change has prompted some men to even confess their role as aggressors with their own house tags like it was me i have i did that and i did it too and some are discussing ways to prevent sexual harassment we asked a few women how they would like to change the idea of masculinity here's what they told us. no one has seen masculinity as a construct has gone too far and done too much damage instead of keeping the focus on women the way they dress like cetera we should be focusing on how we view masculinity and how the fascism of masculinity leads as aggressive behavior men need to understand that it's ok to have feelings that emotions are all right or not . but showing nobody does not make you weak it doesn't make you less or to ensure a truly equitable society i believe the ideals of masculinity should be abandoned
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altogether rather than the perception of it simply changed because to do so would be essentially rebranding which would be a bandaid solution. joining us now jackson katz he is the over of the macho power docs and co-founder of mentors in violence prevention and divine pathak is an indian writer gensis good to have you here i feel my shortcomings today because i want to talk about men and i obviously using my female voice so i actually terrorize the many my office my friends my colleagues who are guys and i asked them about this topic and i said one of the hardest things to do is to actually say i've done that i did that divide the reason you on this show is because you actually just stepped up and said you know what there was this one time way. what happened divine so i got in touch with an acquaintance and we met
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she was talking about some of the things she was going through. and what happened then was i started feeling a streak and sensation i started feeling as if i had some. and that she was wild edible in some way. if you met again a few months later and the feeling was back then i met her but this time when i let that in fun state control of me i actually needed to find but i asked if i could use it on the cheeks he said no and i strained eventually because all the while i was having that feeling i was feeling sick some way and say like no one had me what i was doing was wrong just what you make of guys stepping up and saying this is my story i would like to do better what do you make of that. well i mean i think we need
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a lot more from men than we've been then we've been getting i mean this this this to me to hash tag has given us the opportunity for men to both here and experience and be empathetic about women's experience and then figure out what they can do about it i don't think that it's for men i don't think that's going to be the confessional piece i mean i appreciate the banks telling his story and other men who are willing to honestly talk about how they participate in. sexism i have everybody that i know had this but i think the question is really what are we going to do beyond confessing our sins if you will what are men going to do in a culture to try to transform the attitudes beliefs and behaviors of all of us and the institutional practices that contribute to this ongoing problem that's to me the question not i don't think it's realistic that we're going to have a huge number of men confessing abusive behavior but acknowledging yes that we've been men in sexist and patriarchal societies therefore we've been acting out in ways that are perpetuating problems and then what's the next step so i hear what
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you're saying there jackson but i want to share a couple comments we got live on you tube one person says why is it always the men who are being held accountable another person this is connor who writes it on you tube i'm not going to apologize for the actions of a small minority of men so jackson not everyone in our community and i would venture not everyone in the world who is a man and the man thinks that they have a role to play in this conversation or in this campaign what do you say to them. i would say the same thing that i would say to a white person who's. talking about racism not all white people enact racist behaviors but but all white people benefit from certain structures that privilege white people i would say i would say in colonial context if you're a person who's from a you know global north country with lots of power and wealth and you say well i'm not really the one who's oppressing people in the global south so it's not really my issue i would say that's very similar to a man saying well because i personally don't enact specific behaviors of abuse that somehow i'm not either benefiting from it or it's not really my issue i think
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that's an evasion of responsibility and accountability and i think we need one men who are willing to say yeah maybe i'm myself i'm a good guy and maybe i haven't done these horrible behaviors but i am a man and i'm in a position as a man to challenge other men to create a new normal among men where this kind of behavior is unacceptable even if i myself don't see myself as having engaged in the most egregious football games of sexism or massage and. so michael i have to define gaff. i seem to agree with what jackson has said because getting sample from ever since whatever's have been in hollywood three weeks but our discussion down and work related anyway we have a situation where there's a venue which was carved out two weeks but for an object defined within four allegation of sexual harassment against the an hour and a majority of the reaction of the men see him to be similar as the comment said i have been there it's never happened to me my friends have been there it's never
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happened to be there was a wasp number of accusations about different women from different backgrounds cutting out against this one venue but they were still this denial and that apart from male privilege which people just don't seem to accept it specially in india let me share this with you gents michael says men simply need to respect boundaries women need to understand biology and then i said what do you mean by biology michael michael clarified it is natural for mental look at evaluate boundaries meant to keep my hands off approach polite speech as well jackson again me telling my male colleagues one of the things that they notice happens in the workplace is many looking at women sometimes it's a little flick sometimes it's a mauling going look what do you do about that. well i mean again i don't think i don't think the challenge here is men looking at
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women or henry sexually oriented men who find women attractive i think it's when men cross lines and sexualized environments that are not sexual treat women as sexual objects of their desire rather than as colleagues and as friends i mean it's situational it doesn't we're not saying that men can't be sexual beings or men can't be a heterosexual men can't be attracted to women it's when your behavior crosses a line from your you know you're not in a club you're not in a romantic interlude you're in the workplace you're in a place where people are acting as professionals and when you. treat women like you know in a nonprofessional way in a professional context then you're undermine their strength you're undermining their integrity and i think a lot of men and know that they're crossing the line i think some men maybe some men don't maybe there's some muddy territory once in a while but we're talking with sexual harassment we're talking about repeated unwelcome and unwanted behavior not just one time a glance that you know that somebody caught i think some men exaggerate and they
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say well i can't even talk to women in the workplace i can't even have a conversation because i'm afraid that i'm going to do is of sexual harassment i think that's really a dramatic overstatement i think women just want to be treated with respect and dignity in the workplace when they're going about their job when they're going about their professional lives and i think smart men thoughtful men can adjust to that and treat them accordingly so jackson you mentioned muddy territory and i would say let's wade into that territory because we've got a couple of tweets about joking so this is danielle he's giving us an example of what happened to him and ivana i'll pass this over to you he tweets then how i will change i let my lover get harassed in my house by my roommate and i did nothing about it i'm sorry and it will never happen again he goes on to say honestly i thought it was harmless joking at the time what i didn't realize was how she truly felt and that's what i should have realized and his last tweet here said. understanding every situation is different but if the victim feels a certain way it should be treated as such it's not about you it's about them so
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different have you been in a situation where people say they're just joking but the receiving end of that joe doesn't take it that way. i think it's always been about i think that's the excuse which everyone gives from online conversations to be offline once been lucky to be close to a so to a number of my female friends and think if they share with you it goes beyond jokes that it is bad it shocks you all the things that they have to go through when they're just when they're walking in a walk me and they don't how's they're going for work and the things that they have to face and the way they mend it mended me immediately there's no part of me which goes no and that is ok that cannot happen because i have to truly believe it because of big i can see it in their face if they're in front of me i can hear it in their why you see that it truly did happen the other thing about you know that
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oh they're going to censor us we can float with them in anymore we have to be mindful about how we behave yes you have to be mindful of it but how you behave because that's a very small cost in front of in in terms of what we're talking about it's the boardin of discomfort which is being there and around this entire conversation which has been going of in terms of being pleased and women singlehandedly now needs to be on men because it's on ice this is what prompted me to put up that post because someone pointed it out it cannot be just of what i've been coming in to do it has to be about because for every me too there is someone who did something somewhere why they could not something or he actually was an active participant in something so that is my point of view i don't i don't think these complaints which men have right now that we need to watch ourselves you have to watch your sense that's the least thing you can that's inez a quite
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a few hours that's been going around particularly in the wake of this meet to campaign it's a quote about another kind of wealth that we could possibly living and how we use language to actually posted this shadow a hundred and fourteen thousand likes seventy seven thousand retreat and then some can you paraphrase this idea about the language because it really resonated with many people. sure femi i've been you know writing and speaking for a long time about the need for a paradigm shift a new conceptual framework about sexual assault and harassment abuse most people see it you see these issues as women's issues that good men help with and i'm trying to say that there really men's issues one of the ways that we stay in the old paradigm is through our use of language so you'll hear people say things like you know they'll ask questions like how many women were raped last year rather than how many men raped women or how many girls were sexually harassed in the school district rather than how many boys sexually harassed girls or we'll say how many
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teenage girls in this country got pregnant last year rather than how many men and boys impregnated teenage girls in each case the use of passive language has a very powerful political effect and the effect is that it shift our focus off of the group with more power onto the group with less and so we end up victim blaming or talking about what girls and women are doing because the very language that we use keeps our attention and pushes our attention off of men even the term violence against women is a term that's problematic because it's a passive there's no one's really doing it to them violence against women is a bad thing that happens to women but nobody is actually causing it to happen so if you say men's one ounce against women it's actually more accurate and it's more on this and then when you have subsequent discussions about it if you start naming men if you start saying using active language then when we talk about solutions the solutions won't be doing solutions like what can women do how can they dress better how can they comport themselves better but rather how can we stop men from acting
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in these ways how can we socialize boys differently to treat women with respect and dignity it will turn the spotlight back on to men and boys and the cultures that to produce them so all the gentleman will boy watching also anyone who's kind of size them sounds kind of myself as a user what would you suggest i'm just getting a little. for that part of the conversation says how i will challenge as a catalyst of conversations on the impact of harassment and sexual assault and inspiration to promote challenge jackson i think i think you might want to say well i told you so because you've been doing this for a very long time but your passing thought is what you want. i think we need more men to have the courage to not just be introspective especially it's important to think about how we've contributed to the problem in our own behavior
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and sometimes in our own attitudes and sexist attitudes but i think we need more men who are willing to to break our complicit saw allan's and challenge and interrupt other men when they act out in sexist ways i think that the through the other sort of one of the dirty little secrets of masculinities around the world is that men are afraid of each other men are afraid of losing up social approval from other men men are afraid of being seen as saw other men we need more men who have the courage the strength to stand with women as our partners and allies and say to other men look i'm not as a man i'm not going to be silent in the face of your sexism or my own i have the courage of my convictions i believe in justice and fairness and nonviolence i believe women should be treated with respect and i'm going to stand for that and i'm going to get up at that and if you call me names like like pretend that somehow i'm not a real man i'm going to persist anyways because that it's the right thing to do that's in divine we're going to leave it nothing and thank you very much being part of the stream today i really can't do math. well the need to campaign has inspired
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dozens of smaller campaigns in different languages around the world take a look. at that last hash tag you just saw yotam b.n. has reignited a conversation that's been happening in mexico and latin america for more than two years now around the new and i'm you know scam pain not one woman last is an argentine feminist movement that spread across several latin american countries and campaigns against gender based violence and as you know gets louder when i'm you know us has also seen a bump so events writes the fact that these hashtags exist should be enough to understand that harassment when she's well and danger are real and prevailing jacqueline tweets i have also been harassed and i have also felt afraid how cliffs
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and angry every time i go out into the street adriana says the liberty to harass does not exist we have the right to be respected not for being a woman but for being a person and belinda torres expressed her disappointment and at least one woman's attitude. will is what if it was that kind of. old now with that little sack if they still believe it will you. know that the fact is. the number of people. got a book about us i did all the efforts and i know my. with us now from mexico city catalina ruiz another lotto as editor in chief of a county care magazine kathleen it's good to have you here about a year ago you came up with a hashtag campaign the translation is my first harassment so where me to started to go global you must have thought that i was doing that
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a year ago tell us about your campaign and how that took off. well i think that some innocent and religious itself we have conversation just we can't be sustained is just used from other countries because into doesn't even. complain like this cult middle premade or says we missed that because it wasn't for to police that it was quite a trend in the during that year and we didn't again after a long conversation we had in mexico city with a lot of cases that gaming tools for the media then went viral and then. manically at math and march was organized and now facebook group and they do. this the same exercise. insanity medical school and i told my first arrest in the us when i was seven your soul and came back from school and over will carry my books until the door of the apartment you need all that would open and you will greet me and i say it's like this this is i was told that if
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a man touched me that was her breast ment's and he was a touch of me i never said anything but one of the problems we have had in language when we talk about her ass it meant is that we never ever talk about what how women feel you can say no more to so what he and you'll feel well well. well you can say more and you can seal so disgusting by the way he's looking at you or that told you which he say's he says it's so it's not something what i do not you know mary get. very romantic and passionate aisle and yes you can do that and you can be creative i can fall in love but. i don't know where that's working on the street great well art whispering filthy things into. somebody that works for you that is not flirting and that is not that is just plain harassment and violence but i mean you mentioned how women feel is one of the
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things that people should take into account without this. comment via you tube where people are watching the show live right now dancehall says how can we discuss these issues without victims being rebuked or buys especially keeping in mind that many people are sharing their stories online with these hashtags but then they go out in there is to the internet and there's no real safe space once the stories are there what would you say to don's for well what we don't have so space does not in our house nurse says nor the streets nor in the internet and everywhere but the fact that each of us is telling our stories of harassment makes it a little to say first place because we don't feel knowing we don't feel like them assurance we don't feel guilty we don't you know this is something that we brought upon us when we see this happens to every single woman since like powerful and. meaningful you you understand and this is something structural and then every
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moment you know and this bridge just around and literally is every woman has been you're so used to your kids since you're next seven years old that means. very important number very huge minority of men have and we're not talking about them so i'm glad when they get started on this program so catalina you have a breakdown of men in this sort of sexual harassment sphere and who plays what role and your breakdown yes he's taken from a little clip of the united states president that was made available last year let me play a little a little sliver of that and you can do the breakdown of where men are role they play so to member loading toga when don't trump was a candidate for us president of the united states and this is what happened this was what became available and was released have a listen have a look unguarded moment you recorded talking about women in vulgar terms. you know
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for the moment we've tried to just get them sort of. the way they were sort of it like you do it you can do anything with it. to just to remind people catalina this was behind the scenes this was a microphone that was still alive on a t.v. and detainment show so you have to t.v. host you have donald trump before he was president many years ago and you you do a breakdown of who the men are in this in this kind of conversations yet there's a there's a huge problem witnessed is that men by true objectifying women so they can't you get there and are saying the fire in come on us let's talk about that so now you have and there are many roles you have that all trumps that. are aggressive and brag about it you have to be the bushes of the world that we will be snickering in
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lessening and enabling decided to. the person that was statement is that was wrong yes i was listening to this doing nothing and many of that most of the time men who just or did nothing nothing to do with the other whereas you see there are only men and you know what they are there with lord why do they make you do men have to do this why can't they make friends any other way that is not true or untrue or objectify women you know ways they can actually you know it's so hard to do you know taking that into mine of course trump said that that was locker room talk this is about allen i said on twitter i believe the toughest challenges to overcome the assigned roles that women have and the macho culture so she's talking about lead and car culture that's of course other places but in just about fifteen seconds what can we do what's the first step to combating that. women in the gym or have a lot of top our in the household thank goodness our patron all of these mothers
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and have so much power in their family. they could use all the power the let's make and. liberate us implore empowering. you know howard what we need is liberation and find our own goals and stop looking to. just come from to write what the straight talking very candid catalina really is in the thank you so much for being part of our program as a jackson cats divine path that we appreciate you today we are live on you tube right now and you can see us and watch as in the future when you just look for al-jazeera as you choose life stream page and so watching everybody. a new level of luxury has arrived. and experience the power transfer the way.
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