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tv   Inside Story 2017 Ep 307  Al Jazeera  November 4, 2017 8:32pm-9:01pm AST

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syria and its allies have launched a military assault to push eyesore out of the last strip of land that it controls and syria russian jets are pounding the city of al book amal on the syria iraq border and that they are a sore countryside the syrian army's elite forces iran backed shia militia and hizbullah fighters are leading the operation on the ground ousted caton a leader khamis pushed them or has urged all political parties in favor of catalonia secession from spain to form a coalition for the regions the center pole push them and posted the message on twitter but his exact whereabouts in belgium where he fled to after being removed from office are unknown after a european search and the rest warrant was issued for him and for his allies more than one thousand people have taken part in protests across australia against the treatment of hundreds of asylum seekers in an offshore detention center in papua new guinea about six hundred men on my messiah and have been without food running
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water and medical services for days. now these are your headlines i'm going to have the al-jazeera news hour for you in less than half an hour stay with us though coming up next it's inside story of i. know the earth . imagine you can't go to school fear doctor travel when you want and feel constantly look down on the ten million people that's life life without a nationality but why in twenty seventeen a so many people in this position and what can we do about it this is inside story.
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hello and welcome to the program dennis that more than ten million people do not have a country they legally belong to the known as the stateless ones now people who have neither citizenship nor nationality often have no travel documents they find it difficult to get a job and they are denied access to health care as well as other state services their plight is highlighted in a new report by the united nations the most widely covered case in recent months has been mia miles range of community they became officially the largest stateless minority in the world after me amar passed a law that denied them citizenship until august this year there are about a million range in me amal but more than half of them are now in bangladesh after fleeing a military crackdown well the director of the un's international protection division
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says a basic human rights that we take for granted and not given to stateless people. if you live in this world with out a nationality you are without an identity you're without documentation you're without the rights and entitlements that come that we take for granted even just being able to gather here today having a job to have an education knowing that your child belongs somewhere where the u.n. says more than forty percent of people without a nationality live in southeast asia the rest well they're scattered around the world here are just some of them the number of stateless ranger in miramar has hauled since august about half a million of them who remain in northern rock island states six hundred thousand more the have gone to bangladesh many of thailand half a million stateless affirm hill tribes there ethnically different from the time
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majority hundreds of thousands of without a nationality in the paul mothers there are prevented from passing then the ash anality on to their children there are at least ninety thousand people denied citizenship in kuwait then known as bedouin which means without about seven hundred thousand people live without nationality in ivory coast many moves there in the twentieth century to work on the coffee and cotton plantations and after the fall of the soviet union many ethnic russians were left stranded in the new baltic states defined as normal citizens there are more than eighty thousand in estonia and almost two hundred fifty thousand in latvia. all right let's introduce our guests now joining us from amsterdam is melanie county his chief of the state less than a section at u.n.h.c.r. that's the un's refugee agency in london we have
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a mild that you kara from the institute on statelessness and inclusion and in pennsylvania we have one dean director general of the other can read union welcome to you all but what can i start with you and explain to us how central how key is the issue of citizenship for the plight of your people in myanmar there are serious a good issue is the key the central will or what's happening there during that people are forced displacement and persecution and ethnic cleansing genocide all of that the central issue is is it because of the citizens who have been deprived taken away. from the ring of people by the or missed military they are in this kind of situation so in order to solve this problem citizenship issue has to be addressed a worker can i just get you to take a spark to the daily practical difficulties that are encountered by by the hinder
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people in myanmar because they don't have citizenship they don't have identified papers which tell the authorizes that they actually belong to me m r there are people or give incentives here an r.c. national review site in sydney car by the government of myanmar couldn't forty seven constitution there have an r.c. nationality car under nine hundred sixty two and then they are slowly they have they have phased out and coming with ninety eight you can see those people are actively boiling there and yes and i see a car because this is running that people are out there today as it has been really remote strategically. systematically everything got looted that would be our persecution be our travel restriction marriages friction freedom of worship and access to healthcare access to education land ownership and on and on and on
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nothing has been. granted going to people anymore and then these types of violence and maybe twenty twenty five of us but this has been preplanned long time back to two years before i do say what can i just stop you there because i'd now like to go to melanie and absent and melanie we've heard a list of the deprivations then wreaked upon the people the range of people of rakhine state. this citizenship was actually taken away from them tell us about the other people the other ten million people around the world who for whatever reason do not have citizenship or nationality well first of all the ten million figure is an estimate the truth is we don't really know exactly how many people around the world are stateless and that's something we'd like to improve through the course of our campaign to end statelessness we need better data but the answer
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to your question is that stateless messes caused to through a variety of circumstances the one that we're highlighting in the new report is discrimination and that is of course the case of iraq we were just speaking about but it's the case for lots of those who are stateless we tend to say that state was this is caused by gaps or problems and nationality laws the truth is it's often caused by explicit discrimination and nationality was there for example more than twenty five countries on the planet that still don't let mothers transmit nationality to their children on an equal basis as fathers naipaul country mentioned earlier is one of those ok i'm all coming to you. in london now you and your organization you have done specific work with regard to children who are stateless tell us what you found. just to to to work with and he said we with
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children to be often find that the reason they're mute status is because of discrimination and it can be discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or religion or gender if it's a country where the money isn't allowed to pass on their nationality to their children. and what this means is that. addressing statelessness are solving statelessness of. is not an easy thing to do it requires an actual ingots went with studio types and prejudices. many many years and decades of exclusion and often there are very strong political reasons as to why groups like the ranger excluded and shouldn't have points to at least put in their country as well as in exile remain stateless despite clear human rights obligations to crowned children nationality if they would have none whatsoever what a varied what is so alarming i'm all seems to be the fact that a stateless person can can can pass that that status on to their
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children and so on and so forth this can go through generations this can go on for generation eight or so it goes on in the context of forced displacement and refugees as were which is why when we at the institute we look at the total figures for statelessness we also include status refugees and stateless palestinians which actually then takes days to meet to around fifteen million at least because there's a if you look at bangladesh for example where you have hundreds of thousands of running refugees you have children who've been born in bangladesh in the eighty's and who are now adults and have been stateless their entire lives in bangladesh so it's not just a problem which is contained in the country of origin it's a problem which becomes a global problem and which the international community at large has responsibility to address i'm all staying with you that's an interesting point that you make whose
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responsibility is it then to provide this basic human right of the nationality of it of citizenship to all of those hundreds of thousands of people who because of persecution. had fled to bangladesh should banded ash be offering the range of people citizenship the international covenant on the rights of the child is very clear. the state has an obligation to grant nationality to children born on its territory who would otherwise be stateless now in reality it's a much more complex and challenging scenario and for many looking gay for speak to them in bangor this they would speak of their right to nationality knee and mouth if they feel burmese and there's a there's a concern there that you do not want it to mean any we release or listen the pressure on me and my to sort it sect out but certainly when
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it comes to children born in a country and children whose only reality or one of the contacts that the noise the country that they've been born in and leave the in then i would say that there's a really strong obligation on their states to. grantham maisonette who at the very least ensure that their lack of a nationality does not result in the undermining of their access to other rights all right at work at coming back to you i'm looking at a list from your organization of appeals from the range of people you are the are a can range a union you represent a large number of or him people these are appeals to the government of meum are in a new list maybe seven or eight of them but among them is not the specific demands for citizenship i'm wondering why you know we haven't done that many times for particular thing you have saw was addressing that situation during that time the press release taken place we have we have demanded me
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a mcgovern we have been demanding yemen government i mean again their citizenship is a core issue let me ask them back i agree with the other gentleman on the gas you know the domania people are as i said earlier have been this is so that the use of the term a state earlier state lessness really doesn't hold true he doesn't go with your goal tell you what first of all universal human rights evolution says that everyone has the right to a nationality and then no one shall be arbitrarily deprived of east or nationality right and they want them a government did. in ninety four convention as the state or as the convention said that illegal individual who are not considered citizens or national under the oak ridge not last of that in the country ok so myanmar government created a wrong military created law and then he needed to just to nullify those who seek to make their stupid state lessons so
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a state less and less is created by me and my government be honest it was you know i want to stress this twenty year. running of people if they are a state less how nearly one million and rolling up would have. bogut well the government is going to actually let me come back to melanie and i'm assuming that this this whole problem is exacerbated by political dear political upheaval. is this a problem there for the issue of say this this is a problem that is that is being slowly improved or is it that should be getting worse given the amount of conflict we have around the world today well it's a very good question if i could just quickly in response to what the previous speaker just said that agree that you know it's sometimes a bit misleading when we talk about millions of statements people around the world
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because it can give the impression that there are millions of people who don't belong anywhere and of course that's not true everybody has a strong connection to a state that they call home and one of the things that we're urging in this report is that every state grant nationality to state was people on their territory if that's the state where these people have the strongest ties and everybody knows intuitively what counts the strongest ties it can be the place you were born in the place you've lived your whole life the place your family was born. so i agree that it can be miss ray misleading to talk about people as stable as and that's one of the reasons that we named our campaign the hash tag i belong campaign to end statelessness because everybody does belong somewhere but it isn't that administrative position isn't it i mean it's a bureaucratic position if you haven't got identity papers pertaining to that particular country then you are going to suffer all sorts of provisions as we've
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already heard. absolutely and the thing about this problem unlike so many other global problems is that this is really solvable amal mention that it can be difficult because it may relate to. entrenched discrimination and i absolutely agree with that but the technical fixes are easy it's easy for a state if it wants to do it to grant people nationality it's easy to facilitate the granting of nationality it's easy to give you know a small minority on the population that's been there for generations the nationality they deserve as kenya did earlier this year with respect to the mcconaughey it's easy to eliminate gender discrimination from a country's nationality law as both sierra leone and madagascar did earlier this year so to answer your question we are seeing some progress i think the campaign has really helped to raise the level of global awareness and we've seen
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a number of countries become party to the statelessness convention since the campaign was launched in two thousand and fourteen there have been a remarkable fifteen new accessions to the statelessness conventions we've seen more than six states reform their law to make it easier for children born on the territory who would otherwise be stateless to acquire nationality so there is progress there's also progress in terms of the reductions we're seeing tens of thousands about sixty thousand cases of statelessness resolved every year but that's not enough to end state was riots in our i mean our all right so they know it's a fairly it's a fairly positive trajectories in that as. as outlined by by melanie amal i'm just wondering whether your feeling that you're actually on the coalface aren't you dealing with individuals who do not have citizenship are you feeling this trend to wolves ameliorating the situation or is it still is as hard as ever as far
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as you open. i mean i think with any any issue of a global magnitude it's always going to be complex and it's going to be. a mix or certainly there are many positive stories and i belong campaigners here to galvanize attention and resources and commitment by many states to address the issue but you also see regression in many parts you see excesses of wired and so against it less people as as in the case of me and my you see in many countries in the western balkans for example where we're working with partners and has issues on one roma statelessness we see a really strong structure beautifully taking barriers to two accessing documentation so it boils down to two again inherent discrimination in wheel of the state in a state authorities again i mean it's if you shouldn't even look at the state as
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i'm one of the it it's different officers working in different capacities and using all abusing their power. in the dominican republic there's a there's an engine situation which is. we politically very difficult to to see any way forward on so it's a mixed bag but certainly i would agree with me they need that with the with the backing of the campaign and more attention to the issue that we are seeing many more positive stories in the last three years then we have in the in the previous decade i would see all right but there's a lot of work to be dan made a nice book of sixty thousand on average. this case has being sold every year but then we have children being born into status has every year in the tens of thousands as thoughtful we have a lot of work to do to address it with which brings us back then to what seems to
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be an almost intractable situation for the reindeer people of myanmar rakhine state him particularly let's go back to the coffee and commission that was actually tasked by unsound c.t. to analyze the situation he came up with a list of recommendations and central to his report was the issuing of identity. i did see documentation citizenship to the range of people how is that that report being dealt with by the government now particularly when it comes to this repatriation scheme that has been touted by the medium our government covielle and commissions eighty eight recommendations they are really good at the other couple of things that as troubling are explain that to you particularly n.b.c. for citizenship n.b.c. a process is devised by military dan this is now taken up by their own through to
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n.b.c. is basically a. foreign bridges f.r.c. type thing that they're trying their national if you believe i am them. a pathway to citizenship these people have been already citizens going to forty seven and n.r.c. carts now they are reversed in the process so that has to be dealt with very carefully n.b.c. is not the way to go and visit though we need to reground to release reinstate their citizenship is through n r c and the white got there at the border as i said earlier at the border and they are all haughty. parliamentarian serving the government in your mind a parliaments a vigil a military time. so these are people not not not just stateless these are better citizens they are what we serve in their parliament they can serve a big vote there's less of one thing very important now commission
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a commission implementation review do statement but then if you do this should be taken right away right now providing the protection and not n.b.c. broke apart that there has to be a saves on for when your people if they produce ok right now and just dump it they are they will not be protected right so right round there has to be grounds for the refugees when they take them and i'm better not try to say. i want to go to melanie now and. the u.n. has got a rather mixed record when it comes to dealing with the me i'm our government particularly with regard to the ranger situation what sort of pressure. is the u.n. prepared to put upon the meum our government to address a specific issue that everyone seems to agree is central to resolving the difficulties surrounding the range of people and that is giving these people a nationality what sort of pressure is u.n.h.c.r. and other agencies prepared to put upon the government in naperville. i really
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can't speak for the u.n. as a whole on this what i can tell you is that u.n.h.c.r. is incredibly busy trying to meet the lifesaving needs of the state with refugees who have arrived in bangladesh an estimated over six hundred thousand people just since august so for u.n. h.c.r. is part i think operationally we're fully consumed with providing sanitation shelter food and working on registration these are the political pressure needs to be brought to brett but the needs to be brought to bear even if it's in. a kind of back channel because clearly the situation is not going to be resolved just by attending to the needs of these these desperate people absent absolutely i couldn't agree more i think our current secretary general has very much seized with the issue he happens to be the former high commissioner of the high commission of
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refugees who launched the campaign to end statelessness i know this issue is very near and dear to his heart and i imagine behind the scenes and. you know out there visibly he's doing all he can and amal when it comes to you representing a fairly influential and what sort of pressure what sort of influence can you bring to bear on the situation to actually make things a little bit easier because the crux of the matter again as we as we all seem to agree is that these people need citizenship. shreve inferential. just a couple of comments on the rowing issue and in building up to my answer first. say that we are at the institute of very concerned with. the current discussions around repatriation of the rohingya it's there it's clearly the wrong time to be
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even brought in this subject. in any move to remove the ring or to repatriate the ring of bad to myanmar would amount to what is known on the international law as free fall month which is sending people back to a situation of incredible danger so the institute has issued a list of seven criteria which very few must be food food in order for repatriation to be feasible and international law and these are not criteria that are going to be addressed tomorrow or. they require a much stronger commitment from the burmese government to actually taking the issue of proving it right seriously and treating them equally as citizens ok in terms of international pressure i'm afraid i'm afraid i'm. out of time i have to thank you very much indeed melanie khanna a milder to cara and thank you all very much indeed for taking part in this program
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