tv The Stream 2017 Ep 185 Al Jazeera November 20, 2017 10:32pm-11:01pm +03
zimbabwe's do remain calm and patient kenya's opposition has dismissed the president hurricane yet as election victory is illegitimate despite the supreme court upholding the results of last month's vote in again animistic the court dismissed challenges that have to repeat election was conducted view billy the red cross says two point five million yemenis and i would risk of disease after a sauna and al bayda joined the list of cities without clean water beside the lead ok to schools pumping stations to shut down some yemeni ports of reopen to allow when desperately needed food and aid but critics say it's not enough. the head of the largest saudi backed syrian opposition group has resigned after nearly two years we have had job front of the high negotiations committee he paid spokesperson and said several other officials have also stepped down ahead of an opposition conference in saudi arabia and a new round of u.n. sponsored talks in geneva and got markel says she'd prefer to go another election
in germany while the of the need a minority government after talks to form a coalition government broke down the three way talks fell apart the withdrawal of the free democratic party that was the means you're now up to date coming next the stream speaks to billionaire philanthropist more about good governance in africa will see later. today on the strain we're joined by special guest mo if we have the billionaire philanthropist who made his fame and fortune developing mobile phone services
across the african continent now he's giving back through his work focused on promoting good governance and leadership in africa. joining us from london though it were him is the founder of the moat abraham foundation and the motive for him prize the world's largest prize award for excellence to a departing african leader his foundation also puts together ambitions a one of a kind index on african governance and that was released today and ever had this court it's a mirror to record exactly what is happening on the continent mo it's great to have you on the stream when i think of african governance good governance i think about you when i hear your name i think about good african god of governance but when you were a young man what was it that you wanted to do what was your ambition. i love the sciences and engineering. and i didn't want to be. what you
to be. my role model with people like i miss daryn. i want to do. inclination to be a business or to be a lancer with well i would. like to be. i have a picture here and this is you picking up on or a university degree at bradford university in its review or professor john gardner what kind of student were you when you were a diligent student. i was reading. really top of my class. my mother always installed amounts the importance of education. that is away for work lost their way out of poverty. it was reporter for us to study i was always able to. so from there of course to your foundation we got this
tweet from up there have been saying what motivated you to start your foundation which of course is one of the things you are known for now what was the impetus behind that. you know beyond. isn't all of this comes from the area north of south of egypt. we've lived there for sounds of years. social cohesion. caring for the community is part of our culture i was lucky i was a boy who made it good. never expected to be a rich man and. once you made some money then what is important or what you going to do with. i need to what to do give it back. to give it back in a meaningful way. you know.
maybe medicine does or wonderful and i love to be able to do it but i thought if i can find a way to stop help stop. people be poor being needy. did was it the the root of the problem. instead of the symptoms because it is nobody to africans to people because a continent is rich and there's not many african people. so we need to find the root why why are we poor. the answer i came up with is because miss root we have but the government and if we can improve the governance and move forward that's why i'm going to focus on my work in the area governance to read sure that we have a better future for our children moe i asked our online audience serious question
here what makes a good african leader i want to share with you some of their responses. delis says a good african leader has a clear vision and he's go all entitled the leader must be honest i'm worthy of trust he goes on to say he shams corruption doesn't undermine constitutional of fundamental rights of governance this we do not have another one here elements or says a lead a muslim his people subtly most african leaders don't. and then sami these are his qualifications transparent brave these values disappear from our well as a leader such as mandela then now only stories what do you make of that there's this hope but also this reality. listen i mean that is just not fair we have some wonderful leaders for africa in africa i mean look for me the problem is that we have a few bad apples which will make the news you ask everybody that you know makoto
would say i would probably do we know i guess i mean we're no but the. anybody knows for instance my high and you know it but you know it's my siri anyway nobody knows just how i know. there's a look of wonder who are leaders but the media doesn't talk about i mean i can do wonderful stories about many of those to those who many of them one hour awards and unfortunately we african people if we don't know all our heroes. that the that is it unfortunate and i love that you are keeping a positive here i kind of hate to be the bearer of bad news because one of the things that our community brings up time and time again is yes there are good leaders but there's also in demick corruption of course corruption happens all around the world and it takes different forms of for names but this is one of the things people tweeted at us about challenges to good governance robert says
corruption is the order of the day in uganda and corruption systemic rot bribery race in africa one theory is particularly and one other person psyche says corruption corruption and corruption when we asked about the challenges of governance now i know that when you launched your mobile communications company that would eventually become celtel you were pretty adamant about keeping things transparent keeping corruption and bribery out of the dealings how did you do that . it was simple i mean predatory had a wonderful board i don't insisted almighty shareholders so it should be in the board fortunately i had. investors from the i.o.c. the international financial brain the. c.d.c. which is really a branch of government. which is the american government. the german development agency which is german government ever more which is dutch government yes admittedly. there were small shareholders three percent four bits and five bits
and bytes insisted to have all those people in the board so we had a board which has really a lot of powerful players and we took a solution that any chief executive running any of our companies in africa. cannot dispense more than thirty dollars that is i love all of us. any larger sons had to get over the board so nobody can go to the c.e.o. and say give me a couple of maybe you have to have an election year say sure you know we'll have a right to the board but that board. nobody would try to lighten that kind of board asking for a play but. to be honest very few people ask for bribery and lets people know that you don't nobody will bothers you and we have always been
a member that. bribery is like other effects to. committed that so business also is responsible for bribery and who always complain about this issue look we are serious and we hold our officials in africa accountable is and we keep talking about it and expose it but what about the business people who are involved in that do you know that all european countries only. demand is criminalized corruption around the year two thousand only seventeen years before that corruption and bribery was legitimate actually it was tax deductible. sam guys lecturing africans about bribery were letting their business people bribe our leaders and actually give them tax
incentives also to do it by two thousand people made it a crime so then was a question when's the last time we'll hear that germany or france or denmark or sweden. did take any businessman to court over bribery in africa i haven't heard about that so. the business people are getting scot free nobody is shedding the light on that so we need to understand really unless international community also become serious about the issue of corruption or cannot move forward we have been talking about anonymous companies where companies where nobody knows who owns it and this is a vehicle for the getaway car for for corruption money if you're really there and it's just money you're not going to walk to the local bank and put it there but you
have to would have said all share company somewhere hidden behind some lawyers in it and who say that should indeed you know that should be stopped why we need anonymous companies and again we see governments that are in defeat on this issue corruption is a major issue but we need everybody to be serious identity so it is not i mean africa the book corner the market in afghanistan i have to be clear about right now let me show our audience where we are in terms of your mo abraham index of african governments for this year and looking at this just the summary of third of the countries are driving overall import improvement in african governments. that has some level of being positive but also a lot of room for improvement let's start with the the positive countries where where would you point to in the continent where you are saying i'm so impressed by
what they've been doing. countries which are top ranking in power and if they can't those who share doing quite well and moving forward. countries like. but which want to. do well. sometimes also they story here and there but such achieve such high high marking that really far ahead so in the top six or seven cantonese they actually desire to be much movement. lucy a country record giver is doing well sometimes it's a game story a little bit but really up there. when i have a number of really. good companies which are. delivering services and people are.
doing the right. they don't have of course this small group of countries which are down there have been down there for a long line and. some some of them suffer from conflicts and conflicts armed conflicts and social unrest usually destroy governments. but some of them came out of it and moved forward. very. very you know over the course for example came out from a difficult time and now they're one of the best actuary. tunisia's doing well. the country which managed the what you call this brinkley video shows in a sensible way. for what they have challengers but joins a top ten so we'll moderately i hate to cut you off there because i love the list
of the countries that are doing well but unfortunately there are many members of our community and some of the countries that may be not doing so well so let's get straight to it this is a tweet here it's there implicating the country i think you can read through the lines pauline says should leader stay in power for thirty seven years and of course she's referencing our president robert mugabe of uganda zimbabwe excuse me this is a video card and we actually got out of zimbabwe about that leader have a listen to what you need to monitor told us you see. the fish it's first we look at the state and i think that. and all that has been happening in my country deeply so much corruption you know they have to expand and see an accountability i think of how the mindset leadership needs to change
so my question to you is can we really and dog new tricks can change the mindset of our leadership and of course the top line of the news today for zimbabwe is that gobby has ignored the ruling party lead a decision to make sure that he resigns he faces impeachment now so what do you make comment there. it's really affronts for a number of years i've been making statements about situations and asking the question how come. our continent is is a continent of young people vast majority of our people are brought in years old and why we have somebody at mind you three years or sink he can really blends if you chose us who are good people who you know is nothing about them look when they are sixty five years or if you are a teacher engineer doctor whatsoever people say thank you very much it's time to
have a test now is mugabe telling us that the running a country is such a trivial job that somebody cannot stay away for two hours we should be able to do it. it is ridiculous and it is so sad that mugabe has had been a hero of the independence is that i can end up his political life like this if you leave on time. people would mean that that would have meant then his legacy look at mandela he came out of brazen set of just wanted him to not even to stay for a second and say ok guys goodbye get somebody younger to do it this is leadership. let me just show you something this is from again from this year's index about human development and for the the legend anyway that screen is showing improvement
dark green a lot of improvement the pink areas are areas first concern but i'm just thinking in terms of human resources on the african continent it's young people that are so important so this is a pretty good scar for the continent fifty six point one out of one hundred one why do you focus so much on the youth of the continent because you feel that they are critical to how it goes for its. number one the majority of audible reassured as young people so that is that the majority of people secondly does our future. we have a tsunami of young to be able comic forward our demography we have a huge bunch of this. early ages of our democracy is different from any other continent or errors. this tsunami of young people your age number of young fourteen million young to be able to come to the marketplace to work working age
every year fifty million people now that's. it two edge sword. if we create those people if you would your kid there would have an amazing workforce in africa with japanese our aging europeans our aging. there's not enough young people to really run the states and services everywhere we have this wealth of young educated people that's a great advantage for us but if we're fit to train. his skills to this young people what will happen will end up with millions and millions of young people frustrated showplace desperate what you're going to do there we're not die in the sahara taking a harder you're going to die in the mediterranean right across a better life or they're going to become our arms to join
a terrorist group or. at least you get paid doing zat and day but i tend to have some kind of dignity or a mission carrying the machine guns. this is the crucial issue for us all to our future of africa depends on what's going on what would i do with our young people it's going to this way are going to go that way so we really have to understand that there is someone who would agree with you says determination is already an established factor in african youth but the finance is the major brouhaha to their entrepreneurial dream so one of the challenges there but i want to pivot just a little bit to play a video comment from a former president this is president mugabe former president of what's one who is actually ever since the end of your award in two thousand and eight and here is what he told the story. this is the provision has allowed me to the team with my life i finished. focusing on the end of a piece so just election observation. mediation and participation
effectivity is a charitable foundation but it just africa. such is the world ready for patient so it must i think about the asian african wildlife trust and the african of year. i research continue to work with their venture partners to prevent the spread of a check. book what do you want me for african governments for the year. a question straight to remember him. well i didn't hear the question quite clearly it was asking me what's next and what is your wish for african governance for the year ahead very specific twenty team i i mean i hope to see i brought in the education and training of young people short and to the point where i'm just
wondering with this index that comes out every year there's not one in europe there's not one in latin america there's not one in the americas not one in asia what is it that it can do as an index to help the continent. i think what we're doing in africa is unique and i hear many people would like to do the same for issue on europe bill gates was very keen to try to persuade europeans to do one for europe especially at the crisis in two thousand in his book about that in davis and but nobody came forward to do it friends if in latin america and south america they always say to me all this is why do you come and go on and explore us and the general guys i'm an african i'm to africa you guys do your old continent. well i think somerset some people to do something i'm looking at some of the pos recipients of the most if were him prize. an
honorary prize going to nelson mandela and then here us impossible orients i'm just wondering thinking ahead could that be aim form a female president joining that line up of lawyers is it possible do you see that what you gonna tell me if you are the right to persuade me to say something about eliminating and i'm not going to say anything because. i'm not a member of the prize committee i have no vote i don't know what to discuss it is a separate organization was all of the sources which does it's a they say of the sites we know it is gay before we go bob nick in february sometime in february over there to be able to answer the question. we have time for just one more video comment and this is out of cards whom have a listen to show again. putting in mind the disability government is now working on repairing the relations and ties with who was assigned is there any new plants or
programs that money right here is working on to respond to the recent critical needs in discussion only concrete fields how do you contribute and empower you know either two thirds of the city's community are between the age of eighteen and thirty five is there any future vision or plans that include investing on youth by building their capacities to meet a future leader. so he brings that back to the question of you. absolutely i mean we will try to do what we can in that area i mean we have a number of scholarships we have a number of. friendships also i don't know if my friend there but i will check in our website here to see what we plan to do that although our core activity in gore's horse is going towards the issue of governance but we encourage
and work with other people once the work was many other groups and civil society to try to retool help so to say to war we have to leave and behalf of civil society was governments when we see this operation or that as far as that is a government with the right along with the right. for the right of the south but. unfortunately there is mr order without. also that and so i was with so that is good number fifty thousand is working number three out of fifty four yeah out of this before kind of it's source that this is my kind of just my all and source out but they're good we have this is ground zero of all of the government going all in. one party and one of the n.r.a.
members were right at the end of the show it's been such a pleasure talking to you i know there are two phrases that you don't particularly like about africa africa basket case africa rising give us an alternative way to think of the african continent in a pithy sentence africa realities. thank you very much for him it's been a pleasure having you here on the stream our conversation continues always online hash tag stream.
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