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tv   The Stream 2017 Ep 202  Al Jazeera  December 20, 2017 7:32am-8:01am +03

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killed at least one hundred thirty six yemeni civilians in ten days they died between december sixth and december sixteenth one attack involved seven air strikes on a president's last week which killed forty five detainees a procedural errors forcing the u.s. house of representatives to vote again on a contentious one and a half trillion dollar tax reform bill the bill possibly republican controlled house but was later rejected by senate officials who said it broke the body's rules if pasta as expected it will be president trump's first major legislative win since he took office. five people have died during a protest in the semi autonomous kurdish region of iraq eighty others were wounded in the town of running. demonstrations of also been held in the kurdish city of sanaa many thousands rallied against unpaid public sector salaries they set fire to the offices of political party. at least forty three people have died after tropical storm battered the philippines rescuers are recovering more bodies in
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areas devastated by landslides and flooding these twelve people have died after a bus carrying cruise ship passengers flipped over on a highway in eastern mexico the bus was making its way to the mayan ruins seven americans and two sweetest nationals are among the injured and police say they haven't established the nationalities of those killed in that crash. stay tuned for the stream that's up next. with and for your. family ok you in the strain would live on al-jazeera. today voters in states
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consulate in your region go to the polls with the thorny question of secession on everyone's minds what will happen next and i'm really could be a lot i'll be bringing our gas your comments also on today's show al-jazeera has a new podcast network its first so closer than they appear at grapples with questions of american identity we'll meet host and writer carvel wallace but first we return to a story that the stream has devoted several shows to this that we can't get crisis sipping off the news agenda it is far from over take a look at this video from al-jazeera is mohamad jangi. doctors without borders estimate that nine thousand roll him just died in the month that followed the start of the military crackdown in me and more which began in late august. most of the rohinton who died were killed violence. the estimate contrasts sharply with me on mars government total it said four hundred refugees were killed that month.
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doctors without borders says their estimate is conservative and the actual total is likely to be far higher we have published the most conservative figure we had it's . and if you look at the surf a.v. did this interview with more than twelve thousand people which were read in the sample from a population of six out of the oceans. the killing you heard about in the report has driven more than six hundred thousand room. men women and children over the border from myanmar and so bangladesh since attacks and security checkpoints by a small branch are armed groups prompted a brutal crackdown on rather than just civilians by the me and maher army now bangladesh have struck a deal to send the written back but what would they be going back to joining us we have dr adams asia direct to at human rights watch and challenge me is an al-jazeera reporter based in bangladesh gentlemen good to have you here via you said as a couple of pictures i want to show you this one here where are we what are we
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seeing what's happening. this is an cox bazaar name about a killer a couple of kilometers from cook the problem with some of the biggest refugee camps are now when you take this access as though it is part of the asian the high where that is built by the bangladesh army now this goes right in to an area called ruin my mother part which is zero line the border between me and my mother and bangladesh and there's a refugee camp bare and this is the access point now in the beginning on the influx in september and early october pozen suffering as took shelter on the roadside and the empty spaces they couldn't find and people like giving them clothes the local people were handing them clothes and food so what you see it's got a bunch of clothes all across this place is because they abandoned the clothes they were wearing because they're talking are very so people were giving them relief
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coat and you see them in the streets and people were actually taking shelter in these places which is much much more better now because since the british army took over it's far more stable now the camps are organized you don't see them in the street just aggression in september and october was very dire picture save a little bit about it definitely so then we saw of course as you saw the beginning of this show this segment there's been an agreement between bangladesh and me in march to return some of those people living in talks bazaar but the main question that we're hearing from our community members is what happens when and if they return this is what car dean a former stream cassie's a director general of the ira kind union and this is what he asked. they are returned which they could be attacked again by security forces who are going to provide protection for. international involvement.
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right to protect there has to be a safe zone. administered by the international community. additionally their citizenship issue has to be addressed. so brad he raised a number of concerns but chiefly protection who will protect them. yeah i mean the international law is very clear that. turns out to be safe and voluntary it can be forced and if you are thinking of it in bangladesh right now as dire as your circumstances may be why would you want to go back to your villages and of them burned out the people who forced you out of burma are still in power and in fact the burmese government both the military and civilian government are in complete denial about what they did they are not taking responsibility they are not saying even though some rogue elements committed these crimes the military launched an
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inquiry of itself and surprise surprise it said that we didn't kill anybody we didn't do anything and there is a a media campaign in burma. that is saying that this is all fake this is fake news we've had our sons who choose. websites say that allegations of sexual violence were fake news and so i don't think anyone's going to be going back any time soon this agreement between burma bangladesh is just words on paper. it was cobbled together under pressure from china which wants to be seen as a regional power broker but no donor is going to support this now if people do go back it is absolutely essential to the united nations monitors on the ground but we have to be very careful that they're not sent back to camps worst case scenario for the rain it would be to be moved from camps in bangladesh where they have relative safety to camps in burma where they're basically living in detention or possibly in concentration camps where they went be at the mercy of the burmese army or police
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and any time when they decided to go after the ring you know again. as a tweet that. he says i tried to go back this is a quote to get the bodies of my children but they were already on fire but he just survived often to let each a new human rights report document spammy some of the chains extreme methodical brutality if i'm looking at you reporting here what are the stories that you're telling now i just got back from but. what's interesting to note that many are very good if it is a recently came within with them actually early week of december. late november they were sitting there live as atrocities still going there burning out of villages and as a. refugee crossed into bangladesh even after this agreement signed between
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bangladesh and leon maher and also important to know that there is a delegation there that up there with joint working committee in order to repair trade lot of this within generally or february. well next to little crime if you ox most of the ranges there are very serious apprehension in going back immediately unless there's some sort of security guarantee some sort of assurance can you imagine asking somebody to go back to their captors that they just came back so traumatized the children the woman i don't believe man and you asking them to go back immediately they sure is that me and my has a short bam this hardly builds a confidence on bam to go back immediately definite no you cannot force them either and that fact remains even today i'll come came up with a report that there's going to still coming across the border still believe there's been barn as human rights watch on the state since october a lot of villages were burn and the fact that riyadh assuring that will take you
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back is a very contradictory to the situation on the ground with things to be still very volatile and critical for the range of refugees coming into bangladesh as well as over bear yeah we have to remember there's been many outbreaks of violence because they were in year two thousand and twelve there were two that forced many thousands but to cross the border to bangladesh and every time there's an outbreak of violence there's denial by the authorities and those who stay are persecuted you who remain in burma are living in fear of their lives every single day and the people who were burnt out of their villages in two thousand and twelve of effectively been forced into engine camps that some call concentration camps they can't leave the villages without permission he's moved around the country they're denied medical care food we have high infant and child mortality rates in these camps and they have no future they can't see
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a time when they will be able to live freely in their own country so proud and tell me we're going to leave it half an hour thank you for reminding us that this is a story that may not be a headline nice but is still incredibly important to hinge on so. we go from cox it's a bizarre to take you to catalonia in spain where crucial votes will take place on thursday i mean look at this clip from al jazeera. with a new good smile the spanish prime minister enters the. body and over what he was here to rouse loyalists for his people's party in the fight against the separatist . thank you for defending spain thank you for defending the constitution thank you for defending the law according to opinion polls trouble his party has no chance of winning. the. challenge of a majority along with other secession parties and stop catalonia breaking away there's also a high possibility separatist parties could score
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a majority. so as you heard their polls show that things are very close between pro independence and anti independence parties the vote is the first since october when the madrid government crackdown on an independence referendum it had declared illegal and took direct control of the wealthy region so what's likely to happen next and how strong is the pro independence movement two months on jodi asked to discuss this. at the university of boston area and. it's a communications consultant and political commentator i want to start with our community we got this from paris on twitter who says i think the results in thursday's election will be crucial this election has been called by the spanish government and will be held under the most difficult of circumstances spain has imprisoned consulate ministers and force the president to so with all of those facts there so and you know what is the mood like right now in the lead up to this election. i don't know it's
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a bit too much maybe for me to speak about the general mood but i would say somehow the tension after the police brutality and everything that we saw of the first weeks of october has gone a little low having people in prison having people outside the country has left more like a feeling off. and sadness i would even say and yes there is still a bit of anger against madrid by many people and many parts of the population but there's less tension that said. people are in general a bit cautious about what is going to happen on thursday as you just said pause haven't been very clear it depends on who make the paul the results are very different and they're the general idea is that probably as you just said prime dependents and unionist parties are going to be kind of
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a very very equal so we're just waiting to see what's happening maybe a three hour who follows closer kind of planets movements can give you more insight . and looking at some polls here from the financial times in a sort of put the most together as averages catalonia independence for separatists forty six point nine percent unionists forty three point seven percent and down here not aligned seven point eight percent so close but does it still close in catalonia. well it does feel like at least in this election being so important thing and then going through so much tension. many people who might have never voted in my might show up. on thursday to the polls because this gives the pollsters gives them a hard time because when somebody that has never been will call says no i will go
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you never know whether to believe them or not. and there's absolutely. right. it's also different because it's going to be on the on it's not going to be on. usually polls and got a little used to be that also bit of. uncertainty to the whole poll but obviously from the from the point of. the president's going to be generally pretty comfortable in saying that they will haul preserver at least a relative majority here are we got this comment here on twitter excuse me her name escapes and i'm going to get this see you add to our size and the spanish government knows that this vote is not enough to solve the catalan situation they're still going to have to negotiate anyway and so now i see you nodding your head there but i do with this said what will resolve the issue. well
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this this whole negotiation thing is like waiting for god up there we've been we've been told so many times that this plane will sit down and negotiate the end we don't really expect that anymore and you see i'm wearing a yellow ribbon because we've got so many politicians in jail also there are several doesn't website where clothes are blocked before october first and are still blow the website off seven million a few now that i know for instance which is one of the major political organizations in kind of the assembly adult cat is still blocked by the spanish police haven't received any notification so. we can we can label it anyway but these are certainly not normal democratic elections. adding to the comment that you tweeted you just showed us i think what the person was trying to
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say i could fully agree that is that these elections might not solve the background problem or the background conflict which is we do have a part of the cotton population who's asking to be able to decide on our future on what we would like to be or organize ourselves and that conflict between that we are and the fact that the spanish central government says no you are not entitled to decide on that is going to remain there so even if there unionists hartis when with a very. small difference the conflict is still remaining there and you still have a big part of the population who is asking for absolutely different way of organizing so what is the point of this election if the conflict still remains it's not decisive what is the point what what are you going for is this for. i think the spanish government will rather than on or stay for longer with the location
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of our in article one fifty five direct rule from madrid i'm sure that mr million of her him prime minister will of lot who've been able to apply direct rule for for much longer i do believe that there were forces outside of spain perhaps the european union although because they're. told him not to apply for the laws of we just call for us not elections and and took advantage of them as much as they could but he's a party in the popular party seemed to be beamed to to come in last in this in this election is all right even even if you were saying even if pro spain already is eventually made it to the top there is a huge majority in catalonia who do not. at least least i would rule at least. i was applauded so all eyes on thursday thank you. for joining us for this part of
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the show and don't forget you can watch full coverage of the qahtani election right here on al-jazeera this thursday now from spain we moved to san francisco in the united states to meet writer carvel wallace the host of a new podcast that's already winning praise take a look. a look at the early morning when i. was sitting less than. a man who has been home and hungry. slept on park benches and in apartments with no electricity he's been the only black person in his world. been told he has people. that he used to think makes white people feel and see.
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i see a man who thinks every day about whether or not he will be the next morning. i look in the mirror and i also see a father and a friend and a magazine writer who makes a list every night of all the things in his life that he's grateful for his health having a bad. two children who are from cuba full. like the nation that birthed always looked toward the future. dunning us cover while they write of closer than they. have out there are some paul cost a little snack little five minutes not to see a one day grounding of groceries and the other pub costs like you all of which is a free call smale with extras and the law even when you think you're full i'll put you can't take any more if people are looking out for this podcast trying to think
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what is it a balance what is calvo trying to do and the and the teen what what's the what's what's the mission here well i mean thanks for having me on the show i think that america is that point where there's a lot of reckoning to be done one of the most things i say about this time in american history is that this is a time where everyone is paying for everything and a lot of american history has been about taking things on credit basically. that we've been a we've tried as a country to show certain times for pression wrote this to shove certain crimes against against our own values under the rug and it seems that this is a time in which all of that is coming the bill is coming due right people are being held accountable that fear that we should have been feeling the entire time now
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people are feeling a larger level and so what i wanted to do with this show was i wanted to open up a space to have that conversation to say some things that maybe we need to be said and want to be said but the people have a hard time variant words and as a writer kind of the one thing i know that i have that i can offer to the world is i'm pretty good at putting things into works and and is so in that way i wanted to create you know create another way to talk about the fear the anxiety the confusion the doubts that a lot of people like myself from people close to are experiencing right now. i wanted to create a place for people to have that in a larger larger level and carvell is someone who would listen to all of your episodes so far i think you have done that but what i get from your podcast is this feeling a giant there be session for america and so it's interesting then that we've gotten this comment from outside the united states this is claudia on twitter she says i'm
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an unconditional fan of closer than they appear from spain i'm a white european queer woman interested in politics and activism her question for you is in your opinion how can white people fight white supremacy and racism without falling into the racial color blindness between all here but we're all equal yeah yeah i mean i think that it requires a certain amount of. i mean i think i think that the person who writes is on the right track right knowing that thinking that we're all human and equal is not enough in other words is true but it's not enough so it's true that role human we're all equal but it's also true that our lived experience differs greatly and you know once i had a great friend say to me about being black she said we're not black people were people who are who have the black experience which i thought was such an interesting distinction and it's one that has guided the way i think about race that yes you can say reese is made up in races not real and it's biologically but
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it's a it's it is a social truth and to live as a black person in this country to live as a woman in this country we're a person this country is centered center gives you an experience it's also true that to live as a white person as country gives you a certain experience part of the problem that america is facing right now is that we for centuries have been told that that experience of being white in america was the default experience that that was the normal one and there is a collective feeling of fatigue with that because that's not true and believing that's true has guided this country to kind of pave over the health safety and happiness of out of people so. so so to balance this idea that we're all human beings with the idea that and therefore to be human being and to grow up as a black person in this country means that certain parts of your humanity have been challenge and that needs to be repaired you have to hold both those truths they're not opposites but the way this country works we think of them as opposites so to answer the question that claudia asks which is what can she do you know i think of
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this is a movement and everyone has a job has something skillful that they're able to do in movement i'm a writer some people can work in politics some people can work in finance some people can take to the streets i think that i think that we all i think this movement requires all of us to do our work at a high level but there's a certain lot of consciousness that has to be developed in order for that work to not be harmful and this distinction between knowing that we're all human but also recognizing the specific ways in which our experience has been harmful and our healing from that that's a big part of the consciousness that is developing cover you get very passable in your pub castine talk about america you talk about yes south i know a little bit about your family background pull you up at the roots a fight club when you should democrat punch him when he shouldn't i mean it's a it's a anything i think you would not talk about that this is absolutely taboo we have thirty seconds left you know nobody i'm mad i know that you know how long that is
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so we decided seconds and i'm going to the you would not go that. there isn't really i mean i talk about my story not because i want people to know about me but because i think it can help people understand feel more at home more safe and honest in their stories and that's all about having the right to be because one of the things that systemic oppression that it messes with your administration has been doing thank you so much as though the time we have thank you so much for joining us you can find houses in their past couple public us couple that can laptop well anyway will you now to get help paul costs and you can i will be online at how much that seething.
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and monday put it on the. u.s. and british companies have announced the biggest discovery of natural gas in west africa but what to do with these untapped natural resources is already a source of heated debate nothing much has changed they still spend most of their days looking forward to for the dry river beds like this one five years on the syrians still feel battered or even those who managed to escape their country have been truly unable to escape the we're. just talking. about shooting people are not able to shoot to burn themselves and there are other countries have managed to solve this problem but you worry that this
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conflict could erupt into a cult right open a war that the city's job security where the people who paid the price clearly there writeup unprejudiced setting the stage for a serious debate up front at this time on al-jazeera. news is happening faster than ever before from different places from different people and you need to be part of back you need to be able to reach people wherever they are and that means being across all social media platforms this is where our audience lives as well as in front of a t.v. they're on the smartphone and they're on the tablet they're on their computer. and that's the way al-jazeera is of all into the true media network.
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