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and d.l.c. politics and he has his work cut out for him these facing long time ruler president joseph kabila is nominated successor in the december katherine sawyer as mail. after his father eighty and she said katie died in february last year felix she said cady to go over the reins of the largest opposition party the union for democracy and social progress. his father had come second in the twenty eleven presidential election and the young like to see katie hopes to capitalizing on that legacy and popularity himself for his father then favoring the same flack street cop. but unlike the old that she said katie who had decades of experience both in government and the opposition his son was until recently not in the thick of congress politics he lived in belgium for many as as a political newcomer some have criticized his lack of experience there twenty one
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presidential candidates or the past and to bit as a man a diary president joseph kabila successor it will be a single round contest opposition leaders and civil society groups have raised concern about an electronic voting system to be used for the first time in the country and the inclusion of some ten thousand voters who they say should be struck out because of irregularities they're worried that the election will not be free and fair. forty six million congolese i expected to go to the paul's supporters of the opposition believe this is a chance for their leaders to show a united front after years of divisions and that it makes just as a man to lead them to victory catherine sawi al-jazeera. so i have for you on the program accused of war crimes in central african republic a man known as rambo appears before the international criminal course. and a south sudan looks for a vive its oil sector we meet the residents whose water has been contaminated by
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damaged oil wells. carlo welcomes another look at the international forecast for got more rain clouds pushing into western parts of europe loss of coming into that western side of france into the southwest approaches of england pushing into wells so parts of olim to the really heavy rain is now making its way across the iberian peninsula so more lively downpours coming through here by saturday that western weather will swept across southern france snow over the house maybe twenty to thirty centimeters of snow for some some heavy rain to into parts of northern italy pushing over towards the a vatican but for the race here it is largely dry but it's pretty cold temperatures around minus three celsius therefore he have subzero in moscow as well
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by sunday the cloud in the rain returns to a good part of italy much of the balkans eastern areas generally dry bit milder there fullbrook restaurant celsius well father night seven right there for london and paris as we go through sunday night is more wet weather pushing into that western side of that is disturbed by the pushing across spain and portugal will also affect the north of morocco a good part of algeria's well plenty of cloud around here think around twenty to thirty millimeters of rain on the cards for some bright skies come back in as we go on through sunday with some showers pushing into west in libya. well if we cannot have palestina my government was suddenly not allowed britain to control french palestine would be an outrage but then we need to find another solution before we come to blows over a century ago britain and france made the secret deal that changed the shape of the middle east and so. now we can draw on the.
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psych's pekoe lines in the sand on just the. welcome back quick reminder of the top stories now turkish investigators analyzing the phone calls and movements of the suspects in the case of murdered saudi journalist jamal khashoggi say the operation to kill him was planned twelve days in advance in the recordings a third voice is heard which security sources say might be that of saudi crown prince mohammed bin so mine. suicide attackers have tried to storm the chinese
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consulate in the pakistani city of karachi killing two policeman a separatist group the liberation army has claimed responsibility for the attack and yemen's who is the rebels of the greek talks which could result in the united nations running the port of data a port a vital lifeline for yemenis many of whom a starving a four year civil war. a central african republic a militia leader and a politician is told the international criminal court that he was tortured after his arrest last month alford yes also known as rambo has appeared at the hague for war crimes he was a senior leader of the mostly christian movement whose fighters attacked muslim celica rebels in two thousand and thirteen or a challenge as more from the netherlands. when al jazeera and counted out for the ekotto main central african republic it was two thousand and fourteen the country's ethnic and religious conflict was in its fiercest stages and yet its own was in charge of a christian militia group fighting predominantly muslim seleka rebels seem filmdom
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outside the capital bangui on the roads and baking now he's in very different circumstances appearing for the first time before judges from the international criminal court in the netherlands a preliminary hearing for his forthcoming war crimes and crimes against humanity trial this is the first time that the central african republic has extradited someone to the international criminal court to face charges for their involvement in the recent conflicts and as such it represents a significant step for the country in dealing with violence but how we got here is something of an accident late october the militia leader turned m.p. was detained in benghazi after firing a gun inside cia ours parliament's only after this on november eleventh did the i.c.c. publish its arrest warrants and he was hastily extradited a week later all this has reaffirmed for some the suspicion that there's a degree of opportunism in how the i.c.c.
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works i think what we've learned to about the r.c.c. in the last sixteen years is that it's a much less impressive institution than many people hard and it lacks resources it also lacks knowledge of complex conflict zones in africa and as a result of that it can't go after the big fish it can't go after presidents of countries instead it's having to go after often middle ranking actors and you could tom very much fits that category still groups such as the international federation for human rights are hailing the prosecution bot hope there are more yes we absolutely call on the prosecutor and her office to proceed with for their arrest warrants against all those or sponsible in the various armed groups involved in the commission of crimes in this conflict and it has to be an inclusive justice inside courts yeah that's almost lawyer said his client had been arbitrarily detained and abused in custody in benghazi before being extradited. according to
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his clearance he was tortured and he was beaten with the butt of a kalashnikov he still carries the visual mark on his right foot and he told me that the doctor of the detention center had noticed as. the judge said the court would consider these claims if officially submitted in writing and that the next hearing would be on april the thirtieth two thousand and nineteen rory tallinn's al-jazeera the hague amazon workers in the u.k. and elsewhere in europe have been demonstrating outside distribution sites of working conditions a u.k. union has described them as frankly inhumane the protests were timed to coincide with black friday which is the biggest shopping day of the year and he would reports from central england. it is a twenty four hour operation which only pauses when the ship changes packing and preparing parcels to wooded with a simple click i don't black friday with discounted prices at the online retailer stuff but amazon busier than ever with
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a good shave well rachel. was outside this distribution center not far from london a defiant cry from members of the g.m.b. union they claim conditions inside are inhuman and the stopper treated like robots and don't even have time to go to the toilet. when you go and work in a warehouse you do expect the monotony you expect to be a bit like a coal mine and to be in the dark for twelve hours you don't expect to be treated like you don't expect to be just driven and driven and driven and expected to perform. feasibly hite august all the time. the general manager at this amazon site told us his staff were treated fairly well worship warehousing operations for twenty years and i believe that what we ask our people to do is absolutely. the union also alleges that amazon is what places are unsafe claiming
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ambulances have been called out six hundred times to fourteen warehouses during the last three financial years amazon told us their sites were safe and had fewer injuries on average compared to other similar companies there were protests about conditions in other parts of europe too with most stop at one site in spain walking out. the company certainly has changed the way many people around the world shop here in the u.k. well amazon's star has risen during the past two decades traditional shopping areas have been struggling to compete on black friday the retailer was even opening a pop up shop in the trendy area of. amazon mo has long been seen as a symbol by some of corporate greed paying as little tax relief as legally possible while the can buy a boat so moving its profits continue to rise there's no getting away from the fact that amazon is a huge machine at this site and i employ thousand people with hundreds more during
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the busiest times of the. amazon cool's its distribution sites fulfillment centers exactly how fulfilling they are to work in is a matter of opinion and a haywood al-jazeera the milton keynes. united arab emirates is considering an appeal for clemency by the family of a precious student jailed for life a spine matthew had his was arrested it took by airport seven months ago is on a research trip for his university thesis family says he's been mistreated and was forced to sign a confession in arabic which he doesn't understand guinea's government has deployed elite army battalions to patrol the capital conakry following a number of opposition and protests demonstrators angry about unpaid wages and disputed election results nicolas uk has mall. discontent is spreading teachers left their classrooms swapping pens and paper for rocks and
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sticks protesting for better pay the join a growing wave of discontent against president condé and his government civil servants want their unpaid wages trade unionist wanted to oil price hikes the opposition want the killing of protesters to stop it here in the shell but if the army has been deployed against the people the military are heavily armed this is in violation of our rights and the constitution. outnumbered in overwhelm the police now patrol with an elite army battalion turning the capitol into battlefield human rights groups accuse the president of using the military to fire live bullets at the people it's meant to defend hundreds have been injured and twenty killed including members of the security forces we are calling for is for. sure but these stocks should be no more death in the context of demonstrations in guinea and there
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are a number of ways. one is ensuring that the members of the security forces who have used excessive force are held to account that they are taken to brought to justice also a clear message from the your thirty's but also from the political parties that violence should not be used during demonstrations including demonstrations of the imposition of the or the ruling party i mean they should be very clear that they're right that he's protected is the right to peaceful demonstration. began in february over a contested local election in quickly spread the government accuse the opposition of using guerrilla tactics running street battles with armed men pitted against the security forces despite a ban on marches protests continue. they are trying to take part of the population hosty. by militarizing the streets and they give the excuse that this is to maintain law and order has been in power since two thousand and ten
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opponents fear he wants to change the constitution in seek another mandate with elections scheduled for twenty twenty and growing popular resentment these protests may be just a glimpse of what lies ahead nicholas hawke al-jazeera. hof a million villages in south sudan have had their water supplies contaminated by leaks from damaged oil wells the oil facilities were heavily attacked during the five year civil war some of being repaired and production is restarting to boost the oil dependent economy but as have a morgan reports villages in the northern state of fear further damage to the health. for more than seven years doctors advised to make sure his daughter is never alone they couldn't figure out why she lost the ability to walk. she was growing up normally she started crying one night that her body was aching
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then over a few weeks she stopped walking i took her to so many doctors no one gave me a reason why this happened. he isn't sure what affected his daughter's health but a tour is she loses the tumor growing on her hand four years ago and it's become more painful lately the forty two year old blames drinking water from a source near an oil well given to let me first there was pain in my left hand then i got frequent headaches then the tumor appeared on my right hand i drink the water that's next to the oil well and i think that series and behind it. she's one of hundreds who live in villages near oil wells and growing state some were abruptly shut five years ago when rebel attacks destroyed facilities the shutdown are blamed for causing oil leak or just into water source his production is restarting and the damage is repaired oil revenue accounts more than one thousand percent of south sudan's g.d.p. increased oil production because the stronger economy must ask for those believe me to hold well unless you want to sources around the area there are concerns that one
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production would want health risks. the german aid organization sign of hope says leaks and damaged oil wells have contaminated the water supplies of more than have a million south sudanese the organisation says what i meant for drinking was found to contain heavy metals and oil production waste government leaders say they are looking to the operating companies to assure villages about their health concerns really. what it about they being because of their or you. said leak out. this is affecting people all from time to time in the community people who are on the state government also a quarter of the companies that you are working or printing ruling is that in order to look. the needs of the people. the main operating company in the area the group the pioneer operating company are keep ok he says it's aware of the health concerns
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it is because of what's in the be on the street you have been very much of the my concern is the opportunity that we should take in that i'm not only not only stuck in the water and then we don't hear about the people. villages such as ned who may never recover from her illness neither will just wants treatment for her tumor but whether to make her being. people morgan al-jazeera ruling south sudan. as a giant samson has apologized for illnesses and deaths among some of its workers at the factories it settles a longstanding dispute that began when an employee died of leukemia in two thousand and seven c.e.o. came can now i'm admitted the south korean company failed to provide a safe working environment at his computer chip and display factories the company also promised to comply with a compensation plan so he's famous leaning tower of pisa isn't leaning so much
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squit minder the top stories now turkish investigators analyzing the phone calls and movements of the suspects in the case of murdered saudi journalist mark ashaji say the operation to kill him was planned twelve days in advance in the recordings a third voice which security sources say might be that of the saudi crown prince well early attack his foreign minister accused u.s. president donald trump of turning a blind eye to the murder of khashoggi. also suggested the u.s. only wants to protect its own interests. there are a number of questions that have not been answered the whole world wants answers to these questions the explanations given by mr trump saying i will turn a blind or you whatever happens is only acceptable before everything else we have to remember that there was a life lost here. suicide attackers have tried to storm the chinese consulate in the pakistani city of karachi three gunmen and at least two policemen were killed a separatist group the pollutions don liberation army has claimed responsibility
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for an explosion at a mosque in eastern afghanistan has killed at least twenty six soldiers a suicide bomber detonated his device inside an army base in a hostile province just as friday prayers were drawing to a close at least fifty seven others were wounded in the explosion yemen's who's the rebels have agreed tell talks which could result in the united nations running the port of data u.n. special envoy martin griffiths made the announcement after speaking to iran backed the iran backed rebels but is a vital lifeline for yemenis many of whom are starving for u.s. civil war saudi led coalition forces have been battling to take the data for months flash floods have killed at least seven people including four children in northern iraq the mayor share cut says the floods caused by an usually heavy and early rains have left three thousand people homeless. and a central african republic militia leader and politician has told the international criminal court that he was beaten and tortured off his arrest last month. also
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known as rambo has appeared at the hague for war crimes he was a senior leader of the mostly christian movement whose fight has attacked muslim seleka rebels in two thousand and thirteen. the top stories more news coming up later on but now it's up front. what happened to eisele has the threat disappeared have they been defeated we're all we kidding ourselves and from special.
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despite the horrific attack in kabul this week studies show that twenty seventeen was the third consecutive year when the number of terrorist attacks around the world went down and the number of attacks in the west claimed by eisel has gone down by around eighty percent this year so what does this all mean joining me on this special edition of outfront to discuss the past present and future of eisel bloom a professor at georgia state university and author of dying to kill or of suicide terror joe miller a professor of political science at ohio state university and author of overblown how the politicians and terrorism industry inflate national security threats and why we believe them from london middle east and north africa research fellow at chatham house and from leon nicholas and on a journalist a former i saw hostage and author of jihad academy the rise of islamic state thank you all for joining me from mia let me start with you am i wrong in saying that
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despite a few really bad eisel attacks like the one in november in melbourne australia the threat that poses at least to the west seems to have gone down in the media we don't talk about it as often politicians are talking about the threat from the attacks seem to have gone down compared to europe target is that fair it depends on what you're calling the west if you're calling north america the west and absolutely the number of attacks have gone down the statistics for twenty seven thousand was that there were sixty five terrorist attacks or terrorist events in the united states last year more than fifty percent were extreme right wing but if you're looking at other places if you're looking at western europe or you're looking at the rest of the world we are largely ignoring. places like nigeria where the attacks have actually gone up or places like southeast asia where in indonesia or the philippines we really have to be concerned so it's a combination of being concerned about the returning foreign fighters to europe but also the fact that there is a bit of a whack a mole that a lot of ice is propaganda and activity has moved from the west from the middle
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east or at least iraq and syria to other parts because of the old according to one recent study and twenty seven team global terror attacks fell by a fifth and fatalities from those attacks fell by a quarter that's a good news story isn't it. what is this situation in twenty thirty and twenty fourteen was absolutely dramatic we had. people coming from our own countries and leaving our countries and joining. this terrorist group and in an incredible wave of departures that we never witnessed in in the recent history so no for sure it is very relaxing at least to see that these flu volunteers for jihad. basically almost stopped for at least europe
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this is a very good news this is the other thing that we need to look at is actually still in the mind and the fact that the act check to vittie of the group has barely decreased dissipates a loss of territory ok. you of course remain entire book saying the entire idea of terrorism threats in the terrorism quote unquote industry is overblown so what do you make of eisel right now well it seems to be very much indeed klein if you look at the american clearly cases where they actually arrested people for trying to do islamic terrorism in the united states there about a dozen over a dozen each in the previous three years and this year there's been one and when you look at the actual cases many people are mentally disturbed completely out of work. and they're not they're not. they're basically people are sort of inspired and for a while there was sort of the jihad as cool phrase that so these many of these
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techs are simply not serious if they hadn't been interrupted or anything they have a question do you agree now based on the numbers and even me as conceding in the u.s. north america attacks are down but even when attacks were high quote unquote you know everything's relative when they were higher than they were now in twenty fifteen twenty sixty eight. even then you one of those voices saying let's not dissolve you know the rove and the citizens as far as i'm concerned is looking at all the years since nine eleven the number of people who have been killed by islamic extremists in the united states is about six per year it isn't much different in most of europe and much much of the western world including australia and so forth that six too many that we don't prefer the disease or of but you know incredibly small number of people i want to talk to somebody at the national institutes of health and i said suppose you had a disease that killed six people a year how much money would you spend trying to eradicate it and he looked back at me like i was crazy i mean there's and you know so much more that you know you've
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got a limited amount of funds and spinning out of his or that small hole of religion out of service waiting patiently in love but before i do me and you to sort of briefly respond to john's point about. the spending on that compared to the number of deaths at least in the well i'm going to agree with the madness of the spending so that's the point that i agree but at the same time i would say that we have to look at the way in which it's inspiring the fact and to add to what nicholas said this jihad this ice is attracted more foreign fighters than afghanistan bosnia and chechnya and the previous war in iraq put together so we did have this ideational of fact that i don't want to discount but john and we're going to come out of it as a very nice segue into redoubtable and so who's in london based in the u.k. when i but you regularly travel to work on the ground in iraq where a lot of these quote unquote foreign fighters came into is it fair to say that which is lost i believe ninety nine percent of its territory now in iraq and syria territory that one point was almost the size of portugal is it fair to say that they've been defeated on the ground in iraq militarily they've been defeated is
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that fair. the network that existed since the late one nine hundred ninety s. going on through to the two thousand continues to exist of course they go through phases where they take more territory and lose territory but the issue here and a kind of draws on the conversation that we're having many people look at i saw as the disease itself but actually i saw is the symptom. and so the problem we have in iraq and syria is actually a bigger problem which is the failure of these governments the failure of these states that allow for groups like isis to emerge and it's also important to i think unpack the difference between the global jihad and the sort of local version of iso so the global jihad is version which really sprung up in two thousand and eleven after sort of what happened in syria but became part of the whole organization that's kind of calmed down but there are still local grievances and many local minded iraqis and syrians who are entertaining the ideas of groups like this
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because of more socio economic reasons not necessarily the idea of isis that which is something that's come up already today so just to be clear though in terms of the territory that you're saying yes they've been pushed out of cities they've been pushed out of mosul they don't control ground so they're quote unquote caliphate but they're still there is a force in terms of networks in terms of ideas in terms of the a little too young disillusioned people i mean you know this is a very dynamic organization i mean it's gone through different i mean it's not it's not the first time that i saw has lost territories of the network if you look at it a bit longer term in two thousand and eight nine and ten of that also last territory and it makes an assumption that it will come back at some point given the fact that everyone keeps focusing on the military solution and on i still rather than the actual problem that allows it to emerge and i've already outlined those but nonetheless at the moment it has still has quite a bit of cash that it's made over the last few years it's still able to kind of reach out in parts of iraq particularly in some provinces like dean it's emerging
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the first attacks and most of the few. so it's emerging so it's not the kind of say to scare that it's back to the two thousand and fourteen fifteen levels well nonetheless it's important to note that it's not. nicholas let me ask you this you of course were a hostage held by saul in the region you wrote very lucidly off do you came back about the people who would hold you hostage and i think you said you know they watch the same t.v. shows as the same called tunes or does a lot of people say well hold on come on these guys are religious fanatics what do you say to them having spent time with them against your will and that they're very humane and some people it could just crazy to try to give you a picture. of terrorists who are like is the is the hakim a just. to give them the picture of being in maine you know what is your main weakness is and this is what we should walk on much more you you
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mention the point about six people to the north american obviously you're an american political scientist you're looking at what the american government is doing at home and abroad but when you listen to renard talk about what's happening in iraq and when you look at for example recent u.n. report found musgrave's from some of the isis controlled areas that were taken back they may have actually killed even more people than we thought when you see when you see what's happening in the middle east and north africa do you worry that your thesis about the threat being overblown is too american centric yes. in a lot of ways it doesn't really present a threat to the united states or to western europe is far as i can see it's basically. a massive threat in some of the countries well it's not a massive that is it's a minor threat it seems to me you know you can have the small groups. still causes problems in somalia and there may be people roaming around the middle east screaming that there are members of isis because it's what one does who are probably in create trouble but it's not it i don't think is even
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a major problem there overall. certainly far far worse than it was earlier when they control these and when they're able to actually do these massacres that you talked about i'm going to disagree with that a couple of them to go to so the reason i disagree is a lot of the foreign fighters that have left iraq and syria have gone to places like libya they've gone to southeast asia they've gone to pakistan and afghanistan and so the idea that these are not actual threats to the governments i disagree having spent time in pakistan having traveled through these areas talking to people who are former members of terrorist organizations this is an actual threat to some governments but he's right not to the american government you know you used the phrase earlier of what kabul is not part of the problem that if you've got this organization that can just pop up because it's an ideology is about as it is a physical group in different parts of the world when you when you bomb them here they go somewhere else where does that leave the overall strategy well it definitely resonates when the local government is corrupt and when people are feeling aggrieved then it starts to have all of these global politics be very
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locally relevant and that's where it becomes problematic so that the isis fighters go in but they link up with local groups who have local grievances and many of these governments are very imperfect and this is where it resonates and they become very popular with the rank and file were not a joiner suggesting that even in the middle east the threat could be seen as overblown impulse that they're not a threat to a lot of governments is that you will. i think very clearly isis you know the organization has had a massive threat in the months of i thought massive consequences on the populations in syria and iraq particularly but elsewhere in the middle east i mean having spent time over the years in iraq it's been devastating and it's been a very dark time in the history of the country and you have many families and many people affected by the organization including the governments of these countries that are still unable to kind of rebuild so how do you think for example western
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governments which are trying to formulate their own security strategies their own policies in the middle east how should they now be reacting in this new environment when i solute been physically removed from the scene in iraq in syria but as you say still pose a threat what would you be saying to governments or the u.k. and from the united states about their position on i still in the middle east at least i mean you know we get this question all the time and there are many different governments that are you know trying to figure out what to do very clearly what's happened is now that the territorial victory has has been made now the military solution has been achieved there's almost like ok well let's pack up and go home and that's exactly what happened in two thousand and six seven eight when at the time it was al qaida in iraq and there's a lot mixtape of iraq or only to have to come back again a few years later because the actual solution didn't include some of the more political and societal socio economic solutions so if my recommendation would be if you want to fight so although you want to really get rid of this organization isn't
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there is a there's a slight contradiction to really talk about root causes and nina symptoms versus disease and you say corruption and you say you know misgovernance and we know about sectarianism in iraq but you see come back a few years later some would argue the ice is all tied in iraq our response to the u.s. occupation in the first place. to some extent i mean to question the earlier years but certainly in two thousand and fourteen it wasn't a direct response to american invasion what it was was a direct response to the failure of the state to rebuild itself in two thousand and three so the point i was trying to make was if you really want to combat isis it's about building these states you know it's about corruption it's about governance it's about letting the people in or most or fluids or the other know that there is something there an institution that can represent them and that can respond to the if that is a very briefly we're not we we need our way over in iraq from your perspective we made that point in the no we're not we we are close because no one's focusing on it
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. let me ask you this me i mentioned earlier foreign fighters in the number of people who went into iraq in syria from around the world to fight a lot of those people have left to go to other war zones quote unquote but a lot of those also come home to denmark to the u.k. to the united states canada is there a threat posed by those people actually what we have we have a couple of hundred who came back and they are currently in jail in france and they do you know present a big stress. there are another couple of hundred who have currently detained under soon in syria mostly known as in syria and these people will have to be taken care of. for me people as a bigger risk at the moment is the people who have been prevented from joining and he says because these people had been arrested like
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a couple of years ago they had been arrested was very loot charges just for a project of travel and people are not disappointed about this because the people who are left as though. richen is all of them somehow disappointed by what they have experience with p.f. caliphate the posers those who have been arrested. there. and these people have a dream of a caliphate and they have been prevented from dining this dream and these people have a lot of rage do you believe there's a threat to western countries from quote unquote returning no i think it's not there. the. multiple reports in two thousand and sixteen after the return he attacks on. brussels and in paris there are continuous reports coming from the police as well as defectors that there are hundreds of people already they are in
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europe waiting for orders to take take take action now none of these guys have shown up in the last two years so that means either they didn't exist or they are there and they're just watching pornography needing pizza where are they going on to other pursuits so that it is time to show you are an entire book on the subject as us for several books several but the book of the blue which catches the imagination the phrase overblown what is pushing about a little bit what you said ok why would western governments want to overblow a terrorist threat why would they behave in an alarmist fashion to have a duty of care to their citizens is basically bottom up done a recent report of the cato institute on public opinion united states and its height when they asked people do you think isis presents a serious threat to the survival or existence of the united states seventy seven percent of the people who had been following this story said yes and fifty percent of that seventy seven percent said strongly feel that way so this is what happens
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if you're a politician you have to give in to the whims of the of the masses and so this money has been frittered away basically on a threat that basically in any reasonable sense assumed he doesn't exist overall and there has been the media pushing the whole story so that it used to be. if there was an attack the media would wait to ascertain what what the nature of the attack is now we start with the presumption of terrorism and then crawl it back when we find out that it isn't terrorism we find out so what do we find out if the why do we studies on terrorism don't use the word let me ask you this in iraq when you're on the ground in iraq which iraqis do they do they feel as if you know war i mean you mention the talk about you know people moving. do they feel as if they've been forgotten or ignored in some way in this whole debate about terrorism which is very western centric while it's as you say it is western centric i mean terrorism for iraq means something completely different or force here than it does to an american because if you want to talk about terrorist sort of numbers many iraqis
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and syrians have been killed it is a very real threat to the to their lives and to their say being livelihood and safety in their countries so but iraqis have to some extent they understand the threat there certainly the syrians are also happy that you know there's no longer this islamic state caliphate or iran iraq and more so i mean there is a sense of joy that we've gone over as i mentioned a dark part of the country's history but there's also a sense of disillusionment and a sense of fear that they've been here before me let me ask you this is there a danger that. over focusing on our soul we've lost track of other groups which also carry out all sorts of violence atrocities around the world john mentioned earlier you know in parts of africa and in kenya you've got al shabaab in nigeria you've got book or there are other groups in syria itself apart from most of the plenty of other violent and quote unquote extremist groups is there a danger that the focus of iceland whether it's up or down destructions from other
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violent actors in other parts of the world so there's two things the first is that with the focus on jihadi terrorism the united states and the government and all of its agencies have completely ignored the rise of the extreme right to demand their domestic terrorists that are perfect. rated so that in the statistics i gave you before of the sixty five attacks and twenty seventeen thirty seven were extremely right wing which are white the majority but also if you look at the pew and the a.c.l.u. and other data that's come out from new america foundation since nine eleven seventy one percent of the terrorist attacks have been from extreme right wing with twenty six percent being jihadi so we have over focused on one thing and ignore the other but there's a second part to it which draws from what you were saying about trump i worry about europe in the united states with the rise of this rhetoric anti immigration anti muslim anti immigrant rhetoric we are we are laying a foundation for people to be so alienated and outraged that when there is
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a i says two point zero or some new manifestation people will start to feel that what their message is it's resonating because they've been alienated and treated so badly we shouldn't do that to worry about i says to put not very much no i think it's the dying and unlikely to be revived even though uses course was not really it was really revived by incredibly bad polls in the milwaukee government in iraq going after sunni's and so forth you mentioned by the way earlier on about the issue about the americans helping of the west helping american foreign policy in the middle east has been an abject failure for this whole bloody century and the whole idea that they know how to do anything correct in iraq or any other countries including syria is ludicrous it seems to me so let me let's a little upon the guys who created the problem in two thousand and three to try to solve it is a literature so let me pick up on the before we finish and ask a broader question about the west as a whole is it fair to say that you all agree with the idea that the quote unquote
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war on terror how is it being a success because a lot of people in the street would say your cause is really a failure and yet you see government leaders doubling down on the same policies run out there first i think i mean it's a good point i think people are so. focused on the short term and they're so focused on the minute details of you know what's the organization who are the fighters how many are there numbers that they kind of lose truck at the greater picture right i mean even the question of is there going to be an i says to cornell it's the same organization as existed as i said for decades so it's there's a bit of sort termism that you see in governments especially in the west where you have different cycles and also and think tanks and others that leads us to not actually get the opportunity to sit back and reflect and say you know is this the right strategy nicholas do you feel you know that your message in from is well heard people in power are receptive to what you'll saying about terrorism. it's not
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obvious because there is of course some populistic pressure but i'm struggling to send this kind of messages and but i'm personally afraid not of an. zero but have an a as treated zero because for me is already the i and it's. because the original as was founded in two thousand and six and almost defeated four years later ok meir what do you think we've got this statistic that i came across. that in two thousand and one one in five conflicts in the middle east all of africa in the style of quote unquote violent extremist element today it's three out of four conflicts in that part of the world have a violent extremist element to the language of the report that's a dismal failure for governments across the world in terms of fighting quote unquote violent extremism is it not it is and the problem has been that because the american foreign policy has relied almost exclusively on military solutions that in
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many ways whether it's drones in pakistan or boots on the ground in iraq they have definitely exacerbated the situation and it is been almost the the flame for which all of the mosques have congregated and been attracted to areas. as to fight the americans that is a great rallying cry and the problem is going to be whether or not this kind of ideology continues to be the inspiring north star so we have to we have to be very . sang line about how we approach foreign policy but what we've seen in the last two years has certainly not helped moving the embassy was not a good idea to where the u.s. embassy and that was a terrible idea and so i think that this kind of approach is going to continue to cause other problems and reverberate throughout the middle east joe the final word to you you've written on this is you say for many years you've been trying to get your message through about the scale of the threat do you believe now that the fold in attacks in places like north america in the west from groups like i saw will
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help you get your message through to the public or to policymakers are you optimistic that people will now start to go you know what maybe we did that threat . and i doubt it and sort of very frustrated i've been trying a long time basing the media never talks about the statistics they never say there were more people killed by terrorists in the seventy's or eighty's and there are now that should be in every story they never see that there are six people killed per year and so the question is is it worth it so you can say that's a success it's only six it could be twelve is it worth spending a trillion dollars more than a trillion dollars of domestic homeland security in order to to reduce that number by that by that small amount on that note we'll have to leave it there joe mia nicholas thank you all for joining me on the show up front what we've got next week .
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odd i am. thirty five years we've had many proud moments around the world and in the sky i'm now starting from october twenty ninth churches share lines will be checking off from the new aviation center of the world for a new journey. obvious . in palestine under british rule. educated in america. a
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controversial professor in new york. he realized that he was the voice. of the people al-jazeera wild explores what made him an influential writer. and champion of the palestinian cause in the west and what's out of place. i am. glad. oh i maryam namazie in london just a quick look at the top stories now turkish investigators analyzing the phone calls and movements of the suspects in the case of murdered saudi journalist jamal
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khashoggi say the operation to kill him was planned twelve days in advance in the recordings a third voice is which security sources saying might be that of the saudi crown prince was an imbecile who has more on this from ankara. you have been talking about fourteen phone calls that optimism of three of the very close security guards of the crown prince mohamed the sound man had with some of the cattleya who is the private aid of the crown prince and according to the latest information by the turkish officials that we have been in touch one of the four form for form talks. during that one form talks there was a third person in the phone conversation when mostly it was talking about what happened during the day and how hard they managed the incident to sour their catherine while he was reporting it saw them catarina was heard to be transferring this information to someone else in the room and according to the officials that we
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have been in touch. have a strong belief that this so person and the voice recording and can be the crown prince mohammed at the march but i have to emphasize that technical analysis are being conducted in the now as haven't been concluded yet but in order to identify who's got the third voice last to thirty minutes of technical support from the united states now it is a concern of course now we haven't been able to confirm whether turks have already asked for an assistance from the u.s. side but of course if the technical analysis conclude that this so it was really belongs to mohamed bin some man as it is believed to be here probably u.s. president donald trump wouldn't be happy about that. well earlier turkey's foreign minister accused u.s. president onil trump of turning a blind eye to the matter of khashoggi. who also suggested the u.s.
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only wants to protect its own interests. job done there are a number of questions that have not been answered and the whole world wants answers to these questions the explanations given by mr trump saying i will turn a blind or whatever happens is only acceptable before everything else we have to remember that there was a life lost here and all the new suicide attackers have tried to storm the chinese consulate in the pakistani city of karachi three gunmen and at least two policemen were killed a separatist group the liberation army has claimed responsibility in a separate attack in northwest pakistan at least twenty five people including children were killed in an explosion in the crowded market in the iraq side district iraq recently merged with in one province after decades of direct rule from islamabad the news from yemen now the who feels have agreed to talks which could result in the united nations running the port of data the un special envoy
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martin griffiths made the announcement after speaking to the iran backed rebels bush is a vital lifeline for yemenis many of whom a starving due to a four year civil war saudi led coalition forces have been battling to retake the data for months a central african republic militia leader and politician has told the international criminal court that he was beaten and tortured after his arrest last month alford yeah khatam also known as rambo is appeared at the hague for war crimes it was a senior leader of the mostly christian movement is fighters attacked muslim seleka rebels in two thousand and thirteen record tom is accused of killing civilians rape and recruiting child soldiers he was arrested last month after a gun was fired in parliament during a dispute between him and another m.p. . the united arab emirates is considering an appeal for clemency by the family of a british student jailed for life for spying matthew hedges was arrested at dubai airport seven months ago when he was on
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a research trip to for his university thesis is family says he's been mistreated and was forced to sign a confession in arabic which he doesn't understand the u.s. ambassador to the u.k. has defended the judge's decision. as the headlines up next sikes pico lines in the sand mornings after that a bit later. in late one thousand nine hundred fifteen one world war one was being fought in the trenches of mainland europe. britain france and russia were allied against the central powers of germany austria-hungary and the ottomans. the war in europe was tagged meeting but britain urgently needed a strategy as to how to divide the ottoman empire with france should the allies be
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victorious. the prime minister turned to a young british politician called sir mark sykes who had cast himself as the government's advisor on the middle east. the ottoman empire is assailed by misfortune crippled by mary advices and the prey of alien greed ambition and timidity. englishman may have ideas but they are unable to take any steps to overturn the regime and free the people's interests power. by the third of january nineteenth sixteen he and the french lawyer turned diplomat . would have negotiated the terms of a secret agreement. in two words i foresee a particular taj which uses the local traditions and customs to establish different
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cuisines in the four provinces of super. lebanon and lebanon enlarged by an extension of beirut fully to becca. and serving as a model of what is necessary to achieve indigenous elements. and. these two men devise the plan that would not only divide the spoils of the declining autumn an empire between the two european powers but would draw lines in the sand that would ultimately influence the shape of the middle east for the next century.
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istanbul capital of an ottoman empire that had stood for six centuries. it spanned three continents of asia africa and europe. its peak had been in the sixteenth century. that the other says i shall. adopt the euro see more score that there was the how well. the better of me from. that. i look. at many fee. and then. some of them and i felt but i. feel.
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that they've been. well neka. a sinner. there lost money. per quarter a dollar a sin i can that there were a year to jobs. and. the. power war othella sadat i have this to hear from his own poor who are living with. his sorrow. a dollar of money you're deaf or those with money if you're a little off of so on through. from about a very. base of american health of the earth monique america. has an illusion and i can convey your could be
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a few. better with many of the. dots i'm an empire began receding in the nineteenth century. in eighteen thirty it lost algeria to france. while egypt gradually came under british rule which then expanded into the arabian peninsula. the arabs of mesopotamia greater syria and the. remains part of the ottoman empire which was undergoing its own changes. kind of person i shall bear that address or. that. cat. or democrat or you mentioned is at the root of many. lists more good or bad as alec fee. measures a third me when i'm a mostly. moderate and i live a lot of b.
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i lucked out a lot of the year mostly middle of no nor. in one thousand or eight the committee of union and progress. the young turks overthrew. second and restored the eight hundred seventy six constitution. this reduce tension at the top of autumn in politics but also created infighting among arab groups in the empire. more a new dictatorial. more. likely. to be home economy and. can call me can state them is. there really is that. if you can short. and so far.
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because the recent carefully remember the. so far i think there would. be more on that but it does because it would have. been the lead. toward the three key and no more american lot of b. you. know who are have been who are america's by nineteen fourteen you could really say that for those arabs who are engaged in identity politics what they aspired to was a better deal for the arabs within the ottoman empire this brand of politics is known as arab ism and arab east were really thinking in terms of imitating the austria-hungary pyar with a kind of arab turkish dual monarchy and the ottoman empire but were very concerned not to.


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