tv Inside Story 2019 Ep 88 Al Jazeera March 29, 2019 8:32pm-9:01pm +03
of course everything is allow a lot to do that and they share also some common ideology like this share this ideology of supremacy they share this on the olive cheer of as was mentioned before the question of women's rights of the right and so on so there is some coming growled so i would say that if the i did that terry movement now tries to distant itself from attacks like chris church that the tactical this that and they have technical differences but the ideology there are various that many similarities and michael bumble and how much has mainstream politics in europe played a part in fueling these movements because in the past they were often dismissed as as as kind of fringe groups with very small numbers and not really a threat but we're seeing a lot of this a lot of this narrative now being taken up by some mainstream parties fear of
immigration and so on. that's not a. i mean that's something that's happened quite a lot in the last few years how do we explain that. well. it seems that there are some far right parties which take the topic of migration forward there are political agenda they are also in government in some countries like in austria in hungary in poland but what we shouldn't forget while we are sitting here are people are dying in the mediterranean sea and it's the politics of the european union who is responsible for this mass killing and if all the major parties if the european union if the far right all then tell you that migration might be a problem and that you have to set up the border said the fences and have to accept
that people are dying in the sea then it's clear that those who are the most radical in that position will also gain some ground and legal sense he is there are you see a common thread here in in a lot of these movements in some of the rhetoric that we've heard from mainstream politicians like viktor orban for example one get hungary's prime minister he built a fence against the migrants in twenty fifteen and began calling himself a defender of of christian you europe there was this you know frenzied opposition to muslim immigration real or imaginary ads and this has been. something that's united along a lot of these populist right parties in germany and poland sweden italy throughout europe. yeah i think that the rhetoric here is extremely similar and what's concerning is if you look at the rhetoric and if you look at the tone and the
language being used in some of these manifestos speeches and even political campaigns there's not much difference and if you were to without knowing which which. words came from which speech it would be very difficult to determine whether it was a politician's speech or a manifesto from a terrorist there's a incident that comes to mind where there was due to speak last march in the u.k. and he was detained by british border authorities and tommy robinson gave his speech instead and if you read the text of that speech it is almost identical in the words the phrasing and the tone to both the christ church shooters manifesto to a manifesto written by a terror group in the united states that was prevented from bombing muslim community in kansas and the the language that we see coming out of political
leaders in hungary poland and even the united states. cynthia when we talk about trying to combat the rise of these. groups i mean in austria the government is talking about banning banning them altogether but is that is that really the solution especially when it brings up issues of free speech and so on i mean have we got every got this backwards does there need to be a greater effort to to to promote understanding. in or race yeah absolutely great question i think that you know what we know from banning in germany has the best is the best example of banning policies and i completely empathize and understand why the vans have been put in place on various symbols but you know you'll have schools that banned the number eighty eight because it stands for the eighth letter of the alphabet for age for al hitler and they don't want kids to display it and and kids start wearing t. shirts that say eighty seven plus one or hundred minus twelve i mean the banning
creates its own kind of coding that then gets around the bands and i think we're going to see that with the facebook banning right now is that they're not going to be able to ban and monitor. coded content so i think you know i'm not saying that we shouldn't ban or we shouldn't be monitoring and surveilling and relying on intelligence but that there's no world in which that's enough and i think that what we have to be looking for are much deeper preventative solutions that that that acknowledge what both emily and michael were just saying which is that this is not just a problem of the french that that it's not just a problem that the extreme that's gone more mainstream but it's a problem that the mainstream has moved toward the extreme and so we have to address that within the mainstream by reasserting what it means to live in an inclusive democracy and helping all young people but also across the life span understand how we are going to live together in a time of significantly change diversity. emily got a sense when you look at what happened with the with the alleged shooter in new
zealand this was a young man who claimed to have developed his own violent beliefs all by himself he went on the internet he traveled through europe he bought the weapons him self he hone his skills in a suburban shooting range no one there suspected that he was preparing a massacre so i guess my question is how do you how do you start i mean he wasn't on anyone's radar so how are you going to stop. something like this happening again . well i think that you we have to look at the modes of how these people are radicalized we know where these communities are we know the groups that they're chatting in we know the types of behaviors that they're embracing and it is difficult to to identify that the that shooter before because you don't know who it's going to be and that's sort of the whole point that's the this idea of leaderless resistance or stochastic terrorism that has been promoted by the far
right groups since the late one nine hundred seventy s. the idea here is that rather than having a commander or a cell or any sort of directed attack that the rhetoric is clear in what is necessary in their in their eyes for what types of violence what types of public activism needs to be done to spread their message and so there doesn't need to be a group you know selmer didn't i i have no reason to believe that he told tara to go and shoot up a mosque. but the rhetoric is clear and if you again read their words that they're saying they're elevating that that temperature of violence they're trying to form oppositional groups they're looking at muslims as an oppositional group they're looking at as an oppositional group and it becomes clear to these to these people when you immerse yourself in that culture. some percentage of them are going to
decide to act out violently and so in order to identify and stop those threats we have to figure out a way to lower that temperature. michael bond villain how much of a role has social media played. in fueling all of this i mean we have this announcement from facebook. that they were going to shut down all of these white nationalist groups and that's that's obviously something to be to be commended but the internet is is such a vast platform there's nothing to stop these groups from just going somewhere else . to to to have all of their discussions and so on so i mean it's an endless battle isn't it well of course that play some role like the group i did the terrorist movement they might have like two hundred activists in austria but they went first trial because they understood how social media works and of course others helped them like current austrian wife child kristen stalker from the freedom party she
shared her contributions spider i did to tarion movement facebook helping to make them strong but on the other ahead and this is lot of social media phenomenon alone like trauma not isn't also an artist in the night and so it is they had no facebook and no twitter and still they were able to rise so same before it was mentioned before this question of the lol of right wing terrorism there is some social base for them there is some base in society for them and that what gives them the possibility to gain successes and to get stronger and cynthia when you look at the rise of these. white extremist groups in the u.s. it's not something that just popped up in the last couple years it's it's clearly something when you look at the numbers it's clearly something that's been on the rise for quite some time yet we're only here batting it were only hearing about now
in in the last couple years why is that i mean is there a sense that the government just kind of took its eye off the ball in this. well i think that we know that these groups have been around obviously for some time there were traditional groups the k.k.k. the arion brotherhood in prisons we had the patriot militia that started after the vietnam war but those who were always regarded as french they had an aesthetic kind of appearance that made them come across as quite french and very clearly not part of the mainstream and i think what we've seen over the last couple of years is the . that these groups have both expanded their base and they also have cleaned up their static in a way that makes it difficult for people to recognize them and recognize their ideas are as violent and as extremist as they are and i think this gets back to that question of whether ideas can be violent and i think we're seeing that even groups that that a spouse nonviolence you know are expressing violent ideas that if followed through
to their logical conclusion have to result in violence and so that's i think where we're seeing a broadening of the base and more visibility and of course an amplification over social media and and those and the more violent acts that have occurred over the past few years so so there's a whole range of things happening but it is moved out of fringe groups into more mainstream broader base you know unquestionably there's no doubt about that. how incumbent is it upon the authorities to to do more to promote tomorrow promote awareness of these groups i'm not just talking about from a security point of view i'm talking about getting getting the wider public at large to be to be more aware of this. well i think that it's the place to start with that is with education and with improving access and knowledge to people of different cultures people of different backgrounds we see that that helps when
young people grow up in environments where they have greater access to a variety of cultural experiences and so i think that that's super important to start with that there is certainly some degree to which law enforcement needs to or could play a role and they have largely been neglectful of white nationalist groups and white supremacist violence particularly in the u.s. and western europe over time but i think that part of what we need to do is is to look at this idea of regulation verses. sort of leading people to come to these values on their own and if we. creep if we keep building a society where our schools are segregated where there is class divisions in terms of who has access to what types of experience and education that's really going to
continue to breed this sort of hate based movements you know we don't see that the people who are populating these these groups and these these activist circles they're not be what most people think they're not lower class generally they're middle class they're white and they have access to good education what they're not what they don't have access to is a wide range of cultural experiences and that is sort of brief leading to this shock that they have now that they're starting to see things like immigration into europe or into the americas all right we're going to leave it there thanks very much to all three of you michael bumba lots emily go sense cynthia miller ages thanks very much for being on inside story and thank you as always for watching remember you can see the program again any time just go to our website at www dot com and for more discussion there's a facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j.
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