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for the past twenty years i've been working on the question of political violence and terrorism it's persistence in our lives in our times in our societies begs the question why. could it be that the policies governments think will prevent violent extremism might actually be making things worse in the aftermath of the nine eleven attacks on the matter since two thousand and one you could visibly see that the world has been securitized a certain architecture of things has materialized literally there is a certain presence of the state security that has been increased. the militarized presence has really transformed the scene of the world around us. there has been new legislation that has increased powers of surveillance that have given more of an ability to shrink the privacy space for citizens around the world . news alerts all the time keeping the citizen on their toes
a certain friends jala g. of be careful observe with or if something that doesn't look right be kept out tactically generally a sense of fear from. the threat has been lessened has there been results in terms of addressing it and the paradox is that it has not quite the opposite so clearly something is not working. we must remember that the majority of political violence is not carried out in the name of any particular religion and certainly not only in the name of one in twenty seventeen here in the diverse london area finsbury park a man drove a value to the crowd leaving a mosque saying he wanted to kill all muslims but does the securitized response reflect this complex reality i've come to ask the young people here for their
experiences. i was search more than four or five times within two months i felt that i was i was came because of my color run and religion wise i was actually. search for tongues as well in underground as a so-called random searches which i didn't think it was a random search it was a norm in that time and still now i think that you expect every now and then to get a stop it's not nice. but every now and then it happens the narrative it has been going around for and such a long time if writing it when i see bearded man carrying a bag i get. suspecting that's a reality it's a sad reality you when you have internalized it become like i said if i am a person of muslim faith and i get like that i am the same what the other people might fear as well and if i don't think it's necessary it's the fault of the people is to responsible of the media we've done that people who often dorothy who put
this narrative out there bearded man or a man of certain color may cause harm this needs to change we are kind of like brainwashed to think that one. so that's the obsession with security just affect muslims or do others feel that they are suspects as well looking at post nine eleven and how you have been experiencing a lot of terrorism attack and so how did you live through those years and how do you look at how authorities have been dealing with this it was challenging because people's perspective of the minority group had already been made up and their mindset towards people of color he both faith people from about kwame really didn't understand it was the fear of the unknown and we suffered from the collateral damage of that what's now expected of minorities after these events i feel like they're expected above and beyond decency in
a sense to not be perceived as nuisance or minutes or any of these things i think it's quite devastating in how. we're automatically labeled with doing so. and that's who it is based on person's actions is not the best example for the younger generation and if they have to walk around in fifth thinking of cause i look at this automatically i'm going to treat it like this it will be like this in the future or not how people leave food and our race gender or religion you will it doesn't have to always be like the more you are probably to be if you are so is its core certainly from for me it's. living in this traumatized society everybody's living in fear of being judged being pointed at big keys being isolated how can we now face tomorrow knowing this is what people think of us while the british government claims to celebrate diversity many feel that their main
policy against violent extremism reinforces these attitudes. given the right continue. to. represent terrorism. terrorism and. the three. just. prevent sponsored governments contest strategy which the counterterrorism initiative at fictious for example to identify signs that somebody might be vulnerable to radicalization extremism in lectures might be looking for a change in behavior a change in social groups that young people are parts of mood for example it might be that people might sound more aggressive they might. say it's like in something from a far right websites or it's the repeating nots. paper hops
a change in dress and suddenly an increase logy else it's a top three of definition of the lessons indeed absolutely. my son ten six a police officer from her via. a lot of questions about his arabic teacher and what he was learning in. iran in my child timing to me like. why is he asked me the same question again and again. i didn't know my rights i felt like there was this big doll hole i fell into knowing because i sent my son to school. we've documented nearly five hundred cases
of individuals impacted by prevent today these cases demonstrate both and islamophobia framework operates within the policy but also we have now seen how the policy has created a collective trauma to the community including children so it's innocence the policy has created what is supposed to be fighting essentially you have to distance yourself from your family you just feel more and more isolated day by day there was just you share your constant fear you have to do it alone whether it's teachers or doctors your social workers anybody you have this mistrust of everybody because you don't know anymore who to trust and you don't know what will happen to your children if you go to a doctor or if they will report you to someone. it's
very interesting to see that which george orwell was wired to go out decades ago has in effect now materialized. and speaks a certain language of authority he speaks. certain language of demonization certain groups are racialized a certain approach to discrimination there is a name. growing up since nine eleven this generation starts from a completely different perspective than other generations would have had one where it starts from a point of view of fear of a certain vulnerability of having to prove itself almost being paranoid all the time this very sense of uncertainty but also of a certain vulnerability. to find out how this might affect young people psychologically i've come to meet the verge antrobus a psychologist who deals with marginalized young people. threat is the number worn
through password really you know we're told it's everywhere we're told we're supposed to be highly suspicious of everybody and everything and i think it has a real impact on one sense of self as we know children are incredibly receptive and perceptive you know if a think that all star of our or even mental health professionals are screening them that starts to really fragment the way in which you can have a relationship with a young person and yet today we have kids sitting in a class and feeling that they are in a policing system and the impact is you don't belong here you don't fit for a child who's developing and trying to find a way of being in the world that's a huge. sort of rebuff and i think that what i've seen then happens is that the narrative grows of everybody feeling that's difficult but this child suddenly children and then find themselves excluded not in mainstream school there in people
refer units young people that i've worked with can find themselves there and really have a struggle you know internally about is this me is this is this the person i am well actually yes people are telling them it is. and then i think there is this sort of gathering momentum for many of the old to join gangs to join to join because because that's the trajectory and it's very difficult to resist. being labeled threats leads in many ways if the person is not a threat and if they are innocent to a sense of injustice many reports show that injustice and out of your nation are factors in making people susceptible to the appeal from groups like islamic states who have found ways to turn the west glamorization of violence against itself.
you go see a mission impossible type of movie or a homeland type of t.v. series where this is all staged and presented as the logical normal narrative of the new world we live in. the paradox of the imagery as it is literally downloaded on these youth is that it becomes internalized the look at it the process it. themselves tend to sometimes have to find ways to act in the video games for hours . and then many of those ending say in the military of the united states on forces and in effect replaying those very techniques through the drones that they will send to kill a young man. a hill somewhere in pakistan. you'll be a little hollow to who sold it to me those are the one of the key innovations of the islamic state was its platform the videos that they have upgraded to
a much much more different level of sophistication of quality. in effect a certain entertainment driven hollywoodized video games. kind of approach which we hadn't seen. pacifically when it comes to the group from the western world i think it was kind of a perfect storm of the manner in which an entity like the state spoke was very special. and they spoke directly to that there's many many videos by isis saying to these communities you know what kinds of lives are you need there are you happy that wanted to come here what did you do that. for a call for love enough for me let me clearly. they speak to vulnerabilities they speak to a sense of identities and development they speak to them in connecting it with the realities of discrimination that they're going through.
and do i think there are a lot of issues conflated here so so the first is this idea that you know the muslim community is being spied on frankly most of these cases that we've seen the court cases have been young man whether we like it or not they are the majority of people who are being attracted to these you know narratives that are coming out many would dispute that maybe but i'm just telling you what i've seen in the research that are done of over three hundred court cases the majority of them have been very young and they've been made and they've tended to work in networks so they will tend to know each other as well today a young muslim male around the world particularly in europe north america feels a certain stigmatization this is a fact we've had conversations with educators addressing that and feeling that
that's precisely the trigger factor i think it does a great disservice to the same people from the same community the same religion same background who don't use those grievances as a way to then declare. whenever you see people going far away to kind of unleashed this violence or join causes that seem important to them let's say for instance people leaving france to go to the levant and join islamic state what's interesting we find is that there's constantly a reflection about the dimension back home how to go back to that society and punish it. this is a group of people that left went to syria but yet what was seen the mustard lehi on
their mind was to pitch an attack where they would ship back that on to that society which is their society where they will with which you have grievances. i think it went beyond their wildest dreams in the sense that it became something of a moment of global it's in that sense that it's important what that the kingdom must say or in minneapolis see into that that led them to go and join this it has inevitably points about how they consider themselves you need to reject. now down your t.v. says what you read about the persian emotions from the east the west. just how those. why it wouldn't. matter to the nine.
one. and. if one wants to be honest you have to see the relationship with intervention is influence and that played out and seizing me for the past couple of decades you know these operation that took place in iraq and in syria and the sun held in libya . you cannot see that these actors simply come on the basis of this ideology which is apocalyptic and ignore the fact that in many cases they are linked to these conflicts and led to this generation that had basically violence as a way of life. eat eat eat eat eat eat eat was just.
the narrative has been so semantics that this is basically all about religion and islam and these guys are coming from there to attack the western world and these people are totally irrational removing the politics out of that removing the history removing the colonial imprint rewarding the foreign policy the interventionism extracting all of that and they think this as a set of extra terrestrials descending from the sky because if you have a society. whether it's a mule nato or the united nations a need for these top policymakers that are working on the xining these counterterrorism policies and engaging with them. the difficult thing is to have go
beyond that which is familiar to them. particularly problematic is the cultural reading to understand western terrorist of the one nine hundred seventy s. such as bottom line off in germany or the italian red brigades one is invited to examine the societal conditions of say post-war germany and italy and their relationship with their rebellious you rightly so to make sense of al-qaeda in the islamic state one is to read. so clearly what we have right then and there is one yardstick social to understand one type of violence and one yardstick religious to understand something else that in fact may not be that if. the paradox in these policy circles is that all these professionals produce detailed reports that identify the causes of extremism as things like poverty lack of opportunity in a sense of alienation and yet the policies that get implemented always emphasized
policing surveillance and punishment. racism itself sits and question at the heart of this discussion on isis with the violence being that the european and the american consider exceptional inacceptable not because of what it's doing obviously terroristic and violent but because of the woman there is target. i. like on just short. in a clear. position now between what's next on the t.v. i can tell you that there isn't a spot isn't in my the ability. sorbet illusion is. on the fringe just from the demand concert. plans from all offended just know how you hear me on he spat upon see the phenomenon the. dish unusual dream
kid on for the. second question bob barr says something awful from the units here. and many young people have reacted with violence as the position of a stereotype in many countries means that they face lives with fewer opportunities than their parents. and. indeed. one of the strong narratives in the western world about these faraway places is that they really literally waiting to come and then we shall violence that is already there. in many ways it's actually insulting to these parts of the global
south where the youth themselves these largely very normal lives and their frustrations are of a different nature. of the front porch because of. a lot of. it will have been some blokey. of opportunity. and shooting and then the work of the difficulties to do that because you should look at this is it wouldn't matter if you do. let me stop the action that
but we need to reflect on now is where are we going into this new blade runner ish world of violence what do you do when at the end of the day you have a technique of terrorism of killing ramming a car or a van into a population indiscriminately that is used equally by people on the islamophobia side for instance the finsbury park attack equally by people on the western a phobic side as we've seen in it's literally the same technique. clearly this is less and less about ideology it is the return to the west of the violence that has shipped the world and the next phase of this is already playing as we see more
attacks on the west by westerners themselves. we have to really accept the fact that there is nothing inevitable in all of this is the fatalistic disposition that this is it this is the new world you know that's walled by those things that have to do with authority and it's been societies that generate violence in the midst have to be stopped them up for ties and power those things have to do with interventions and foreign policy conflicts have to be addressed stop going there stop doing that. free education for all was the promise the reality provoked a generation. of birth to drugs another block to wasn't all that thank god how a protest over education feeds. more international results but
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