tv Inside Story 2019 Ep 130 Al Jazeera May 10, 2019 8:32pm-9:01pm +03
news is more aggressive about bringing prosecutions but to say that there is no evidence of intellectual property that they're being the facts show otherwise and similarly an important issue for us companies in the u.s. government in huge trade talks is what's often called forced technology transfer now the reality is is that american companies in the technology space to do business in china are often have no choice but to work with the chinese partner and again this is something that the u.s. government is trying to address but to say that there's no evidence that the playing field is in level or that there isn't cheating going on by the chinese corporate world or the government and the factions don't show that this show otherwise can you give us an example ross of what you're talking about a concrete example well that if there are be besides the number of prosecutions which are well documented it is an ongoing problem but there are rules in china that require a foreign partner to have a chinese partner or the american company or european companies or other
nationalities they cannot do certain types of business on their own with china in china they're required to have a chinese company as a partner so their option is take on a partner or they're unable to enter the market and certainly from an american or european perspective this is not a level playing field and it is really meant to ensure the chinese companies have the upper hand and that they can acquire technology from foreign companies done up in beijing i want to bring you in the head like a lot of pain if i may. let me let me also corset let me bring in diane i was just going to add a small point. let me bring in here from beijing done you've heard what the other two guests have had to say a lot of this seems to be about technology technology transfer and what the americans are calling technology fixed china is about to move up in sectors it's about to move into the tech world and that seems to be what's driving this is china
stealing technology. well. i'm in no intention to defend a lot of practice is the chinese government does it does give unfair comparative advantage to a lot of state owned enterprises but in terms of stealing technology i think there are different interpretation of it because if we're talking about protecting the domestic industry this is an industrial policy than many countries have adopted in their earlier stage of development so we're talking about development policies here you can just open up the market say like the south african one nine hundred eighty s. because before your you have industrial base opening up the market to foreign investors there's bluntly will cause very devastating results because then you will pretty much from lose all your industrial adventure advantage that you could have had because those domestic industry needs some time to grow and for those foreign
competitors for investors i think it's fair to say that they use technology in exchange to in exchange to get access into the chinese market and it is fair play. i know in beijing interesting point that you protect markets in the infancy you develop them but this chinese market isn't in its infancy this is we're talking forty years on now so maybe it is time to have a level playing field will maybe it's time to do a new deal with the us. well i don't know if a new deal with the u.s. on the current terms is in the cards but yes i would agree that china for its own benefit needs to open up and they're doing that exactly i mean the belton road initiative is not contrary to public opinion u.s. international media opinion something that's the fairest aimed at trying to subvert
countries into a debt trap it's simply the only current economic plan to increase basically what would be w t t o two point zero and that means physical connectivity in addition to the idea that you have these trade alignments so you know i noticed my colleague did not was not able mr fine go was not able to point to any specific advantages talking about numerous prosecutions. this is the narrative that china is facing i mean whether you agree or not with this idea that china has is a developing country that is trying to protect its interests reason grow much as the u.s. was back in the late eighteenth hundreds when it was battling europe as a new entry into the economic sphere and used to routinely dismantle. looms in great britain and then ship them overnight to the us in order to break the
monopolies that the british had especially on woven goods these are things that happen in the comics but china all right and i'd like to hear from mr fine gold on this has been observant of the w t o this idea that china has been a you know a routine lawless entity and roaming the world and doing not a bang any laws is nonsense every time they have been ruled against at the w t o they have complied and that is more than the u.s. can claim russ feingold your response. well we have to be careful about mixing different issues a dispute over the built in road initiative and whether or not it's nefarious or creates a debt trap for the countries that participate in it is also very much a political question or international security question that's not really what's on the table in discussions about market access in china or protection of intellectual property but to get on the intellectual property issue the number of prosecutions
the ongoing ones some of which are very high profile including the the one that gets a lot of media attention so she swallowed a which is accused of stealing intellectual property you know it's so good to say that there's no evidence of an attic that's not accurate but you to say that china could complies with the rules in some situations again that that is not the heart of the dispute or what the united states or europe are trying it in their negotiations and if they're trying to address market access issues i want to bring you in the head again a guest in beijing are not saying and said that yes it is probably time for a new deal to be made but this one that the u.s. is currently offering all that the u.s. and china are currently trying to negotiate isn't the right deal what do you think is the right deal. because this is true the war or trade tension was
started by the us if we think about what happened two years ago it was where they threw away mastication and that was in terms of calling china a thief. for intellectual property and its lack of production of ip and to be fair over the past one year we have seen china strengthening its ip protection and also widen its market access so now it looks like the new deal with that the us very much one wants to achieve is for china to do more industrial policy change and this is something that actually exactly the thing that china cannot budge because we all know that the u.s. want china to do to go with the market economy this line and then to become more democratic over over time but for china it is a very different political system and has a very different social climate from the u.s. so by just a simpler introducing those market based or rules doesn't the really guarantee us
the first past the market economy that the u.s. has been drawing so i thing for china to defend its baseline of protecting its domestic industry there's a lot of justification justification to that but in terms of opening more of a domestic market i do think more outside pressure is good for china because from tweets if it's accurate it is actually a reflection of the lack of consensus on the china's top leadership over how much to compromise and what aspect of china should compromise and opening up what what area and how much of the domestic market is the sticking point and i think the more china opens in a faster it does it actually is more beneficial to his future economy russ feingold in taipei this is something that i hate quite a lot and i've been speaking to people about this there is a deal to be done with china. but this isn't one because this is simply fall too aggressive and it's too much for the time for the chinese to actually do and the
time frame the you would like to give them all you being too aggressive is your administration the best trumpet ministration beings who have said well the two sides been talking for over two years so it's certainly likely or that they want a deal president trump wants a deal yes domestic constituencies that very much want him to reach a deal most notably the agriculture x. borders but if they ask for too much then obviously the chinese side is going to walk away one thing we've learned over the last few years is that the governments and specifically the two leaders they seem to be have a certain risk appetite and i think as analysts are the public we often underestimate their risk tolerance for prolonging this dispute until they get the deal that they want. not tangan what happens if china walks away from any hope for the u.s. what happens then. well first off china isn't walking away they're the ones who
have gone to washington with one hundred man team in order to try to figure this thing out and that is after a very aggressive move by donald trump now let's look at this step back a second i mean this is the second time that we've seen donald trump throw something on the table he did it in with young kim and say you know give me everything and then saying oh we broke the deal because he didn't give me everything i mean this is a very standard practice for him now let's step back even further here you have the most powerful political economic and military nation on earth a nation who has enjoyed part of you know the sixty six percent of the entire world profits over the last thirty years but yet over the last fifteen years. you know the population the middle class population has actually declined ninety percent of the united states is experience minus point four percent drop in real income now they're coming out donald trump leading the charge saying somehow we've been
a victim that's we've been taken advantage of well and they're blaming the people the eighty six percent of the rest of the world who received one third of the world's profits over this period of time yet whose middle classes boomed and saying that somehow they are at fault the issue here is the inequality in the inability of western nations europe and america to distribute their income in a way which benefits society so you have a lot of anger but it's misplaced anger and you have populists like donald trump who are trying to aim that at the rising nations like china ross i want to bring you in half and type a we all running out of time so but i do want to bring you in very quickly is this trump distracting from domestic issues as a guest in beijing seems to be saying. well the president. has been very
good at controlling the narrative when it comes to trade disputes and frankly he's been very good at isolating it from other domestic issues obviously the miller investigation has just concluded there's still a lot of action by democrats in that regard but democrats actually are very supportive of first person who trumps trade policy so you know it's not a situation where he's trying to distract this is something that's american companies in beijing i want to ask you are you confident that ideal can be done between these two very powerful economic countries. i'll be very surprised if there is no deal even if it's a very limited d.-o. it will be good for both sides and these the before to coming out that's something that donald trump can tell his voters it's because if you work out a magic and for china's side if there is no deal in the short term as economic performance will be suffered by a lot mainly through the lack of confidence in consumption any investment and also
for twenty one thing it's g.d.p. growth probably will slow down a lot if there is no deal so the stakes are high well let me thank all of guests an incredibly interesting discussion than one russ feingold and a note saying and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting a website which is their adult call and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story and you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. inside story for me and the whole team here and i.
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