tv Inside Story 2019 Ep 143 Al Jazeera May 23, 2019 8:32pm-9:00pm +03
also is going not a ban about banning its companies from even installing hallway networking equipment new poor back together is how a basically out of the u.s. market well if washington continues with its policy the way it's been. to what china yes i think one way is essentially out of the u.s. market not just the u.s. market but many european markets i mean it is true people don't want to change you have an i phone you want to go to an n.p.r. like evan and i want to go to ny file and you certainly don't want to switch over to a larger system people buy our way phones i believe because of the price not because. it out they they like it's a pretty system because it doesn't happen it keeps western technology do you think the u.s. will continue with this approach or is this just perhaps
a tactical maneuver in trade negotiations what do you think robert. well i think we really have crossed a watershed in. the development of our relations with ship with china i think there's a growing interest not just in the u.s. government but amongst many u.s. companies and stepping back from engagement with china is a recognition that the way its government interacts with and supports. companies like wall way. represents a growing threat to the united states not only on a technological basis for example we talk mostly about phones but because bigger question is what the use of what way networking in the development of 5 g. networks in the u.s. and around the world i think that's really a major threat so i think there is
a growing recognition that we really need to step back and disengage and reduce our reliance on these chinese companies and this is true not just for awhile way we saw it last year in the debate with the chinese. phone companies e.t.e. there's a currently a big debate about in the u.s. about. involvement with the chinese rail car company which has provided rail cars to los angeles and chicago and philadelphia and this great against concerns that the use of these rail cars represents a security threat to consumers who be writing in them with their phones so i think there's really a growing recognition that there's a systemic problem here that we need to step back from. max no doubt some of our ways rivals can have a field day with this is going to reshape the market and who stands to gain well wu want to see how things will develop because at the moment like you just mentioned
earlier there's a 90 days temporally supply that will continue i think the decision google has taken even if it's withdrawn later you know during negotiations or anything like this i think while we got the message that they need to develop their own system they need to develop their own apps. and like i said before it is going to be a challenging task for them in the short term future for their users following what do you make of the suggestion that as fierce as the bans in restrictions not now the u.s. might just lift them or who are just as it did before on t.v. they did not let everything what they did was to put in a lot of conditions for its operation i mean for instance they've even got an american reporter to be sure that you know they're watching everything that's been
done they change the entire management so what the this plant lines have been focusing on is oh he got good or true well actually it's a little bit less than that do you see that sort of scenario potentially playing out here pauline that perhaps some conditions are put in place in why ways welcome back into the american market. and i can really see i mean basically the question of why our way isn't i mean are there. you know are they spine can we prove that this is why the question is do they have the means motive and opportunity if your country and china. law will go our way had the means motive and opportunity to do you have are and i think the answer is
washington in the present climate is a big yes talking about washington let's go back then to robert and say let's not forget some of these bans the restrictions are obviously going to hurt american companies right which are they going to see some of their sales drop i think we already saw the share price of some of these companies on monday like broadcom and qualcomm drop. there's going to be some suffering on the u.s. side right. there's no question and i think that's the other side of the politics here that the suppliers are got may push back against these restrictions i think that's part of the reason why as e.t.e. was eventually let off the hook and it was it was allowed to settle complaints in that case but the 2 cases are really fundamentally different in the earlier case with the z. t e. the major complaint there was was fraud and that they had violated u.s. restrictions on trade with north korea and iran and they were able to put in place
the controls within the company to make sure that problem was not repeated here we're talking about fundamental security threats as as we've been discussing in terms of creating back doors that would expose the u.s. to to ready to harm. as a result of china's security system having access to. to secrets from both the government and the private sector so it's a tradeoff yes in the short run we're going to lose sales to while away but in the long run there are going to be replacements for that equipment that are going to be developed here in other countries so new markets will develop so i think it's a transitional problem for us suppliers max from a pot security perspective how unique of the shall we say national security concerns to while away compared to any of its competitors old or alternative
systems. i think the main concern from a national security point of view is the technical ability for weiwei to. to install back doors or have ways to access information or there is also a growing concern that if huawei wants to install like kill switch to to shut down the network. that could be boss a bill from a technical point of view it is possible now whether while we do it that that's a completely different issue but do we know max have any are other alternatives than sort of life forms special who have the exact same features or backdoor skills which is i mean how much do we really know about what's going on not only with y. way but with the competition well it's goes back to
a trust issue i think the the main issue with weiwei is there are links broadly to the ready chinese state with other companies because they regard themselves as private companies they don't have government so links so they are more trusted they come across more reliable in the market because they are more about computer sharing more about providing a good service to their customers and they operate on an international level as i said before they are trusted they've been tested before. so that's why they are there is more tendency to trust these providers in comparison to why we lately. pauline how much concern do you think there is into art let me give robert chance going you want to get in on this one go ahead robert. i just want to stress the
broader point i think the difference between chinese companies like wall way and say a company like apple in the united states which has had its own security problems is that in china you have the role of the state as we've been discussing you've got a big problem with state owned enterprises and beyond that you have the involvement of the chinese army and other chinese military services directly and indirectly in these companies sometimes it's. in a public way some more often it's not and i think that's really where the core security concern right i live is that there is a different way of operating in china right right pauline is that how much concern is there in china that opus had been that this is really part of a trade war if it's not resolved well maybe other chinese companies might be targeted lenovo open and so on so forth oh i think there is a great deal of concern that this is just the start. list
of companies that might be put on the planet so that's why christensen in pink has been making visits. this week to read factions in places like that to say we do have 3 tele options. so yes china is very concerned what kind of retaliatory options does china have at this point. well it seems to be basically 2 that are cost effective $1.00 is as i said because china has effectively cornered the market. on rare earths and the current that people don't seem to think about is the market of one point full. 1000000000 people and with that sort of market you can capitalist companies really want each other quite of them so it dangle
a bit of carrots and you hope that there will be a lot of companies. love me washington on your behalf robert 2020 lections not too far away how far do you think the u.s. president wants to see but i guess you could say u.s. companies and consumers suffering. well i think that's a really a big question you know it terms of the chinese market it's it's still for us producers for production estates is a relatively unimportant we export about $100000000000.00 a year to china we know where the goods most of its raw materials that they need to make things work for back to us we import about $500000000000.00 worth so as a $5.00 to $1.00 ratio there china as a market is more important to companies like g.m. it's selling cars they're making profits there that they cars that they make in china but in terms of the production in the u.s.
it really doesn't register very much the question is what does trump going to do about this is he going to cut a deal are all these threats really just designed to generate some kind of press release that he can announce or is he think for his 2020 campaign he's going to be better served by having an active. in economic sense a shooting war by having tariffs across the board in place is that going to be a symbol to his voters that he's really doing something about our trade problems i for one think. the bigger question is has he actually achieved anything with these policies yes it's a good idea to address the security concern but has he addressed fundamental concerns such as the the overvaluation of the u.s. dollar and you promise to do he has done nothing about that today i guess time will callus been fascinating and it's been fascinating discussing this with you thank all of our guests at this point full of this discussion robert scott pauline loan
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