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tv   The Stream 2019 Ep 83  Al Jazeera  May 24, 2019 5:32pm-6:01pm +03

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very quickly he was sweeps by a team of police offices they demanded to know why he had deads to cover his face they just wanted his id they really riled him and he was about aggravated busy and they gave him a fine and this is sent chills across british society actually has been the clip of what happened is that millions of times online and i think people are now starting to wake up to what's happening in the u.k. with this technology and become outraged about it this trot so-called trial by the piece has been going on for 4 years now and we've been campaigning and was still campaigning for it to come to an it because this is incredibly undemocratic democratic it's incredibly on british to see a muscle pain instal like this writing people's civil liberties and maybe changing the nature of sense of society and freedom in the u.k. you know matt it's interesting we've outlined some of the dangers and you know a lot of people who are watching live on you tube right now are agreeing with you
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and also you know pointing to other things emery for example saying i think the technology on its own isn't the danger thing is it's the intent of the people who are using it it could vastly improve our lives or turn our countries into police states i just want to scroll down a little bit in this you tube chat he also goes on to say the same time the riches of silicon valley who are developing all these technologies are forbidding their own kids from using it so i think this is a sign that these technologies should be regulated your thoughts on that. yes so 2 points 1st. these systems once they're built and deployed the harm will be we will be able to reign the harm and that's exactly unfortunately what we've started to see him places like china history of surveillance histories around the united states and in other nations is a history of surveillance technologies being turned against people of color against activists and against immigrants we can fully expect governments to do the same
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with a surveillance technology and that's exactly why a coalition in sarah cisco not just of people who understand technology but 25 different organizations ranging from or exact represent immigrants rights to some racial justice to the homeless to even criminal defendants a diverse coalition is what came together here and said all of our lives depend on the freedom to walk down the street safely without being tracked all of our lives depend on the freedom to not be logged into a government database because we're advocating for our own rights in this democratic society and so while census those leaders recognize that here in the heart of technology they need to play safeguards in place for new dangerous technologies what really drove this was the community and a diverse community and that sort of movement i think is really important point that is possible everywhere that is not just something that can happen here is there cisco and we're already seeing the domino effect places here in california but also across the united states are considering similar similar bans lending and
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i think the idea and terms of you know potentially until it if our police saying is that perhaps there could be a way if the technology were accurate enough and if there were enough incidents sort of how these algorithms work and how decisions are being made in a really granular way at each stage that it might be possible to set limits on how you can sort of query one of these databases or years one of these services so you so police are able to sort of get their match or get their thing that they need without the cascading effect. but because as matt said once the systems are set up they're there and they're persistent it's difficult to know how to set those parameters and i think that's why i was the advocates are calling for this sort of pause you know particularly within the u.s. this week but in general because there needs to be some time sort of societal as
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a global community to discuss how the u.s. restrictions might be possible if there are possible so you you mentioned something that happened this week and so i want to let our audience in on it's on wednesday the house oversight and reform committee in the u.s. how the 1st hearing on recognition technology to examine the impact on civil rights and civil liberties i want you to have a listen to the founder of the organization algorithmic justice league and she's speaking to congress about the systems and this in this clip in particular caught on c.-span here in the u.s. she's speaking to a representative of the standard. take a look at this tweet and britain now the exchange here because it's so interesting a.l.c. starts with our algorithms most effective on women some going to scroll down and have you listen to a little part of that. we need i heard your opening statement and we saw that these algorithms are effective to different degrees so are the most effective on
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women know are they most effective on people of color absolutely not are they most effective on people of different gender expression no in fact they exclude them so what different graphic is it mostly effective on white men and who are the primary engineers and designers of these algorithms definitely white men so so folks here outside of the u.s. where you can see what it is the discussion is and that's happening in the u.s. what do you make of this in these systems and the inherent bias is that some would say a built in. it's a big problem and it needs to be really carefully examined we need absent of concerns in the u.k. but we have pressured the pace to do some independent testing of the algorithms they're using in using a japanese company would any see. and we've asked if they understand what ice is like be inherent in the technology. and they have said basically that that that
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they're not interested but there's also issues with what kind of what shifts of being put together as well so when we 1st saw this technology being used that looking hill carnival which is a black british celebration in london. and that's what this surveillance you know it was that community that we used as guinea pigs for the surveillance 2 years in a right which is just just incredible so you know it was a matter of not only how biased. the people the lisa talking with it but i also think that some of the technology issues are right and i share other guests actually the better this becomes the more perfect tool for oppression it becomes as well you know most definitely and you know it's worth mentioning that you know i have a gauge of kind of how much our audience is responding to each show that we do here at the stream and this one has tons of twitter threads and tons of comments on you
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tube so i think you know it's generally something that a lot of people are concerned about wondering how many of the questions are left unanswered very quickly want to share history with you before we move on to our next portion of the show an organic african feminist saying what worries me the most is that we're asking what can we do a question about developing new technologies rather than also asking why are we doing this and what is motivating us to do this not asking the latter enables the facade of value neutrality that goes on into a very lengthy you know thread that you can check out on twitter of course for now though let's dive a little deeper into this conversation let's look at how the chinese government is using a sophisticated facial recognition network to track its own citizens with a focus on the minority weaker muslim community take a listen to this comment sent to us by cindy you a past guest on the show. chinas you sufficient ignition technology fits into why do you know if it's a 10 to rollout a nationwide criticism whereby every system is rated on i trust that you miss based
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on information from a data and you guessed it facial recognition in changing that already seen this way change will kiss up being recognized by cameras as they cross the road and then identity is displayed on big opals across the rage in china's proud coach at this sort of public shaming can be very effective. when you're hear that from from her there i mean in china's contacts is there a particular fear or is that are they taking this a step further i mean what can you how many can time contextualize that for our audience. china should really serve as a lesson and instructive lesson of what the united states and other nations and frankly what the chinese chinese government should avoid one of the stories on the chinese use of this focus time mosque that previously years before before face surveillance had been bustling at prayer hours and now that mosque is to desolate and deserted this just illustrates very clearly that showing a fact that happens when people know that going outside means having your face
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scanned your name logged into a government database and maybe your identity placed on a watch list for government agents but we would be fooling ourselves if we didn't think that the united states government had a history of turning surveillance technologies against these kinds of communities we have seen it with everything from license plate readers which scan vehicles to social media surveillance that the people who are disproportionately targeted by american governments and local and federal governments are people of color they are immigrants and we've seen black lives matter tracked and we're seen ice the immigration and customs enforcement agency deployed these similar kind of tools right now so it's really important and that's what is really important to act and defend ourselves right now and that's exactly what san francisco and now a domino effect of communities are going to do with this particularly dangerous technology. while some of the same in the u.k. i mean i just i just want to point out that even in the trial phase any day of
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peace have been using facial recognition against peace activists. the most dangerous people. and people with mental health problems as well so we haven't even seen you know this of all towards wealth or as heroin is and by the time i mean the stop point and the end point because technology is really just stepping in nature i think late. yeah i also think that china is a really important example in terms of. thinking about whether or not what we know about their system is true it's not that i particularly doubt that they could develop but you know this sort of mass scale ubiquitous recognition i think it's probably all true but the source on it is the chinese government and the source on you know their ability to spot someone c in a crowd of 50000 people at a concert or something all those sort of triumphs that they discuss and you know
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this type of footage that you're seeing on the screen and this is really all coming from them with not a lot of you know moving or independent audit and going on so one of the dangers you have is if the system isn't as robust or isn't as accurate as they say maybe someone who wasn't even jaywalking gets put up on the billboard and gets publicly shamed and that type of thing would be really difficult to bring to light so just again it shows the potential dangers either way whether a system is working as intended or not you know there are still big ramifications i think what's interesting is the idea of opting in and opting out and when you don't have that opportunity to opt in so i want you to take a look at this tweet is circulating online our producers found this before the show this is matthew brennan who tweets wow china airport face recognition systems to help you check your flight status and find the way to your gate note i did not imply anything it accurately identified my full flight information from my face
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that is pretty creepy to me it's eerie though i could see the argument that it makes things efficient but i want you to have a listen to a clip from 27000 that shows another side of this and it lucian who worked as the head of an aid station in shanghai explains how facial recognition software can help regular passers by on the street. that's a good thing if we think running this facial recognition system has reduced the time needed to do searches lighten the workload of our stuff and made our searches more efficient that lets us help people faster when they are unsure about their identity and helps us as much as we can to find their relatives and. so when it comes to talking about dementia patients are people who are outside the last basal recognition some would say well it can help and that silky what's your take on the beneficial uses and the opting in but but but not having a choice to opt in. i mean it it might be that there are some beneficial
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uses i just haven't seen them yet and inherently. why one particular issue is that is the inherent risks with life facial recognition in which there is no consent and that is inherently a mass so they eventually amass identifying tools when you have a one to one face comparison will cause there's a whole host of things that can be useful for all but we must go play that with life facial recognition whereby thousands of people can be identified at any one time. very quickly just wanted to throw this comment in there i'm always dumbfounded personally when people say this but ryszard t.w. saying due to the large population in china i think it's necessary since it easily reduces crime and perhaps the majority of the chinese population accept said watching over me is fine unless otherwise i'm a criminal which will make me hate the system but we will be watching that's all the time we have for today things are gas. only we can keep this conversation going
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boy is changing demographics across asia with far reaching consequences for creating a pool of socially disadvantaged young men so you have the system where people at every level will be good at being given body money to agree distro zation our money to get other people to be the sterilisation how does their examines the politics of population control. british prime minister teresa mayes expected to announce her resignation this hour after every fold over her latest rex it. will be live in london in just a moment i'm fully back to go this is also coming up there and right modi is said to be reelected as india's prime minister after his. the j.p.
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party won a landslide in the general election saudi arabia's crown prince mohammed bin salman meets a dance military leaders a move that could spark more protests in khartoum and sri lanka's president among convicted of inciting violence against mostly. british prime minister to recent days expected to announce her resignation after a meeting with conservative m.p.'s on friday that's according to several u.k. media outlets these are live pictures right now from outside 10 downing street where as you can see the lectern has been set up the prime minister is expected to come out any moment now to announce her resignation she's expected to stay on the job until june 10th after u.s. president donald trump's visit to the u.k. and her departure of course if confirmed would trigger
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a leadership contest within the ruling conservative party which rejected her latest plan i speak to lawrence lee who is outside the prime minister's official residence in london 10 downing street where an announcement looks eminent. it's any 2nd now. at the police request has been moved out of the picture because she's going to come out any 2nd now and the police got to move out of the shot so let me just do that and we'll just take a look at the podium which is in there in preparation for her she's been in for an hour and now with her chief execution the head of the but benches the rank and file conservancy she will be local revolt against her very hard already said that if she didn't voluntarily and the time when she was going to go they would potentially change their own means to force her out and so that was basically checkmate and she's got no choice but to go and she's also been with the chairman of the
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conservative party is world so. this is all very staged it's very different i would say to the resignation of david cameron last summer's here for this sort of thing was when he stepped down the day after the brits at referendum. which he lost in 2016 he had no choice but to resign in there was a level of shock about that that i think is frankly palpably missing from this occasion she had already said she was going to go at a time of her choosing but her own party simply and entirely lost patience with her repeated attempts to try to bring the same bill backs a parliament over and over again when it kept losing and they just said to me you can't keep doing this it's almost like the definition of insanity and so as as you said the. we seem to have lost our connection there to norns lee as we wait for the british prime minister teresa made to come out and announce her
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resignation as prime minister of the u.k. this is what we're expecting out of london at this hour a resignation that would come after several conservative m.p.'s rejected teresa mayes latest plan. mentally personal moment for theresa may as you heard lauren say there a moment of reckoning they had been several occasions in the past few months during which she was predicted to resign but she did and this one is expected to be the one we of course waiting to to see and hear what she says is sort of tone she projects if she strikes the right tone and especially what she will say to her conservative p. is. it still isn't a done deal to raise some may has been trying for months now to get a negotiated deal through parliament a negotiated deal with the european union and here she is now the british prime
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minister about to make an important announcement let's listen it. ever since i 1st stepped through the door behind me as prime minister i have striven to make the united kingdom a country that works not just for a privileged few but for everyone. to all of the results of the e.u. referendum. back in 2016 we gave the british people a choice against predictions the british people voted to leave the european union. i feel a certain today as i did 3 years ago that in a democracy if you give people a choice you have a duty to implement what they decide i have done my best to do that a negotiated the terms of our exit and a new relationship with our closest neighbors that protects jobs our security and our union i have done everything i can to convince m.p.'s to back that deal
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sadly i have not been able to do so i tried 3 times i believe it was right to persevered even when the odds against success seemed high. it is in the best interests of the country for a new prime minister to lead that effort so i am today announcing that i will resign as leader of the conservative and unionist party on friday the 7th of june so that a successor can be chosen i've agreed with the party chairman and with the chairman of the 922 committee that the process for electing a new leader should begin in the following week. i have kept her majesty the queen fully informed of my intentions and i will continue to serve as her prime minister until the process has concluded. it is and will always remain
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a matter of deep regret to me that i have not been able to deliver breck's it. it will be for my successor to seek a way forward to the dawn as the result of the referendum. to succeed he or she would have to find consensus in parliament where i have not. such a consensus can only be reached if those on all sides of the debate are willing to compromise. for many years the great humanitarians and nicholas winton who saved the lives of hundreds of children by arranging their evacuation from nazi occupied czechoslovakia through the kindertransport was my constituent in maidenhead. at another time of political controversy a few years before his death he took me to one side at a local event and gave me a piece of advice he said never forget that compromise is not a dirty word life depends on compromise he was right as
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we strive to find the compromises we need in our politics whether to deliver breck's it or to restore devolved government in northern ireland we must remember what brought us here. because the referendum was not just a call to leave the e.u. but for profound change in our country a call to make the united kingdom a country that truly works for everyone i'm proud of the progress we have made over the last 3 years we have completed the work that david cameron and george osborne started the deficit is almost eliminated our national debt is falling and we are bringing an end to austerity my focus has been on ensuring that the good jobs of the future will be created in communities across the whole country not just in london under the southeast through our modern industrial strategy. we have helped more people than ever enjoy the security of
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a job we are building more homes and helping 1st time buyers onto the housing ladder so young people can enjoy the opportunity is their parents did. and we are protecting the environment eliminating plastic waste tackling climate change and improving air quality. this is what a decent moderate and patrick otic conservative government on the common ground of british politics can achieve even as we tackle the biggest peacetime challenge any government has faced. i know that the conservative party can renew itself in the years ahead that we can deliver bricks it and serve the british people with policies inspired by our values security freedom and opportunity those values have guided me throughout my career. but the unique privilege of this office is to use this platform to give a voice to the voiceless to fight the burning injustices that still scar our
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society. that is why i put proper funding for mental health at the heart of our n.h.s. long term plan it's why i am ending the postcode lottery for survivors of domestic abuse it is why the race disparity audit and gender pay reporting are shining a light on inequality so it has nowhere to hide. and it is why i set up the independent public inquiry into the tragedy of grenfell tower to search for the truth so nothing like it can ever happen again and so the people who lost their lives that night are never forgotten because this country is a union not just a family of 4 nations but a union of people all of us whatever our backgrounds the color of our skin or who we love we stand together and together we have
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a great future. our politics may be under strain but there is so much that is good about this country so much to be proud of so much to be optimistic about. i will shortly leave the job that it has been the honor of my life to hold. the 2nd female prime minister but certainly not the last i do so with no ill will but with enormous and enduring gratitude to have had to the opportunity to serve the country. on a very emotional theresa may announcing her resignation as prime minister of the u.k. this is what we were expecting and it has just been announced to recently and mounting that she will step down as either of the conservative party on the 7th of june the process of electing a new leader will begin the following week and then she would stay on until at
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least the 7th of june and once it is selected she will then leave she said i have done my personal best to negotiate the terms of the exit within the e.u. she said she tried 3 times and as you know she failed 3 times adding that it was a matter of deep regret that she wasn't able to deliver breck said they you have it a very important moment in british politics the resignation of theresa may as prime minister lawrence lee is standing by outside number 10 downing street for us laurence this was an immensely personal moment for theresa may and moment of reckoning and a very emotional prime minister. yeah i don't know if you notice right at the very voice went on from where i was watching which. place a shoot. sick.

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