tv Inside Story 2020 Ep 7 Al Jazeera January 7, 2020 8:32pm-9:01pm +03
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the civil war in libya is a blow that up that many countries are involved on both sides as the battle for tripoli intensifies turkey is the latest to deploy troops making neighboring countries increasingly anxious so how are outside forces shaping libya's future this is inside story. hello welcome to the program. libya's warlord is pushing on with his 1st took up the capital tripoli it's in the west where the u.n.
recognize government of prime minister phases is based while have to has the support of a rival government in the east libya has been divided like this since mama gave their fee was deposed and killed in 2011 it's more than 8 months since houghton lost his offensive against tripoli and his forces have now which the center of sirte 450 kilometers away the city lies close to libya's so-called oil crescent where several key export terminal located the advance comes as turkey has begun deploying troops to libya to support assad was just government assad is also backed by qatar italy and most western countries while he gets help from egypt united arab emirates and friends russian private security forces are also reportedly fighting alongside his forces the u.n. envoy to libya is demanding an end to all forming intervention saying it's
hindering and a political solution. to your hands out of libya the country is suffering too much from foreign interference in different ways and arms being sold to libyans and arms being given to libyan in dieted foreign military action in libya in looking for basis permanent bases in libya in all the kind of. dynamic intervention is making things extremely difficult. prime minister phase was in algeria on monday to meet president i believe as you did to board the talks consign did with a visit by turkish foreign minister to board says tripoli is what he considers to be a red line that no one should cross here with jacketed any foreign intervention and
called on the international community to fulfill its responsibilities to achieve peace ilithyia libya's neighbors have been concerned by and in fighting and airstrikes around tripoli in recent weeks and after saturday's attack on a military academy in the capital that killed at least 30 people in his ear has tightened up security along its eastern border with libya. let's bring in our panel joining me in doha use earth one professor of political science and international relations at the qatar university in tripoli now i am very any member of the triplett based house of representatives and a former minister of higher education of the 1st transitional government of libya from 2011 to 2012 in rome cloudier at senior senior libya and
a list of the international crisis group and the former policy advisor to us and salome was the head of the u.n. support mission in libya welcome to all lists are to use of by the. growing concern about the foreign intervention in libya this is not something you have started with 2011 but why people are now walking than ever about the foreign intervention obviously because there are some new players on the ground as you say libya has been the theater of vention since 2011 and obviously with pushing on tripoli plane to take over the country take over the oil installations the stakes are extremely high obviously the government of fighters a large the legitimate government of it's a large is. from outside powers we see that turkey has sent
troops in there he made visits to for example to algeria we do new president a new government and so on and so forth so the stakes are extremely high and people are very much concerned about the form presence on the ground in libya we hear. egypt is not very happy with what. turkey is doing on the ground and it seems over the last few weeks that the stakes are getting extremely high and now i am libya is it because of the turkish involvement that suddenly everyone seems to be concerned about the ramifications of the way general and international involvement in libya and political affairs as well. as it seems of the international intervention or the of. the foreign intervention in libya it's not something you know it has been going on for the past 5 years. it's very well documented in the
reports of the u.n. and on of experts that. there has been a generous support of the arena good to not have to since the launching of his so-called dignity operation in benghazi in 2014 so this is this is not a new. for the past several years the international community has been. equating the. the aggressor with with the victim now that. the victim found itself in a very desperate situation to. prevent the fall of tripoli and. ask for some help everybody got anxious about it so it's.
it's very ironic. perspective of the libyan people that the international community only now talks about or intervention cloud you know as i mentioned this very well documented in successive you and reports cloudier there's a great deal of diplomatic activity over the past few days about libya is it part of the regional and international we aligned live that we have been seeing over the past few months or is it a genuine attempt this time to find a political solution to the crisis. no political attempts attempts to a political solution to the crisis have been going on for years now in various forms and manifestations the latest has been. taken by germany to convene the outside act is including those who support actively and militarily the factions on the ground in libya to come to the table and come to a common understanding on what the political roadmap for the future of libya should
be but the actual on going diplomatic consultations are unlikely to produce a real political proposal that the parties can sign up to 1st because many of the outside actors themselves are driven by their own strategic interests be in turkey to safeguard the mediterranean deal be it egypt to safeguard its support for the. lead army or be it gulf gulf states or the others but the most important thing is that the libyan factions themselves at the moment appear on both sides appear dead set on refusing negotiations little months after lead forces have refused the idea of participating in peace talks even even the latest proposal advanced by the un special envoy on the margins of the bird in process was turned down and lately on the d.n.a. side where there was for many months this a policy of appeasement and trying to reach an understanding with how they're now
the situation is entirely different and they strongly over the turkish support are now also turning down negotiations so the chances at the moment of a political solution. very difficult to. use to speak of the. clergy i was talking about there's a new step in algeria with his presidency about tripoli is a red line could you explain to us what he's trying to do here obviously it's divided beginning. has been. criticised in the past for not doing enough. is concerned it was accused by some of the libyan suddenly door position of qaddafi that they were supporting to duffy and offered him safe haven and so on and so forth algeria had its own problems over the last few years and its diplomacy has not been doing what it should be what it's been there with let's not forget that algeria was one of the most important to the world tunes in the seventy's and the
was an influential country in united nations but but all has moved more or less over the last 2 decades with the new president in office with a new minister of. basically a seasoned diplomat in the united nations also for algeria wants to come back to delusional issue does not forget that algeria something almost a 1000 kilometers we did libya in the instability in libya would spill of. oil plant was attacked in algeria and. in 2015 the so-called terrorists who attacked that came from libya the downfall of gadhafi for instance left libya one of the most countries but population in the world so it is in the interests of libya is
a stable obviously they talk about national sovereignty and national unity independence and so on so forth so none interference in libya's of the fallen powers is one of the most basic. principles of algeria's policy and it wants to be seen to do something it also. has government because it sees it as the legitimacy the government of libya and algeria tries to find the new word new government in algeria the new. president not built to find the need for its mother can do german chancellor invited julia to take part of the peace conference at the confluence of germany let me go to naive in tripoli now i am from a government of national accord perspective what of the expectations as far as a jury is concerned we've seen a set of eyes in algeria we've seen the turkish prime minister in algeria so what
do you think should bring to the mix well algeria is. very important. country in the in the region and i think this is. it's about time for the government of national accord to. start. strengthening its relations with its so western neighbors who are more sympathetic with people. and definitely algeria is their major are as a major power in the region so we expect full support from our. friends . both in terms of far. diplomacy and influence in the international circles. as well as any other material support that can provide to to the government of
national accord it's again the irony of the international community narrative its factions factions fighting each other that. is is not acceptable by the libyan people we have a government of national accord that was produced by a negotiated political agreement. was facilitated by the united nations was supported by years aleutians of the security council is being attacked by militias. or wrongly label themselves as the libyan national army and we know it's just a militia led by a renegade general who. wants to take me back to
the times of tourney and to tell a fairy who rule for which to leave you know. you have to price so this this this parity between the 2 is totally and rejected by the libyan people claudia i mean when you talk to libya's particularly those affiliated with a government of national called the would tell you that the international community was should have been an impartial broker of a political settlement some of the bodies did back in haifa how to take over tripoli has europe or the e.u. become irrelevant as far as the best present. well it to a large extent you and member states have become irrelevant in the sense that they have back to 2015 of course the tripoli base government but in face of the advance of the forces. there in april they have not been able to lend or not being
willing to lend actually military support to defend or to fend off this advance so from the perspective of the tripoli based government europe has become. relatively irrelevant and i think today there was supposed to be a delegation of european foreign ministers french italian new care a led by burrell and german of course led by a high commissioner a border el to tripoli and it was significant the fact that the d.n.a. at the very last moment decided to call off this visit and said it was postponed to a later date. so there are there is a great an ease in tripoli towards the you regarding their forces and the government aligned to it in eastern libya they also to a certain extent consider consider the you relevant i mean there's a reef found rekindled sort of friendship with with the italian foreign minister
after his last visit and the contacts are ongoing especially with the french who have those who have been those most supportive but after it takes the backing that is given to him from russia and the gulf states in neighboring egypt much more than know it considers europe relevant use of all eyes are turning now to the bullying conference where many key players will attend including algeria qatar turkey this time is this a golden opportunity to reconcile differences between the warring factions in libya with a port into. i wouldn't call that a good to know putting to 1st a world war 2 the wars in factions will attend the conference or not is to be seen and the 2nd thing is i think that there are 2 levels of negotiations here the 1st one is to convince the world in factions illegal to go to germany and sit and talk and the 2nd one is to what to do sponsors for due to factions want
because while it's played down between the government of national call in tripoli. have to on the other hand but also these both parties be yusupov to foreign powers like you're just from home from tripoli obviously the government of national accord enjoys the legitimacy. and it is seen as a legitimate government of libya and obviously those who would like to play by the international law and so on and so forth but what the interests of the was polities point to have to know what to do what are the compromises it's very very difficult to. imagine because of the 2 parties and especially when you're 5 is on the globe and. on behalf of some local. powers
now i use say that the e.u. claudia i see that you want to say something yeah i just wanted to add a clarification the berlin conference if it ever does take place is not meant to involve. or negotiate or be or for a forum for negotiations between them that it is exclusively. meeting that will bring together foreign representatives. so now i am you say that the jenae is the. internationally recognized government of national court however it barely controls one 3rd of libya the momentum seems to be now with the hafta who controls more groundwater therea widely seen by the international community as a bulwark against extremism isn't this the moment for some concessions painful concessions from all the parties including you i mean what what concessions could you give to someone who. once essential to take over the
country and. and take leave you are back to a dictatorial. regime not concessions libya is being attacked. the have to project has destroyed the eastern part of libya and the and that man so on and now he's moving to tripoli what kind of concession could you give to start i'm going to guess or. again it's very ironic and i think the international community and especially the our european neighbors they're there lost all credibility with that with the libyan people they're speaking of watching this going on for the past 4 years. did nothing about it other than just. big statements who sensually equated the victim with the criminal
and now bringing those people who have been part of. this aggression and have been supporting it with weapons and with cluster bombs with. planes and and so on to decide the fate of libya and the absence of the legitimate the government all right there's a full it's not really sisterhood of where you have a government that's being that's recognized by the international community it's occluded from. the meeting that will decide the fate of the country based on the premise that these are 2 factions fighting each other. claudia. you've heard what name it is basically saying the growing distrust above the libyans in the western part of the country as far as the ears involvement is concerned and this explains why they are desperate now to see that play an
aggressive road but aren't we here in a situation where the potential for a wider. flicked the turks against the international community the yes turkish president and the on when explaining the rationale for the authorization to deploy troops in libya said that they're not going to libya to wage war or to combat but actually create the conditions for a cease fire implicit in this argument is the idea that by balancing out the power of the on the ground and supporting the d.n.a. and the tripoli misrata forces he is simply counterbalancing the international support that is being given to huffed our forces and could and therefore create better conditions for a cease fire agreement this is. a dangerous bet because the backlash of turkish intervention is also. very high yes.
tripoli desperately needs foreign support. so far is the only country that has responded to the request and let's not forget this tripoli made 5 requests to countries to for their direct aid only in december all right but the backlash is huge arab nationalist revivalism is in the air as well we have we have a little time here voted with the use of. the u.a.e. and in particular. with turkey now in the equation do you see any potential for anybody to confrontation between the 2. well it's been a little difficult to predict but i don't think that would what will but that will happen i think that it will be a balancing act in order to try to bring in the people it would cause if you specially would have to say that he's determined to take over tripoli. the little that is something. different from the auditee well no i mean you see that tuft is moving forward taken over syria saying that he's determined to take over tripoli
considers himself to be the illegitimate representative of the libyan people could you just give us an idea about how do you see the future of your country well the struggle of the libyan people will will continue libyans will not surrender up for paying a very hefty price over the past 8 years to get rid of gadhafi and his regime which wasted sensually 2 generations of the libyan people to surrender just to. repeat. the same scenario again for another 40 years so the libyan people are going to defend themselves we hope that our european friends be a little bit more sensitive to the aspirations of the libyan people and as mr salama
said the story of libya is not only the story of oil and gas and i will add it's not only the story of terrorism and migration but it's a story of on this it has a human dimension as are synonymous here but it's more a story of people who want to put behind the. rule of attorney and move forward and join the rest of the world in establishing a democratic state based on a constitution and the rule of law and their will there were fighting for that going to give up even if they are alone by themselves thank you mr name it seems that the upcoming days will be extremely crucial not only for libya but also for the key international and regional players trying to find a way to put an end to the conflict that has been going on for quite some time now in how do you on the use of wonderland claudia seanie thank you very much indeed i really appreciate your contribution to the program and thank you for watching you
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