tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News January 26, 2017 9:00am-11:01am GMT
hello, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. as donald trump says he believes that torture can work to get information out of terrorism suspects, we'll be asking what impact his words will have across the world. we'll be speaking exclusively to raffaele sollecito, who, together with amanda knox, was wrongly imprisoned for the murder of british student meredith kercher. and, the last survivor of the dambusters raid on germany in 1943 has never received a knighthood. tv presenter and raf ambassador carol vorderman is leading a petition to try to change that. we'll be talking to her. about british veteran johnny johnson. hello. welcome to the programme, we're live until ”am this morning. all so later we are going to hear exclusive live from the nspcc, who are today calling the new child
protection measures in sports clubs. we will bring you all the details, including the extra background checks you might have to go through if you work with children. do get in touch on that, it would be really interesting to hear your views, two loopholes they are calling for the government to close immediately. i would be interesting to hear what it is like trying to get a background check now if you work with children. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today... the us president donald trump has said he believes that torture can work to get information out of suspected terrorists. but he said he would seek further advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques such as water—boarding. speaking to the american abc network in his first televised interview since becoming president, he also repeated his pledge to make mexico pay for a wall along its border with the united states. here's our washington correspondent, david willis. could america be set for a return to the interrogation methods of old? a draft executive order suggests its commander—in—chief could be preparing to return to the dark days of waterboarding, by reopening the so—called black
site secret prisons operated by the cia. in his first tv interview since becoming president, donald trump made clear he is considering scrapping an order by his predecessor that terrorist suspects be treated in accordance with international law. "torture works", the president declared. when they're chopping off the heads of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a christian in the middle east, when isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since mediaeval times, would i feel strongly about water boarding? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. reports suggest mr trump is also due to announce plans to close america's borders to refugees, for a period at least, and implement tougher visa restrictions on citizens from certain predominantly muslim nations with links to terrorism, what is known as extreme vetting. in an effort to quell the influx of illegal immigrants from mexico,
mr trump has signed an executive order to begin work on building a wall between the two nations. a multimillion dollar venture that he insists mexico will be made to pay for. ultimately it'll come out of what's happening with mexico and we're going to be starting those negotiations soon, and we will be in a form reimbursed by mexico. so they'll pay us back? absolutely, 100%. that has ruffled the feathers of america's southern neighbour. in an address to the nation, mexico's president said they have no intention of footing the bill. the mexican president is due in washington next week. he faces difficult discussions with an american counterpart clearly determined to reverse many of the changes brought about by barack obama. david willis, bbc news, washington. with us now is our political guru norman smith. theresa may has a forthcoming
meeting with donald trump. what's theresa may hoping to get out of the meeting? well, she wants to make sure that we are in lockstep with donald trump, that we are like that with the new us president. because while all british prime ministers go over there and talk about the special relationship, it seems to me theresa may is going on awful lot further. she talks about how, you know, we have fought in wars together. but she says that britain and america made the more than world, and we can read it again. she seems almost to be sort of harking back to an era when britain and america were the two superpowers who forged the way things were done in the world. she says we can do that again, we have shaped institutions and values and we can once again adopt that leadership role. the second very striking thing is she seems to be pretty much budding brexit on the same page as mr trump's election victory, saying both heart of change
and renewal and a time when countries rediscover the sense of self—confidence. you get the very clear impression that she wants to put us as close as possible to donald trump. the reason for that, the don't have to be einstein, is because obviously we are leaving the eu, and we need new relationships, and boy, oh boy, do we need that strong alliance with america and that trade deal. and that means being as close as possible to donald trump. donald trump as we heard has been talking about torture. what sort of reaction has there been to his comments? very interesting, already there is quite a backlash from mps, including from, you know, some of her own mps, who are very unhappy about that. we had a senior conservative mp saying, let me just get his words, he said... he urged mrs may to tell donald trump that in no circumstances will she be
allowing britain to be dragged into facilitating torture. we have it we could from sarah wollaston, another leading conservative mp. —— a tweet. she says, you cannot lead on a global stage by advocating torture. and one mp who sits on the intelligence and security committee said, these are the people who monitor our intelligence agencies, he respects me this morning to say, this is going to cause real problems for the british intelligence agencies because we are not going to be able to incorporate with the americans if they are using torture. —— he texted me this morning. the guidance that is given to our intelligence officers, let me tell you what it says. it says, personnel will be aware of concerns about torture and cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment. there is an absolute prohibition of torture in international law. the uk government policy on such conduct is clear that mike we do not participate in or condone the use of torture. in other
words, british agents cannot take advantage of american intelligence if it is being gleaned by torture, and they cannot be in the same room if torture is being carried out. that is going to presumably be something which mrs may is going to have to confront donald trump about. thank you, norman. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the news. good morning, victoria. the government will publish a bill to enable it invoke article 50 and trigger a process of leaving the european union. the brexit secretary david davies says the bill will be straightforward, although opposition party was will seek to make amendments. the government was forced to draw up legislation after losing an appeal at the supreme court. the nspcc is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and i7—year—olds in their care. the charity says it's already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex with 16 and i7—year—olds in their care. it also wants to tighten the rules around background checks, with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches working with children.
a major report into the health of children in the uk has found an "alarming gap" exists between the rich and poor — with one in five young people suffering as a result of poverty. the royal college of paediatrics and child health also suggests the uk is lagging behind most western european countries when it comes to measures such as infant mortality rates and obesity. our health correspondent, dominic hughes, reports. hi, i'm sophie. and i'm an emotional wreck. anxiety, depression and a need to be listened to. these are the themes of a short play on mental health, devised by school students in liverpool. and i need help... the issues they touch on reflect those in today's report on the health of children and young people. it paints a picture of the uk struggling to match other countries and even falling behind. the evidence has been developing for some time that all is not well with our children's health. it's the first time we have really put together a proper picture across all four countries,
and the news is not good. some of the issues that raise concerns over the state of child health include just 34% of babies breast fed to six months, less than half the rate in norway. 40% of children in england's most deprived areas are overweight or obese, and half of adult mental health problems start before the age 01:14. and for the drama group in liverpool, mental health issues are a real priority. mental illnesses are an illness of the brain, and they're as valid as any other illnesses to any other part of the body. just because you can't see it physically, it doesn't mean it isn't there. our production will mainly be to get rid of that stigma about mental health, and just educate the audience a bit more about mental health. the four governments of the uk are all challenged to consider the impact their policies will have on children. they've responded by restating commitments to improve children's health. gdp figures for the uk economy are to be released
in the next half—hour. the figures will cover the fourth quarter of 2016. for more on this, our business presenter ben thompson joins us from the institute of engineering and technology — in sight of both parliament and the city. obviously lots of people watching these figures very closely, not least the prime minister, as she heads off to meet donald trump. what are we expecting from them? yes, you're absolutely right, those figures are watched very closely indeed by both parties, by the politicians, and also by the city of london. because it will give us an indication ofjust how quickly the uk economy is growing, and it is looking back, look back at the last quarter of last year. of course, the things the economy is contending with our issues that are facing us in the yearahead, with our issues that are facing us in the year ahead, too. that is the uncertainty surrounding the brexit folk. there is the rise in prices as much inflation is picking up again, it means we may be paying more in
the shops and supermarkets. but things like petrol when we go out shopping. those prices are going up. at the same time there has been a fall in the value of the pound, which means that things we have bought from overseas will also be more expensive. that includes products made elsewhere, and also raw materials and food that is imported from elsewhere. so, given that we are expecting the economy to have grown by about half of i%, slightly down on the three months before that. many people saying that isa before that. many people saying that is a good performance given all of that uncertainty. the big question as we know is what happens in the year ahead? as we know is what happens in the year ahead ? business as we know is what happens in the year ahead? business is craving some sort of certainty. it's trying to find out what the government will do as far as brexit is concerned, when it will trigger that article 50 to begin those so—called false proceedings. that is weighing very heavily on their mind when it comes to making decisions —— divorce proceedings. when it comes to expanding the business or taking on
new staff. there is uncertainty surrounding the presidency of donald trump. those figures are due out at 9:30am. the royal bank of scotland will take another financial hit for mis—selling risky mortgages in america in the run—up to the financial crisis of 2008. the bank, which is more than 70% owned by the taxpayer, could be fined an additional £3 billion by the us department ofjustice. almost half of all hospitals in england are failing to meet basic government standards for hospital food, according to data released by the department of health. the campaign for better hospital food warns the situation is "diabolical". the government says standards are improving. ant and dec won the prize for best tv presenter for the 16th year running at last night's national television awards. the bbc presenter graham norton was recognised for his services to broadcasting. len goodman lost out on the public‘s choice of best
judge. other winners included mary berry for bestjudge. the bbc‘s strictly come dancing picked up the gong for best talent show. emmerdale was voted best soap, and itv‘s this morning won best live magazine programme. please welcome your host for the night! the national television awards bring out the great and the good of the television screen. a new category was introduced this year for period drama, won by call the midwife. it was up against the likes of peaky blinders and poldark. best comedy went to mrs brown's boys, and it was strictly come dancing that got the award for best talent show. best tvjudge went to a very surprised mary berry, in herfinal turn on the great british bake off. the first and foremost thing is to be fair, and encouraging and honest. despite our television viewing habits changing, the average household watches about 3.5 hours a day. nights like these are a chance to celebrate the best of what's on the box.
ladies and gentlemen, the nation's heartthrob, mrgraham norton! chatshow host graham norton collected the lifetime achievement award. and ant and dec won best tv presenter for the 16th year in a row. we are very lucky to have the three shows at the moment, and long may it continue! we love it! we just want to keep making good telly. casualty! but the surprise of the night was casualty‘s win for best drama. the saturday night staple which turned 30 last year. it be some high profile and high budget smashes, including the night manager and game of thrones. i loved that air punch from mary berry! that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 9:30am. congratulations to all of the winners, particularly ant and dec.
with regards to donald trump's comments on torture, robben facebook says, theresa may is demonstrating incompetent and a total lack of judgment by visiting the american president. your views are welcome. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. time for sport with hugh woozencroft. and hugh, it's throwback thursday at the australian open for the williams sisters... good morning, victoria. it's a vintage year in tennis. 2015 has seen vintage year in tennis. 2015 has seen the rear burdens of that and katya and nadal, and now venus and serena williams will appear opposite each other —— the re—emergence. serena williams won her match 6—2, 6-1. it serena williams won her match 6—2, 6—1. it tookjust serena williams won her match 6—2, 6—1. it took just 50 serena williams won her match 6—2, 6—1. it tookjust 50 minutes. against the arms seeded croatian. it wasn't to be again the world number two. —— the unseeded croatian. she will be looking to win a record 23rd grand slam singles title. in the way
is her old sister venus. she won back her match in three sets —— her older sister. so, a great result for her, a brilliant result for britain's andy lapthorne and his partner david whitener. they have won the final against the paralympic champions. we are guaranteed a british winner in the men's wheelchair doubles in melbourne. alfie hewett and gordon reid will face off with their respective partners. roger federer playing at the moment, just darted his semifinal against stan wawrinka, five or in the first set of that one. the league cup final, what is happening there? liverpool were in such good form, but they have reached their first efl cup final since 1979, southampton, after beating liverpool 1—0 at anfield
last night, and they were one goal up last night, and they were one goal up from the first leg as well. shane long sealed their place. they will face the whole city by manchester united. —— hull. face the whole city by manchester united. -- hull. what about the reaction to usain bolt having one of his medals being taken away because ofa his medals being taken away because of a team—mate? his medals being taken away because of a team-mate? he will not be smiling today. and he will have to get back one of his olympic gold medals after his team—mate nesta carter was disqualified over a doping incident at beijing. jamaica have been stripped of the gold in
the four by 100 metres. he can no longer claim to hold the famous triple triple. he says he will appeal to the court of arbitration for sport. and some very good news for sport. and some very good news for british skiing fans, something we don't say often. milli night and her guide won downhill gold on the opening day of the world para alpine championships in italy. her guide shouts instructions from in front of her. he helped her to see the racing line as well. she has won 11 medals, seven of them gold, ina great 12
won 11 medals, seven of them gold, in a great 12 months. we will have more headlines that have passed. cnn. it's nearly ten years since british student meredith kercher was killed while studying in italy, in what became — and has remained — one of the most notorious murder cases in the world. this morning, we can speak exclusively to raffaele sollecito, who together with meredith's roommate amanda knox, was wrongly convicted and imprisoned for the crime. he says the ordeal has scarred his life. and with legal bills that topped £1 million, he's now pushing for compensation from the italian government. translation: both the defendants fora, b, cand d are acquitted because they have not committed the crime. i think we are still on the journey to the truth.
it may be the fact that we don't ever really know what happened that night. i'm a normal guy who passed through a nightmare. now i'm different, because of the nightmare i passed through. but i'm innocent. and raffaele sollecito is here. good morning to you. good morning. tell us how your life has been changed by what you experienced.” ama changed by what you experienced.” am a kind of normal person. it is a weird kind of celebrity which older people look at, especially in italy,
but it is not a good thing, because of course, i bore a burden of an image that is not who i really am. that image is what, do you think?m depends who is looking at me. in italy, they are split between people who think that i am innocent and people who think that i am guilty. it depends on what they have as a background in their mind and they think about me something different on one side or another. those people who think you are guilty, do you believe you will ever be able to change their minds, or have you accepted that? each time i spoke with them, each time any person meets me and talks to me, they realise that what the media said
mears totally —— said about me is totally different from what i am, so they changed their mind each time, but as you may understand, it is not possible to reach all the people involved in this case. with the news, you can reach 5 million people. i can know a few hundred of them. can you give our audience an insight into what it is like to be wrongly jailed for insight into what it is like to be wronglyjailed for a crime that you had nothing to do with? it's really a nightmare, and it affects all of your life. it changes it. you have to face, you have to struggle for anything that you do. you have attention for everything that you do. even a tiny false step, it's
made like a huge thing. like what? what false step of you made that has been blown up? at the beginning, you can imagine that i was bringing a pocket knife in myjeans since i was 13 years old. the police department thought that it was the murder knife, even if it wasjust thought that it was the murder knife, even if it was just a collection article. even this, or the fact that i didn't ask for a lawyer during the interrogations, or even my misinterpretation of the seriousness of the case. anything, really. later, each thing i said,
each thing i looked at the case with amanda, whatever i did was taken as a fault, a big fall. anything that i look at was a clue of my guilt, so it is really tragic. and do you feel under scrutiny now, as you try to rebuild your life, still? yes, because i run my home business. i have an application to commemorate people who have been lost, for relatives who have passed away, and i got relatives who have passed away, and igota relatives who have passed away, and i got a lot of criticism on that. also, anything like whatever i decided to do, comments on other
cases on television, they ask me to be someone with an opinion because of what i passed through. i got a lot of criticism as well, so it is kind of anything i do has to be commented by anyone in a good way or ina bad commented by anyone in a good way or in a bad way. it depends on what they really think about me. have you accepted that you will probably for ever be associated with the death of meredith kercher?” ever be associated with the death of meredith kercher? i hope it will not be in this way for the rest of my life. of course, it's a big part, it's a parenthesis inside it's a really important case, and in the history of judgments, it really important case, and in the history ofjudgments, it will be an imprint for ever, but i don't think
that my life is bounded by this, because it is over. there has to be an end of it. of course, in the trials, this is the end. but in the people's mind, it has to be digestive. how have you tried to rebuild your life? yeah, i'm trying still. i'm struggling. the greatest obstacle, i find, still. i'm struggling. the greatest obstacle, ifind, along my still. i'm struggling. the greatest obstacle, i find, along my path is prejudice by people whom i don't know. this is something that i think will, step—by—step, clear up. it takes time and force and you have to have the will to do that. i cannot
hide and close inside myself, because it can be worse.” hide and close inside myself, because it can be worse. i was going to ask, have you ever considered moving from italy? lily, that is where yourfamily, moving from italy? lily, that is where your family, but has that been a consideration? not so, because i have all my family, and i run a business there. i have not considered. they did something really terrible to me... they? the prosecution. there was nothing wrong idid, so prosecution. there was nothing wrong i did, so there is no real reason to leave my country because of something that i didn't do. you believe that you and amanda knox are victims — what do you mean by that?
imean victims — what do you mean by that? i mean that we were appointed by the prosecution since the beginning without any real clue. they needed to close the case as soon as possible because there was the greatest attention ever from all over the world on a murder case, so they needed the guilty people soon. irememberthe they needed the guilty people soon. i remember the police department of perugia is making a press conference, an international press conference, an international press conference, saying that amanda knox and raffaele sollecito are guilty, and raffaele sollecito are guilty, and meredith kercher was murdered inside and orgies gone wrong. —— an org——
inside and orgies gone wrong. —— an or g —— orgy gone wrong. they did not want to go back and look at clues and real facts at the murder scene to follow the right theory. and that is what you mean by saying you are rape victim. how do you think of meredith kercher‘s family? i think about them, and i am really sad that they still stick about the prosecution theory, because it is completely wrong. they missed the case. they say they still have questions and that they may never know the truth. that is what the prosecution says today. it is exactly the same thing. i am sad they repeat what the prosecution says, because the real facts about this murder, i have seen the documents also you can read them and
see that the reality of this case is completely different from what the prosecution wanted to make people believe. what is the nature of your friendship or otherwise with amanda knox now? we are friends. and, yeah, very fa st knox now? we are friends. and, yeah, very fast friends. sometimes we talk, but not so often. right. do you ever talk about the past? no. there is no reason to do that. actually we did it for five days. it is completely meaningless to talk about it. but you had a shared experience, four years injail, both of you, for something which you... this is something that you can use
for other people who have been wrongly jailed. for other people who have been wronglyjailed. so i'm trying to reach associations to help wrongly imprisoned prisoners. prisoners, all of them, and also much more people who have been jailed of them, and also much more people who have beenjailed for a mistake. and i think that doing our imprisonment, we formed even a path, but not the same, because she was inside the female prison, i was inside the female prison, i was inside the female prison, i was inside the men's prison. so we completely lived in two different world's, even though these world's
we re world's, even though these world's were parallel. on friday, you will find out if you are to receive compensation from the italian authorities for the wrongful imprisonment you experienced. what is the maximum that you could spec to receive? -- that you could expect. the maximum is 516,000 jurors. that is what you have asked for? yeah. -- your rose. of course, we have all the rights to claim it. but that is not even enough to compensate what my family and me paid around these years. because the past ten years of this ordeal, of this nightmare, in this ten years we sold even our apartments. we have still that's on it. what do your debts had up to, do you know? how much debt are you and your family in? we have still around 400,000
euros of debt. so this can just clear up euros of debt. so this can just clearup our euros of debt. so this can just clear up our debts. and a little more. but, you know, in the end, we... this is a calculation, because this is the maximum you can ask for your wrongful imprisonment. it doesn't have nothing to do with the ordeal itself. with the ordeal? with the ordeal itself, because of course, this is calculated by the days you spent in prison. but this ordeal didn't last only for years, it lasted for ten years. i was inside this nightmare for ten years. after the decision, we have to think
and manage how to make the government no that this is notjust my imprisonment, this has affected all of my life, and affected even a big part of my life ten years. is it difficult to meet new people? or not? yes, it's not that difficult, it's always... a kind of, they have prejudiced. they always change their mind and view me as a normal guy. but on the other side, before i come by and! but on the other side, before i come by and i speak to anybody, they feel something that is, i don't know, and or around something that is, i don't know, and oraround me, something that is, i don't know, and
or around me, which is heavy, which is something that they have to cope to, and they feel it. a couple of m essa g es to, and they feel it. a couple of messages from people watching you speak this morning. sarah says, so many lives have been ruined by this case. roger says, the only victims, he disagrees with you, he says the only victims in this dreadful crime are meredith kercher and herfamily. there are many victims in this case. amanda's parents, my parents, all our families, patrice mamba's families, there are a lot of victims, actually. meredith kercher is the first victim. but there are many others made by the prosecution mistakes. what does your future hold? i don't know. what do you hope
for? i hope to make my company began bigger. —— bigger and for? i hope to make my company began bigger. —— biggerand bigger. and to help people who have been wrongfully imprisoned. those are the two goals. i'm following. thank you very much for talking to us today. thanks for your time. thank you. we appreciate it. a couple of bits of breaking news to bring you. this is on the state of our prisons in england and wales. new figures show that a record number of people killed themselves in prisons in england and wales last year. the ministry of justice says there were 119 deaths, the highest number sets records were first compiled in 1978. the overall number of deaths in jails was also ata number of deaths in jails was also at a record 354. we will bring you more on that story and reaction in the programme this morning. and the latest figures which give us an idea
about the state of the uk economy is just out. the uk economy grew by 0.6% during the the fourth quarter, the last few months of 2016. that from the office of national sadistic. the british economy grew by just over sadistic. the british economy grew byjust over 0.5% during the last few months of 2016. and we'll be live at the science museum in london as tim peak unveils the spacecraft he used on his recent mission to the international space station. dambuster hero george johnnyjohnson is the last surviving brit of the bouncing bomb raids on hitlers dams. we speak to carol vorderman about why she's spearheading a petition to get him a knighthood. here's annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. good morning. let's begin with president trump. the us president donald trump has said he believes that torture can work to get information out of suspected terrorists.
but he said he would seek further advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques such as water—boarding. speaking to the american abc network, in his first televised interview since becoming president, he also repeated his pledge to make mexico pay for a wall along its border with the united states. it comes as theresa may travels to the us to become the first world leader to meet the new president. the government will publish a bill today to enable it to invoke article 50 and trigger the process of the uk leaving the european union. the brexit secretary david davis says the bill will be straightforward, although opposition parties will seek to make amendments. the government was forced to draw up the legislation after losing an appeal at the supreme court. the nspcc is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. the charity points out that it's already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. it also wants to tighten the rules around background checks, with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches working with children. the royal bank of scotland will take
another financial hit for mis—selling risky mortgages in america in the run—up to the financial crisis of 2008. the bank, which is more than 70% owned by the taxpayer, could be fined an additional £3 billion by the us department ofjustice. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 10am. thank you. here's some sport now with hugh. hello again. it has been a big day for the williams family. venus and serena making the final at the australian open. venus took three sets to beat a fellow american and reach her first grand slam final since wimbledon in 2009, when she played her younger sister serena. serena dominated her opponent to reach a 34th major final, serena dominated her opponent to reach a 34th majorfinal, it serena dominated her opponent to reach a 34th major final, it took her less than an hour. roger federer won the first set of his semifinal against his swiss compatriot stan wawrinka. he broke him in the last
game of the set. so far it has gone with serve 2—2 in the second. shane long's goal booked them a spot in the efl cup final with eight 2—0 win over liverpool. britain's milind night won downhill gold on the opening day of the world paris skiing championships in italy. she beat the five—time paralympic champion of slovakia. that's all the sport for now, we will be back with morejust after 10am. sport for now, we will be back with more just after 10am. let's go live to the commons now. the brexit secretary david davies is outlining the goverment‘s white paper, the formal policy document, to his colleagues. taking into account the framework between the future relationship of the eu and the uk. it is therefore impossible to start negotiations unless one has an outline agreement on what that framework should be. obviously, mps
are able to respond to what david davies is saying. this is peter lilley, conservative mp. will we press our partners to clarify that right at the beginning of the negotiations? well, we already have done. i negotiations? well, we already have done. lam negotiations? well, we already have done. i am in negotiations? well, we already have done. lam in my negotiations? well, we already have done. i am in my one meeting with, when he was talking about the sequential approach, which seems to me not practical, for me it really isn't possible to come to an outcome on either the negotiations without a clear idea of the trade aspect of the negotiations. his description is pretty accurate, and i've said in terms that we intend all of this to be concluded within the two years. big off says it wants nothing further to do with the european court ofjustice. so the government says. in any new free trade agreement with this 27 member states, there will have to be a legal arbitration mechanism whose
rulings will be obliged to implement. if the european court of justice is not acceptable, what court would be? well, it would not this is the only by a court. he is quite right, most international... laughter listen to the answer! most international trade agreements have an arbitration, normally preceded by mediation, which is used more often. in the case of the canada arbitration, for example, you have got one person from each side and one neutral who are appointed by agreement, if agreement cannot be reached, it is a fallback and a simple arbitration mechanism. there is all of the difference in the world between a simple trade arbitration mechanism and a court that reaches into every nut and cranny of your society stop by david davies, brexit secretary, answering a question from hilary benn. what is david davis doing this morning, norman? that was a little bit of shadow boxing. what they are all
waiting for is this bill to trigger our withdrawal from the eu, waiting for is this bill to trigger our withdrawalfrom the eu, what waiting for is this bill to trigger our withdrawal from the eu, what is called the european union notification of withdrawal bill. that's the legislation which will begin the process of us leaving the eu and being out within the next two yea rs. eu and being out within the next two years. mps are kind of waiting until they see that. the expectation is that it will be a short bill, stripped down, pared back, the government alt—right fasttrack through the commons. later this morning we will get an idea from the government in which the pace it wa nts to government in which the pace it wants to move. the signs are they wa nt wants to move. the signs are they want that bill through the house of commons within a fortnight. and then it goes to that place, the house of lords, where there may be more trouble ahead. the government has no control in the house of lords, they do not have a majority, and appears pretty much do what they want, but most of them are opposed to brexit.
there is a potentialfor them most of them are opposed to brexit. there is a potential for them to cause all sorts of difficulties. the indications are the government have left a big fat whopping six weeks to get the bill through the house of lords in order to meet mrs may's deadline of the end of march for beginning, beginning with all from the eu. thank you very much, norman. coming up... we hearfrom the man known as "the spielberg of video games", and get his vision of the future of gaming. let's go to the science museum in london now, where everyone's favourite astronaut — tim peake — is meeting fans and talking about his next mission. let's join our correspondent rebecca morelle. iam here i am here at the science museum, and here is the soyuz capsule that took tim peake here is the soyuz capsule that took tim pea ke into here is the soyuz capsule that took tim peake into space. it then safely
brought him back down again. you can see from looking at it, the size of it, it is pretty small. the crew of three would have been really snug in there. tim pea ke three would have been really snug in there. tim peake spoke about his experience inside the soyuz capsule a little while ago at a press conference. the first time i got to say it was —— see it was at the top of the elevator. it had 300 tonnes of the elevator. it had 300 tonnes of rocket fuel waiting to go into orbit. that evening, there were three very excited astronauts in the capsule, but i think there were about 3000 very excited students right here at the london science museum to witness that launch. i have subsequently been able to watch the launch party from space, and it was one of the few occasions where i wished i was on the ground because it seemed there was a good party going on back here. after that, i saw this spacecraft every day,
because our docking port was right next to the cup of the window. i a lwa ys next to the cup of the window. i always took a moment to look at it, not just out of fondness for the accra, but this thing is our lifeboat for six months, our only way of getting back to earth safely. and the soyuz is sat there for six months, exposed to the vacuum of space, b radiation, small meteorite, and so it is prudent to visually inspect it each day to make sure everything is ok. one of the most demanding phases for a spacecraft, it is of course, is to return the crew safely through the earth's atmosphere. although this module has been refurbished, i was delighted to see that it still bears the scorch marks of the 1600 celsius punishment
the spacecraft takes as it re—entered the earth's atmosphere. and you can see the scorch marks on there. this thing went through a really turbulent ride as it re—entered. there is a select band of people who have been into space and have travelled in one of the soyuz capsules before. i am joined by one, helen sharman. you went up in1991. by one, helen sharman. you went up in 1991. this must bring back some real memories. it is fabulous to see a spacecraft that has really been to space. rarely do space astronauts get to see their own. it is often just before launch date, and then once you are in space, of course. you can see on the outside that it has really been through all that turmoil and turbulence as it comes back through the atmosphere. very special. we have your spacesuit on display, and now they have purchased
the capsule for an undisclosed amount — why is it important to get objects like this on display for the public? why do it? it is a piece of history, but it ties us very closely toa history, but it ties us very closely to a person who sat inside it for the launch and the landing. if you imagine what has happened inside that spacecraft, how tim must‘ve been feeling, and looking at all the science, technology and engineering that goes into creating notjust the capsule but the whole aspect of making space flight possible. it is hugely inspirational. helen, thank you very much. the public will be able to see this soon. it forms part of the permanent collection here. the last time tim saw this was back in kazakhstan. it must have been
quite an emotional moment for him to actually see it this morning, too. the public will get a chance to clap eyes on it later on today. thank you, rebecca. georgejohnson — the last surviving member of the famous dambusters raid — was only in his early 20s when he and the rest of bomber command squadron 617 embarked on the perilous mission to destroy dams in germany in 1943. his job was to aim the bouncing bombs, circling each dam in his lancaster 10 times until certain the position was right. every attempt to improve the aim increased the risk, and many of his friends were killed that night. last year george — who everyone callsjohnny — was passed overfor a knighthood after being nominated for his charity work and service to the country. today his friend carol vorderman is going to parliament — along with gulf war veteran john nicol — in a campaign to get that decision changed.
i metjohnny last summer. i'm ambassador for the royal air force air cadets. it was our 75th anniversary so we had this massive function in bristol. johnny came, and the air cadets absolutely adore him. everybody in the air force adores him. and we just had a wonderful day. since then, because bothjohnny and i live in bristol, we've met a few times and just had a nice time. but i had no idea that he'd been nominated, let alone... so he was nominated... by somebody else. and he didn't appear on the new year's honours and that's when it motivated you to really power behind this petition. absolutely. together with the sun newspaper and i. i had no idea. i thought, this isn't right. and a lot of people don't know the story of the dambusters. they don't know the story. i'm 56, so i was brought up in a generation where we were told stories about world war ii, because many of our fathers had fought in world war ii.
so it was a part of my growing up. but what i found over the last three weeks, so many young people don't know. "i didn't realise, it's fantastic. "what an amazing man." you know? so it's as relevant today, after last year and all of the tumultuous things that are happening around the world, it's becoming more relevant, how we fight for peace. tell our audience, for those who want to learn more, what did the dambusters do? tell us about bomber command. dambuster squadron, as it's known, is the 617 squadron. and in may 1943 it was decided that we had to take the war to hitler. so they were in lancaster bombers which flew very low and slow. and this was a bouncing bomb, which was aimed — and designed by barnes wallis — so that they could destroy some of the dams, and therefore a lot of the industrial heartland when the dams burst, which were generating and making aircraft and tanks
and machinery and so on, which were obviously servicing hitler and his armies and forces. so the dambusters raid, it was an outrageous thought, an absolutely outrageous thought. many aircraft took off, and sadly not so many came back, and they managed to destroy three dams and damage another. 133 aircrew took off that night. 55 were killed. 77 returned in total. three were captured as prisoners of war. and of those 77, only 45 survived the war within bomber command. bomber command was made up of a number of squadrons, including 617 squadron. and bomber command was the military unit that suffered the most throughout the war. 55,573 souls lost their lives. because of the bombings on certain cities towards the end of the war,
they were snubbed politically when the war was over. and this was felt very deeply by the veterans and their families. it was only in 2012, and i had quite a lot to do with the fundraising for the bomber command memorial. a memorial was erected to those people in green park. sojohnny has said that if he were offered a knighthood, he is a terrifically modest gentleman, that he would accept with due humility on behalf of those in 617 squadron and for the greater bomber command as well. he is the last surviving dambuster. our last surviving dambuster, yes. he's 95. what exactly are you doing today with this petition? john nicol, who is a gulf war veteran, and i, are starting at the bomber command memorial because it's significant that we do. we have this petition, another 32,000 people signed overnight. so please sign, continue to sign!
we will be handing over the petition, but also a new official nomination for an honour at 10 downing st. we will be going from the bomber command memorial to 10 downing st at noon to hand it in. i don't think we will be allowed in, but we are handing it over. thank you very much forjoining us. and the petition remains open after that. ok, so if people want to sign... absolutely, yes. thank you very much. all the best, thank you. next: britain's economy grew by 0.6% in the final three months in 2016 according to figures from the office of national statistics. some economists forecast a slowdown after thejune economists forecast a slowdown after the june referendum. economists forecast a slowdown after thejune referendum. let's speak to andy verity. it is the same as most of the economic news since the referendum, it is on the upsides. ——
on the upside. before the global financial crisis nine years ago, we have had slower growth and it has been more volatile, our pants down, and it was expected that the referendum would cause an economic shock that would slow us down again, but no sign of it so far. the bank of england did various things to try and ameliorate that. i am sure the bank of england would like us to think its actions had avoided any further slowdown, but i think it's mostly further slowdown, but i think it's m ostly d own further slowdown, but i think it's mostly down to the consumer, really. and the consumer being willing to borrow probably unsustainable amounts to sustain spending. most of the growth in these numbers is from the growth in these numbers is from the services sector. which means what? it is having a haircut, getting on public transport, watching tv, all of those things. it is not construction or production.
think of north sea oil etc, getting metal out of the ground. those are relatively small part of the economy. the economy is 80% services anyway, so you want that sector to grow. the concern there has been for yea rs grow. the concern there has been for years is that we have balanced growth which emphasises exports and getting money into the country. instead, we are growing on the same basis we grew before the love of financial crisis, but we're borrowing and spending. thank you very much, andy. coming up. we'll have reaction to donald trump's comments on torture — he says he believes it can work to get information out of terror suspects. we will also have reaction to the figures released in the last half—hour showing that a record number of people killed themselves in jail in number of people killed themselves injail in england and wales last year. the latest news and sport in a moment, after the latest weather. we will start with our weather
watcher pictures, because it is quite grey out there. this was north yorkshire. there are a few breaks in the cloud in cheshire. some sunshine poking through here. the cold feel is accentuated by the wind. it is a cold, bitter wind coming in from the near continent. the cold across europe has been well documented recently, and it is heading our way. some places will struggle to get above freezing. the breeze has helped to lift the fog out of the way, but we have a lot of low cloud. under the cloud, perhaps a spot or two of light rain, perhaps a flake of snow. most places will be dry but cold, most places hovering around freezing. in the north, a few breaks in the cloud, as we have seen in
cheshire, but the best breaks have been across central and northern parts of scotland. the eastern side sees more clout. —— more cloud. for many of us, it will feel like a subzero day. it feels like minus five celsius, minus six celsius across the north of england. the end of the week is windy, from the south. in the west, changes are taking place. a weatherfront the south. in the west, changes are taking place. a weather front moves in from the atlantic, the breeze picks up, and there will be thicker cloud, outbreaks of rain in northern ireland, western extremities of england and wales, and just getting into scotland as well. pretty chilly
in the north—east, only to celsius in newcastle. —— two celsius. temperatures are up a bit. eight celsius is fairly typical. saturday night into sunday, rain moves across the southern half of the uk. there are questions about the details were sunday. this rain could go further north or south. not set in stone, but the temperatures relatively mild. further north, sunshine and six celsius. hello, it's 10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. in an exclusive interview, raffaele sollecito, who — together with amanda knox — was wrongly imprisoned for the murder of british student meredith kercher, tells this programme he's been living in a
nightmare for ten years. there are many victims in this case. amanda's pa rents, many victims in this case. amanda's parents, my parents, all of our families. patrick's family, patrick himself, the lot of victims, actually. of course, meredith kercher is the first victim. but there are many others made by prosecution mistakes. he has also told us he is hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt after paying legal bills. he will find out this week if he is to achieve compensation from the italian government. and you can watch the whole of that exclusive interview on the victoria derbyshire website. donald trump says "torture works" with terrorists, as theresa may prepares to fly to the us to meet him. when they are chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a christian in the middle east. when isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval times, would i feel strongly about waterboarding ? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. we'll be speaking to moazzam begg, a former guantanamo detainee who says he experienced torture at the hands of the americans, and to a former director
of intelligence at m16 to ask him if torture works. the nspcc tells this programme that if we are to tackle child sex abuse in sport it must be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. we will talk to them in the next hour. good morning. here's annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. good morning. a record number of inmates killed themselves in prisons in england and wales last year, new figures show. the ministry of justice said the —— the world 119 suicides. the number of self harm incidentsjumped suicides. the number of self harm incidents jumped by 13% —— suicides. the number of self harm incidentsjumped by 13% —— 23%.” suicides. the number of self harm incidentsjumped by 13% -- 23%. i am very clear that the levels of violence in our prisons are too high. the levels of self harm are too high. since i becamejustice
secretary i have focused on dealing with this problem. that is why we are investing an extra £100 million, 2500 extra prison officers. the man acquitted of the murder of meredith kercher alongside amanda knox has told this programme that he still has more than 400,000 euros of debt following the case. he said the maximum he can claim from the italian government following the acquittal doesn't cover the cost. this is calculated by the days you spent in prison. but this ordeal didn't last only four years, it lasted for ten years. i was inside this nightmare for ten years. gdp figures for the uk economy, which measure national output, measure national output, have just been released. they cover the fourth quarter of last year from october to december. they're unchanged from 0.6% over the previous three months. economists had forecast a slow—down after the brexit referendum. but strong consumer spending in the
run—up to christmas and expansion of the hotel and restaurant industry is boosted the economy. the us president donald trump says he believes that torture can work to get information out of suspected terrorists. but he says he would seek further advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques such as water—boarding. speaking to the american abc network, mr trump also repeated his pledge to make mexico pay for a wall along its border with the united states. it comes as theresa may travels to the us to become the first world leader to meet the new president. the nspcc is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. the charity points out that it's already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. it also wants to tighten the rules around background checks, with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches working with children. the government will publish a bill today to enable it to invoke article
50 and trigger the process of the uk leaving the european union. the brexit secretary david davis says the bill will be straightforward, although opposition parties will seek to make amendments. the government was forced to draw up the legislation after losing an appeal at the supreme court. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 10:30am. here's some sport now with hugh. good morning. as we said earlier, it really is throwback thursday. venus and serena williams will meet in the final of the australian open. 35—year—old serena powering past her opponent 6—2, 6—1 in 35—year—old serena powering past her opponent 6—2, 6—1injust 35—year—old serena powering past her opponent 6—2, 6—1 injust 15 minutes. for the unseeded croatian, it was the first grand slams sehmi the 18 years, but it wasn't to be in the 18 years, but it wasn't to be in the world number two. she will now attempt to win a record 23rd grand slam singles title. the woman
standing in her way is her older sister, venus. the 13th seed won a match in 13 sets —— in three sets to win herfirst major match in 13 sets —— in three sets to win her first major match since she beat serena in 2009. whenever i'm playing on the court with her, i mean, i'm playing like the best competitor in the game. i don't think i'm trying to change either, you know. i can compete, you know, against any odds. i'm going to do what i can to earn it. i'm not thinking about, oh, what can i do to win, i'm thinking, oh, what can i do to earn it? that's what i can tell you right now, i'm so excited. roger federer has established a two set lead against his swiss compatriot sta n lead against his swiss compatriot stan wawrinka in his semifinal. he bids to win a fifth australian open title. wawrinka is one in the third in that one. a great day for britain's andy lapthorne and partner
david wagner. they won the final against the paralympic champions in straight sets. that was in the men's quads. southampton have reached the first efl cup final since 1979 by beating liverpool 1—0 at anfield last night. a goal up from the first leg, southampton did spend much of the match defending, before shane long booked his side's trip to wembley in added time. amazingly, southampton have reached the final without conceding a single goal in the competition. they will face either hull city or manchester united, who play the match tonight. united, who play the match tonight. united have a lead in that one. we are used to see a white crane on the face of usain bolt, but he definitely won't be smiling this time —— a wide grin. he was disqualified because of his team—mate's doping violation at the beijing games. they say his team—mate tested positive in a free
analysis of samples from the 2008 olympics. they made up after the relay team. as a result, jamaica have been stripped of their gold, meaning he can no longer claim to hold that famous treble — treble. he may get a repeal because carter will appeal to the court of arbitration for sport. the winner of the downhill gold has now withdrawn from today's super g competition. she collided heavily with the crash barriers after she crossed the finish line when she won the downhill gold on the opening day of the world para alpine ski championships in italy. that's all the sport for now. we will have the headlines at 10:30am. thanks, the sport for now. we will have the headlines at10:30am. thanks, hugh. over the past few months on this programme, we've brought you exclusive testimony from former footballers who allege they were sexually abused as young players at clubs across the country. now it's emerged that it's not illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. you heard right — it's not illegal. the nspcc is today demanding that loophole must be closed
by government immediately. the charity also wants to tighten the rules around background checks. wanting the most stringent check compulsory for all coaches working with children. our reporterjim reed joins us now. jim, people will be shocked it's not illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. what does the nspcc want exactly? let's ta ke let's take you through how it works in this country at the moment. the age of consent is 16. but it's also illegal for someone in authority to have sex with a 16 or 17—year—old. but that only applies to certain roles and professions. so for example, a teacher, social worker, someone in a hospital or children's home. it's not across it is only in these named professions. and the nspcc wants that extended?
yes, to cover sports coaches in particular. so it would then be illegal for a football coach to have sex, even consensual sex, with anyone under the age of 18. the nspcc says that should also apply to other roles — people like youth workers. and there's a second change asked for as well? this is a bit more complicated. so this is to do with background checks which show whether someone has a criminal record or has been banned from working with children. if you or a football club, you can have a background check. that should tell you, does this person have a criminal record? are they barred from working with children even if they don't have a criminal record? in 2012, the government relaxed the rule on this. so as things stand, it's now in fact against the law for a local football club to get the most stringent or enhanced check unless that coach is working on their own with kids on a regular basis. they have to be working unsupervised ona they have to be working unsupervised on a regular basis. the nspcc now thinks the government has gone too far.
they want to look into assistant coaches and assistant managers who might not be unsupervised, but do have a lot of contact with kids. they want that loophole closed so it is compulsory for everybody. does this all go far enough? a number of people i've spoken to say absolutely not. one person this morning called this "drivel that will make no real difference". their argument is that this is really tinkering around the edges, and they want a much tougherform of child protection. one idea is mandatory reporting, which we've spoken about on the programme before. the goverment‘s consulting on that measure at the moment. now, that would mean if you are working for a football club and you have a reasonable suspicion that abuse is going on, then you have to report it by law. and the argument is that would change the culture in many organisations. it would be against the law to not report it. that is not the case in this country at the moment, whereas
it is in other countries like australia. ian ackley was the victim of abuse in the 80s by a football coach. he is now one of the people speaking to the fa about child safety. this is what he had to say. this takes a shift in attitude of people. in the way we all think. you can put all the legislation in place that you want to, but unless the attitudes of people and organisations shift dramatically, we are going to be stuck with all the same barriers to make this effective. and what we need to do is make this effective to protect all children today, tomorrow and in the future. what does the government say? what does the government sawm says it has written to all of sport's governing bodies late last year to make the child protection policies as strong as possible. thanks,jim. we can speak to the nspcc‘s lisa mccrindle, who wants the law to be changed, father of two sport playing kids and chair of culture, media and sport committee
damian collins mp, andy wilby, who was abused by his gym coach at 14 years old and has waived his right to anonymity, lisa, protection in sport ends at 16? what currently happens is around those individuals having relationships with 16 and 17—year—olds, what we want to make sure that is the same protections are in place are extended to those working regularly with children who are also able to establish those relationships and potentially abuse them. because a predator working with kids, even with another adult are, can still target children? absolutely. in relation to the 16 and 17—year—olds, extension of the existing laws we think it should be covering a wider group of people, to protect those young people developing intense relationships in sporting and training relationships,
they will have intense relationships, a position of trust which can be abused. just as weak spectators not to do that, we should be applying that two other —— just as teachers are not expected to do that. did you know that legally sports coaches could have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in the care? well, victoria, iwas 16 and 17—year—olds in the care? well, victoria, i was shocked to hear that, too, because well, victoria, i was shocked to hearthat, too, because i think well, victoria, i was shocked to hear that, too, because i think it is wrong. i think anybody looking at that would say that this is clearly a massive loophole that needs to be closed down. it is entirely inappropriate for coaches to have sexual contact with people as young as 16 and 17 years old. are you going to close it down then?” as 16 and 17 years old. are you going to close it down then? i will certainly raise this with the government. i think this should be looked at, and if it acquires a change in legislation we should do that. and criminal checks, which the nspcc is also calling for to be tightened today, before 2012—13 there was a process in which an
aduu there was a process in which an adult who was working regularly with children in the presence of another aduu children in the presence of another adult could be checked. you and the lib dems relaxed that, you stopped that. was that a mistake?” lib dems relaxed that, you stopped that. was that a mistake? i think we have to be careful with this. because i see with my own children involved in grassroots sport, a lot of grassroots sport is delivered by parents, you know, working as coaches and supporting coaches. at that grassroots level, where actually the access to the children is fully supervised, often by multiple adults, in an environment like that, would it be necessary? i think that environment is very different from the sort of environment where we have had this debate and, you know, all. 0r environment where we have had this debate and, you know, all. or is you have had on your programme about abuse in sport, younger people who are part of formal academies and clubs. i think the coaches working in the environment like that, where unsupervised access is more likely to occur, should have those checks
in place. i think we need to look very carefully at the recommendation yannis bcc has made and say, actually, should this be a statutory requirement oran actually, should this be a statutory requirement or an obligation that is placed on the sports and the clubs to make sure that any coach who works for them who is likely or potentially could have unsupervised access is checked in this way. do you accept that even if there are other adults around, a predator can groom children? as i say, when you look at real grassroots sports, and my eight—year—old son plays at the local rugby club, there is a family atmosphere, lots of parents and coaches around. the reality is that a lot of grassroots sport is delivered by volunteers and parents together working on weekend mornings. that is different from a more formal coaching relationship.”
understand the point you're making. it is very different. on the question of bringing in legislation across the board, it will create a huge amount of bureaucracy for community and family run clubs, whereas actually what we want to do is target a structure that is slightly further up the football pyramid, where children are more intensively involved in sport, under the supervision of coaches and away from their families. i think all the proper checks should be done in that situation. should that be enforced by the sport or does it require an across—the—board by the sport or does it require an across—the— board change to legislation, is the question. let me bring in andy. thank you for talking to us. you were groomed and abused by your weight training course when you were 14 and it went on for 18 months. i wonder if you can tell the audience what the impact has been on
your life what you went through. audience what the impact has been on your life what you went throughm has been difficult, leading me to suburb with anxiety and depression. drug and drink problems when i was younger. and it is quite difficult. my kids are getting involved with grassroots sport now, and it's quite difficult to trust that the same thing wouldn't happen to them at some point. what do you think of what the nspcc is calling for today, for these, as they describe them, loopholes to be closed by the government immediately?” loopholes to be closed by the government immediately? i completely agree. anything that can protect children from what i have been through is nothing but a good thing, and the government should be doing everything in their power to make sure children are not abused. do you think that enhancing the checks on those who work with children could lead to fewer volunteers coming forward to help out with their kids'
sports clubs? may be in the short—term, but i see it as a minor inconvenience when it comes to make king sure —— making sure our children are safe. you heard what david said — potentially it could be too bureaucratic and could put people off volunteering. what do you say? those volunteers are already checked. that already happens, the enhanced check. we want to make sure that the most stringent check, a check against those who are barred from working with children, is included. at the moment, the legislation prohibits that. in response, we would be concerned. most of the cases we have heard about recently, and the calls we get on our helpline, demonstrate that abuse doesn't have to take place when you are alone. it is facilitated with the relationships that are established with the child,
and also with the family and carers. because you've established that relationship, the abuse can then ta ke relationship, the abuse can then take place in other settings because the trust is enabled. this won't create additional bureaucracy because those individuals were already being checked. this is an opportunity to protect our children and ensure that the most stringent checks are undertaken on adults so we're not losing opportunities to make sure we are prohibiting those who are barred from working with children. and the, trusting other adults when your kids want to get involved in sport, do you find yourself stopping them doing things because of what you experienced as a teenager? —— andy. because of what you experienced as a teenager? -- andy. the majority of people are not predators, and you do have to trust these things. i would be reluctant to leave them with
anybody unsupervised. thank you for coming on the programme. damian collins, thank you forjoining us. and lisa mccrindle from the nspcc. we'll see what happens and report back for our audience. still to come... a record number of inmates killed themselves in prisons in england and wales last year. we will be to someone wales last year. we will be to someone who knows what it is like to be suicidal in prison. donald trump says torture works and "we have to fight fire with fire." in his first tv interview since becoming us president, he told abc news that he will be consulting with his defence secretary and cia director over whether they should look at using water—boarding, which simulates drowning and is currently banned in the us, and other methods. mr president, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring back waterboarding. .. yeah. and a hell of a lot worse. i would do... i want to keep our country safe. what does that mean? when they are shooting, when they are
chopping off the heads of our people, and other people. when they are chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a christian in the middle east. when isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval times, would i feel strongly about waterboarding? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. now, with that being said, i'm going with general mattis. i'm going with my secretary, because i think i'm going with my secretary, because ithink mike i'm going with my secretary, because i think mike pompeo is going to be phenomenal. i am going to go with what they say. i spoke as recently 24 hours ago with people at the highest level intelligence and asked them the question, does it work? does torture work? the answer was yes, absolutely. you are now the president — do you want waterboarding? i don't want anyone to have their head chopped off in the middle east because they are christian or muslim or anything else. now they chop them off, put them on camera and send them all over the world. we have that and we
are not allowed to do anything. we are not allowed to do anything. we are not allowed to do anything. we are not playing on an even field. i will say this: i will rely on mike pompeo, general matters and my group. if they want to do it, i will work toward that end. i will do what you are allowed to do within the bounds of legality. do i feel it works? absolutely, i feel bounds of legality. do i feel it works? absolutely, ifeel it bounds of legality. do i feel it works? absolutely, i feel it works. i have to bring you this breaking news. the brexit secretary, david davis, has told the commons in reply toa davis, has told the commons in reply to a question about donald trump's remarks on waterboarding colon the british government's stance is playing. we don't condone it under any circumstances whatsoever. it will be interesting to see if theresa may brings it up with donald trump when she meets him. nigel inkster is a former directorfor operations and intelligence at mi6, and is now director of transnational threats and political risk at the international institute for strategic studies intelligence think—tank.
and joining me from londonderry is moazzam begg, a british citizen who was subject to torture and sent to guantanamo bay prison. moazzam begg, can you tell our audience what waterboarding involves, please? yes, of course. waterboarding is a technique first used in a spanish prison. it means water torture, and it means a person is tied down, their hands, legs, head and arms, and water is poured into their mouths and their noses, and they get the sensation of feeling like they are drowning, even though when you go swimming, you can get water in your nose, imagine that for a sustained time. that is what waterboarding is. japanese soldiers who did this during world war ii to
american soldiers were prosecuted for war crimes and were executed. so it is shocking that when the bush administration came along and called it enhanced interrogation techniques, after his advisers said that if there was no organ failure it is not torture. president obama said that the result of that torture had unintended consequences, such as invading iraq. can i ask, what type of torture have you been subjected to? iming dairy and i have been talking to men here —— i am in londonderry. i was put in stress
positions, beating and torture, and psychological torture. the positions, beating and torture, and psychologicaltorture. the result positions, beating and torture, and psychological torture. the result of that was what? did you then tell your interrogators some information that until then you had kept from them? did you tell them what they thought they wanted to hear? what was the result of the torture? the result was that i sign a confession. the bbc made a film recently about that confession. it said i was a member of al-anda. there were threats to my family. the physical torture i enjoyed and underwent, and the threat of being sent to summary trial and being executed. let me bring in nigel, a former employee of mi6. the belief torture works? in one sense, mi6. the belief torture works? in one sense , you mi6. the belief torture works? in one sense, you can say that maybe it does. let's take an example... is
the information you get from torture reliable? that varies. let's take the case of argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s. how did the argentine military crack their opposition? they torture them and once they got all the information they could, they threw them at the back of a hercules over the south atlantic. they did defeat the opposition, but at an awful cost in terms of the society, which still bears the scars. to say that torture works is a bit like saying that slavery works as a model of economic production. it is not the conversation we ought to be having. what do you think donald trump suggesting that waterboarding, the ban on waterboarding, may be reversed? he has cunningly qualified it by saying he would support the
director of the cia and the defence secretary if they asked for it. i knowjames matias secretary if they asked for it. i know james matias by secretary if they asked for it. i knowjames matias by reputation. he isa knowjames matias by reputation. he is a thoughtful, educated man who took 6000 books with him to iraq to read. i don't know mike pompeo but he comes across as intelligent and accomplished. i would he comes across as intelligent and accomplished. iwould be he comes across as intelligent and accomplished. i would be surprised if in the cia the first thing they say to the incoming directories, we need get back to waterboarding. the way to deal with this problem of isis and al-qaeda is not by using this sort of technique. in the case of cally sheikh mohammed... this sort of technique. in the case of cally sheikh mohammed. .. the mastermind of the 911. this is a man who had information that was not available. what you really need is good, comprehensive intelligence,
good, comprehensive intelligence, good forensics, forensics that enable you to identify and prosecute the perpetrators of specific terrorist attacks, and intelligence thatis terrorist attacks, and intelligence that is pre—empted. we are not so interested in what people were doing la st interested in what people were doing last week. the intelligence services need to know what they will be doing next week, and the best way to do thatis next week, and the best way to do that is to get agents on the inside and get across communication leaks. moazzam begg, if the ban is reversed in terms of torture methods in the united states, could that backfire in terms of propaganda material for members of isis? you like two things quickly. first, yes, because you saw that isis dresses victims in orange suits, and there were allegations that isis members had waterboarded some of their captives. second, let's look at the 2003 invasion of iraq, which was based on the torture ofa man iraq, which was based on the torture of a man who was a cia dk knee held
in egypt, when he give a false confession that al-qaeda was working with saddam hussein on weapons of mass destruction. colin powell took that information to the un security council to argue for war in iraq, and the rest is history. as a result of that, we got isis incrementally. thank you for your time, moazzam begg, and nigel inkster. still to come... deaths and incidences of self—harm and assault are on the rise in our prisons. we'll be talking to a former prisoner who was suicidal when incarcerated, and the ex—offender who helped him, next. also coming up... we hearfrom the man known as "the spielberg of video games", and get his vision of the future of gaming. with the news, here's annita in the bbc newsroom. good morning.
new figures show that a record number of inmates killed themselves in prisons in england and wales last year. the ministry ofjustice says there were 119 suicides — the highest number since records began in 1978. the number of self—harm incidents jumped by 23%, and assaults rose by 31% on the previous year. i'm very clear that the levels of violence in our prisons are too high. the levels of self harm are too high. since i becamejustice secretary, i focused on too high. since i becamejustice secretary, ifocused on dealing too high. since i becamejustice secretary, i focused on dealing with this problem. that's why we're investing in extra £100 million, 2500 extra prison officers across the estate. raffaele sollecito, who was acquitted of meredith kercher‘s murder alongside amanda knox, has told this programme he still has a debt of more than 400,000 euros following the case. he said the maximum he can claim from the italian government doesn't cover the cost. this is calculated by the number of
days you spend in prison. but this ordeal didn't last only for four yea rs, ordeal didn't last only for four years, it lasted ten years. i was inside this nightmare the ten years. gdp figures, which measure national output, show the uk economy grew by 0.6% during the fourth quarter of last year. the figure is unchanged from the previous three months. some economists had forecast a slow—down after the brexit referendum, but strong consumer spending in the run—up to christmas and expansion of the hotel and restaurant industries boosted the economy. the us president donald trump says he believes that torture can work to get information out of suspected terrorists. speaking to the american abc network, he said he would seek further advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques such as water—boarding. but i have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest
level of intelligence, and i asked them the question, does it work? does torture work? and the answer was, yes, absolutely. the nspcc has told this programme it wants it to be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. in an exclusive interview, the charity pointed out it was already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17—year—olds in their care. it's also calling for the rules around background checks to be tightened — with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches working with children. that's a summary of the latest news, join me for bbc newsroom live at 11am. here is he with the latest sport. good morning. it has been a big day for the williams family. venus and serena both made the final at the australian open. venus took three sets to beat the fellow american and rich herfirst three sets to beat the fellow american and rich her first grand slam since 2009, when she beat her
younger sister serena. she reaches her 34th majorfinal younger sister serena. she reaches her 34th major final inside younger sister serena. she reaches her 34th majorfinal inside one hour. meanwhile, roger federer leads by 2—1 against swiss compatriot stan wawrinka. wawrinka took the third set 6—1, things may be about to turn around. a break each so far in the fourth. southampton boss has stretched the importance of playing in europe. and britain's millie knight, who won bown hill gold in the world pal back alpine ski championships —— the world para alpine ski championships will not compete today after injuring her leg. that's all the sport for now, i will be back after 11am. the brexit secretary david davies is
publishing a bill today which will allow the government to invoke article 50 of the lisbon treaty to begin the formal process of leaving the eu. norman smith is at westminster. we are beginning to get a clearer idea of what brexit will look like. it will get published shortly. this bill will kick—start the whole process. later this morning, the government will tell us how quickly they want it through the commons. and in the next few days we expect to get this white paper setting out mrs may's approach to negotiations. a good time to step back and see mrs may is doing in delivering brexit. well, this week she may have been a bit down in the dumps. because of firstly the judges, the supreme court ruling saying that mps had to have a vote before we can begin the process to leave the eu, not what mrs may wanted. and then we have the brexit
plan. she was forced to climb down over her opposition to a white paper, the paper setting out the goverment‘s formal approach to the negotiations. lastly, tory rebels. the signs are there maybe 12, maybe up the signs are there maybe 12, maybe up to 20 tory mps who are quite happy to cause her problems over brexit, when she has only got a majority of around 16. on the other hand, she might be feeling quite glad that things are really going rather well. why? well, first off, labour is split. labour or at sixes and sevens over brexit. jeremy corbyn hasn't managed to forge a united position for his party, and his mps haven't really been able to say whether they are going to oppose article 50 or support it, what their sta nce article 50 or support it, what their stance is on immigration. that is a pretty big plus for mrs may. then there are fears about peers. the house of lords could cause all sort of trouble. but you sense that members of the house of lords or a bit frightened. they don't want to do that because it would be
unelected peers in effect spinning in the face of the referendum, and what people had voted for. lastly, there's people power. mrs may can keep coming back and saying, well, this is what the electorate voted for in the referendum. i have a mandate for delivering brexit. one final thought, victoria. we focus a lot on what happens in this place, but at the end of the day, whether brexit is a success or not may depend just as much on what happens on the other side of the channel, what sort of deal the other 27 eu countries are prepared to cut us. thank you very much, norman. the ministry ofjustice has released its quarterly figures on prison statistics in england in wales. they show that 119 prisoners took their own life last year — a record number. there were also record numbers of self harm incidents. what are some of the initiatives that put well—being over punishment?
alongside punishment, anyway. one of the most successful schemes is the samaritans‘ listeners service, where prisoners are trained to provide emotional support by becoming listeners. many prisoners say the power of peer led initiatives is that it gives the mutual respect and a purpose to talk things through with somebody who has been through it themselves. let‘s talk to michael owen, he is in belfast. he went to jail in 2007 for a drug trafficking offence. he says he felt like killing himself on a number of occasions until he was able to confidentially talk to a fellow inmate through one of these peer schemes. and we have got that man here, mick hall, who michael says saved his life. mikel to michael and many others. for years on, they still write to each other and plan to meet up for a pint. welcome, both of you. also with us is frances crook, chief executive of the howard league for penal reform. that beget
your reaction, francis, to the figures released this morning? it's a national scandal, and we should all be shocked. the suicide rate in prisons is ten times that in the community. prisoners so why prisons or actually killing people. that shouldn‘t happen in our prisons. people should at least be safe. too many men, women and teenagers take their own lives in prisons. that somebody every three days taking their own life, mostly by hanging, not always. so something has to be done to save lives. of course, the other side to it is that people die from so—called natural causes, where perhaps they might have survived if they had been in the community. that is somebody dying from so—called natural causes every single in prison. michael, when you went to jail in 2007, it was the first time this has happened to you. tell us what led to you feeling suicidal? well, first of all it was the actual
thing, you lose hope, you have this feeling of hopelessness comes across you. and then you have so many different factors to deal with in prison, the pressures are really, really, really high. i mean, as irving james once said, people will never understand the strength and courage it takes to get through imprisonment. it could be anything that triggers this. at that time, whenever i met nick, i had just been sentenced. my father wasn't very well. and i was in a certain bit of trouble with some of the officers on the wing. and ijust had this overwhelming feeling of hopelessness. and there was no way out. and i was standing, leaning on the landing one date with sort of my head in my hands, and mixjust came over and head in my hands, and mixjust came overand said, are head in my hands, and mixjust came over and said, are you a cake, big lad? and i said, i'm not, actually. we went to had a cup of tea and we took it from that. mix, from your point of view? yes, when people
first come to prison, it's not how you see on the telly. on the news programmes, and in dramas. and the way of dealing with things in everyday life is totally different. and you're not really taught this. they have, they have induction processes that you go through. but even that isn't real life situations. and, you know, the prison officers haven't got time to cope with what's happening to each individual prisoner outside of life. how did you help michael? well, talking, basically. helping the sort of come eu no, he didn't have any specific problems, i think he had just more or less started to be a friend. i've probably got a weird
sense of humour, so i might have cracked a fewjokes to break the ice. he is smiling at you saying that! we just went on to become friends. there were things may be that he didn't understand about how to organise things, and papped i was able to help him with that. -- perhaps i was able to help. michael, he says perhaps he was able to help, how would you describe it was greg —— how would you describe it? present—day structures you, and you lose your identity as a person, your identity as a man —— prison the structures you. i didn't know how to deal with myself, and mikel to me do that. we started doing a writing course and working on the prison radio together. i was lucky enough whenever i ended up back in northern ireland i became a listener myself, i was able to pass on the knowledge on the experiences that mike had taught me. because i've lived
through it and i'd walked the walk of these experiences, i was able to help other people. and it was so rewarding and it gave me a sense of purpose. i'd just like to take this opportunity in public just purpose. i'd just like to take this opportunity in publicjust to say thanks, mate, you know, you turned my life around, you know. cheers, mate. there's not a lot we can say about that, is the? it's real, and special, you know. this is the first time we've sort of really spoken about it. our only conversations and our friendship doesn't really come, from my point of view, from saving lives or anything, you know, so, thanks very much for that. it's all right. of course, there will be some people who say, if you don‘t want to go through the prison system then don‘t do that crime in the first play. don‘t do that crime in the first play- -- don‘t do that crime in the first play. —— in the first place. why
should people have sympathy for inmates who are having a bad time? we could really get into a whole different field here. the old adage of any person in prison is innocent, there is an awful lot of people in prison that shouldn't be there, which is a different conversation maybe for a different day. what do you say to that, francis? we don't send people to die, and yet that is exactly what is happening. and there are many, many people, many thousands of people who shouldn‘t be imprisoned. many people who are sent there on remand by the courts who are found not guilty war who are not given a prison sentence. we‘ve also had sentence inflation. 20 years ago we‘d send somebody to prison for eight years, now we‘d send them there for 15 or 20, and there is no evidence that that makes anybody safer. it takes away hope, it means that prisons are in a terrible overcrowded state, the rotten of staff. they are rat infested, people
aren‘t getting enough food —— they‘re not enough staff. we inspect a miracle to happen, but they fester more crime than they solve. we are creating huge problems for ourselves and people are dying as a result. mix, tell us about person that you helped to save, effectively, by helping them fill out a form? this was a guy about my age. i was asked to speak to him one night because he wouldn‘t interact with anybody, not even the staff. he wouldn‘t come out for meals and things like that. they asked if i would speak to him to see if i could find out what the problem was. at first, he was very aggressive, in that he didn‘t want to speak to me or to be that he didn‘t want to speak to me
orto be —— that he didn‘t want to speak to me or to be —— for me to be there. the prison was in lockdown. i said, i won‘t be able to go anywhere for a couple of hours, so i willjust sit. after a while, we started talking. he wasn‘t getting any visit from his family, because the system says you have to fill in a form and ask permission for a visiting order, basically an application for the family to come and visit, but the family to come and visit, but the family can‘t say, for instance, wildlife can say to me, i want to come and visit you. i have to send her a request and she filled it in. because he couldn‘t read or write, he couldn‘t do that, so his family couldn‘t come to see him, he couldn‘t come to see him, he couldn‘t explain why. you were in a certain amount of money each week, you are given an allowance, and you have to put this on to a canteen list, and you can put so much money on the phone so you use the paper. he didn‘t know how to fill the forms
in, so he couldn‘t even phone his family and explain his situation. he couldn‘t bring himself to tell anybody, so... he was embarrassed, as shane? yes. and he didn't want people to see this weakness in him. he eventually went on to read and write. what made me feel good was when i stood up a few months later, i was teaching the sky to read and write, and i heard him do a reading in church. gosh, you will make me cry. blimey! what is your message to liz truss? i had a good meeting with the justice secretary yesterday, and
i think she has plans in place to deal with some of the problems. she is recruiting more staff... it will ta ke is recruiting more staff... it will take time. it will. prison officers are not paid much and they are giving very little training, and it isa giving very little training, and it is a profession. immediately, we have to get prison numbers down because there are not the staff to deal with them, and you can't ask other prisoners to do this. it is not theirjob. it is great that there are listeners supported by the samaritans, but it ought to be staffed. the only solution is to get the numbers down. the howwood league has suggested simple ways we can get those numbers down and change prisons so that they can serve a real purpose. then when you have prisoners properly trained to help other prisoners, they will have the time and support to do it. prisons can work, but they are really not at the moment. i have this breakdown of
the moment. i have this breakdown of the numbers and which prisons have the numbers and which prisons have the highest number of self—inflicted deaths. woodhilljail the highest number of self—inflicted deaths. woodhill jail near milton keynes, with seven people. and it is 18 in the last four years. and seven in one year. and it is relatively new. the government is building lots of new prisons, but they don't themselves solve the problem. new buildings aren't the answer. it is not the buildings that are the problem, it's the overcrowding in the system. the system is in crisis because it is crumbling. thank you very much. thank you for talking to us, really appreciate it. mike, it is so good to hear you and make talking to each other. —— you and
mick. let‘s remind you of those figures that we broke earlier on britain‘s recent economic performance — the economy grew by 0.6% in the final three months of last year and by 2% over 2016, that‘s according to figures just released by the office for national statistics. economists had forecast a slow—down after the brexit referendum. in the last few minutes, the chancellor philip hammond has been speaking. here it is. the figures today, which are very good, show the resilience of the uk economy, and they pointed a bright future we have as we go into this period of negotiation with the european union based on the very clear agenda that the prime minister set out last week. next we‘re talking about the man described by some as the spielberg of the video gaming world. hideo kojima is the brains behind the top—selling metal gear series that inspired a style of game that many of today‘s bestselling titles are replicating.
radio 1 newsbeat reporter steffan powell has been given rare behind the scenes access to his new studio in tokyo, where mr kojima is planning on changing the industry once again. once again. he is not one to rest on his laurels, hideo kojima. people may be don‘t know who he is, but 30 yea rs may be don‘t know who he is, but 30 years ago, games were all about fighting people, then he came along and made one about sneaking around instead. since then, through lots of innovation and lots of ideas since, that basic principle has been replicated time and again ever since. he has won pretty much every major lifetime achievement award in gaming. when he speaks, the industry listens, so we were lucky to have a tour and listens, so we were lucky to have a tourand him listens, so we were lucky to have a tour and him talking us through some of the significant places in his recent history. what did he say about his future, the future? anyone
who plays games, theirfuture. if you are sat at home watching downton abbey, he wants to have this in place where you can stop watching and start playing it and vice versa, if you could be playing a game... playing a downton abbey game? you like it is more than that, it is an experience merged into one. instead of me explaining it, here is what the man himself said. translation: things such as games, music, novels and movies, and all these things will kind of mesh together into one type of entertainment. as you can see, he is talking about the idea where things are merging together. he is working on a big secret game that we don‘t know much about. he is suggesting that this sort of thing will already be coming when that one is released in the next couple of years. healy is explaining that. translation: we want this game to be something that people can get into very easily,
but after they play it for about an hour or two, they start to notice something a little different. it's something that they haven't played before. the idea is that the industry change will happen soon. you could be sat at home playing a move me —— a movie or watching a game. elle osili—wood is in brisbane and helen gould is in london, and they‘re both gamers. i‘m ellie gould. i'm ellie gould. sorry! where is helen? in london! my fault. he is a rock star in the gaming world, this
quy: rock star in the gaming world, this guy, fill us in anotherfive. rock star in the gaming world, this guy, fill us in another five.” interviewed him on stage at a big gaming event at earls court a few yea rs gaming event at earls court a few years ago and it was like madonna had arrived. he has people there and the gamers get very excited. he really is a rock star of games. years arguably a genius. he created one of the most popular franchises in gaming history, and one of the most innovative, metal gear solid, with an amazing plot, characters and ideas. he is responsible for landmark innovations in video games. what do you want the future to hold in terms of video gaming? we're looking for games to improve. there are some fast big games at the moment that are really immersive, which focus on storytelling through
music and graphics, and i think that is what will really stand out when we think of games as a medium, as an artform. it will have to be a fantastic, immersive experience. helen, he talked about the limitations of virtual reality, didn‘t he? do you agree with what he had to say? at the moment, i would say i have too, because at the minute, it is very difficult for developers to make virtual reality games that have a continuous narrative. a lot of the stuff that is out there is based on getting the player used to this strange new reality they are in and working out, my hand is here, this is what i have to do. i don't know if there has been any long immersive things in the way that l was saying. i think
it would be interesting to see virtual reality go that way, but it has a long way to go. do you agree? yes, for me, it is a bit like a roller—coaster. it is amazing experience, a real novelty. it is great for about four minutes. after that, at the moment, you want to get off and you probably feel a bit sick. the challenge is to create something that is actually a game and not a novelty, a world you want to be in. you want to follow a story, a narrative arc. it is about the sustainability of the narrative, for sure. he has come under fire for his portrayal of women in games — do you sense he is trying to address that? i hope so. definitely, it's fairto that? i hope so. definitely, it's fair to say that metal gear has lots
of girls with big boots and so forth. all the big studios thought, what we need for the teenage boys is half naked women. he is a huge industry figure and there is huge excitement about his next project, soi excitement about his next project, so i hope he uses his platform to have an in —— a more inclusive and empowered version of women. people ask about gender issues in gaming — is it still an issue? you like it is, like an awful lot of things. it is, like an awful lot of things. it is changing, and changing because more women are making games, and because more men making games are taking the issues more seriously, and their responsibility more seriously, and hopefully we will see a shift. when? tomorrow at about
4:30pm! thank you. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. we‘ll be back tomorrow at 9am. a cold day today. that will be accentuated by the wind. a significant wind—chill factor across many parts of the uk. the odd spot of drizzle, may be some snow but most areas drive. sunshine for southern and western counties through the afternoon. the best of
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theresa may vows to renew the uk‘s special relationship with the us as she leaves downing street for face—to face talks with donald trump. the new us president has said he believes torture methods of terrorism suspects including waterboarding work and that the us should "fight fire with fire". isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval times. would i feel strongly about water boarding? as far as i‘m concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. mexico‘s president rebuffs claims from the new us administration that his country will pay for a wall. also, paving the way to begin the brexit process. the government is to publish legislation today which allows it to trigger article 50 and begin britain‘s exit from the european union. the uk economy grew by 0.6% during the fourth quarter of last