then, fundamentally, i think it is important to emphasise that in his inauguration speech, he hasn't emphasised the value of human rights, democracy, of liberal order, which is really another fundamental the global order, as we have built that, together with the united states. his brief comments on torture just prove that he is ready to really question fundamental principles. the historian simon scheme is here, alongside ted malloch, who is widely tipped for a role in the trump administration — possibly as ambassador to the european union. you don't have any news for us? maybe next week. simon, you have taken to social media and coined the rhyme theresa the appeaser. anything to appease your fears today? not particularly. the spectacle of them holding hands, actually, doesn't in any rational way speak to your question, it did turn my stomach somewhat. we don't know that it
didn't turn hers. the fear that she is cosying up to a regime that may prove to be, as an historian, may stand comparison with other 20th—century horrors, are you stepping back? i think scary authoritarian regimes, not to inaccurately paraphrase, are scary and authoritarian each in their own way. i think this is starting to look incredibly scary and authoritarian. particularly, actually, banning the possibility of the environmental protection agency delivering data to the public. all sorts of things, i think, are serious. but the most worrying part of all, which does not speak to the authoritarian issue, but something more loopy, is his lack of contact with reality.
today, he doubled down on the extraordinary assertion that between three million and five million illegal immigrant votes were cast. it is absolutely, this was actually delivered to a reception in which, the first reception he had with congressional leaders, there were treated to being harangued on this fantastic story, with no evidence whatsoever. he is starting an investigation into an election he won! this is beyond absurd. there are three adjectives there that i will pick up on, absurd, scary and authoritarian. do you recognise what he describes? none of the above. where would you like me to start? the voter fraud allegations, the democrats swung 3 million illegal votes, but not put them anywhere that would win an election? well, let's have an investigation, if somebody has evidence...
the evidence comes from greg phillips! you have the investigation and come to the conclusions afterwards. we have an investigation into russian hacking and find out the truth. hopefully we have empirical evidence, rather than dismissing them out of hand. why not look at them? even on the liberal left, we are willing to look at actual facts. empirical evidence, obviously... i'm a social scientist. so climate change is on the table? people have different points of view. we are talking about empirical data? 10% of hard scientists have some questions. let me draw the conversation out, if i may, and look at whether or not you feel, as somebody that clearly donald trump holds in high regard,
that we are at a pivotal point in western history? i think we are at a turn in western history. obviously we have had a change from one regime to another regime, so you have that. but you also have a more national orientated and more populist orientated political caste. notjust in the united states, in many countries around the world. maybe a new order is beginning to appear. nationalist, populist, they are not new ideas? well, in this form, this time, yes. frankly, are there any new ideas since plato? we could have that debate. nationalism and populism rarely lead to harmony. lead to harmony? well, there are different
kinds of nationalism, different kinds of populism. america first, let's take that slogan. do you know who used the term first? well, wilson? but it was reprehensible when he used it. maybe when lindbergh used it it was more reprehensible. lindbergh was an appeaser. he was soft on the nazis. it is an irony that trump has moved churchill back into his office, who detested everything about the slogan and what america first stood for. but he needed america to help save britain at a certain point in time. trump is not intellectually connected with that wonderful litany of intellectual history. he is interested in literally putting america first, re—establishing america's place
in the world, america's economy. that is the thing to underscore. he got elected on a platform that said the middle class has suffered for at least 15 years. not just the last eight years, but it has suffered and it needs to come back. why is he proposing a tax cut that will benefit, hugely and disproportionally, the top 1%? you know about supply—side economics, it has worked before. it hasn't. it worked forjohn kennedy, it worked for ronald reagan and it could work this time. in four years we could have a balanced budget. we had a balanced budget under bill clinton. newt gingrich was the head of congress and they did it together. i'm interested in the distinction between literally and seriously. it has been a recurring theme. you take him seriously, but not literally. you have always taken him literally?
i think you could taking either way and people obviously have. he's president now, he is not campaigning. that is true. there should be some difference, you know. have you seen any yet? in five days, i think we are beginning to... i think we saw some of it today, in the meeting under the summit with theresa may. thank you both. are you seeing any cause for cautious optimism, or a delusion of pessimism? no. thank you very much indeed. let's look at the papers. no prizes for guessing what is on the front pages. i will keep you in suspense. there is a prize for guessing. something else, now, to end. it was 1974, on a struggling local american tv channel. a little known reporter shot herself on live television, apparently claiming it was a protest
against the drive for blood and guts reporting. as with every suicide, the answers to why she did it are likely more complex and christine chubbock had struggled with longstanding mental health issues. a new film, christine, is out today — and charts the days leading up to that awful moment, captured on live tv. katie razzall went to meet its leading actor, rebecca hall. broadcast in real—time, live tv is almost old hat in the era of social media. but as a way of recounting world events as they happen, it can be dramatic, compelling and uncontrollable. anything can happen. i'm a reporter at wzrb and i'm always on the lookout... in 1974 in sarasota, florida, the worst did, when a local television reporter who suffered long—term mental health issues shot herself live on—air, claiming it was a protest at being asked to sensationalise thejournalism she held dear. i have to do different work.
we need higher ratings. she is, in some small sense, famous on the internet, as being one of the sort of top ten most shocking things that ever happened on live television. because she took her life on live tv. she said, "in keeping with the network's desire for blood and guts television, here's a first — an attempted suicide." it's an act of terrorism, almost, in that sense. she is making it political, and she is making a comment on the thing that she very much didn't want to do. she was someone who was under constant pressure from the higher ups, in this small network, to create juicy reporting if she was going to be successful. it's believed only a few hundred people watched christine chubbuck‘s death live on tv. the nature of the internet means these days suicides live on facebook have been watched by people around the world. i think if it happened now,
i think it would be inescapable. and that is actually rather disturbing to think about. i suppose it's true that now people do kill themselves on facebook live, and they have difficulties getting the material off, their relatives. well, exactly. and one shouldn't have access to that footage, one shouldn't see it. in the film, she says, "can you record this?" so there is a tape, right? is that what you understand? there's a tape somewhere? i understand there's a tape, and i also understand that the family went to court and got it from the station and destroyed it. there's a lot of rumour and speculation about it. i don't really want to get into that. i don't think anyone should see that and we should respect the family's wishes and leave it alone. otherwise it is grisly and sensationalistic and our interest in her is wrong. it a simple concept, guys. if it bleeds, it leads. there's a reason this idea is catching fire in the culture right now. but he...
they didn't show that, they cut out just before. they didn't have the guts to show the whole thing. they could have doubled their ratings. the equivalent now would be clickbait. what's the most shocking way you can describe a story so that someone will click on it and read the article? so that you get more ratings, or whatever term you want to put in it. i pledge to you tonight, from this office, that i will do everything in my power to ensure that the guilty are brought to justice... it's like, the 1970s were, in many respects, the golden age ofjournalism. watergate, etc, etc. but also, you've got, for the first time, there is extreme violence in people's homes, on television, because of the vietnam war. and it really is, i think there are so many things that are conflating, and christine's story sort of becomes emblematic of in many ways. the fact that she asked for her show to be video taped that day indicates to me premeditation. she's plotting something.
clearly, is a timely story because notjust hall's christine, but another film about chubbuck debuted at last year's sundance film festival. no, no, not the tape of the suicide, but anything at all... i always think the thing about any piece of drama that's set in another time is it says something about the time in which it's set, but it arguably says something even more significant about the time the decision to make it was. and, you know, when i think of 1974 in america, and i have read a lot around this in preparation for this film, there's a real sense of... paranoia and uncertainty about where the world's going. you're coming out of the 60s with a sense of, you know, the stakes are life—and—death, where are we going, what's happening and how is the world shifting? i don't think that audiences right now are going to have a hard time relating to that sensibility.
as you know, i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. we need to be vigilant, and the way that we do that is through the press, and for it to be properjournalism that delivers us the information that we need in order to have a functioning democracy. can you get gayle? i thought she was meant to get some fresh flowers? yeah, i told her to, it must have slipped her mind. it slipped her mind? well, i can't think about anything else, sorry, so you're going to have to... someone get some fresh flowers. for better or worse, christine was a harbinger for a lot of things that we still, as a society, have a rough time talking about. suicide, mental health. ultimately, it's quite easy to humanise characters who do virtuous things.
even characters who have awful things happen to them, and are victims of things, but remain essentially good. it's crucial for artists to humanise people that we'd rather look away from, or would ratherjust not really deal with. you know, put that person in a box and just label it monster, crazy or whatever, and let's just not think about it. that's the reason to make this film. hello. this is bbc news. our top
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