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some news just some newsjust in. donald trump has fired sally eight, the acting attorney general. she was unconvinced the travel restrictions we re unconvinced the travel restrictions were legal. a white house statement has accused her of betraying the justice department. the restrictions, banning travellers from seven countries from entering the us, have prompted protests worldwide. canadian police have a charged french—canadian student over the shooting dead of six muslim worshippers at a mosque in quebec. alexandre bissonnette faces six counts of first—degree murder and five of attempted murder. five people remain in a critical condition following the attack on sunday. british mps are to conduct an inquiry into fake news on social media. they will consider what it defines as stories of uncertain provenance and accuracy, examining where they come from, how they spread, and their impact on democracy. now it is time for a look back at the day in westminster. hello, and welcome to monday in parliament —
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our look at the day at westminster. our top stories: the foreign secretary says all british passport holders will be able to travel to the united states, despite president trump's travel ban. this executive order will make no difference to any british passport holder, irrespective of their country of birth or whether they hold another passport. but despite borisjohnson describing the policy as "wrong", opposition mps say he's not going far enough reacting to the policy. this order was signed on holocaust memorial day. for the sake of history, for heaven's sake, have the guts to speak out. also tonight — concerns the closure ofjobcentre plus buildings may not take into account local issues. can my honourable friend assure me
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that those who have put forward the proposals have indeed visited places such as the calder valley to understand the demographics and geography, or have theyjust sat in their offices in whitehall using google maps? the foreign secretary has told the commons that president trump's travel ban on refugees from syria and citizens from seven mainly muslim countries will make "no difference" to anyone with a british passport. borisjohnson said the policy was divisive and wrong. but labour have accused the government of being slow to react. the general principle is that all british passport holders remain welcome to travel to the us. we have received assurances from the us embassy that this executive order will make no difference to any british passport holder, irrespective of their country of birth or whether they hold another passport. this order was issued at 9.45 on friday, uk time. it then took number 10 until midnight on saturday, a full 27 hours later,
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to say that they would consider the impact on uk nationals. it then took the prime minister until sunday morning to tell the foreign secretary to telephone the white house and took him until midday on sunday to call the travel ban divisive and wrong. that is 38 hours, mr speaker, to have the courage to say what everyone else was saying on friday night. we have an exemption for uk passport holders, whether you're dual nationals or otherwise. and i think most fair—minded people would say that that actually showed the advantages of working closely with the trump administration. the advantage of having a relationship that enables us to get our point across. without a thought to the context, on holocaust memorial day, president trump issued an executive order to ban those born in seven
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predominantly muslim countries from entering the usa. including, and i quote, those "bad dudes" who are actually the real victims of violence who are fleeing the conflict in syria. this action is inhumane, it's racist, and it's immoral. hear, hear! and i welcome the fact, mr speaker, that this house is now treating the threats posed by president trump with the seriousness that it deserves. i have already made my views about this. i don't see... it is up to members of the house of commons if they wish to exhaust the wells of outrage. the denunciation of this policy — i've made my position clear. i made it clear yesterday. i said it was wrong to... i said it was wrong to promulgate policies that stigmatise people on the basis of their nationality, and i believe that very profoundly. mr trump is what we might call a known unknown. we know that he will do and say unpredictable things, and often just as quickly abandon those positions.
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he will learn as he goes along. and what we have to remember is that our security and that of europe depends on the atlantic alliance. this is notjust about the impact on british citizens. one of our closest allies has chosen to ban refugees and target muslims. and all he can say is that, well, it wouldn't be our policy. that is not good enough. has he urged the us administration to lift this order, to help refugees, and to stop targeting muslims? this order was signed on holocaust memorial day. for the sake of history, for heaven's sake, have the guts to speak out. as they say, it is open to mps on all sides of the house to come forward with yet fresh expressions of outrage
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about the presidential executive order. i have made my views... loud debate and they are entitled to it. ishare... i share the widespread disquiet, and i have made my views absolutely clear. i've said that it is divisive, and said it is wrong, and i've said that it stigmatises people on grounds of nationality. but what i will not do... what i will not do, which is what i think the party opposite would do, is disengage from conversations with our american friends and partners in such a way as to do material damage to the interests of uk citizens. given our new—found closeness with the trump administration, what plans does my right honourable friend have to try and persuade the administration after the 90 days to abandon what, to many, is a despicable and immoral policy? and would my right honourable friend
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agree, in paraphrasing a far wiser president, john f. kennedy, that those that ride on the back of a tiger end up inside it? well said, burnsey! sir simon burns. the condemnation of donald trump's actions continued into the evening after the speaker granted an emergency debate. it was requested by the former labour leader ed miliband, who said the travel ban brought to mind the actions of "tin pot dictatorships". also sponsoring the debate was the conservative nadhim zahawi, who was born in iraq and who was personally affected by the restrictions. the only way of understanding this ban when you look at it, mr speaker, is that it does represent the suspension of reason and rationality. indeed, it has perversity, discrimination and divisiveness at its heart. i'm always grateful to my right honourable friend, but one of the key aspects is the dramatic
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affect it has on those who had boarded aircraft ready to go to the united states with valid visas, only to arrive and being told that they have to go back. it is that physical, that emotional effect that is the most damning part of what is being proposed. my right honourable friend speaks with great eloquence on this issue, and indeed the wider issues raised. one of the most chilling things i've found, and i'm sure other members did as well, reading the account at the weekend of what had happened to individuals, which frankly sounded like the actions of tinpot the leadership. it did not sound like what we would expect or hope for from the united states. the us has always been our oldest and closest ally. some people will say this is not a matterfor us, as long as our citizens are protected. i profoundly disagree. it absolutely is a matter for us. because the fundamental and dangerous betrayal of values this measure represents is indeed an affront to all of us. it is an affront to the muslims
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living in this country, to every citizen of this country. and, as i have said, it will make the world a more dangerous place. mr speaker, if we allow this to stand and we shrug our shoulders, it will amount to complicity with president trump. these actions are not normal, rational or sensible. we know, mr speaker, president trump is a bully. the only course of action in relation to his bullying is to stand up and be counted. nadhim zahawi was born in iraq and is now a british citizen. he described how uncomfortable the weekend had been for him and his family. i learnt that my ability to travel to the united states was to be denied to me. a country that i revere so much for its values, with which i have such great affinity and affection and admiration, and to which i have
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sent both my sons to university. i learnt, mr speaker, that this great nation had put in place measures that would prevent mine and my family's ability to travel, study and feel welcome there. i was concerned about the next time i would see my boys. due to our reluctance to let them fly home in the eventuality that they be prevented from returning to university. my wife and i despaired at the thought that had one of our sons been taken seriously ill again, as he was last year whilst at university, we would not be able to go to him when he needed us most. he called the executive order wholly counter—productive. over the weekend, pro—islamic state social media accounts have already begun hailing the order and the president's comments as clear evidence that the usa is seeking to destroy islam. they have even called it the blessed ban. yvette cooper said she was deeply
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worried about a state visit by donald trump. by rushing in to this state visit, i fear that actually the government is going to do the opposite of what they want. instead of this being a celebration of friendship and shared values, and a sign of increased cooperation, instead it will show the huge divisions and a huge concern concern we have about what president trump is doing. and it will look like an endorsement of a ban that is so morally wrong, and that we should be standing against. another mp said the uk should be a candid friend. very little at all will be achieved by cancelling a state visit when the invitation has already been extended and the invitation accepted. it is part of a process of seeking to engage, encourage and persuade.
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money needs to be spent on work coaches and not buildings, the government has insisted, asked about the closure of branches of job centres plus. many mps said their constituents were not ready for a system which relied heavily on internet access and the ability to use a pc. but the minister said that vulnerable claimants would be served — either by post or, in some cases, home visits. eight out of ten claims forjobseeker‘s allowance are now made online and 99.6% of applicants for universal credit full service submitted their claim online. this has resulted in the dwp buildings being used much less. 20% of the dwp estate is currently underutilised. as we renegotiate our out of date contract, we are merging some smallerjob centres with larger ones and co—locating others with local government premises. this will help dwp offer a better service for people looking for work, whilst delivering a better dealfor the taxpayer,
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saving about £180 million a year for the next ten years. the uk government's proposal to drastically cut the number ofjob centres and dwp offices across scotland and in the uk, including my constituency of inverclyde, will have a profound impact on thousands of people desperately seeking work and the support to which they are entitled. it is an insult! there has been a distinct lack of consultation with the communities affected and, with the government in scotland. that lack of consultation is against the principles of the smith agreement. studio: the smith agreement outlined the principles for scottish devolution, following the independence referendum. we are particularly concerned about the impact on women, children and people with disabilities. will the government publish an assessment of the impact of these proposals on equality issues? the government is continuing to roll out universal credit and, for the first time, people who are actually in work will have to attend interviews atjob centres. will the government delay its plans to reduce its estate until it has a clear idea of what the demands onjob centres and staff will be
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under universal credit? one of the things that really impressed me during my spell at dwp was the quality of the work coaches and their capacity for supporting real positive change in people's lives, so, if there is an opportunity to spend less on near—empty bricks and mortars and actually to invest more in a greater number of work coaches, isn't that exactly the right thing to do? hear, hear! speaker: minister! i thank my honourable friend for that question. he is of course right. our work coaches are at the front line delivering of services to claimants, helping them, notjust into work, but when they are in work, helping them into more work and better paid work. that's why we are recruiting more work coaches and looking to make sure that our dwp estate best reflects value for money, both for our taxpayers and, of course, providing the services that we need for claimants. in 2010, i had three job centres in my constituency. old swan was closed by her department at the start of 2010 and now she wants to close the other two in edge hill and wavertree.
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my constituency has the 39th highest level of unemployment in our country. why does she want to make it harder for the 2950 people who want to access support and who will have to pay £8.80 every single month in order to do so? some: hear, hear! speaker: minister! i thank the honourable lady for that question. it is of course important to reflect that what we are trying to do is make it easierfor those claimants who interact with the dwp online to do so, to look at instances where we can get involved in outreach projects, as has happened in various points around the country, and make sure that, where there are special circumstances where people are vulnerable, that they can be given assistance with travel to job centres. brighouse is the largest township within the calder valley, so to relocate ourjob centre uphill and down dale out of the constituency will be a disaster to the long—term unemployed who rely on it forjob advice and training. can my honourable friend assure me that those who have put forward the proposals have indeed visited places such as the calder valley
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to understand the demographics and geography, or have theyjust sat in their offices in whitehall using google maps? some: hear, hear! speaker: minister! i thank my honourable friend for that question. this is not an exercise using google maps. this is an exercise which we have engaged in over very many months to make the best use of our dwp estate. it's critically important, when we are not using the space that we have, but are paying for it, that we think very hard about how we can best provide services to our claimants. the work and pensions minister, caroline nokes. you're watching monday in parliament. our top story... the foreign secretary says the united states has given assurances that holders of a british passport will be unaffected by travel bans imposed by president trump. but opposition mps have accused the government of acting too slowly. ministers have rejected the suggestion that the adult social care system in england is in crisis. but appearing before the communities committee,
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a health minister and a local government minister accepted that the system was "stressed" and said more money was being provided. but they also accepted that pressures on the care system would continue to grow and one hinted that children may have to take more responsibility for looking after their ageing parents. is social care in crisis in this country at present? the social care system is under stress, and that is the word that i'd rather use than the word you that chose. i think it's more accurate. the second point i would make is i don't think it's accurate to say there is one social care system in this country. there is a mass disparity in different locations between different local and different authorities and actually different health authorities as well. studio: another minister highlighted the extra money being provided for social care — £3.5 billion. that comprises of £2 billion from the adult social care precept and the additional flexibilities that we've given councils in £1.5 billion from the improved better care fund and,
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together with that, we've also since identified an additional £2110 million this year as a social care precept, a social care grant, to local authorities and we've also indeed given further flexibility around the precept which could enable councils to realise an additional £900 million in the next two years. studio: but it wasn't, he said, just about money. we are requiring all areas to bring health and social care together by the end of this decade to make sure that we are providing the most comprehensive service we can. to what extent do you feel the pressure is on the nhs are directly attributable to the problems and social care? what simon stevens was talking about was delayed transfers of care, which has increased in the last 18 months. in fact, interestingly, it is stabilised in the last couple
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of months, but it certainly increased in the 18 months prior to that. studio: an mp turned to a warning from the head of the nhs in england, simon stevens. there is an extraordinary disparity in delayed transfers of care between different local authorities. and i, um... i was looking at some figures today. the four worst local authorities versus the four best. the disparity is a factor of 40, 4—0, in terms of the impact of that. nevertheless, they have gone up on the system as a whole. and there is an impact on that in terms of nhs beds. the thing that we really do need to get a better understanding of is why that factor of a0 exists, because that's out of all comparison in terms of budget pressures and those types of things. we're expecting to see a rise of nearly 50% by 2035 in the numbers of 65, people who are aged over 65, and i wonder how you plan to fund social care to keep pace with those growing numbers? if your point is that this
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is going to become a bigger and a higher proportion of our country's gdp over time, that is certainly right. i personally think there's a lot of interwoven issues here. one of them is for us to start thinking, as a society, how we deal with care of our own parents, and one of the things that's always struck me, as i've been doing this role, is that nobody ever questions the fact that parents, that we look after our children — that's just obvious and nobody ever says that's a caring responsibility, it's just what you do. um, i think some of that logic, and some of the way that we think about that, in terms of the sort of volume of numbers that we're seeing coming down the track, will have to, you know, impinge on the way that we start thinking about how we look after our parents, because, in a way, it's a responsibility, in terms of our life cycle, which is similar. now, president trump's views on nato
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were described at question time as a "wake—up call" for the organisation. on the election trail, donald trump called the alliance "obsolete" and said many of its members were not spending enough on defence. one conservative told the defence secretary that was a message that needed to be heard. the prime minister securing 100% support for nato and also the auditor general‘s support for nato is, of course, hugely encouraging. but would my right honourable friend not agree with me that some of the less than helpful remarks the president might have made about nato in the recent weeks and months is actually quite a useful wake—up call to nato? we need to modernise some aspects of the administration of nato and we need to see to our nato partners they've got to step up to the mark and pay their 2%, like we do? well, exactly. the new president has called for members of nato to fulfil the commitments that we agreed and we and the united states agreed back at the wales summit in 2014, and a number of other nato account members still have a long way to go to meet the 2% target.
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we also agree with the new president that we need to continue to modernise nato to make it effective as a response and as a deterrent. now that the united states of america has clearly become a less stable and reliable nato partner, how pragmatic is the 2% spending target? and what consideration has the secretary of state given to allocating more time for european defence or is european defence simply not fashionable any more? well, so far as our partnership with the united states is concerned, it is the broadest, deepest and advanced most defence partnership in the world, and my aim is to continue to strengthen it with the new administration, particularly in the shared programmes we have and the joint strike fighter aircraft and in the reinstatement
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of our maritime patrol aircraft capability. so far as european defence is concerned, and the president's remarks during the campaign and subsequently, are i believe the wake—up call to all of us in europe to make sure that, when we make these commitments, that we honour them. but if the new us president follows through with his stated intention to reinstate rendition and torture, then nato allies would be legally obliged not to work them on intelligence. so will the government ensure that the alliance rules out the use of torture in all respects for the good of nato effectiveness? some: hear, hear. well, i understand the point the honourable gentleman is making. we do not condone the use of torture and there are obviously implications that flow from that. several questions were asked about the travel ban, but were referred to the foreign secretary's statement from later in the day. over in the house of lords, a liberal democrat peer was attempting to convince his fellow peers of the need to install life—saving defibrillators in schools. a campaign was started
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following the death in 2011 of oliver king, a 12—year—old boy who died from a heart attack while swimming. the minister will be aware that today 82 people will get a sudden cardiac arrest and, of those 82, only eight will survive. you will also be aware of the work of the oliver king foundation. the foundation was set up after the death, very tragically, of a 12—year—old boy, who died in a swimming pool in liverpool, and they've campaigned ceaselessly for this to happen. studio: but an independent crossbench peer, lady finlay, said simply buying a defibrillator wasn't enough. it's essential to have emergency action first aid training in both primary schools and secondary schools, so that children can recognise cardiac arrest in another child, can respond appropriately, called for help appropriately, and also know where a defibrillator is. simply purchasing a defibrillator is inadequate. as i say, we leave it to schools to deal with the precise details
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of this, but of course, they will make it absolutely clear where the defibrillator is and, as i've already referred to, the issue about training. these machines are now so sophisticated that, if any operator is about to use them inappropriately, the machine has been programmed to tell the operator to push off! laughter well, i don't know if it quite puts it in those terms, my lord, but i am aware that they are apparently very, very easy to use, and the instructions are very clear. 270 children die every year after suffering a sudden cardiac arrest at school and 12 young people die a week from sudden arrhythmic death syndrome. there are laws that mandate smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, seat belts and life jackets to save lives, but there is no law mandating a simple piece of equipment that could restart the lives of 12 young
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people each week. so can the noble lord, the minister, say whether the government intends to give a fair wind to maria caulfield mp's defibrillators availability bill, which will have its second reading in another place next month, so as to bring to an end the shameful situation that means access to defibrillators is a postcode lottery? that is all from me for now. alicia mccarthy's here for the rest of the week. but from me, joanna shinn, goodbye. hello. scotla nd scotland have the best of monday's sunshine, not much on offer during tuesday as this weather front very slowly edges further east across the uk so plenty of cloud with that and some outbreaks of rain. still quite
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chilly, particularly over high ground of scotland to begin tuesday morning, sleet and snow turning back, slippery in a few spots first thing and you can see the extent of the cloud with some outbreaks and heavy bursts ins column, especially to the southern uplands and grampians and in northern ireland, a fairamount of standing grampians and in northern ireland, a fair amount of standing water around to begin the day. across england and wales, low cloud, hill fog around, not everywhere is wet but the rain is tending to come and go and edge its way further east. quite actually feel in the east to begin with with the cloud and south—easterly breeze but milder air is pushing into south—west england and wales as well. on through the day, a messy picture, isn't it, with this weather front gradually taking outbreaks further east of those areas that start dry. northern ireland turning a bit, brighter. all the while we trying to take milder air further east, and north wales, 11 in belfast
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but still chilly down the eastern side of the uk, or at least a cool feel with the cloud, breeze and outbreaks of rain. still around some of that wet weather through parts of england and wales, southern scotland on tuesday night and into wednesday morning. elsewhere, scotland into northern ireland, clear spells around so the risk of a few fog patches and a few spots seen frost, too cloudy and wet for frost in england and wales and we start on a damp note here. eventually that train pulls from eastern england on wednesday afternoon and then there's a brighter gap for a while until more rain in northern ireland and the south—west of wales and england once again. thursday is a windier picture, maybe a dry start in the east but bands of showers spreading north—eastwards, some could be heavy with hail and thunder, brighter spells and between. then the picture for friday into the weekend shows a deep area of low pressure, still some uncertainty about the detail but a growing sense some of us could
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be affected by some stormy weather. we'll keep you updated on that possibility certainly over the next few days. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is mike embley. our top stories: donald trump fires america's top legal adviser, acting attorney general sally yates, for questioning whether his immigration ban is legal. a white house statement accuses her of betrayal. there is a growing outcry against the travel restrictions, from the public, politicians, and now former president obama. police in quebec charge a french—canadian student with shooting dead six muslim worshippers at a mosque. and a special bbc investigation into the traffickers selling baby chimpanzees from west africa. the real tragedy of this trade is that, to get one infant chimpanzee out of the jungle, all of the adults in its family have to be killed.
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