tv Nicks Election Takeaways BBC News May 21, 2017 4:30pm-5:01pm BST
on all of those stories up—to—date on all of those stories on the bbc sport website. i will have more for you in the next hour. time for the weather. freed from extremism, terror, and violence. most finished the day with dry and sunny weather. some rain to the highlands and islands of scotland into the start of the evening. northern ireland, some showers, but most will fade away tonight. the showers in northern scotland apart, as well. that leads into a dry night almost across the board with plenty of clear skies developing. temperatures imrul areas will drop to single figures, but in towns and cities in the morning temperatures start the day in double figures and it'll be reasonably dry. outbreaks of rain to the morning rush hour over northern ireland, spreading to the west of scotland, but not as wet as this afternoon. northern england will turn cloudy. temperatures
limited the further north you are. for england and wales, a fine day with sunshine. tambe djos will climb further as we head into the second half of the week. —— temperatures will climb further as we head into the second half of the week. a bit ofa dip the second half of the week. a bit of a dip on tuesday. donald trump has told arab leaders in riyadh, that they must fulfil their "part of the burden" in confronting extremists. if we do not stand in uniform condemnation of this killing, then not only will we be judged by our people, not only will we be judged by history, but we will be judged by god. the conservatives have defended proposals to change social care, but
they will not confirm which pensioners will lose the winter fuel allowa nce. labour says it will keep the amount and guarantee rises in pensions and other benefits. party leader stopped campaigning today to remember the mpjo cox, murdered in her constituency last june. those are the main stories. more at the top of the hour. now it is time tojoin nick robinson for nick's election takeaway. in this election campaign, i'm speaking to several groups of voters about how they are making up their mind. today, i will be talking to people who voted remain. how will that choice affect the choice they have to make now? we have come to bedford, a tory—held seat which is marginal. the people we are speaking to have been selected for us by the pollsters ipsos mori. of course, no small group can tell us how this place will vote, let alone the country as a whole,
but it can flesh out those findings you find in the opinion polls and on tv. let's go inside to the corn exchange, wherejim davidson and ken dodd have played for the latest of nick's election takeaways. today's takeaway, a nice bit of thai food. let me ask you all first, what do you think of the issues that are important just know? in bedford, what are the important issues for you? it is a very multicultural society. a place that i have lived for 18 years with a very diverse background. children here from a diverse background. and actually been a very pleasant place to live and educate children
who are now going back into london. creating their lives and careers. recent times have made one question how you feel about it and how you feel about the general population, how they are feeling, in a way i have never thought before. i mean just the recent last year has made me feel differently about bedford and about britain. i will come onto that because i think i know what you mean. bedford first of all, what do people think in general? i think at the moment the hospital situation. i think it is important to me, my husband has a heart condition. having those services available, thinking about having a family in the future. the potential of a&e shutting, maternity services not being there anymore, it is quite frightening to think we might have to go further afield for things which we have been able
to access close for such a long time. for me it is the nhs also. accident and emergency being degraded. it worries us, the fact that services are going. what will happen in the future? will i to be able to get all the services i have in future? if they are degraded, will they be far off? that is a big worrying point from my perspective in bedford. poverty. i would say poverty has increased. there is a lot of homelessness. a lot of people are accessing the foodbank. i asked the foodbank yesterday how much food they give every month, they said over six tonnes, and bedford is a small town. cuts in services, nhs and statutory services, from the council, all statutory services.
especially for vulnerable families. people who are in a low income. people who are fleeing domestic violence. i cannot think outside bedford because i am always dealing with people in bedford who are facing problems on a day—to—day basis which is affecting their way of living. it's getting worse each day. has anyone else had any experience with the nhs where they think, i cannot hope? my son has a friend, who are a couple of friends, who are working in the local hospital, a greek doctor has been here for a year. my son fractured his arm. they took him to the accident and emergency, the greek doctor was so shocked that this lady was bleeding next to my son who is 17 or 18 with a fracture. they sat there for several hours, a lady, who could
have been homeless, was covered in blood. he said, as bad as things are in greece, such a thing could not happen. someone who needed such care would not be allowed to sit there in the midst of everyone. is that the big issue nationally, or are there other issues nationally? brexit is one of the issues. we should have a good deal in place after leaving the european union. of course, nhs is one of the big issues, but if we do not get a good deal, it affects our economy. a weak economy means we cannot fund the nhs, so the most important issue at this moment for me is getting a good brexit deal. getting the right deal. yes?
it is very important for me as well because myjob depends on it. if our company cannot make it work, we have to think about what we have to do to make it work. why does your company depend on it? it could put obstacles in the way for example or they could affect our production factory in italy. we essentially buy from our production site and bring it to the uk. so, for you, the worry is if there will be taxes on that. it will be harder for us to make a profit and it will be a strain on us as a company. anybody else find brexit as an issue? for me it is the biggest issue in this election. for me, we need the strongest campaigner. to get as the best deal. —— to get us the best deal. you need the strongest
campaigner to get out? to be involved in the brexit process and get the best deal for us. how did you vote? i voted to remain. so you are looking for someone who still wants us to remain? a good negotiator or a good listener? that's right. someone to get the best possible outcome. get the best deal. although i voted remain, the situation is where we are leaving, so we need the best we can get now. for me at least, it is done. brexit is happening. we are moving ahead with it. how did you vote? i voted remain. you voted remain. i voted remain. can i let you into a secret? you all voted remain, that is why we asked you to come in. we are interested to know about people who voted remain. it is not chance. how do you feel at present? depressed.
i feel somewhat sad about it but it is the next generation who are deeply... my daughter graduated on the day before they went to vote. she had a very bad feeling it would go in that direction. she was absolutely devastated, all three of them. i was certainly shocked, because it's notjust for us here now, it is for our children's future, when they want to travel around europe and get a job outside the uk, how will it affect them? how did you feel? in my work, because i am 26, i work with a lot of older people. what you do? i work in an estate agent, i am a secretary. being young, compared to them, i've felt that their decision was made for me. i am not as young... you think they made the decision? yes, they made this decision for me.
things that will not necessarily impact on them will impact me and my children. so it was frustrating. there was all this bravado, if we leave now it will be better. i was like, it will not affect you. i voted remain not for the economy at all, but because i had a fear of the increase of hate crime. that was my only reason why. not for the economy but i was scared that if we voted out, it gives a platform because of the campaigning, it would give a platform for people to incite hatred and xenophobia. and now it has happened? now we are dealing with a lot of hate crime. really, in bedford ? yes, there is an increase. i was right to be frightened and i will still be frightened. that fear will not go for a long time, because we can see it
happening all around us. lots of people who watch this will say we have not changed as a countryjust because we voted in a way you do not like. we have to deal with it, and that is why the government has to try and protect and safeguard these people, the communities that are being attacked. i spoke to people in this town who are, i would say not necessarily politically—minded, who within 2a hours said they did not know why they had voted. they voted leave. these are fairly nice people, who within a day were saying, they did not really know but voted leave. when you started asking them questions, they had not thought of so many of the aspects of what that really meant.
i feel also the campaign was led by, the way the campaign was led, appealed to certain baser instincts in some and in others, they were left naively not knowing what was going on. think of now rather than then, we're going to get on with it now, is that the case? that is like a fire in your house saying, it is going now. i don't think so, personally. you still think the fire could be put out? that is a lot of hubris around this. the way that the government and the people who are leading the government literally fell away the moment it was voted in. they just disappeared. you don't think that? as i say, i like to get on with it. we want someone who will get the best deal after brexit. this is our opportunity to work with
either of them who will give us the best possible opportunities in the future, what a deal which is beneficial to all. you say the two of them, you do not have to vote labour or tory. there are other parties. some of whom do say, let us do it again. would you vote labour? i don't think that is necessary, just get on with it. i also said maybe there should be people potentially getting more of a say because we are voting in the general election but we will still be voting on something we have not had an opportunity to have a say on. so it might be a great deal but we will not know until it happens. you are a remain as well what is your view, to get on with it? if the country is to vote for a party which decided to have another referendum,
the outcome might... we would get to the point where the government might say, we like this answer so we will get on with it then. for referendums. you are not convinced. it is almost like, he goes up to someone says give us 250 grand for the house. what is it like? you will find out. but what is that like, i may not like it. just trust us, you will be fine. that is what the leaders have done effectively? what it seems to me, particularly theresa may has said, strong and stable leadership, and i am the best person to negotiate. you will not get a say as such, you would just get it. it might be it turns out there are lots of political machinations and we do get the best deal, but it seems a strange thing you could say to theresa may
but what does a good deal look like? no one knows. if you wanted to say, give it another go, who are you tempted by? is there any politician saying the things you want to here? i am very cynical about politicians. i have not heard anything. i feel we were set up. are you not hearing anyone say have another referendum ? hearing how theresa may has got into her discussions with europe, generally i think the british perspective is very... i travel a lot, i go to europe weekly, and the europeans are not feeling...
they are feeling quite upset and angry, they do not like the posturing leading up to brexit. they feel quite anti. you do not like theresa may's tone. no one on the opposition benches? you have the greens, labour, the liberal democrats. maybe they'll say the right thing. well, they won't get in. the chances are very unlikely they will get in. i think i agree. i cannot see anyone in the tory frontbench who can negotiate their way out of a paper bag. exactly. it's really sad, because if you discount theresa may, jeremy corbyn, i don't think so. then it goes round. i agree with you, i'm getting on, it is really quite depressing. you think there is no
standout person. they say theresa may is strong and stable leadership but she was in charge of the home office for six years and we did not see a lot of that going on. my issue is, i think bedford, the tories got in with a 1200 majority, it is not a safe seat. if that is a national movement to vote tactically, you are not going to vote for the liberal democrats because unless there is some sort of turnover, they will not get in, so if you vote tactically, perhaps you will vote for labour, but they are going with brexit as well, so it is difficult. what about the greens, to make a statement? but your statement would be like a stone dropped in a pond, no one would see it, it would be gone, it would be frustrating. we haven't got pr. it is first past the post so if you do not agree with the government of the day, the only thing to do is vote labour.
if he came into the room though, and said i am tim farron, i am the new leader, you can have another say, do not despair you remainers, we can still do it, in a couple of years' time things will look different, i will give you another say. what would you say to him? no, thanks. i don't want a second referendum. this is always a waste of time, money and energy. i agree, it is a waste of time. we should just get on with it. it will create more division. it might create more division within society so it is done and i think the majority of us who voted remain have accepted it and just want to get on with it now. does anyone thinkjeremy corbyn would be a better person in negotiations? i do, actually. definitely not.
he is a person who really cares about the economy, because he has the interest of the workers at heart, and that is what the economy is based on, that is what i personally think. i am basing it on what i have seen in bedford, with the lack ofjobs over the years and the cutting of services. that all plays a part in the economy. i want somebody else to have another chance and see if they can make this go forward. you thought jeremy corbyn would do well? i think his style of talking to people, on a personal level, i think he talks to people with a little more engagement rather than talking over people as though he will tell people what is going to happen. i saw your eyebrows go up. i am really sorry, jeremy, he will probably be really good if he ever got the chance, but this is a chap who put a three line whip in for people to pass the brexit
bill or whatever it was called. he never abate the government whip when labour were power, never. he might be a good negotiator, but he has not got any principles. jeremy corbyn, maria said, you're saying he is empathetic? he can build a relationship? yeah, i do feel that. when i see him on the television, i turn over. it's the truth. why? he just irritates me, and he is one that bugs me. you find people that irritate you in life. is that because you are tory? i don't know if it is about that.
i have watched other labour leaders, i think it isjust him personally. give me a few qualities, shout out words. let us do theresa may first. what words do you associate with her? tough. strong. xenophobic. that is what she comes over as. yes? come back to me. i think she is a businesswoman and she is here to make the best of the bad situation. donald trump's a businessman! i think a lot of people are worried, not to bring up american politics, but people are worried it is going to go the way, with the coming election they will vote for the lesser of two evils. do you think they might do that now? i think people are worried
it'll go that way. she is like a second mrs thatcher. you don't mean that in a good way? no, she is a very strong person. in a good way? no. you are thinking of voting labour? i haven't decided yet, it is based on next week. i'm intrigued, you might vote for the second mrs thatcher or you might vote forjeremy corbyn, your words. i have always voted labour. my dad has always voted labour, i've always voted labour. nowadays, because it is so much information, so much social media, the way we see politics is so different to two elections before. people are thinking more about how they are voting. before it was something they inherited from their mother and father. you used to vote for a party, but now, it is not like that. i do not see that. what about words that describe jeremy corbyn?
paula. —— paul. irritating. and you are voting for the greens. ijust do not trust him. i think he is fatally idealistic. you might not vote for him or labour? as you said, the american election was between the least worst candidate, and it is such a shame that in this country, it is almost like we are talking about who is the least worst candidate. he lacks charisma. you may still vote labour? possibly. you are not sure. you? come back to me. is there any other issue, you know what, we have had a referendum but this issue is much more important to me? for me it is the schools my children
go to, and the pressure the teachers are under is incredible. anybody else? local services, everything locally, welfare, elderly, cuts in youth services. everything that you need to live on a day—to—day basis. what about health? is the health service so important? yes. is it more than brexit for you? it is tied into that issue. the health service will not function if you do not have a stronger economy. i think they come part and parcel. definitely. like the schooling system, the nhs is under a lot more strain, we are living longer. there is a lot more of us. initial planning for the nhs was not to let people to live to 104. thank you everyone.
that's it from us in bedford. we will have the chance to finish off our takeaway now, and we will be back next week talking to people who the prime minister has called the just about managing, who will they decide to vote for? a there will be some rain in the coming week. but it will be dry and warm, particularly in the second half of the week. we have seen some warmth today. high pressure to the east and low pressure to the west bringing the airup east and low pressure to the west bringing the air up from the south. this has been producing rain over scotla nd this has been producing rain over scotland so far. this evening that becomes confined to the islands and highlands. it'll fade away overnight. clear skies about. highlands. it'll fade away overnight. clearskies about. most will have a dry night. the wind is
gentle, and. the temperature going up gentle, and. the temperature going up too high. —— the wind is gentle and it is going to stop the temperatures going up too high. the complication comes courtesy of the cold front. in the rush—hour that'll bring more cloud over northern ireland and occasional rain. by the end of the morning rush—hour that'll push into the islands of western scotland. foremost a fine start to monday. long sunny spells across southern and eastern areas in particular. patchy cloud in the west. the sunshine across northern and western areas will be hazy. burst of rain turning heavy at times in western scotland. the odd shower in the east. temperatures and scotla nd in the east. temperatures and scotland will be in the low teens. further south, with increased sunshine, it will feel even warmer than this afternoon. the temperatures into maybe the mid—20s in the south—east corner. it'll be a fine evening in the south. some rain pushing over scotland. heavy burst
mixed amongst it. through tuesday, high pressure builds on the bay of biscay. we are in the northern flank with westerly winds. we could see some cloud over western areas, particularly over the coast and hills. towards eastern areas, longer spells of sunshine. temperatures have dropped compared with monday, but still feeling warm and the strengthening sun. as high—pressure continues to build into wednesday, temperatures will rise once again. there will still be low cloud on wednesday, particularly for northern ireland and western scotland. elsewhere, morning misty cloud brea ks elsewhere, morning misty cloud breaks up, good long sunny spells, and temperatures widely into the 20s once again. and they knocked up even further on thursday and friday as we see more in the way of sunshine developing. this is bbc news. the headlines at 5pm. donald trump has told the leaders of more than a0 muslim nations, that they must join forces and play their part in defeating religious extremism. if we do not stand in uniform condemnation of this killing, then not only will we be judged
by our people, by history... but we will be judged by god. the conservatives defend proposals to change social care, but won't confirm which pensioners will lose their winter fuel allowance. labour says it will keep the allowa nce labour says it will keep the allowance and guarantee annual rises in pensions and other benefits. we are putting £30 billion in over the lifetime of the parliament into welfare, we are reforming universal credits.