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this is bbc news, the headlines at 8pm. a row over us intelligence leaks from the investigation into the manchester terror attack. president trump says he's deeply troubled by alleged us leaks on the investigation into the manchester attack, and promises the prime minister he'll get to the bottom of it. isa bomb is a bomb disposal unit is helping that a house in wigan. eight people are still being held. the arrests that we have made are significant and initial searches of the premises have revealed items that we believe are very important to the investigation. so you have come especially for the concert, did you? yeah. the queen visits manchester's children's hospital — meeting some of the injured and the staff treating them. a minutes silence across the uk — as hundreds gathered in manchester — remembering the 22 victims of the concert bombing. also this hour — a noisy return to election campaigning.
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don't you understand english? please, please, please, let's be respectul. it comes as ukip says theresa may has some responsibility for the manchester bombing. and — net migration to the uk falls by 84,000 — most of those leaving the country were eu citizens. good evening and welcome to bbc news. a major international row has erupted after key images from the investigation into the manchester arena terror attack were leaked to the new york times by us intelligence officials. police here condemned
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the leak, which could have damaged the investigation. and said they would now limit the amount of information they're willing to share with counterparts in america. today, president trump promised to root out the source of the leak, which he called "deeply troubling". in other developments, officers investigating the attack have described the arrests made so far as "significant" , eight people remain in custody; 75 people injured in the attack remain remain in hospital, 23, including several children, are in critical care. earlier, the queen met some of the children wounded in the attack and the staff caring for them at the royal manchester children's hospital. and a minute's silence was held across the uk to remember the 22 people who lost their lives. gavin hewitt has this report. in the minutes before the silence, thousands headed to reflect, to remember, to stand together.
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bell tolls. bugle sounds. in manchester, a long minute ended with applause. applause. it was really beautiful and i thought it was so nice everyone coming here and showing the respect. today has been a time to reflect and a time of remembrance and at the same time to show strength and unity and our support to those who have lost their loved ones. you had enjoyed the concert? it was good. i got to meet her before the concert. she was lovely. really? during the morning the queen visited the royal manchester children's hospital and spoke to
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some of the wounded. in one conversation she described the attack as wicked. it was a big shock, a very big shock. very wicked. another patient spoke about her shrapnel wounds. mine's gone through 15 centimetres out the other side. i'm due in surgery this afternoon. 75 people are still in hospital and some will need reconstructive surgery. today was a reminder of what unites people — a determination not to allow the bombing to define the city. even while people are seeking answers as to how a young man born here could carry out such an attack. this evening, hundreds were still laying flowers, a day of solidarity after the targeting of children and teenagers. thousands of tributes have been placed in st ann's square
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in manchester in honour of the victims of the attack. jane hill was there, and described the sentiments being expressed. you can see i'm sure that people are still coming here in this beautiful evening here in st ann's square, laying flowers, looking at the tributes. but that one minute's silence was one of the most moving things i have experienced. the silence itself absolutely observed as you would expect. sober and sombre. but it was that applause, that spontaneous applause and itself was prolonged. i felt as if that was a response from the crowd that said, we are not defeated, we are a diverse city, you will not divide us, we are still here. i was so struck by that and so many people watching it were i think and a lot of us welled up, it was impossible not to. after the applause came singing. a group of men from behind me started singing don't look back in anger, a famous manchester song from a famous manchester band and that is the spirit reflected on these flowers. an extraordinary resilience
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which has been very moving to experience. in their latest update greater manchester police say their initial searches of premises have revealed items that are very important to the investigation. since the suicide bombing on monday night police and security services have become convinced that salman abedi was part of a terror network, that's the focus of their investigation. our home editor mark easton reports now, on the investigation. where is the bomb factory? is a terror cell linked to monday's attack poised to strike again? this morning as the country stood in silence, armed police were shouting at residents in manchester to take cover after reports of a suspect package in a block of flats. there was armed police
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and they were squatting down, shouting at everyone. saying, don't go near the road. when the bomb disposal arrived we got told to take cover. what was going through your mind? it felt there was a a potential explosion. i saw my daughter and your first instance is i need my child. the city is jittering as police try to track the movements of salman abedi. i saw them take out someone. they arrested him and the army came, the bomb disposals. this what is the search for a bomb factory looks like, a tip off, a raid and an arrest, but the search goes on. this raid did not produce the lead they hoped for, but the investigation is understood to be taking progress. 0vernight, there were two
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raids and two arrests in manchester and a linked swoop on a proot 75 mimes south in nuneaton where another man was arrested. in all, there are now eight men in custody in connection with the bombing. i want to reassure people that the arrests we are made are significant and searches have revealed items that believe are important to the investigation. police and counter—terrorism officers are piecing together abedi's last movement. it understood he left to libya and returned to the uk via istanbul and germany. police believe he may have been at a property a short distance from where the bomb exploded. but before he stayed here, where else had he been? who had he met?
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forensics and cctv, every method for tracking his movements is being pursued. we have been overwhelmed with support from the public and i would ask for patience to continue from the communities here in manchester as we carry out the searches. there are nagging questions though. why wasn't abedi stopped before he carried out the attack? since 2013, 18 plots have been thwarted. could, should this one have been prevented too? police in wigan have closed a street where an arrest was made in connection with the manchester bombing. springfield street was closed off at six 20 this evening. army bomb squad teams are there now and residents up and moved away from their homes. 0ur north of england correspondent, danny savage is in wigan. what has been happening? we last
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talked you just after 7pm and since then there has been a lot of police activity and the army bomb disposal unit has arrived on the scene as well. we were down there on that street earlier on, and everybody else, all the residents weather outside their houses in the sunshine. as police examined a property which was raided about midnight last night. ever since then, there have been police have it activity of the house. what is clear is sometime late this afternoon at about 6pm they found something that imply, they were worried about, and they called in the bomb disposal unitand they called in the bomb disposal unit and cleared the residents, made all of us move up, had an earlier called on up there. the bomb disposal unit arrives in article to moves further away, about another 50 metres up the street. the robot in the back of the bomb disposal unit truck, may be used to go down the street to the property to investigate what the police have
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found and what they are concerned about. very worrying, of course, for people round here. russell is a nice evening we will stand against the wotton on. it is right by the hospital and the ambulance comes by an emergency run. it is still in lockdown this evening, but it's one of the things we have seen with previous experience, the unit arrives and with an hour or so the this year to sort things out and all clear, things get back to normal. but when not at that stage yet. word about wider police activity in the area in the last 2a hours, how does this fit together? there have been scenes like this across manchester all day. i was at one incident central to the city this morning were a block of flats was sealed off because of concern about a suspicious package. again, the bomb disposal unit was there, look and left and went off again. there are couple of other addresses in south manchester being searched today as well. not necessarily,
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though, by the bomb disposal unit. as ramp it up. people are tweeting that this may be the so—called bomb factory which is then speculated and talked about. it doesn't feel like that, i have to say. but we'll wait and see. what the local residents have told a surprise about one man arrested last night, a single man it is believed, and a libyan. that is all they could tell me about the man arrested yesterday evening. the investigation has an ongoing since then. the bomb disposal squad: about two hours ago. thank you. let's go to manchester where our correspondent is there. a wider view from greater manchester police? what they have told us today is that this isa they have told us today is that this is a fast moving investigation as is clear from what danny has just said. they have also told us they have
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made good progress over the last 24 hours. as you know, eight men are in custody including salman abedi's mac goalie brother. the low acid in manchester, nuneaton and wigan. —— they were arrested in these places. they have made significant arrest, the police said. one earlier today and this evening. these initial searches have revealed items which are supposedly important to the investigation. they have that other properties, and say it will carry on over several days. they have asked the public to bear with them. they say the investigations are extremely important. as you have heard here, thatis important. as you have heard here, that is exactly what is happening in wigan. bravo bob dees, two other properties, being —— that are also two other properties in manchester involving the bomb disposal squad. progress has made, but there are
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questions about the bigger picture. what police are looking for out there, they are looking for components that have made the bomb that was used in that horrific incident on monday night, they want to know if there are other bombs out there and indeed what other components they are looking for. that may not have yet found. they will look to find everybody that they can, that is associated with this network. so every time there are new leads, there are new lines to follow. please today carry out another incident in hulme where a suspicious package was cleared. but they said that was not necessarily linked. but they want to keep hearing from the public about any suspicions that they have. 0r hearing from the public about any suspicions that they have. or any suspicious activity. also, the scope of this investigation is vast at the moment. and there doesn't seem to be any sign so far that the security threat level is going to be lowered any time soon. katrina, thank you. police in manchester have condemned the leak —
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in the united states — of information relating to their investigation into monday's attack. the publication of sensitive images in the new york times has prompted officers here to say they would now limit the amount of information they're willing to share with counterparts in america. today president trump has promised to root out the source of the leak. the new york times says the publication of leaked evidence was neither graphic nor disrespectful of victim. the prime minister has been raising the leak directly with trump. this was at a nato summit, and meeting she was attending in brussels earlier today. on the issue of intelligence sharing, we have a special relationship with the usa. it is our deepest defence and security partnership that we have. of course that partnership is built on trust and part of that trust is knowing that intelligence can be
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shared confidently, and i will be making clear to president trump today that intelligence that is shared between law enforcement agencies must remain secure. thank you. joining me now is our new york correspondent nick bryant. how is this argument over intelligence playing out when you are? it's not a huge deal in the united states, frankly. the leaks stories that capture the interest of the american press relate to the russian investigation. the allegations of russian meddling in the 2016 election, allegations of possible collusion between team trump and the kremlin. so this hasn't been a huge deal here, to be perfectly honest. as you say, the new york times have not seen an apology, it said what it did was fairly routine, really. there has been some expressions of regret and
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concern on capitol hill, democrats and republicans saying it's unhelpful to the investigation. but no great outcry or outrage in the same way that there has been an your side. is that partly a cultural thing? early on in this investigation, the police here didn't want to release the name of the suspect as he was at that point, the suspect as he was at that point, the new york times did so, than the images that appeared. is this just the way the americans tend to do these things? i do think there was a cultural difference between the british press and the american press at times like that. you probably know, when we took cover a trial in britain we are limited in what we can say. —— when we cover a trial. we are limited by law and every break them we are in contempt of court. in america, i can and stand in front of the courthouse and speculators they are guilty. i am protected by the first amendment, i can say pretty much what i want. that is what cultural difference.
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the british press also tends to be more obedient and sympathetic to requests from the authorities to withhold this kind of information. that is what happened in the early hours of this investigation. british news organisations knew it was salman abedi but they didn't publish it, the americans decided to publish it, the americans decided to publish it because there is a culture of giving out information and not particularly being bound by the authorities when they asked them not to. that request had not been made on the side of the atlantic. so there are some cultural differences here. here as well, there was forensic, the greater manchester police argument will be forensic evidence, so from their point of view, it was not. exactly. we get it is like that normally as british journalist at the end of a trial. when we are doing background, reports that one is seen as we know whether someone is guilty. that is when law enforcement share that standard material with us. but obviously, in this instance, they we re obviously, in this instance, they were shed much earlier in the day.
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and they were published by the new york times. but let it was quite remarkable. we broke the story late last night that this flurry of information which has been a two—way flow, ever since the early days of world war ii, when churchill and roosevelt signed the atlantic charter, that stayed yesterday was a one—way street. and today as well. there was a breach of trust which made the manchester police and other counterterrorism police in britain stopped this flow of information. 0ne stopped this flow of information. one final thought, i wonder how it plays out politically when trapped trump returns. his relationship with intelligence officials and the new york times is not good. where does he go with this? it doesn't require a leap of imagination to imagine a conversation between may and trump, this is what i deal with everyday. this has been extraordinary really cute time in american official servers. i've never known a washington might this. afterfour administrations, i've never seen lea ks administrations, i've never seen leaks on this scale before. everyday, the washingtons post or
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the new york times posts something from the intelligence committee or the adverse fish. and trump are fed up the adverse fish. and trump are fed up with it. so there's disagreement here. i'm sure trump is as disappointed as may. all 22 people who lost their lives in the suicide bombing have now been identified. ten teenagers and children were among those who were killed — the youngest was just eight years old. judith moritz reports now on the victims — and the loss felt by their families and friends. they were loved and they are mourned. taken by the bomb, their names keep coming. eilidh macleod, 14 years old, from the outer hebrides, a vivacious teenager who played bagpipes and was full of fun. 19—year—old courtney boyle described as an amazing rock. she went to the concert with her stepdad, philip tron. he too lost his life.
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two people gone from one family. a mum and school helper. said to have touched the lives of so many. in her home city today friends and neighbours observed the minute's silence, joined by wendy's relatives. devastated. she knew a lot of people shechl had a lot of friends, family. i think, even people who just knew of her, it's just such a tragedy. it's just awful. also named today, chloe rutherford and liam curry, girlfriend and boyfriend, known to be inseparate. the teenagers from south shields died together. elaine, a police officer who loved music and was on a night out off—duty. flowers have been laid at cheshire police for elaine who started out
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as a volunteer special constable and rose up to work for the organised crime unit. she spent 20 years working for cheshire police. her colleagues and friends came in to work to learn that they'd lost one of their own. cheshire's chief constable opened a book of condolence for the officer. elaine, from all i've heard, all the best traditions about the police service. somebody who cared about community and cared about victims. she left a lasting impression on those who met her, both professionally and in victims of crime she helped. the injured, so many injured, have so much to come to terms with, too. 15—year—old laura anderson has had surgery to remove shrapnel from her leg and shoulder. my ears went muffled. i saw everyone was rushing around me. i was screaming. i felt pain in my legs then, i think. 22 killed, more than 100 injured. we know their names and their harrowing stories, but we will never understand their terrible, unfathomable loss. judith moritz, bbc news. one of the children killed in the attack
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was 14—year—old sorrell leczkowski from leeds. the head teacher of the school where she was a pupil said she was a confident teenager who was an "asset" to the school community. the whole school community is saddened shocked as losing our thoughts and prayers are with her family and friends at this very difficult time. and with the families of others who have lost their lives or have been injured. sorrell was simply a delightful student, as her grandfather said yesterday, she was happy, creative and confident. she had a great group of friends, she enjoyed her studies, she was a real asset to the school. the bbc understands two people who need the manchester bomb salman abedi had made separate calls to anti—terrorism hotline several years ago the warm about his extremist views. joining us from our belfast newsroom
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is professor richard english, an author and politics professor who has spent his career examining how terrorist attacks affect our way of life, and how we should respond. good evening. i mentioned those two reports of people who had spoken in advance of what happened. how —— had it's important but it's important to be realistic as well. the police have abundant information about people but it's not possible to guess how terrorism will be committed. unless we want to have a different type of corrupt society where everybody is being monitored and everybody has anxiety, —— a different type of society. i would
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like to like to say something i think we have to have possibilities, it's possible to discriminate cases which would leave the violence as the witches happened here, and cases with the more trivial. we have to recognise it is not predictive science, it is a complicated process of releasing sort of horror the we saw on monday. given the level of competition people are facing, and those in authority face, is there anything you think can be differently done from now which will make a repeat slightly less likely? i think lessons will be always lend intel's processors, one of the issues people sometimes raise is how far the way the uk thinks about itself to make polarisation less likely. 0ne itself to make polarisation less likely. one thing we know that the long history of terrorism is it creates polarisation between different communities. 0ne creates polarisation between different communities. one thing that raises its head here again
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maybe is that we need to make sure this atrocity doesn't divide the muslim people of the uk from the other people with the society. the vast majority of muslims in the uk and elsewhere around the world are as horrified by this kind of thing as horrified by this kind of thing as non—muslims. in essence, what we need to do is not the the muslim committee as at risk of this process of violence but rather to recognise that we are all in the uk together, the vast majority of us are keen to to help the police in terms of preventing the sort of thing and to look at ourselves as a cohesive society in the longer term rather than allowing this to polarise. use the word prevent, there is a strategy of that name of course. is there any annotation to that that you think ought to be seriously considered? think it's always a difficult part of the counterterrorism strategy to deal with prevent, because of hard to judge how it has been. if they persuade someone judge how it has been. if they persuade someone not to be involved quietly in terrorism, it's not necessarily easy to identify a
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happen. it is also the case that prevented people from turning to terrorism in the vast majority of cases is not easy. the vast majority of muslims are not interested in such violence. it think you at the complex web of causes. can we take people out of the system who meant all violence? are the people who respond to certain aspects of foreign policy when we think long term is about repercussions of things uk does? we won't get quick fixes, what we i get is a long—term look at the problem of causing terrorism which is complex and multifaceted, and try and minimise it without unrealistic expectations —— expectations of changing it. if someone is nearby and reports of trouble, but they
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aren't necessarily the resources on the receiving end the act of eboli, does that become part of the problem? i think so. does that become part of the problem? ithink so. clearly, monitoring someone is expensive in terms of the labour, skills and technical expertise. i don't think most people watching us will want to live in a society wake you have extraordinary high levels of monitoring, extraordinarily high island was a surveillance. 0n the other hand, if you are able to resource and except effective monitoring of people who might carry out this awful attack, it is as a xoli it's not done on a shoestring. it's a tense balance, because we don't want to move too far away from civil liberties and to monitoring eve ryo ne civil liberties and to monitoring everyone at home who makes a phone call. 0n the other hand, and the weight of what happened on monday, it's time to take store: chris. ali resort are prioritised and minimise the threat of this unusual but appalling and lethal fashion when
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the threat of this unusual but appalling and lethalfashion when it does occur. how long a process do you think we are talking about here? i think the isis crisis in various forms is going to be generational. what will happen, i think, is the group will be curtailed in iraq and syria for the most part quite effectively in the mid—term. the longer term effects of the conflict will spoil to western countries will not go away in immediate years. i think it is a generation, and suspect that is something we will have to get used to learning to live with this rather than assuming it is something where it quick win or an easy way of getting rid of it. thanks forjoining us., professor richard english in belfast. the queen paid an unexpected visit to the hospital today. she met the injured i got
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igota i got a phone call saying there had been a major incident. i got a phone call saying there had been a major incidentlj i got a phone call saying there had been a major incident. i had had contact through social media initially that something had happened in manchester but i was not aware of what had gone on. 20 minutes later i got a call saying we had had our first walk—in patient come through. when we came in at was very calm and the atmosphere was near silent because everybody was getting on with what they had to do. when i arrive the level of professionalism among my colleagues was phenomenal. there was professionalism, the need to focus. they never considered the safety at
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the time. they just they never considered the safety at the time. theyjust approached the scene and started to deal with the casualties. even while we were dealing with the casualties we had reports of secondary devices actually within the vicinity. reports of secondary devices actually within the vicinitylj reports of secondary devices actually within the vicinity. i was inundated with messages from the team, cani inundated with messages from the team, can i come in? do you want me in? health care assistants, doctors, consultants, nurses. we had staff who were off duty in the city centred at the time approaching in civilian clothes with their id badges and asking if they could help. that makes me proud. this is familiar to all of us. we have a sense of identity was manchester.m feels personal. it is wrong with it being so" you see things on the news but that does not seem real goal real. a coordinated effort across the whole of manchester was what we
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saw and we should be very proud of the care given to those patients. saw and we should be very proud of the care given to those patientsm was not until you get home and sit back on the sofa and reflect on exactly what has happened, it took quite a few hours to process what had happened near where i grew up. quite a few hours to process what had happened near where i grew uplj we nt had happened near where i grew uplj went home and cried a lot. you want to hug your nearest and dearest. some of the medical workers affected by the events of monday night. we will find out how these stories are covered by the front pages later. it has been another hot day across most of the uk except the north sea coastline at the irish sea coastline. we have 28 degrees today which makes it the hottest day of
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the year so far. temperatures will not fall rapidly through this evening and overnight. that is going to be mild and across the northern half of the uk. see fog near northern england and eastern scotland. not as bad in the south, more of a breeze. western coasts on friday could see some of the highest temperatures. both wheels, north—west england, hide, the highlands could see 29 or 30. it will be another hot day. it breaks down later with thunderstorms in the west but the uv level is high across the uk. very high in southern areas, pretty unusual for this country at this time of year. hello. this is bbc news. the headlines: a row over us intelligence lea ks
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from the investigation into the manchester terror attack. president trump says he's deeply troubled and promises the prime minister he'll get to the bottom of it. this evening a bomb disposal unit is helping search a house in wigan as the investigation continues. eight people are still being held. the queen visits royal manchester children's hospital, meeting children injured in monday's terrorist attack. she describes the attack as a "wicked" act. ukip launch their party's manifesto, saying it's a message to terrorists "that they will not win". and net migration to the uk falls by 84,000. most of those leaving the country were eu citizens. there have been couple of managerial departures today. in the last half an hour marco silva has left hull city. the portuguese onlyjoined on a short term deal injanuary charged with saving the club from relegation.
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performances improved but not enough and they were relegated with one game to spare. silva is now favourite to take the vacant position at crystal palace after sam allardyce's resignation earlier this week. garry monk says he was unable to beat agreement with the new owner which led to him resigning. he said he had seen himself being at leeds for many years to come but they could not find a way forward. the ta keover of could not find a way forward. the takeover of the championship side happened earlier this week. he guided leeds to seventh in the table, missing out on the championship play—offs. manchester city against chelsea ladies, the first significant sporting event to be held in
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manchester since the attack on monday night. there has been increased security at the academy stadium. the game between the top two of the last wsl season was delayed by 15 minutes. that was because of traffic in the area. city are1—0 that was because of traffic in the area. city are 1—0 up. if it stays like that manchester city will go level on points with liverpool ladies at the top of the table. staying with the women's game, scotland have suffered a major injury blow ahead of the euros this summer. kim little has 117 caps and 46 goals for her country but will miss the tournament after rupturing her anterior cruciate knee ligament in training with her club side arsenal. it's approaching half time in the first leg of the scottish premiership play off between dundee united and hamilton tonight. united of course are looking for promotion while hamilton are trying to avoid relegation to the scottish championship. it's currently goalless at tannadice. wayne rooney says he has "more or less" decided about his manchester united future
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but won't say what that is for another two weeks. as for his international career, well that looks to be coming to a close. he's been left out again by gareth southgate. the england head coach has named his squad to face scotland and france next month. southgate says he has better options in rooney's favoured number ten role or upfront, the likes of dele ali and marcus rashford. rashford's inclusion means that he won't go to the european championship with the under 21s. goalkeeper jack butland's been recalled for the first time in over a year and there's a first call up for spurs defender kieran trippier. wales manager chris coleman has dismissed speculation linking him to the vacant manager's job at crystal palace. he was speaking ahead of their world cup qualifier against serbia. 16—year—old ethan ampadu has been included in the training squad. the exeter city defender is one of seven uncapped players. he made his professional debut last august. real madrid forward gareth bale and aston villa defender neil taylor both miss
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the game through suspension. but questions about coleman's future dominated today's press conference. i cannot control what is said about me or anyone else outside of wales. ido me or anyone else outside of wales. i do not care about it if i'm honest. i only care about wales. i ca re honest. i only care about wales. i care about preparing properly. i am looking forward to this game for more than one reason. that is where my thinking and my mind is. formula one championship leader sebastian vettel was fastest in second practice ahead of this weekend's monaco grand prix. lewis hamilton was quickest in the first session but slipped down to eighth. fellow britjenson button finished 12th. the 2009 world champion has returned forjust one race for mclaren. he's standing in for fernando alonso, who is competing at the indianapolis 500 this weekend. i will be back later. we arejoined by
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we are joined by a former top cia official. how damaging is this? over the long term there is no reason to believe it is going to be deeply damaging but i think it will have a short—term effect. we are perhaps already seeing this at the tactical level when perhaps low and mid—level police officials in manchester may think twice before passing on information if they think it is going to be passed to the americans. if they hesitate before doing that or do not do it how much does that mean the intelligence services in the united states suffer?|j mean the intelligence services in the united states suffer? i think there's a possibility that the may
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suffer if there is humbly dismissed that could directly affect their equities but the real concern is what impact failing to share information with the americans and empowering them to connect the dots thatis empowering them to connect the dots that is the primary concern. both sides potentially miss out? yes. i do not want to overstate that. british colleagues at the national level a re british colleagues at the national level are used to the peccadilloes of their american colleagues. this will pass but that is not helpful. you use the word peccadilloes. why does this happen? when you were in the position you were in that the cia, that would have included the period during the london bombings of 2005, why does this happen? period during the london bombings of 2005, why does this happen7m period during the london bombings of 2005, why does this happen? in part it isa 2005, why does this happen? in part it is a cultural thing. information is not as carefully and closely
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guarded in the united states has perhaps it is in the uk. it is to do with habits of mind to a degree. since 9/11 information on the american side in particular is being shared fairly widely and there are reasons for that but potential downsides. when you see leaks like this happening they typically a corner periphery of the action, the people directly involved in the core conversations sharing information back and forth between the uk and the us are probably not the people who early king, it is the people on the fringes having information is shared to them who are not at the conversation to have the greatest likelihood to leek this information. where does the temptation come from? is there a financial incentive? not really. if you are on the periphery of the investigation and you want to present yourself as being at the heart of the investigation, i think it has to do with ego. if you are in
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charge, how frustrating is it? deeply frustrating. i have been in that position before. we had a number of leaks, perhaps that position before. we had a number of lea ks, perhaps not that position before. we had a number of leaks, perhaps not as extensive as the ones we are seeing now, but we saw them in the london bombings in 2005 and when you can see the frustration of your collea g u es see the frustration of your colleagues across the water growing, when you feel they may not be sharing with you the information you will need in order to help them and it is difficult to tell precisely why might this information is coming from, usually it is not centrally important information, it is stuff thatis important information, it is stuff that is aggravating, in part because our colleagues do not know whether the next week might be damaging in ways that the ones heretofore have not. as a leader it is deeply frustrating. looking forward there is the short—term need to rebuild trust which you hinted at that you think will happen fairly promptly, but beyond that do you see anything
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changing in the overall methodology thatis changing in the overall methodology that is used in situations like this? there is a tendency on both sides to be a little more careful in the way that information is shared. that would be the case from british collea g u es that would be the case from british colleagues and probably among the people who run the scene in us intelligence. there can be downsides are that. ideally you want to be sharing information widely so that you are casting the net as widely as you are casting the net as widely as you can and not precluding the sharing of any important information. when you begin to draw the net and closer you run the risk of losing those opportunities and the risk—benefit calculus shifts over time and that is what i would be most concerned about. thank you. let's get more now on the nato meeting in brussels,
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where president trump has been addressing leaders for the first time. mr trump repeated his calls for all allies to increase their defence spending and called on all members to honour their financial obligations. i have been very direct with the secretary and members of the alliance in seeing that nato members must finally contribute their fair share and meet their financial obligations. 23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they are supposed to be paying for their defence. this is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the united states. many of these nations or massive amounts of money from past yea rs. massive amounts of money from past years. and not paying in those past
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yea rs. years. and not paying in those past years. over the last eight years the united states spent more on defence than all other nato countries combined. if all nato members had spentjust 2% of combined. if all nato members had spent just 2% of their combined. if all nato members had spentjust 2% of their gdp on defence


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