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today at 5. police name the third london bridge attacker, he was an italian national of moroccan descent. 22 year—old youssef zaghba was living in east london, italian media say british authorities had been alerted —— after he'd tried to travel to syria last year. this morning at 11 a minute's silence observed across the uk —— for the 7 people who were killed in the attack and dozens who were injured. an australian nurse kirsty boden —— is the 3rd victim to be named —— she was killed as she ran to help others during the attack. another australian —— 21 year—old sara zelenak —— has been missing since saturday —— her aunt says they're fearing the worst. she's one of those people who doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs, doesn't do anything wrong. she's amazing and she's twenty—one years of age. another man has
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been arrested in east london today in connection with the attack. we'll have the latest on the investigation. the other main stories on bbc news at 5. in paris a man has been shot and wounded by police after he attacked an officer outside notre—dame cathedral. this is the scene live. the area around the cathedral has been closed —— and people are being asked to stay away. in election campaigning here —— labour says planned cuts to the size of the metropolitan police force will make it harder to stop terror attacks in future. and with just two days to go we'll bring you ‘ask this‘ —— your questions to the parties, today it's the turn of plaid cymru. it's 5 o'clock.
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our main story is that police have named the third man who carried out the attack in the london bridge area on saturday night. he was youssef zaghba an italian national of moroccan descent. it's reported that the italian authorities had prevented him from travelling to syria last year and that he was on a watch list shared with the moroccan and british agencies. the prime minister on the election campaign trail today said the police and mi5 would review their processes —— once they'd made more progress with the investigation. his identity was revealed after scotland yard defended a decision it made two years ago, to downgrade an inquiry into one of the other attackers khuram butt. they say there was no evidence at the time —— to suggest he was planning an attack. our correspondent paul adams reports. london bridge and borough market this morning — rain—lashed tributes and streets still closed off, and more details emerging about those responsible for the carnage.
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two of the attackers were named yesterday, khuram butt and rachid redouane. but this morning brought a third name, youssef zaghba, an italian born in morocco. according to an italian newspaper, he was known to the authorities there, who tipped off british officials about his movements. which raises fresh questions about precisely what the authorities here knew about these dangerous men. according to the press report, zaghba was prevented from travelling to syria last year. did officials at mi5 know this, and if so, what kind of watch list was he on? similar questions have already been asked about khuram butt. he'd even been filmed in a documentary about british islamist extremists. the police knew all about him, but didn't think he represented an imminent threat. these are the black flags of islam. this one is actually the flag of the islamic state... but one of the other
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faces in the documentary was siddhartha dhar, now a member of so—called islamic state. in 2014, under investigation for allegedly encouraging terrorism, he jumped bail and travelled to syria with his wife and children. he's thought to have appeared in several is propaganda videos. given these connections, what more should have been known and done about the london bridge plotters? i have no doubt that they will be looking into, if there were lessons to be learned, what went wrong, did they know about this man, did they act rightly, and i'm sure in due course they'll be letting us know what went on. what i think‘s improperfor me to do, without seeing all the facts, to comment about that, but clearly there are legitimate questions raised, which are not unreasonable by journalists and members of public are asking and i'm asking about. the whole world, one day, my brothers, will be underthe sharia... many of those featured in the documentary were members of the outlawed group al—muhajiroun. one of its cofounders, anjem choudary, was jailed in 2015
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for inviting support for a banned organisation — is. one of his followers, khuram butt, was known well beyond britishjihadi circles. khuram butt was a member of al—muhajiroun going back some years. i was one of the chief... radicalisers and recruiters for al-qaeda here in the united states from approximately 2007 until my arrest in 2011. i would say that he appeared on our radar rather late but was an active member inside of our communication platform. back at london bridge, the flowers and the questions keep coming. the police have made one fresh arrest, but 12 people detained since saturday have already been released without charge. paul adams, bbc news. daniel sandford is there following the investigation in detail, the development today, that stoke first
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of all about what the italian authorities may or may not have shared, what is your understanding of this element of the investigation? youssef zaghba was stopped at bologna airport in march of last year on his way to istanbul, the italian authorities were concerned he might be making his way to syria which was beyond dispute. the italian police have also told the bbc that they then put him on and eu wide watchlist, a system which is for terrorist suspects that can be monitored by people in other countries but an italian prosecutor has told italian radio that the that the british intelligence officer based in italy was also informed and that he had then passed that on to london. all of which is very strange because scotland yard have said to us
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because scotland yard have said to us that youssef zaghba was not a person of interest either to themselves or to the security service m15 which mean something went wrong in the process of communication or once they receive the information they assessed he would not become a significant person of interest. 0vernight all of the people arrested on sunday were freed but 127—year—old man was arrested —— one 27—year—old man. freed but 127—year—old man was arrested -- one 27-year-old man. the reports about another attacker whose image we saw earlier, the fact there was some warning two years ago about kbutt. scotland yard has shed a lot of information about khuram butt with us. he told us that he had indeed been part of an investigation
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into extremism in 2015 and he had remained a person of interest, one of those 3000 people that m15 and the counterterrorism unit in the uk keep an eye on, that investigation was then downgraded because they had not found any sign of attack planning at the time. the problem all the security forces are wrestling with at the moment is you don't know someone is going to attack with their car and some knives, they don't need to prepare explosives or acquire reference, they just need to explosives or acquire reference, theyjust need to group between themselves to rent a van, get some knives and drive down to london bridge and start killing people and thatis bridge and start killing people and that is the reality the security services are dealing with and it's very ha rd services are dealing with and it's very hard for them to detect those operations. thank you daniel. a man has been shot and wounded by police in paris, after he attacked an officer with a hammer outside notre—dame cathedral. the area has been sealed off and people have been
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told to avoid the area. several hundred visitors are still being kept inside the cathedral. the gunshots were immediate and close, about 30 metres away. i was getting my bag checked in about to come inside and then heard the noise, i turned around and saw the assailants on the ground where they had shot him. it was swift and immediate, they take care of it immediately. there was no hesitation whatsoever. there were tonnes of people running in all directions and then we were brought inside at that time. even though they were running in different directions, people seem to be running from one direction
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specifically say we knew which way we needed to go. the french interior minister hasjust been we needed to go. the french interior minister has just been giving a news conference in paris. i am told he is giving an account of what happened including the attacker shouted this is for syria as he approached one of the police officers with a hammer. let's speak to our paris correspondent hugh schofield. just bring us up—to—date on what you know so far. the incident is over, the police are not looking for any other accomplices are anything and gradually all of these people who we re gradually all of these people who were stuck are being let out. this important tourist area is returning to normal. what happened was that a man was shot after it seemed he started attacking and threatening
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passers—by and police with a hammer, it is also reported he had to knives on him. at one point it looks like he may be had attacked police officers on duty outside the police headquarters which is right on the suicide of the square from notre dame, but the latest report suggests he attacked a police among the crowd in the middle of the square who were organising security generally. he attacked those police officers and he hit one on the head with a hammer and was shot by the other four stop the square was then emptied and was left was the body of this man injured or dead on the ground. the police around him and then an ambulance came and took in. what we
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don't know is the identity of the man, we are told he was hit in the chest by the gunshots and told he is alive we don't know how threatening his injuries are. thank you for the update. with me is our security correspondent frank gardner. if as is the case that is talk about paris and then london, if the man approach saying this is for syria inevitably it will lead to solid suggestions that this is part of the trend we have been looking at? the french authorities are treating this asa french authorities are treating this as a terrorist attack. this is pretty minor compared to some of the hostage situations and multiple more drinks —— marauding fire attacks. when you think about what happened in nice weather tunisia a truck into a crowd of people, this is minor compared, the fact he has been shot
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and kept alive is helpful, he will go to prison once he is rendered. he will be convicted, it's hard to see how he will be avoided. as we see the pictures can you say what is developing following the london bridge attacks because there have an important developments they including the name of the third attacker, what conclusions are you drawing today after the latest development? the conclusion of drug is not a happy one. something is fundamentally is wrong or broken about the system of identifying who isa about the system of identifying who is a potential threat. this isn't necessarily the fault of police and mis necessarily the fault of police and m15 because they cannot see inside people's heads. if time and again people's heads. if time and again people are reporting to the anti—terrorist hotline or to the police or to the authorities that
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citizen x has got dangerously extremist views, i'm worried, what are you going to do, hopefully i would like to think that all of the people involved were investigated but the problem is if they're not doing anything during that time than they then get downgraded to a lower priority. they are taken off the immediate priority list and that's the time when they can start to make plans so either they have to have better intelligence, upstream networks, the problem is they are not networks, if somebody is annoyed about something they can decide to ta ke about something they can decide to take action but they are not going to tell anybody necessarily. usually there is some form of leakage were simply can't resist telling their mates. if we are lucky that makes them reports it that a doesn't tour has happened. the system of reporting concerns isn't fully working at the moment. the
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background to this, 18 terrorist attacks have been stopped in the uk since 2013 but three have got through the last few months and more are to be tried so they have two of the game. thank you to rent. -- frank. more detail is now emerging behind who the london attackers are —— we know that one of them —— khuram butt —— was a british national, but born in pakistan —— and his uncle who still lives in the town where he was born has been giving his reaction. he's been speaking to our pakistan correspondent secunder kermani — whojoins us from islamabad —— what has he been saying? yes that's right, khuram butt was born a few hours drive away from where i am now in islamabad. it is a city where many british pakistanis
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trace their roots back to infect. he was born there that after the age of four he moved to london. his family who still live here tell us that he made two trips back during his lifetime to pakistan, one in 2009 and one and 2030, they did stay they had noticed some changes in him in between those two trips, they say in 2009 who were seem to enjoy partying, hanging out with girls for example and in 2013 when he came back after having been married he seemed to be someone with a great interest in religion, someone who had grown a beard and started praying more regularly although there was nothing extremist about him and thought a religion had a calming effect on him. they found out about his involvement on saturday nights when khuram butt‘s
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mother called up her on: saturday night at a picture the news and recognising her sun is one of the attackers. ‘s uncle said when he realised his nephew was involved he was disgusted by his actions. they condemn first of all this incident in this brutal action. i'm feeling ashamed talking about this. innocent people are killed in this action, i have very deep sympathies with all of the victims, the innocent victims, i would like to say no religion says to the shameful brutal actions. i should say he got
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quite emotional at times during our interview, at one point when i asked him what message she had for the families of those killed in the attack he started crying and said he considered those people killed his relatives, his brothers and he couldn't understand what could bring his nephew to commit such horrific violence. i also asked him what the reaction had them from his family in london and is said that they were as you might expect still in the state of deep shock. thank you. at 11 o'clock this morning a minute's silence was observed across the uk —— for the victims of the london bridge attack on saturday night. today the third victim was named as 28 year—old kirsty boden —— an australian nurse who worked at guy's hospital nearby. her family say she died after running to help others during the attack. there are also grave concerns
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for a 21 year—old australian who has been working as a nanny in london. sara zelenak‘s family say they've had no news of her since saturday —— as our correspondent daniela relph reports. bell tolls. at london bridge, where an attack changed so many lives, they came to remember. at the headquarters of the london ambulance service, the mayor of london stood with those who worked so hard to save lives. and silence in manchester, a city that shares the pain of recent attacks with london. around britain, people paused to reflect. the silence was about
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remembering the victims. they now include kirsty boden, a nurse named today as another of those killed. in a statement, her family said: the stories of those killed in a statement, her family said. these stories of those killed and injured are still emerging. for those looking for loved ones, the wait is unbearable. sara zelenak, an australian, has not been in contact since saturday night. sara's beautiful.
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she is the girl next door. she is a very special kindred spirit. she is one of those people who doesn't drink, do drugs, do anything wrong. she is amazing, and she is 21 years of age... the work of the emergency services who responded have been highly praised. today the prince of wales and the duchess of cornwall personally thank them. they visited the royal london hospital where they've heard from the first paramedics on the scene. they also spoke to doctors, nurses and other hospital staff who dealt to the injured, many severely on saturday night. the aftermath of an incident like this is a painful time for those affected. many families are 110w those affected. many families are now facing the trauma that a terror attack brings. more questions are being asked about how the attackers went
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apparently unnoticed. the foreign secretary boris johnson said the government would be looking into exactly what was know previously about the killers. the labour mayor of london —— sadiq khan —— has said that planned cuts to the size of the metropolitan police force will make it harder to stop terror attacks in the future. 0ur political correspondent mark lobell reports. after london bridge, the second terror attack to strike the election campaign, security now at its heart, to strike the election campaign, security now is under scrutiny. questions for the conservatives about whether the government missed a red flag over the third man involved. the police did the time and place for the investigation but as they said after the manchester attack there will look at their processes. asked if she was sorry for police cuts under her watch, the prime
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minister didn't apologise, wanting to focus on the task ahead. what governments need to do from friday onwards is to look at how this terror threat is evolving, the way terrorism is breeding terrorism, the increased tempo of attack, we have had three horrific attacks in the uk in the last three months. in response to claims tory cuts have made an impact, the conservatives insist more money has gone into counterterrorism and armed officers but in the capital a warning that continuing to pare back budget unsustainable. under renewed government, as a consequence of unsustainable. under renewed government, as a consequence of the kosovo policing budget, we have fewer police officers and all of the experts told me is one way we have counterterrorism is having fantastic members of police in the community. people reports background to police office rs people reports background to police officers in the community and they pass it on and that helps keep the safes and there is no doubt fewer
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police officers mean more danger. labour is promising more police and more staff for the security services, the argument from the opposition ‘s parties is that those whose job it is to protect us need more resources more powers. it's not that we don't have the ability to track and detain people, it's quite likely that because of cuts made in police and intelligence services over the years that we don't have enough hands and eyes to track people and bring them tojustice. enough hands and eyes to track people and bring them to justice. we must also opened a debate in this country as to whether we routinely, our police force, especially in major cities. at the very least we must double the number of armed police officers as soon as possible. in these final days of the campaign, parties vying for votes, tackling terrorism now tops the agenda which means they are competing on who can be trusted the most to do with the
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threat going forward. with only only two days of campaigning left, party leaders are fast approaching the final push —— to deliver their messages to the electorate. earlier the prime minister was in north wales —— and she's just left staffordshire. ben wright is on theresa may's campaign bus. ben can tell us where he is in progress up date. hi we are rumbling along the m4 at the moment, i think we're still in gloucestershire. it has been a long day for the prime minister, the busiest of her campaign, we began in lancashire this morning and visited a small ba kery this morning and visited a small bakery at around 7am and then we nipped in to wales after that, near wrexham where she met a farming family and then it was onto the midlands, a rally in stoke—on—trent
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and she took questions from the press and she has just done a walkabout at a science fair in cheltenham and charon is held by a tory mp but it actually is a target seat for the liberal democrats, unusualfor seat for the liberal democrats, unusual for theresa may's campaign because they have been rattling through seats held by labour and some instances with large majorities that that is one they think they need to keep an eye on and try to defend that she was asked earlier whether her campaign had then especially negative over the last few weeks and this is what she said. i have been fighting a positive campaign, i have been out and about as half my cabinet colleagues, as have other ministers are are out there on the ground and there's a very clear choice for people when they come to vote, there is any one person who is going to be prime ministerthen, and the person who is going to be prime minister then, and the clear choice for people the food they trust to
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get the best deal for europe, who has got the world, who has the plans for the brexit negotiations because they start 11 days after polling day and other bases for everything else. returning to familiar lines that we have heard, who do you trust with brexit. it's clear that theresa may has faced difficult question to the last few days in particular about counterterrorism and extremism and few would have thought she would be involved in a politicalfight few would have thought she would be involved in a political fight with jeremy corbyn on who has the credibility when it comes to tackling extremism and terrorism, theresa may think she has the she wa nts theresa may think she has the she wants as we heard there to bring the campaign back to brexit and the challenge coming up for whoever wins the election on thursday and i think we will hear that in the remaining hours of this campaign and at the final rally she will be holding in
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the south—east of england later today. thank you with the latest ben. and labour leaderjeremy corbyn began the day campaigning in london, and in the last hour has given a speech in telford in staffordshire. danjohnson is there for us — what's he been saying dan? a big crowd thejeremy corbyn here in telford, as we have seen throughout the campaign, he has been able to draw people in and inspire them and stirred up with his rousing speeches and has gone back to the co re speeches and has gone back to the core labour principles really and how he wants to redefine fairness in this country he says by having greater equality and improving the nhs and that has been a foundation of his campaign that he has talked about every time, here is what he told people in telford this afternoon. can we come together because we want
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additional —— a decent national health service for all of us. we are fed up in the way the tories want to divide us when we should be united. we have discussed the problems facing the service and the first thing john will do is suspend the sustainability of transformation plans and look at the whole thing to ensure we cover the whole country. crowd cheering because our health services not of the sale negotiation. it has to be there for all us. cutting class sizes and other priorities and he spoke again about police numbers, something labour has seized on after the terror attacks interrupted campaign. it was ready in the ma nifesto campaign. it was ready in the manifesto that they opposed the
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20,000 cuts in police officers to the conservative government and the promise that that labour would reinstate ten thousands of those, thatis reinstate ten thousands of those, that is something they have gone back to and you can't denyjeremy corbyn has grown in confidence as the campaign has gone on, he's more co mforta ble the campaign has gone on, he's more comfortable addressing the crowds and in talking to people one—on—one. at the end of the rallies he seems to make some time to go to the crowd to make some time to go to the crowd to meet people and shake hands and have a self taken, to sign autographs and he has that time for people and seems to be comfortable doing that in a way people say theresa may isn't. the real challenge is whetherjust inspiring people in the crowds who would vote labour anyway, can he project the message to the people home watching him thinking is he actually a credible leader. can he convince them in the short time that has left before paulo lopes. thank you very much. dan with the
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latest on the corbyn camp in shropshire. now we'll have a quick look at the weather look at the shropshire. now we'll have a quick look at the weather with louise chl well, not quite the scene we would like for a summer month but u nfortu nately like for a summer month but unfortunately this has been the story today. galeforce gust of winds in excess of 50 to 60 miles per hour for some across the country. it has brought some chaos to some rail services. we have seen heavy rain also. most sweeping away to sunny spells and scattered showers but it really is going it stay wet through the evening and overnight, particularly across the north—east of scotla nd particularly across the north—east of scotland and north—east england, heavy, persistent rain here, as much as 100 millimetres, four inches of rain before the low pressure clears through. elsewhere, a relatively quiet night. not a cold one, 9—11. we start tomorrow on a much quieter note. yes we still have heavy rain to clear through eastern scotland but elsewhere sunny spells pretty much. a cool breeze across the north—west coast of scotland. only
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around 13—to—15 but highest values likely of 20 before the next area of rain arrives which will bring wet and windy weather across the country during thursday. brighter skies across england and wales, but they tend to sit through northern ireland and southern scotland. the headlines: the third man to carry out the london bridge attack has been named as 22—year—old moroccan—italian, youssef zaghba. a minute's silence has been held across the uk for the seven people who were killed, and the dozens more injured, in the attack on saturday night. one of the seven people killed in the london bridge attacks was a nurse from australia, who ran to help those who'd been injured. the french interior minister has said the man shot and wounded by police outside notre dame cathedral, in paris, is thought to be an algerian student, who tried to attack an officer using a hammer.
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hundreds of tourists were kept inside the cathedral while the area was secured. time is 5.35. time to catch up with the day's sports news. so we'lljoin john. hi, john. many thanks. england are taking on new zealand in their second match of cricket's champions trophy. having set new zealand a target of 311 for victory, it would see the hosts reach the semifinals. joe root top scored with 64, playing several impressive shots before getting out playing onto his own wicket. jos buttler helped move england towards the 300
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mark with some superb inprovisation, building some pressure ahead of the visitors reply, he reached 61 not out. england were all out for 310. england made the best possible start in reply, opener luke ronchi bowled with the first ball he faced a short while ago nz 158—3. arsenal have announced the signing of the bosnia—herzegovina international zyad kolasinac from the bundesliga side schalke. the defender hasjoined on a free transfer with the deal set to run until 2022. southampton have asked the premier league to investigate liverpool for an alleged illegal approach for virgil van dijk. jurgen klopp has made the defender his top target this summer. and the manchester city and england women's captain steph houghton has agreed a new long—term contract with the club. she led city to a domestic title sweep last season. the cause of death of the former newcastle player cheick tiote, is still being investigated, according to the chinese club beijing enterprise. tiote collapsed in training and later died in hospital. he was just 30 years old. in his seven years at united, he made over 150 appearances, and moved to china in february. the british and irish lions
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held a minute's silence at their training session today, ahead of their second tour match in new zealand. the squad fell silent in tribute to the victims of the london terror attack. they take on auckland blues tomorrow but coach rob howley said the squad wanted to show their thoughts are with those affected. quite emotional and huge condolences from the whole squad, management, players and everyone connected with the british and irish lions for those families who lostp seven lives. it's devastating and we send our deepest condolences to all the families and out of respect, it was important that we held that one minute silence. sir ben ainslie's land rover bar team suffered a major set—back in their bid to reach the final of the america's cup. a damaged front wing in their first race of their semifinal with new zealand has seen them fall 2—0 behind. they couldn't fix it in time so they had to forfeit the second. in what is a best—of—nine series.
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we are absolutely gutted here. we thought that was really our day today. and, you know, in three years of sailing we've had maybe one wing breakage and here we are, first race of the semifinals and it goes pop, so absolutely gutted. but tomorrow's another day. there is a fantastic forecast and we'll go and sock it to the kiwis tomorrow. britain's ibf world super—middleweight champion james degale is having surgery on his right shoulder tomorrow. he says he's been carrying an injury for over 12 months but he should be able to spar again within 10 weeks and he definitely expects to fight again before the end of the year. he's already talking about a possible rematch with george groves. rain has stopped play in the quarterfinals of the french open tennis. caroline wozniacki is a set up her last eight match against latvia'sjelena ostapenko. but ostapenko is battling back and is a double break up in the second.
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it was 5—2 before rain disrupted their match. while in the day's other game, timea bacsinszky is a one set up against kristina mladenovic before play was stopped. that's all sport for now. you can keep up to date with all those stories on the bbc sport website. that's and i'll have more in sportsday at 6.30pm. thank you very much. we will see you later. with two days to polling day, we're going to take a look at policies on tax. one conservative minister said last week the party had no plans to raise income tax, though the party said later this was not a pledge or guarantee. labour says it does have plans to raise income tax for those earning over £80,000. that is to pay for some improvements in public services. in the lastest part of our reality check series, ahead of thursday's election, steph mcgovern has been exploring what the outlook is for taxes.
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tax. not many of us like paying it and sometimes it feels like we're putting in a lot more than we're getting out. so where's the money coming from and what's it being spent on? well, have a look at this chart. you can see a big contributor is income tax at £175 billion a year. not far behind are national insurance and vat. well flip the chart to show government spending, you can see there a lot of money going towards social protection and health. also education and defence are big ones, too. that all amounts to about £750 billion every year. so how do people feel about the tax they are paying and what the money is spent on? well, we've got sean, liz and hannah here. sean does tax bother you? yes and no. i mean it's taken out as i earn the money so i don't really notice it going, it is not the same as people who are self—employed.
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however, i would like to see government tackle big corporations rather than individual people. liz, you think tax is a good thing, don't you? i do, it is not a punishment. i think it is the payment we give for living in this country. do you think it should go up? as long as it goes to the right place. and for you, hannah, it is where that money is spent that bothers you. it is. it's how it's spent. it needs to be spent wisely. we are looking at national health, doing really well on 8.8% of our gdp. it is now looking to be falling down to about 6.7% and that just isn't going to be enough. i'll let you get inside. thank you. obviously the amount of tax you pay varies depending on how much you are earning. let's take the averagejoe or in our case mr punch. now this person is on a salary of about £26,000 a year. of that, they will pay out about £5,000 on things like income tax and national insurance. now looking at what this person is spending their money on, they are paying about £2,000 on vat and £700 on things like
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alcohol and fuel duty. all of that tots up to a total of £8,000. about one—third of his salary. ha—ha ha—ha. so what about the rich verses the poor? is there any difference in the tax that they pay as a proportion of income? well again, statisticians have estimated what people with different incomes will spend on different things and worked out some averages. if you look at the poorest households, those with an income of about £15,000 a year, they are paying out about 35% in tax. at the other end of the scale, a household with £88,000 a year coming in, they are paying about 34%, so the numbers don't suggest there is a big difference but some people feel that the tax system is unfair. ed, you are an economist. well, the numbers we havejust seen there, they are averages and the system is a lot more complicated than that. all of this will depend on what that person spends.
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are they smoking, are they buying beers, are they driving a car? all of this will have an affect on the amount of tax they're paying. complicated. thank you very much. whatever your situation, tax is something we all pay in one form or another. in most cases, more than one—third of our income goes on tax. and given the current pressures on public services, it's unlikely to go down any time soon. tlafs ste p h tlafs steph with thoughts on taxes. —— that was steph. we've been asking for your questions to put to the parties. over the past couple of weeks we've heard from the conservatives, the liberal democrats, labour the snp and the greens. and today it's the turn of plaid cymru. with me is their economy spokesman and assembly member, adam price. thank you for coming in. now, can i start with tax. just to set the broad context, because steph was taking us through some of the different priorities. what is plaid
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cymru's priority when it comes to taxation? i think we need to defend the principle of a progressive system. so that does mean that the broadest shoulders need to shoulder the higher burden. i think there is a case, certainly for looking at increasing the additional rate of those of the highest incomes those of the highest increasing the additional rate of those of the highest incomes of all. how do you find that? raising it. at what level? the current additional levels should be increased and also the general shift in recent years in terms of the overall tax burden from direct taxation, to income tax, to indirect taxation, which of course falls as a proportion of income, falls as a proportion of income, falls more on the lowest incomes, so i think we need to shift back to a system where actually direct taxation was the bigger source. jeremy corbyn clear the other day, corporation tax in his view needs to be increased and go back to the level where it was before 2010. what is your view on that? i think the thing on corporation tax, there is
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an opportunity to have variable rates across the different parts of the united kingdom as an arm of regional policy. so think of somewhere like wales where 30% lower in terms of average incomes per cap too, we could have a lower band of corporation tax for those parts, like wales and also some of the other, older industrial parts of the north of england as well, in order to give us a competitive advantage, if you like, to draw investment into those areas, but also to help the companies already there. i'm going to go through some of the questions. so, there are several coming in in the kind of brexit context, not surprising, tojerome who sent us this via twitter. thank you. wales voted leave as we know, what about farming. we have heard quite a lot about the dependence of farmers in wales on eu funding over the past 30 yea rs. wales on eu funding over the past 30 years. do they expect it to be made up. what is plaid cymru's view on any potential short fall and where it should be fulfilled? well this
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worries me and i think, you know, we are right to be it should be fulfilled? well this worries me and i think, you know, we are right to be concerned. because clearly as you have just said, we are hugely dependent in terms of the level of the income of farmers in wales. a different type of farming, of course to parts of southern england, that are dependent on that eu money currently. we need it make sure we do not lose a single penny of that, that gets devolved to wales and the welsh government needs to make sure it ends up in supporting farming directly. what is the mechanism for achieving that? people have to keep to their promises people who campaigned for leave did say we wouldn't lose a single penny of the money and i think there should be a simple principle in politics, what you say, the promises you give, you should keep them. so every penny that would've been coming from the eu, to welsh farmers, you think should be made up by what, a combination of the welsh government and westminster government, or how would it be made 7 government, or how would it be made e government, or how would it be made up? we all saw the figure on the
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side of a bus. wales, i mean that £350 million a week, £17 million a weeks etc, you know that money is available and should be passed on to wales as well but we were promised actually — we promised that brexit rebid if you want to put it in those terms but we were also told weent lose a single penny of £680 million a year, notjust the rural money, the regional development money, the money going to our universities, etc, we were told we wouldn't lose a single penny of that. it is absolutely vital. wales is a relatively poor part of the uk. surely we should be investing nor areas like wales, not actually taking any money away. you mentioned education and universities. this is from phil who sent us this via the bbc website. he says "if labour comes into power to end student fees in england what happens to english stu d e nts in england what happens to english students who go to scottish or indeed now welsh universities? ""what is plaid cymru's view on that? well, i have a simple principle in that plaid cymru believes in, that actually higher
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education should be free. you know, i benefited from that. i had a full grant going to university. the three of us, sons of miners, we all went to university because of that support. and i think, you know, it is actually incumbent upon us, the generation of politicses that benefited from that to make sure that young people benefit from that. so, if we have that opportunity in the next parliament to support that principle, then we will be supporting it, you know and doing it right across the uk? a question here about, in the world of education from cardiff from pauline via twitter. — does plaid cymru have plans to improve conditions and certainly pay for teachers, and it mentioned england and wales but let's talk about wales specifically. this is an area we've had lots of m essa 9 es this is an area we've had lots of messages on in terms of teachers‘ pay and recruiting teachers in some subjects is difficult. what is your
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policy? this is vital. we have said we need to introduce an immediate premium a 10% increase in all teaching staff and assistants. in wales it would cost around £40 moyle yob a year i‘m afraid i don‘t have the figures for england you will have to forgive me there. but i think it is vital. probably the single —— £40 million a year. if you track around the world the economic success stories, the single, clearest characteristic the level of investment in education and obviously the quality of teaching and attracting high—quality teachers and attracting high—quality teachers and retaining them, and huge pressures , and retaining them, and huge pressures, of course, currently within teaching profession, pay is pa rt within teaching profession, pay is part of that. it is not the only element but it is a part of — actually of society saying, we value what you do. i must have one more m, what you do. i must have one more in, ifi what you do. i must have one more in, if i can, if you don‘t mind a slightly more general one but this is something that really has come up
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time and again in this campaign. and it is to do with clarity, really, in a devolved uk. this is from someone who didn‘t leave their name but basically saying — how do the welsh public know what they are voting for? i suppose you could apply this to scotland, too — because, devolution say is confusing, says this question, we are not sure on health and education, what are we voting for? clearly there is a responsibility on journalists to explain, but do you think politicians are clear enough about where responsibility lies? i think you are right. i mean the labour party in wales, i think three of their five pledges were on devolved areas, so that doesn‘t help in terms of disspelling some of the confusion. there is a democratic deficit in wales at the moment. we have a parliament but people are unsure where power and responsibility and accountability lies. partly because we have a tra digsally read —— traditionally read more newspapers based in london, etc, so there is a media deficit, if
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you like but politicians, absolutely and political parties need to do their part in ex—be plaining where —— in explaining where be accountability lies otherwise politicians will get away with breaking some of those promises that isaid breaking some of those promises that i said earlier. thank you very much and thank you to viewers for accepting in the questions. ok, it is 5.50pm and we‘ll move on to discuss some more developments on today‘s story following the london bridge attacks. we have been learning more about the three men who launched the attack on saturday night in the borough market area of london bridge. we know at least one of them, khuram butt was known to the security services. inevitably questions being asked about how the men were radicalised and could anything have been done to stop them. let‘s go to westminster and talk to the former chairman of the conservative party and the most senior muslim politician, one of, in
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the uk, baroness warsi and you were pa rt the uk, baroness warsi and you were part of a task force asked to look into this and we were discussing your book recently when you came into the studio and you had clearly thought—out views. i‘m wondering given the dreadful events of the past few days have you changed your mind in what element of that response should be, notably on that sprent strategy we discussed a few weeks response should be, notably on that sprent strategy we discussed a few weeks ago. i think how we respond is even more relevant now after three of these tragic attacks over three months and today i have written about what i think is a clear four—point plan which could be implemented within the first 100 days of the new government at the end of this week. what i have called for in that is one, we have to go back to evidence—based decision—making. we have to move away from what has often been the basis of decision—making in counter—terrorism which has been ideological and theresa may aes a pragmatic politician would be ideally placed to do that. i have said it is time to end the policy of
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disengagement with british muslim communities, which has been in place for a decade starting with the last labour government in 2007 and continuing to the present day. i have asked for us to invest if genuine integration work, what i call "promote" work to deliver an inclusive, positive vision of what it means to be british today in 2017. and, finally, what i have said is that we have to be equally consistent in dealing with intolerance of all forms. i agree with theresa may, for too long we have been tolerant of intolerance, by that what i mean is that there are two groups of people in the united kingdom, huw, who believe these terrorist attack are all about islam that islam allows people to commit terrorist attacks. and the two groups of people who support that view are the terrorists and those on the far right who actually have a similar narrative. this is all about islam, whereas the
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majority in the middle are saying this is a distorted ideology and that‘s why we all need to work together rather than bring forward policies which could be divisive. as i understand t on saturday night you we re i understand t on saturday night you were at an interfaith service at st james‘s‘ church in piccadilly. i will let you tell us, the response from some of the young muslims there is something maybe you would like to convey is something maybe you would like to co nvey now ? is something maybe you would like to convey now? i was a speaker at the interfaith service in st james‘s‘ in piccadilly where we had people from all faiths and none and we were celebrating what we had in common. as we broke the fast and news of this terrorist attack came through, and the level of anger that i witnessed amongst young british muslims, raging anger, i talked about it, towards the terrorists who had once again attacked our citizens. who had once again had created this unease within our country and ta ken created this unease within our country and taken innocent lives and
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once again had maligned a faith that young british muslims are very proud of. the argument i keep making, huw is this, we know we have bad apples on this tree but we have a choice we can either altogether, painfully and over time, carefully reach up and ta ke over time, carefully reach up and take off these bad apples or we can shake the whole tree that this community is and let lots of good fruit fall to the floor. my view is that this issue, the security of our country is too serious an issue for us to not bring on board effectively all hands on deck and that includes british muslims who are furious. a clear exa m ple of british muslims who are furious. a clear example of that has been that religious scholars across the country, muslim religious scholars across the country have taken part in an unprecedented move where they have said they will not engage in funeral prayers for these terrorists and again the british muslim community is saying — we want to work with everybody else to make
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sure we root out this evil. a final part, the prime minister talks about things have to change and things are going to change, do you get the sense at this point that we‘ve crossed — we‘ve crossed some kind of great line and that things are going to change? i think we have. and i agree with her, enough is enough. things have to change. we have to go back to looking at what it is that could have‘ been done, whether it is the security services, the police, the security services, the police, the government, policy making or the community, what could have‘ been done differently which could have stopped each and every one of these three terrorist attacks and based upon that evidence, those are the levers we need to push and pull and that‘s why i‘m calling again — let‘s go back to what the evidence is saying, let‘s not do ideological statements, grand standing, let‘s in the make it a political issue. let‘s work together to fix the problem because the security of our country, our children‘s futures depend on it. thank you very much, very good to
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talk to you. thank you for coming baroness warsi there, former chairman of the conservative party, speaking to us at westminster. the time is four minutes to six. we will have the bbc news at six in a few minutes. i‘m be back at ten in the meantime let‘sjoin minutes. i‘m be back at ten in the meantime let‘s join louise again for the weather. have the bbc news at six in a few minutes. i‘m be back at ten in meantime let‘s join louise again for the weather. well we have been desperate for rain but it has been extreme today. it has been wet and pretty windy. it has brought trees down, as you can see by this photograph. we have had gusts of winds in excess of 50 to 60 miles per hour widely across england and wales. notjust on the coast as well but also further inland. we have seen heavy, persistent rain which is still lingering across the skies of st andrew‘s in fife and it‘ll continue throughout the night. the bulk of the weather easing. gales still likely for the next few hours but the rain continues to be an issue across the north and east. in
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actual fact across scotland we could see potentially 100 millimetres of rainfall, four inches, before the low drifts off into the north sea that. continues through the night. the winds will ease slowly but surely. the rain just the winds will ease slowly but surely. the rainjust lingering towards dawn to the far north—east of scotla nd towards dawn to the far north—east of scotland and elsewhere a quieter end to the day. we‘ll see temperatures around 9—11. we start off tomorrow morning on auto quiet note for many. still some heavy rain to clear from the far north—east. it‘ll do so. some sunshine coming through. a better day for many of us tomorrow. in actualfact temperatures will respond with the drier weather coming through. by the middle of the afternoon, we still have the remnants of some rain lingering in the northern isles and far north and east but generally speaking not bad a north wear breeze might take the edge off thing, 11-14. a might take the edge off thing, 11—14. a cold source even at this time of year. northern ireland and northern england, dry sunny weather in the offing and in the south—east, highs of 19 to 20. the high 60s, if
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we are lucky but cloud and rain will gather into cornwall and south—west wells through the end of the day which marks the start of another speu which marks the start of another spell of wet and windy weather. not as bad on thursday. the heaviest rain shooting up across the west and grinds to a halt through northern ireland, central scotland and northern england. to the north north and south of that, sunny spells and scattered showers, a quiter theme into friday. warmer still and if we do get sunshine coming through, temperatures up to highs of 21. so a brief lull in proceedings for wednesday, some more rain on thursday, quieter still, wednesday, some more rain on thursday, quieterstill, hopefully by friday. they are dangerous individuals, and that information was passed on to s015, counter—terrorism police. police raid a house in ilford, only one of the 13 people arrested since the attacks is still in detention
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