, social housing, the and i think social housing, the headline is right, i'm not disagreeing, it's not that local authorities and planning authorities and central government said we would make money, that's profit, it's about cutting costs. i'm not saying it is right... but by doing that the responsibility is pastor... they wa nted responsibility is pastor... they wanted money to be spent elsewhere. it is outsourcing to businesses that wa nt it is outsourcing to businesses that want to make a profit. they spent less money on social housing and its polity and they spent more money on something else and it's not a profit issue —— policy. the mirror is a socialist newspaper and they use profit to denigrate it, it is to do with cost and priority. profit is pa rt of with cost and priority. profit is part of the chain. no, it's not! who works with the public sector? private business. it is a policy decision! and one a minute. please don't speak across each other —— hang ona don't speak across each other —— hang on a minute. there was significant profit to be made by
using a cheaper form of cladding so it was a business decision by someone, it was a business decision by someone, here's the budget we have from the royal borough of kensington, if we use expensive cladding then we will only make profit x, if we use a cheaper one that passes regulations we will make more profit, they aren't thinking about safety. isn't that the role of about safety. isn't that the role of a planning regulator and the building inspector that says you're using the wrong cladding?m building inspector that says you're using the wrong cladding? it is all of them and they will all be in the dock. it isn't profit, it is cost. profit motivates. it is the demonisation of capitalism and that's very wrong. the daily telegraph, people who do not know where their relatives are. similaron not know where their relatives are. similar on the guardian. people out
on the street with photographs. this is one of the terrible things in situations like this. you think there is someone you can talk to and help you co—ordinate your search. after some of the terrible terrorist outrages, or is someone after some of the terrible terrorist outrages, or is someone you can after some of the terrible terrorist outrages, or is someone you can go to. i outrages, or is someone you can go to. lam person outrages, or is someone you can go to. i am person x and this is a photograph of my relative. and there have been things set up to put things together. a i—stop shop to help people. the answer is they are going to get is this awful word, don't know. the fireman, the police meant can honestly say, they do not know and there is a chance they will never know. unfortunately, in
moments like these usethe there is not a system like this. you can see all of the front pages on the bbc news website. if you have missed the programme you can watch it later. thank you very much. now it is time for meet the author. among younger poets who are sharper and wise,. wise,. whether on the page or on the stage, hollie mcnish has made quite a name for herself. her collection, plum, is about the memory of writing verses at school and how they seem now, looking back. and so it's about all the fears, embarrassments and growing pains of a young girl. welcome.
you write very graphically about all these embarrassments of adolescence. do you still feel them or do you just remember them? i still feel them. i still feel embarrassed about things now, though, so i don't know if it's changed that much. probably the same topics. well, i'm bound to say in this book that if you're embarrassed by them, you're dealing with it by writing them out of your system. well, i always have, i think. because there's no subject that you don't touch, here. no. i don't mind embarrassing myself. i think the only thing i wouldn't want to do is to write about other people. although, having said that, there is a few about my school friends but i have asked them for permission. one of the things i should tell people about this collection is that you publish lines that you wrote when you were very, very young, at school. and then you write about what it's like to look back on them, in a way. how much were you writing when you were seven, eight, nine? when i was seven, eight,
nine, not a huge amount, but i started writing a diary when i was about eight and that was alljust poems. i don't know why, i used to just read a lot of kids' poetry. did you ever think that you would be a professional poet? no, i didn't want to be, really. and you enjoy, judging by this collection, these short, pithy, repetitive, very rhythmic poems that sort of hit you quickly? i think this book has got those in it. so this book, i specifically chose poems that i maybe hadn't performed before. so i still write quite a lot and a lot of them are long and windy but i kind of chose the shorter ones. in short ones, do you often find yourself performing them before you have even written them down? yes, i think of them and then write them down very quickly. and i edit... this book, i have edited it...
i worked with a brilliant editor, don patterson, which i've not really done before with my poems, which is probably why they are a wee bit punchier because he said you don't need to repeat that five times! yes, do it four times but not five! yeah. and what about audiences? as a performance poet, i know that's a phrase that covers a multitude of sins, but if we just use it for the sake of it, somebody who comes on and delivers the poems in a very punchy way as part of a gig, what is it that the audiences like? well, from what people have said, they like the honesty in them and i guess they like someone saying things they might consider too rude or that they maybe wouldn't want to talk about. in other words, they want poems that don't seem too artificial or contrived, but actually hit you in the solar plexus? yeah. and i guess that they can understand. a lot of poetry, you have to read it five times to understand it whereas i think if you are speaking it, that's hard because you can't just ask the person on stage to read it again and again until you get what they're talking about. in a way, what you're doing with these poems,
when you said that the embarrassments and fears and eruptions of childhood and adolescence never really go away, you are trying to touch people where it hurts, aren't you? i don't think i'm trying to do anything, really. but you do it. i think you're stirring old memories among people. yeah, i think i am doing that. i guess because most people don't write a diary, most people don't record all these things whereas i did so i guess i can remember them all. you say you started writing a diary when you were eight and most of it was in verse. how long did that go on for? it's going on still, now. really? yeah. the last book i had out wasjust my diaries, about becoming a mum. so all your secrets are there? yeah, so a few of them i haven't put in. let me ask you, how will you feel when your children are old enough to read that diary? that is the main thing that crossed my head and i wondered whether i should take certain things out of every book i have published, really. that would be cheating, wouldn't it? yes, so i haven't. and actually, if my daughter doesn't like me because i had some strange sexual experience when i was
younger, i hope she's more open—minded than that. it's not that they're strange. it's that they're the usual mixture of embarrassment, failure and occasional success that probably most people go through. yeah, i guess most people don't... most people don't talk about them. they certainly don't publish them. most people don't write them down, they're trying to forget them. i think most people want to talk about them. after gigs i find that's the best bit, when i ‘m signing books or talking to people. really? yeah, they just want to tell me their stories. i love it. what do they ask you? they don't ask me, theyjust tell me their stories. that this one struck home because it reminded them of their relationship with somebody? exactly. or the first time they tried on a bra or being shy at school or whatever it is. you're particularly sharp on that transition to adolescence from the point of view of a girl. and i suppose you were writing in the knowledge that in contemporary society, the pressures, particularly on young women, young men as well, are enormous.
that's why i wanted to put those poems in this book, really. ifeel for young girls it's more complicated than anyone because you're told basically at once to be sexy all the time and not have sex all the time. we've got this strange dichotomy, especially with young teenage girls, that i don't think is very fair. and it's rather tough. really tough, yeah. if you look a certain way, you are teased for it. i think it's tough for young boys as well, actually. i don't know what it's like to be a young boy so i didn't write about that! with any good poetry, there's nowhere to hide for the poet. it's all there, isn't it? yeah, it is all there. i really don't know how people are going to take this book but i think i'm probably prepared for people knowing even more about me. well, you're exposing yourself in the sense that you're going back to your feelings, some of which are very funny, some of which are very familiar to people and for others it won't be familiar. but you're laying it all bare. yet, but i think it's kind
of important for me. i'm quite bored of taboos. i don't think they're good, especially as young people are growing up, taboos around your body, around sex, around relationships, i think actually people feeling that they need to keep secret about things... get on with life. yeah, just stop being so ashamed of everything we do and everything we feel and all the lust or whatever it is. i'm just boreed of those things being the things we shouldn't talk about. so you really want to just draw the curtains and let the light in. yeah, ifeel like if i'm alright to embarrass myself then it might be helpful for a few people, then i'll just keep on embarrassing myself! it does look as if you've enjoyed embarrassing yourself? yeah, it's great. i don't know if the family has! but i've enjoyed it! hollie mcnish, thank you very much. and now to end the programme, hollie mcnish is going to read one of the poems from her collection, plum.
"call on me". for all friends. we don't call on each other any more, we all live too far away. and now impromptu visits worry — you might interrupt my day. you do not wake me up on weekends with screams pitched to my bedroom glass. do not ring my doorbell more than once. politer, now. step off the mat. now we must plan to meet in diaries. don't dance in pjs, share the bed. you do not comb my hair for hours to practice plaits. drink tea instead. i love you still, my friends. i count our meetings down like holidays. the dream each time the doorbell rings — it's you, just called to play. good evening. a lot of dry weather ahead for the next three or four days. temperatures building as well but it freshened up a little bit
during the course of the day. ahead ofa during the course of the day. ahead of a cold flood, considerably cooler. that will continue through the night. a fair breeze. having moved that warmer air away, it will be more comfortable, particularly in the south. the warm air is not too far away. tomorrow will be cloudier than today's, in the southern areas and western side of scotland, the temperatures and sunshine will be returning. all the damp weather across the west. for the northern isles, brighter. when the early cloud clears from northern ireland, 21 cloud clears from northern ireland, 2! in belfast. cloud in northern england, midlands, north wales. more cloud further south compared to today. it will not be a
disappointing day with spells of sunshine. there will always be closer to the west of scotland, these systems. temperatures building across the spanish plateau. the warmth will migrate northwards so we will see the mid— 30s across part of france and up to 30 here in the weekend. cloud zone across scotland. and the northern isles. away from those areas, in the 20s. missed and low cloud and fog first thing in the morning. the sunday, a weather front meandering its way east. we will start to see a change. if you find the thought of 25 degrees are stifling, the coast will provide a
refreshing sea breeze. this sunshine just as strong. it doesn't matter what the temperature, the sun is just as strong with high levels of uv as you would expect approaching the midsummer ‘s days. in the new week, showers in the north and west and the case for the rest of us midweek. i'm sharanjit leyl in singapore, the headlines: the death toll in the london tower block fire rises to 17, but is expected to increase further. specialist teams are now working inside to secure parts of the building. seven people have died in an explosion outside the gates of a kindergarten in the chinese province ofjiangsu. i'm kasia madera in london. also in the programme: democrats and republicans unite. the annual congressional baseball game goes ahead a day