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today at 5: it's emerged that cladding fitted to grenfell tower during its refurbishment was switched to a cheaper version. documents seen by the bbc show that planned zinc cladding was changed foran aluminium type, which was less fire resistant, saving nearly £300,000. downing street has rebuked kensington and chelsea council after it cut short a meeting to discuss the tragedy because journalists were present. an absolute fiasco — this is why i'm calling for your resignation, not because of what happened with the fire but the sheer and ongoing incompetence that this council has shown ever since it happened. i'll be speaking to the labour leader at kensington and chelsea, who we heard there calling for the resignation of the council's leader. the other main stories on bbc news at 5: the families of five friends who drowned off camber sands last summer express their anger about safety on the beach. even back at home, there are lifeguards everywhere. there were no signs, there was nothing. i can't
believe this is happening in the uk. the funeral is held of martyn hett, a coronation street super fan, killed in the manchester arena bombing. nurseries in england say councils are failing to provide enough money to fund free childcare for three and four—year—olds. give that back! and the mischievous minions return in despicable me 3 — we'll get mark kermode's thoughts on this and the rest of this week's new releases in the film review. hello, good evening.
our main story at 5 — it's emerged that the cladding used to renovate grenfell tower was changed to a type which cost nearly 300,000 pounds less than alternatives. documents obtained by bbc news show that officials originally chose a zinc cladding for the building, but then decided on a less fire—resistant aluminium version. the cladding is thought to have contributed to the spread of the fire that killed at least 80 people. there is no suggestion a deliberate decision was made to cut fire safety, and kensington and chelsea council insists fire safety was not compromised. since the blaze, all 145 buildings tested in 45 english council areas have failed fire safety tests. 0ur correspondent nick beake is at grenfell tower. yes, jane, within hours of the inferno taking place here at g re nfell tower inferno taking place here at grenfell tower the authorities find themselves under considerable scrutiny and pressure. the
repercussions are still being felt today. the head of the ten and management association here at kensington council apparently stepped aside to manage the public inquiry. and the head of the local council at kensington and chelsea council said he was going nowhere. he rejected claims that the authority had failed local people here. we are told he is giving an interview in the next half an hour or so interview in the next half an hour orso and we interview in the next half an hour or so and we will see if his position remains the same. certainly, overnight, increased anger here with the revelation that the council saved some £300,000 by choosing a cheaper cladding when the refurbishments work to play there, and for many people here that is simply not acceptable. —— the refurbishment work took place here. the families of grenfell tower have long believed they were not valued. poor people living in a rich borough. now they say their suspicions have been confirmed, with the revelation the cladding
used for the refurbishment of the block was changed to a cheaper version. this is like a coffin in the sky, and these children are deeply traumatised, and... the news has enraged those fighting for justice for grenfell. it is just further evidence of how little value they attach to people's lives, people who live in social housing, and the community, those affected and the wider community, are utterly sick of this lack of value ascribed to human beings who pay their council tax, who pay these people's wages. i mean, it's unacceptable. planning documents from 2014 uncovered by bbc news show that the council saved £293,000 by switching to a cheaper, less fire resistant option. so instead of the zinc panels with the fire retardant core that residents were first promised, aluminium panels with a plastic core were fitted instead. there's no suggestion a deliberate decision was made to cut fire safety. chaos at kensington
and chelsea council last night. the authority had tried to ban journalists from a meeting, but the high court ordered they could come along. just minutes in, though, the council leader wound up proceedings, saying what they were discussing could prejudice the upcoming public inquiry. this is a move criticised by downing street today and it led one conservative in the council to call for his own leader and deputy to resign. the council is about to take back responsibility for the aid and support operation sometime over the next week or so, and ijust don't think it's credible to ask the people of north kensington to accept the council as manager of that operation under the current leadership, because they feel that they have failed. testing of cladding on other tower blocks across the country goes on. every one of the 149 high—rise buildings examined so far has failed a safety test.
but some believe the process isn't working because the tests focus on the core of the panel, rather than the panel as a whole. they should have been fire tested. and the information that we've got now is that they haven't been fire tested — they've just tested the core of the panel. they haven't tested the whole panel. and they haven't tested the insulation that sits in the cavity fill behind the panel. tests are too late for the victims of grenfell tower. for survivors, news that they were given a cheaper level of protection only compounds their sadness and anger. and their confusion as well. some people are asking the question here, how can it be that the council having chosen a cheaperform of cladding, how could it have the same fire safety rating is more expensive forms? so for them the whole testing regime does not add up. that could
be the sort of question and the sort of issue that comes to light in the public inquiry. we have heard in the last few minutes thatjeremy corbyn is calling on the prime minister to broaden the public inquiry. he would like to see it essentially take place in two parts, the first one specifically looking at grenfell tower and all of the refurbishment work that took place there, the emergency response, but secondly he wa nts emergency response, but secondly he wants the second part to look at and fire safety on a national level, so really a n fire safety on a national level, so really an all—encompassing inquiry that looks much wider beyond this particular part of west london. back to you, jane. particular part of west london. back to you, jane. nick, thank you. nick beake from grenfell tower itself. in a few moments i will be speaking to the leader of the —— bill labour bof the leader of the —— bill labour bof the council from kensington and chelsea council. there is still anger in the community, with residents of grenfell tower living in temporary accommodation across london.
frankie mccamley has met one man who managed to escape with his family from the ninth floor of the block, but who are now stuggling with the aftermath and trauma of that night. salaheddine lived on the ninth floor of g re nfell tower with his wife and two children. now all four of them live a few miles away in a hotel. what is it like living in this room? it is small. you have a double bed and two single beds for your children. yeah, it is crowded. it is a nightmare, i tell you. it is a nightmare. i can't sleep. i sleep and i wake up. i sleep maybe four hours a day, a night, and just in one room with two children who just want to get out, they want to get out. salaheddine's family escaped from grenfell tower with seconds to spare. safe on the ground, his wife called her brother, who lived on the 21st floor. abdul aziz el—wahabi, his wife fouzia, and their three children, nurhuda, who was 15, 21—year—old yasin and mehdi,
just eight years old, are all missing, presumed dead. a devastating reality that salaheddine's children are struggling to cope with. my son become angry, yeah? very nervous. he's changed. and my daughter's situation, it's like a bit, as well. if she ask her to paint something, she will paint the tower on fire and people jumping. what's it like being a father, seeing your daughter draw something like that? it's not easy. it's not yet clear when the family will be able to leave this room and move into their new home. they hope to stay in the area and at some point go on a family holiday. as promised... with me is robert atkinson, who's a labour councillor on kensington borough council.
good evening. first, we havejust heard about the letterjeremy corbyn has written, seeing the scope of the inquiry should be broadened. what is your take on that? i think that is correct. the judge has your take on that? i think that is correct. thejudge has said he can't a nswer correct. thejudge has said he can't answer everything and move in all directions, if he says that then we ought to appoint a second and perhaps. but we have a national crisis beyond kensington and chelsea over tower blocks and that needs to be acted on in parliament. we need to work out what needs to be done with them now, so i welcomejeremy corbyn's contribution. the point being that that cladding was used on lots of buildings across the country, as we are discovering. yes, completely. people watching might have seen the footage from the council meeting last night. you're quite clearly calling for the reader to go. what is your key reason for that? because they have failed to deal with the crisis after the fire. iam deal with the crisis after the fire. i am leaving it up to the judge at
the moment to work out how the fire happened. the reason i am calling for their resignation is that they have failed to provide decent services and how is the people made homeless. i still have residents without hot water ten days after they were sent back to their homes. you're talking about people who live near that our? yes. they have gone back to flats, two houses, with no utilities? with no hot water. there isa utilities? with no hot water. there is a problem that the water tanks we re is a problem that the water tanks were destroyed, but in that case perhaps they should not have been encouraged to go back. and when you put that point to the leader or the deputy, what reasons are you giving, what explanations? i am loftily told it is being taken care of, but i have been told that for ten days. and not all the residents are living within that borough. do you have any sympathy with the fact that we all know there is a squeeze on housing in london, and presumably no council
has flats and houses just sitting empty ready for an emergency? this is the essence of my ongoing concern. that kensington and chelsea has been offered support by other borrowers, for example, by hammersmith, and they were very slow to ta ke hammersmith, and they were very slow to take up the offers of temporary accommodation. there definitely a housing... and emergency housing crisis across london, and that needs to be addressed, but kensington and chelsea, unlike the other councils, have a lot of money. kensington and chelsea should have been throwing money at this problem, but they haven't, because they are incapable of running themselves. but have you, as the leader of the labour group, have you over the years been pushing for that and saying, look, you have money in the bank, you should be thinking... yes, it is the constant theme of the labour group, every single year. the council seems to pride itself on being the wealthiest local authority in europe, and yet they are still reluctant to spend money where it is needed, on the
ordinary residents of kensington and chelsea, and they seem to have had a policy that if they don't like it, they can go somewhere else. and i thought about oversight of building projects generally, because of course we are talking about cladding put on this tower as part of a big refurbishment. it finished last summer. the more people read about this, the more they are becoming aware of the extraordinary chain of command. so many bodies and organisations caught up in one single refurbishment. how much oversight does the council have when this sort of project is going on? well, i have been a councillor in kensington for a long time. we used to have a housing department which knew what was happening and who provided the services themselves, so they could then be held to account. the council hived off housing to the council management group that has clearly failed down the line. and ahead of that organisation has gone
today? yes, about time as well, but we cannot keep making lesser officials scapegoat. the head of the council, his deputy leader and his cabinet need to go and i hope that is what is happening tonight. we will see what emerges over the course of the evening, but to go back to the point about big building projects, i appreciate these are very large projects with large budgets, but usually it is to do with the fact that there is not a separate housing department. would you, would any councillor, during a big project like that, have had interim reports, oversights, any input? with you at any stage have been given an opportunity to question? has this or that been done and so on? yes, there have been labour councillors on the tenant management organisation and they have handed over their files management organisation and they have handed over theirfiles as part of the investigation, which shows that the council was constantly challenged about the way in which that rebuild was conducted. so, yes, we have challenged its throat.
challenge because you were not happy as it was progressing? —— we have challenged it throughout. we were not happy with how the residents we re not happy with how the residents were being treated and that the project was being properly supervised. we will have to leave it there but like you very much for coming in. thank you. seven men including five young friends who drowned off camber sands last summer died due to misadventure, a coroner concluded this afternoon. lifeguards weren't employed at the beach in east sussex until after the five deaths in august, even though the rnli had recommended their use three years earlier. the coroner said he did not know whether the presence of lifeguards would have prevented last summer's drownings. 0ur correspondent lisa hampele is in hastings for us. where the ceiling has been taking place. -- where this hearing has been taking place. the coroner concluded all seven men died due to
misadventure. he said in 2007 the rnli had reprimanded deploying lifeguards and that did not happen, but he said it was not known whether that would have prevented the deaths. he wrote to the secretary of state for transport and other organisations including those representing the families here, saying there appears to be no governance risk control of risk management on beaches, and he asked whether coast guard associations should be given more resources. he said, is leaving everything to a charity enough? after this the sister of one of the victims said that the beach was not safe. there we re that the beach was not safe. there were no staff to observe what was going on in the sea, if anyone was in trouble. no one did anything. there were no lifeguards, no lifeguards. even back at home, there are lifeguards everywhere. there was no warning, no signs, nothing. i
can't believe this is happening in the uk. my colleague duncan kennedy has been following this inquest all week. kobi saththiya nathan, his brother ken, nitharsan ravi, inthushan sriska ntharasa and gurushanth srithavarajah — the five friends who died on a summer's day out. their families came for the final time, to hear what happened to them and why they drowned. it was last august they'd all gone for a day trip to camber to play volleyball in the water, when this emergency took hold. today, a key expert on beaches and currents gave the fullest account yet of what probably happened; of how the five were playing far out to sea on these sand bars and were trapped when the tide turned. dr simon boxall said powering currents and water temperatures, 12 degrees cooler than a swimming pool, meant the men probably went into shock. the water was cold. they panic, if one of them got
into difficulty, for example, the others would try and rush to help. you can see how what started off as a very enjoyable day on the beach could turn into the tragedy that it did turn into. rother council, which runs the beach, has put in life guards now, but said lack of money was partly the reason why there weren't any last summer, despite two recommendations from the rnli. the council said it had put in other measures to enhance safety, like beach patrols and signs. just a month earlier, on the same stretch of coast, mohit dupar had tried to save gustavo silva da cruz, but both men had also drowned. the inquest heard that between 1974 and 2012, 50 million people had visited camber sands without any sea—based fatalities. yet in the space of one month last year, seven men died here. duncan kennedy, bbc news, at the camber sands inquest. last august there were 2050 people
on camber sands. five friends on the beach, they got into difficulty and later that day their bodies were being dragged onto the beach and frantic attempts were being made to save their lives. all five died, and as we heard, a month earlier two men drowned on the same stretch of water, and now questions are being asked about funding and beach safety. thank you very much, lisa there from hastings in east sussex, where the coroner recorded ,—year—old, that those deaths were by misadventure after seven people drowned last august —— where the coroner ruled that those deaths were by misadventure. he was just coming through on bbc news tonight, we are just hearing the head of kensington
and chelsea council has resigned. he is standing down. let's listen in. and the horror that ensured for people trapped inside. many questions about the cause of the fire, and why it spread so quickly will need to be answered by the public inquiry. there are clearly national issues to address around regulation. the scale of this tragedy was always going to mean that one borough alone would never have sufficient resources to respond to all the needs of the survivors. and those made homeless, on its own. we have been very lucky to have the support of other london boroughs, the emergency services and the community association is based in north kensington, and i am very grateful to all of them. this council has also been criticised for failing to answer all the questions that people have. that is properly a
matter for the public inquiry. that people have. that is properly a matterfor the public inquiry. as council leader i have to accept my share of responsibility for these perceived failings. in particular my decision to accept legal advice that i should not compromise the public inquiry by having an open discussion in public yesterday has itself become a political story, and it cannot be right that this should have become the focus of attention when so many are dead or still unaccounted for. i have therefore decided to step down as leader of the council as soon as a successor is in place. they will appoint a new deputy leader and cabinet. as i said yesterday this is a huge human tragedy for so many families. the task for my successor is to ensure that the strengths which also characterise this place and north kensington in particular i seem to play their part in bringing the community together and ensuring that this borough, the most wonderful
place, can start to move forward from this tragedy. thank you very much. i shan't be answering questions, thank you. so that was the leader of kensington and chelsea council in london, the conservative leader of the council, nicholas paget—brown. he says he is going to stand down. he said he will go as soon as a successor is in place. we we re soon as a successor is in place. we were just talking soon as a successor is in place. we werejust talking in soon as a successor is in place. we were just talking in the last few minutes to the leader of the labour group on the council, still visibly angry. he had been calling for nicholas paget—brown to go because, he said, just in the last few minutes to me, specifically because of the way the council had handled the aftermath of the tragedy. and the aftermath of the tragedy. and the fact that so many people are now of course living in temporary accommodation, lots of them not in the borough itself, and even those living in that area are still very badly affected, on top of those who used to live in grenfell tower itself. nicholas paget—brown saying that one borough alone would never
have had sufficient resources to deal with this tragedy because such was its scale, but he does apologise and he stands down, as soon as a successor is in place. he described it as successor is in place. he described itasa successor is in place. he described it as a huge human tragedy for so many families. that news just in it as a huge human tragedy for so many families. that newsjust in in the last few moments, and we will bring your reaction as soon as that comes. it is 20 minutes past five. let's turn to the aftermath of the manchester arena bombing. stars from coronation street were among hundreds of people who attended the funeral of one of the manchester attack victims this afternoon. 29—year—old martyn hett was one of 22 people who died in the bomb attack at an ariana grande concert in may. martyn was a self—confessed coronation street superfan — and some of the soap's stars were there to pay their respects. his family said the service at stockport town hall
was to "celebrate martyn's life." the coffin was adorned with pictures of corrie characters and the coronation street sign. martyn was also a huge fan of the singer mariah carey, who sent a video message tribute. i know that your shining down on us from heaven, and i'm happy that all yourfamily and your from heaven, and i'm happy that all your family and your friends could be together in honour of you, and that i played a small role in your life is a huge honour to me, and i just want to send love to everyone there, that's there, to honour your life. god bless you. that message sent from mariah carey. also to tell you a funeral has been held for another of the victims of that manchester bombing attack. megan hurley was aged 15 and from merseyside.
her family asked for privacy at today's service, where the bells of st nicholas church in halewood rang 22 times for the victims of the bombing. people were encouraged to wear megan's favourite colour, orange, in her memory. it is 25 past five. the iraqi army says it will announce the total recapture of mosul from the so—called islamic state group within the next few days. but fighting remains fierce, and the situation for civilians still trapped in the old city deteriorates further, in the searing summer heat. joining me now from baghdad is peter hawkins — unicef‘s representative in iraq — who has made frequent trips to assess the plight of civilians in mosul. it is good of you to speak to us, and it is astonishing from the outside that people are still living
there, but can you remind us how many are still living there and talk about the conditions? it is absolutely horrific. we do not know how many children are left inside west mosul as the fighting comes to a grinding halt, but we know that thousands of children have been trapped in there, in their basements, four weeks now as the fighting has been taking place over their heads. from the children that we have found, who fled, those children who survived fleeing the fighting, who have not been shot or maimed by mortarfire, they have beenin maimed by mortarfire, they have been ina maimed by mortarfire, they have been in a desperate situation. they have honestly been inactive in their basements, petrified and traumatised. we have been able to give them water to rehydrate, and food. and some hygiene kit so they can wash and look after themselves, but for those children who are left there, it must be horrific for them. they do not know what is happening from hour to hour, day to day, and
their protection has to be at the top of our list of questions. we hope, and the signs are, that this may finally come to a conclusion in the next few days. but from everything you are describing there, the practical and physical needs are obvious, but what strikes me is the emotional toll this has taken on everyone, but particularly shirley on children? what help can be given to them in the aftermath? —— particularly surely on children. yes, and many of these children have been separated from their families. that, in itself is extreme. some of them are still looking for their families and some have families still left inside. but you are 100% right. it is the emotional trauma of all of this that will be with them for a long time to come. there are social needs are being met. we have
child friendly places where they can start to play with their friends and access educational facilities and start to go to school, and that in itself helps to regulate what they are doing on a day—to—day basis, and helps them think forward. for those particularly traumatised, who have specialised needs, we have specialised needs, we have specialised care being made available, very difficult in this context, to help them overcome what they have been through, and start to rebuild their lives in the future. well, perhaps we can again speak in future days when we know more, thank you so much for your time tonight. we appreciate your time, the unicef representative in iraq, peter hawkins. back here nurseries in england say local councils are failing to provide enough money to fund more free childcare for three and four—year—olds. from september, children will be
eligible for 30 hours of free nursery education if both parents are in work. but the national day nurseries association say the numbers don't add up. 0ur education correspondent, gillian hargreaves, reports. from september, all three and four—year—olds in england will be eligible for up to 30 hours free childcare to help working parents. it was a flagship conservative policy in the 2015 general election, and will cost the government an extra £1 billion. however, the national day nurseries association asked 128 local authorities how much they will pay nurseries for subsidised hours from september. the average hourly rate will go up from £3.97 this year to £4.37 next year, an increase of 40p. despite a government proposal that no nursery should receive less than £4 per hour, seven authorities are offering less than that. the association says the rise is too low, and won't cover costs like heating, lighting and a rise in the national living wage, meaning some nurseries will opt out of extended free childcare. the current funding levels are totally inadequate,
and if nurseries opt out of delivering the 30 hours' free childcare, that will mean 50,000 children, which is equal to the entire population of manchester, are going to miss out on this 30 hours of free childcare. parents dropping their children off at nursery this morning had strong feelings about the issue. it is disappointing because obviously, you know, other nurseries have got that 30 hours free, potentially, which is a bit of a shame. i can understand from their perspective but it is, actually, from a parent's perspective, it will be a bit of a challenge. they should definitely request a bit more money from the government. i know how difficult that is but it is the next phase. the government has committed an extra £1 billion to fund the extension of hours on top of £6 billion already spent on early years education. gillian hargreaves, bbc news. much more coming up. we will have
the latest on the fallout of the horrific fire with the news that their leader of the council is going to resign. we will have more on that. we pause for a moment to get the weather. things are looking good for the weekend. things are looking good out there. there is some patchy rain and more coming in from the north sea. it will not be very widespread. eventually it will clear away. temperatures not dropping too much overnight, 14 degrees typical and single figures in the far north. it is looking drier and brighter. especially in england and wales. the
rain will not last long and then it will brighten up across england and wales with some light winds. slightly different in scotland and northern ireland. warmer in aberdeen, 20 degrees. it will be dry in most places on sunday. most of us will find it dry and bright. this is bbc news at 5pm. the headlines: the conservative leader of the council has now is that he will resign following the grenfell tower tragedy. it comes after criticism of the council's response to the disaster in which at least 80 people have died. jeremy corbyn has written to theresa may with a call to broaden the public inquiry
into the grenfell tower disaster, after the judge appointed to lead the inquiry warned it may be too narrow to satisfy all survivors. the cladding fitted to grenfell tower during its refurbishment was changed to a cheaper version, saving nearly £300,000. documents seen by the bbc show that zinc cladding originally proposed was replaced with an aluminium type. a coroner has concluded that the deaths of seven young men who drowned in two separate incidents off camber sands last summer were all due to misadventure. the funeral is held of martyn hett, a coronation street superfan who was killed in the manchester arena bombing. we will talk more about grenfell tower in the next few minutes but
first we will catch up with the sport moves. good afternoon. heather watson has missed out on a place in the final at eastbourne after a defeat. her opponent took the first set before treatment to an abdominal injury so what's in back to take it 6—3. the decider was a tight site as both plug—in for victory. there was a break in the final game of the match. i am disappointed with the loss today as i felt i got myself back into the match and gave myself opportunities to win. caroline is a great player and it was always going to be difficult. she is a great move and retriever. it has been a good week and no straight onto the next one. yan content should been playing
the second semi but were true with a back injury this morning after a nasty fall in her game yesterday. we we re nasty fall in her game yesterday. we were doing the best speaker to re cover for were doing the best speaker to recover for today but it was not quick enough. i still quite sore and it isa quick enough. i still quite sore and it is a big tournament next week for all of us but it is something i have to do is regard when it comes to my health. it has to come first and i am doing everything i can to be ready for wimbledon. i am taking a day at a time. andy murray says he is feeling good although his preparations for wimbledon have been hit by injury. people don't have this final warm up match due to a sore hip. he could not practice yesterday but he got out with his coach earlier, although he was moving rather gingerly at the club. after the session andy murray said that he was hopeful that he would be
fit for monday. how are you feeling? good thank you. good news for cricket fans. live matches will be returning to the bbc for the first time in years after a new deal was done with the ecb running from 2020-2024. it done with the ecb running from 2020—2024. it includes tv highlights of all the immense home internationals. the chief executive of the ecb believes it will help the sport to attract young people. of the ecb believes it will help the sport to attract young peoplem of the ecb believes it will help the sport to attract young people. it is a game changing dealfor cricket in this country. the key elements we have brought to there on this are massively increased reach and revenue, as well as a complete transformation of the promotion of the game in the future. if focus on participation and a desire for us to get as many children playing cricket as they can. it is exciting.
barcelona have activated their buy—back clause for a player who will return to the camp in a two—year contract. this being under 21 captain was not part of the band last season, spending this season on loa n last season, spending this season on loan at a c milan. he will cost barcelona about £10.5 million. j jones has missed out on a gold—medal out the world tae kwon do championships in south korea. she took bronze. jones has won two 0lympic titles but has never been a world champion and she was beaten by a korean in the semifinal. two other competitors also picked up bronze medals to make it a record medal tally. she will have to wait until manchester to complete a career grand slam. it was my fault, i did not fight as well is normally did.
sometimes you lose. ijust have to go away from here and train hard and get better. i am saving the big occasion for manchester. that is all the sport for now. you can keep up on the bbc sport website. there will be more at 6:30pm with lollipops. —— all a foster. the leader of the council in london, nick pagett—brown, is stepping down following criticism of his council's response to the grenfell tower disaster. we can hear what he had to say in the last couple of minutes. as council leader, i have to accept my share of responsibility for these feelings. in particular my decision to a cce pt feelings. in particular my decision to accept legal advice that i should not compromise the public inquiry by
having an open discussion yesterday has become a political story. it cannot be right that they should become the focus of attention when so many are dead or unaccounted for. i have decided to step down as leader of the council as soon as his successor is in place. they will appoint a new deputy leader and cabinet. as i said yesterday, this isa cabinet. as i said yesterday, this is a huge human tragedy for so many families. the task for my successor is to ensure that these strengths that also characterise this place and north kensington in particular i seem to play their part in bringing the community together and ensuring that this borough, the most wonderful place, can start to move forward from this tragedy. the leader of kensington and chelsea who says he is standing down as soon as a successor is found. nick pagett—brown is resigning in the wa ke pagett—brown is resigning in the wake of the fire. and the fire has
shone a light on the complexities surrounding large projects like the refurbishment of the summer and it reminds us of the number of companies that are involved in a single project. we can discuss that now. to discuss that with me now is bobby chakravarthy, president of the association of planning safety. we read in the newspapers the nearly 60 companies play a part in refurbishing a tower block like that, is that normal? that is normal considering the scale of the project we are dealing with. there is nothing unusual. sometimes more people are involved. construction is very specialised and there are a lot of specialised involved a different times and they all had equal responsibility. it is not uncommon
to have so many trades involved in construction. i'm trying to make it as simple as i can, but is it going to basics like there will be a specialist who looks at lighting, another who looks at the environmental impact. there is a specialist for every element, is that the reconstruction operates in this country now? that is how it is and we have specialist at every level of construction. in design there are many specialists, in procurement there are specialist and that construction. we all come together to make sure that the project is to live at in a safe and sta ble project is to live at in a safe and stable weight, which is the most important thing. each of those companies or groups or whatever we wa nt to companies or groups or whatever we want to call them, does each of them have responsibility for the safety of their particular work, electric saw utilities? it is. there are
regulations they clearly outlines the responsibility duty of care on eve ryo ne the responsibility duty of care on everyone who was involved in construction. that the client. -- that includes the client. once the work is finished and someone has a problem with an element of the work, how do they work out who to talk to? who is responsible? generally when there is a problem they will identify which specialism or trade was involved in managing that issue. then the client often goes back to the trade to ask for a resolution. in construction all the trade responsibilities and duties i clearly specified. at any point in time, everyone will be aware of who is responsible for which part of the construction process, including health and safety. in this horrific
situation we are trying to work out who was to blame, how we define that and where the fault lays. it is fair to say that that is going to be a difficult process because there are so many chains of command. difficult process because there are so many chains of commandm difficult process because there are so many chains of command. it will be very long and complicated but i think more than anybody else the construction industry is very keen to get to the bottom of this we understand what has happened and then we can make sure it never happens again. we appreciate your time tonight, thank you very much. staying with the many elements of the story, we have also been talking about the fact thatjeremy corbyn, the labour leader, has written to the labour leader, has written to the prime minister as skipper the public inquiry into grenfell tower, the scope of it, to be expanded. we can get some more than that from ian
watson, our political correspondent. what is jeremy watson, our political correspondent. what isjeremy corbyn asking for? he is first of all worried that the terms of reference for the inquiry are going to be too narrow. he worries about the immediate circumstances surrounding the fire and says the theresa may said she would include residents in the inquiry and she cannot believe that they would want to deal such a narrow basis, so here's colin for it to be expanded. he is also calling for a specific timetable to be set to find out what went wrong at g re nfell tower. to find out what went wrong at grenfell tower. we to find out what went wrong at g re nfell tower. we have to find out what went wrong at grenfell tower. we have heard from thejudge that has grenfell tower. we have heard from the judge that has been appointed that it could take a year to produce a report, he is saying that an interim inquiry must be produced by september 20 17. we're not had a formal response from downing street, but the feeling is that if this is going to be an independent inquiry thejudge has to
going to be an independent inquiry the judge has to decide some of those issues. there is pressure getting put on the prime minister to deliver on behalf of the residents and then jeremy corbyn deliver on behalf of the residents and thenjeremy corbyn once his second phase which is much broader in scope looking at the problems in terms of building regulation and so on. his fear is that the initial inquiry, the scope of that, will be to narrow. he wants to keep the political pressure up. many thanks. you are watching bbc news. the headlines: nick pagett—brown has announced he is stepping down following criticism to the council's response to the g re nfell tower. a coroner has concluded that the deaths of five friends