tv Politics Europe BBC News July 9, 2017 5:30am-6:01am BST
the 620 summit in hamburg has closed with a failure by world leaders to bridge the divide over climate change. angela merkel said she deplored america's decision to withdraw from the paris agreement. president trump said his first summit was a success for his policies on trade and energy. state television in iraq say security forces are on the verge of retaking the city of mosul, which has been under the control of the so—called islamic state. some soldiers were celebrating on the streets, but there's still no official word of victory from the iraqi government. injapan, 16 people are thought to have been killed after heavy flooding destroyed many homes. search and rescue teams are still looking for the missing. the national weather agency said some places have seen more rain in a matter of hours than they usually get injuly. now on bbc news, it's time for politics europe. hello and welcome to politics europe. the french president
emmanuel macron says europe has lost its way and promises to hold democratic conventions across the eu to discuss reform. the eu strikes at outlying free—trade deal with japan but with much of the details still to be hammered out. meps discuss how to be hammered out. meps discuss how to plug the eu funding gap after brexit. we report from strasbourg. and just what was getting the commission presidentjohn hood yorker so hot under the collar? commission presidentjohn hood yorker so hot under the collar7|j yorker so hot under the collar?” will never, i will never again attempt a meeting of this kind. some may wonder if that is a promise or a threat and it is all become in the next 30 minutes and with me, joined by two meps, the conservative sajjad karim and for labour. welcome. first of all, this is the round—up of the latest eu news injust of all, this is the round—up of the latest eu news in just 60 seconds. i'm under the new french president
gave a speech saying the european union had lost its way in the past ten years. the solution is a new generation of leaders like him, presumably. eu and japan reached every work agreement on a free—trade agreement, paving the way for motor race on goods by japanese car than farming product. it's the last leg for the european parliament is all a sports day and lessons outside, meps voted to approve a i million euros aid package for moldova, defeated a bid to give northern ireland special status within the eu following brexit, and just ask whether they should be based in a single city and stopped their monthly shuttle from strasbourg and back. it also got a ticking off from the president juncker after a few dozen meps turned up to hear him speak. you are ridiculous. he also said he'd never again attend a meeting of the kind. meps were unsure if it was a threat
oi’ meps were unsure if it was a threat ora meps were unsure if it was a threat or a promise. how significant is the trade agreement with japan question mark isn't it just trade agreement with japan question mark isn't itjust symbolic? not at all, there are several factors around the trade deal and one is how long it's taken, which is a lesson to all of us, and every still more to all of us, and every still more to do. how long have taken? four yea rs to do. how long have taken? four years to get this far and there are still further processes to go through, the it's something we need to keep a steady eye on. it also, it is between these two enormous kind of economic bases and you know, where you have japanese manufacturers oi’ where you have japanese manufacturers or other companies, you know, need to keep an eye on this because what will happen to our trade with japan? we will come to it ina trade with japan? we will come to it in a moment but i mean is a symbolic in terms of pr and head of the 620 because there's still so much to negotiate. i mean they haven't actually tied the deal have they? and this was arrived at the moment from where it would seem that there
is no pulling back now. right. is another of tidying up exercise is still to do. what i found interesting about this was that the japanese stated that this was a deal done between them and the 28 members of the european union. so including... including the united kingdom which i believe sends a strong signal that the united kingdom remains open for business and that we welcome this deal and we are ina and that we welcome this deal and we are in a position to do similar deals ourselves, post— brexit. are in a position to do similar deals ourselves, post- brexit. and do you agree with that? isn't this than an example of what could be achieved, albeit in a shorter space of time if the government gets its way, a free—trade deal between the uk and the eu? well, we absolutely have to land deal between us and the eu. they have managed to with japan. 0ver four years. we have less than two years left in terms of the —— sorting out our exit which become significant in terms of thought we'd do in transition. but also to have
an equality of the scale of the economy is when you are looking at the eu and japan. we are in a different position thought of in the future if we are looking atjust the uk to bring trade. isn't that the problem? twice as long as the amount of time that theresa may and davis davis have at their disposal to secure trade deal between the eu?” think the challenges are huge and you shouldn't underestimate it. think the challenges are huge and you shouldn't underestimate itm it impossible to achieve? the other thing to bear in mind is it doesn't cover services. any have not cover services as well. the challenge is a far greater than the japanese challenge and therefore we really are going to have to concentrate our minds ina are going to have to concentrate our minds in a very short space of time to deliver this. is it realistic? and if the actually concentrate our minds to the real issues, we are not going to get this timeline. and the real issues that aggression before trade and the economy or the other way around ? trade and the economy or the other way around? the economy must come first. immigration must be a
secondary issue. if we do with the other way around secondary issue. if we do with the otherway around i'm secondary issue. if we do with the other way around i'm afraid our economy and this whole issue of meeting the deadlines is going to unravel very quickly indeed. but talk aboutjuncker, it was quite an outpost, he was cross, not many meps turned up to hear him address the parliament. was it right to criticise you guys? no, i don't. he had a moment, that happens, we all have our moments every had a moment, that happens, we all have oui’ moments every now had a moment, that happens, we all have our moments every now and then. reality is like westminster, if people aren't in the chamber, that's because they are working elsewhere in the building. i was in working groups that morning, i have three back—to—back working groups on the different pieces of legislation we are working on. so the reality is very different from the one he was talking about here. we have monday — thursday as with westminster to get a lot of work done and you concentrate on effective work rather than sitting in chambers. do you agree he overstepped the mark would
do you feel as president of the commission he was due a bit of respect from elected representatives like yourself to at least come and hear him speak? i think this works both ways. there has been a number of occasions where he should have actually been present in the chamber himself and he wasn't. right. actually been present in the chamber himselfand he wasn't. right. so actually been present in the chamber himself and he wasn't. right. so it works both ways and if we are willing to accept he cannot always be there, he needs to be the same for us. he got a real telling off though from the head of the parliament. i would expect nothing less! right. we will end up there. and he has apologised since. true, mrjuncker? yes. now what will the eu look like after brexit? it has been the topic of discussion amongst leaders and this week president macron waded into the debate. 0n monday he said that the european union had to be revived by a new generation of leaders. and he announced that france and germany would launch a graphic conventions by the end of 2017, with the aim of
re— founding europe. he insisted each member state would be free to sign—on or not. but there is no longer time for quick fixes. 6erman chancellor angela merkel has signalled her support for a change in europe, one day after the briton negotiations began, she told the federation of german industry she was open to a joint eu finance minister. it only if the framework conditions are right. and she said she would discuss the eurozone by the budget, as long as it is clear that this will truly strengthen structures and do meaningful things. the debate follows on from mr juncker ‘s white paper outlining five scenarios the future of the eu, it was discussed at the rome summit in march. that ranged from the eu re— focusing solely on the common market to foster integration between nations and admit all that and the brexit negotiations, the uk will have to decide if it is still to
join an eu wide battle group which britain has committed forces to join from 2019. after the uk is due to leave the eu. well, we've been joined by party. what is macron's grand plan big europe? what are these democratic conventions look like? of course there are a lot of expectations on his shoulders right now, this was a manifesto promise appears to hold democratic conventions of property have still extended across the eu and i think this is the basis on which he constructed his own campaign when he was running for president here and the expectation is you can build a bottom—up sort of democracy and the people themselves can shape the priorities of the french presidency 01’ priorities of the french presidency or the european union going forward. ifa or the european union going forward. if a talking shop? is it a way of being seen to be doing something without any real substance? being seen to be doing something without any real substance ?” being seen to be doing something without any real substance? i think it is one criticism of it but what he hopes to achieve with these democratic conventions is to focus minds in europe but more soundly and
given mrjuncker‘s white paper earlier this year when he suggested there were different methods the eu can pursue coming forward for reform, one of which was do less but more effectively, i think macron's convention tends to stick to that, to ask the people what they want them to focus on. what about the new generation of leaders. he's new, but who else? have the irish president who else? have the irish president who is now the youngest in the eu, andi who is now the youngest in the eu, and i think we have, what he is speaking about more generally rather than just humouring his speaking about more generally rather thanjust humouring his neighbours is the idea of rejuvenating the eu project which has the mandate he thinks he has. do you think macron will be successful in trying to reshape europe, liberating the member states once the uk leaves? i'm not quite sure what liberating the member states looks like but in terms of his attitude, it was interesting watching the french campaign because he ran an unashamedly pro— european campaign.
of course it's not perfect, westminster is not perfect, but a whole lot of institutions that are not perfect, but he ran up against a sort of anti— european campaign from marine le pen 8181 much better than people thought he might do. so from that basis of looking than how he can re—establish a kind of enthusiasm from europe, i think is his starting point and i think it is probably a good idea. how does he do that though? because as clare was saying there was anti— european sentiment within front as well, yes emmanuel macron did win overwhelmingly, but if you look at what it can actually do, is he going to bring and should he bring all the eurozone to bring and should he bring all the eu rozone states even to bring and should he bring all the eurozone states even closer together? isn't that what he is planning, more integration? and will it work? i admire his ambitions to what he is doing is going from a platform of having fought the french elections were the galvanising force
was the fact that he had a far right extremist as a candidate against him, and even then the turnout was not infused enough to be able to say the french people felt enthused to come and back macron on this. for him than the say that he can take this on across europe wide scale, i believe it is really ambitious on his part. it doesn't sound like sajjad thinks it could work. is further integration for european countries within the eu the answer? if you take on board some of the euroscepticism that does exist in france, it is still divided like many other countries, but will it work? a lot of what is being talked about will take a long time to deliver, quite possibly, after we have left the european union. so the big certain extent it is up to them. make the choice for eu 27, they will decide how the eu 27 work best together. we are going to do
watching from the outside. right. and looking at what macron is trying to do, if we take the idea he is trying to bring the eurozone countries together as they are looking at ideas that will actually promote bad, is going to be harder for the uk to negotiate its deal?” think first of all we have to discuss the feasibility of the project and he accepts that this is not something that will happen in the short or the near term. what is the short or the near term. what is the sort of timing he's pushing on? he suggests he understands the idea of the eurozone budget, eurozone minister, duress and parliament will require a lot of backing from 6ermany require a lot of backing from germany and obviously the smaller states as well. reticence on the 6erman side is the idea that france needs to get its own economy in shape before 6ermany needs to get its own economy in shape before germany is willing to back it. the macron has said he will ta ke back it. the macron has said he will take a labour market reform or other economic reforms domestically first and foremost before you went to 6ermany and foremost before you went to germany with these ideas, and put them in force. so whether or not this will form part of the negotiations i in the first thing to
consider is what timeline is macron and the eurozone imagine for these reforms? and the direction of travel if it goes down that route and i ta ke if it goes down that route and i take your point he has a big enough job trying to reform france in terms of labour reforms, it will that be a good thing or a bad thing to you think for the uk as its negotiating its exit? it's difficult to know because of course this is notjust a concern for the uk, it is a concern for all of it has been present for many of the smaller member states in the eu as well, the idea that the eu's final destination will be the eurozone. and what matters then is if you're a small estate on the edge without membership of the euro, do you still form part of the eu? does this is the direction that the eu looks like he is going to go down, the uk will not be alone in watching from the outside, thinks all member states will also be look and asking what will eu membership men in the future, will have to join the euro? it's only a surprise the close integration is in some ways what macron wants, as you say, unashamedly pro—eu, pro— european,
do you think will make it difficult for the do you think will make it difficult forthe uk, do you think will make it difficult for the uk, these negotiations? while europe is trying to figure out where it is going itself, that will affect the negotiations with us. one of the criticisms we are currently getting is we don't know whether we can negotiate, how stable is the british government? it applies the other way as well with the vision for europe. they don't know where they are going. and with emmanuel macron, he is a man who has fought one election in his lifetime, and thatis one election in his lifetime, and that is to be president of france. he is yet to face the hard realities of medical dynamics in france, let alone european ones. what about the smaller members of the eu? will there be a complete two—tier eurozone emerging? there is
resista nce eurozone emerging? there is resistance against that, as is noted in the five—point plan. i know that isn't a direction a number of eu states wa nt isn't a direction a number of eu states want to take. the eu is a bit like a tanker as we know. it does not turn around quickly. we are having a quick and negotiation in terms of the exit. i hope the exit ta kes terms of the exit. i hope the exit takes longer if we are going to do it well. they are separate conversations. i don't think they will have a significant impact. you are talking about conventions over a couple of years or whatever, that will not feed into a political process impacting on the negotiations. the commitment to the eu battle group, how do you feel about that? we are waiting for announcement from the uk on that. we
said we would provide the headquarters for that in the immediate future. but what is important is certainly from a bilateral defence point of view, we have commitments, including from emmanuel macron in france that that should deepen. whether we progress with that to a european level remains to be seen. what do you think? the butter groups have been in existence for ten years but have never been used once. —— battle. everything has had to have been done ona everything has had to have been done on a natural level. will it last in terms of our commitment to it? security and defence is one of those areas where there is a strong interest in every regard that we work together. nato and the eu are working together more closely than they ever have done, in fact, and we need to be part of that. my concern
is we are taking ourselves out of the leading role in it, we will be participants if we manage to get a deal that includes security and defence at all, and the disadvantage is we will become very much a second—class participant. is we will become very much a second-class participant. very briefly, are you being embraced by your colleagues in the parliament or marginalised these days? personally, everyone gets on steel. they have played a productive path. —— still. and people don'tjust say yes played a productive path. —— still. and people don't just say yes when you speak to them... and people don't just say yes when you speak to them. .. you are implying they said yes immediately? we had a huge role that we played in the parliament. thank you. we have heard a lot about the financial obligations the uk may have when it leaves the eu, but once they lose one of the biggest net contributors, how may be remaining 27 countries
balance the books? big news, the opening of a 360 degrees recreation of the hammer cycle. they were receiving a briefing on the future size and shape of the eu's finances for a seven year period from 2020, finances that will have a brexit shaped hole in them between ten and 12 billion euros every year. the budget commissioner explains the eu is also taking on new tasks like fighting terrorism almost so it needed more cash, what is called a multi annual financial framework, the maff. it could mean changes to how the budget operates. for example, could reach companies like 6ermany be asked to pay more? ——
richer. could countries like bulgaria have to take out less? we need more from this country and different countries and we have to stop with all of the special conditions. not only britain, it was also germany and also i think the netherlands. there is no reason to get special treatment. the commission has mooted a european pollution tax on cars to raise money as well as visitors coming to the eu. it has been seen as a power grab by some. i think the budget should remain strongly linked with nationstates and member states as cornerstones of the eu. i am not in favour of any new revenues, any european taxes on any sources for
the budget. but when the all of us have to be decided, and what role for the 751meps? have to be decided, and what role for the 751 meps? the have to be decided, and what role for the 751meps? the 600 have to be decided, and what role for the 751 meps? the 600 that will be left after the brits are gone. parliament has a say. of course, we don't decide how things will be, the member states decide it. but if we don't like it, on the other hand... they have to listen to us in a certain degree. a narrow window, september, 2018, before the election, 2019, we have to have a ready package by that time to be able to tell the european citizens what we are going to do with the budget. finally, a quick trip to the new photo booth. 0ne budget. finally, a quick trip to the new photo booth. one thing will disappearfrom new photo booth. one thing will disappear from the financial picture altogether, thanks to brexit, there will be no more uk rebate, so the budget will look much simpler, and that gets the thumbs up around here.
a nice and cheesy smile. allan fleming. any ideas how the eu should plug the gap of some 10 billion euros a year? the negotiations go on, the mff, that is being talked about, a catchy title, it goes on for seven years. we are in the middle of a current seven—year process. negotiations are beginning now, part of the talk recently. they have a headache and that could be to the advantage of the uk, as they will lose our money. that is where the divorce bill comes in. it is also about what comes after brexit and what we choose, how we will contribute? we could contribute beyond brexit. it will be a complicated sum. do you accept that? it could well be a situation like
that, and would you support it if the uk contributes to funds we want to be part of during a transitional phase? they will have to accept one thing, there will be some form of continued payments after the uk leads the eu. a figure of... i cannot put any figure on it. negotiations are so wide at the moment. 0ne negotiations are so wide at the moment. one thing is clear, the uk will have to do that, and the eu will have to do that, and the eu will have to learn to live with far less money than it had. that has been something it is bad at. it will have to find new ways of raising money. you said the british people would have to accept continued payments, what for? it depends. some payments, what for? it depends. some payments would be for ongoing programmes we take part in. like what? many educational programmes. research development and so on? yes.
there will be substantial sums that will need to be paid for access to the single market. how much would you be prepared to pay? that is part of the negotiations, as i said. i cannot put a figure on it. i do know it is the largest export market, and without it, our economy is going to suffer greatly. that sounds like we won't be leaving in march, 2019, in a complete and comprehensive way, if we are still paying fines forjoint eu- uk we are still paying fines forjoint eu— uk initiatives. we are still paying fines forjoint eu- uk initiatives. there are many factors. we will simply, as things stand, not be ready to leave the single market in 2019. we onlyjust started the negotiations on one element of the divorce, we are one year after the referendum and three months from article 50. it would be astonishing if any government could achieve that complicated deal. so,
yes, we will continue paying. we agreed to a multi annual financial framework going through to 2020, with the bills coming after that, and then there is the element of needing to stay within the single market. that may disappoint people in the conservative party, not least, and other people as well, if the uk is not out by march, 2019, completely. revenue streams. in that film, one of the contributors said i don't want new taxes, new revenue streams, will that be unpopular with the parliament? i think there is real resistance to that sort of move where the european union can directly start to impose taxation. however, this is also a part of the ongoing debate in europe today, what is the future of europe going to be? this, actually, today, has once again become an active question. don't forget the financial tax back on the table. as you said, we have a
long and hot summer ahead of us. thank you for being our guests today. that is it for now with regards to european politics. bye bye. hello there. after a warm, muggy night, sunday should bring us some more warm weather, with some sunshine. not dry everywhere, though, some rain in the forecast too. during saturday, there were scenes a bit like this. a lot of sunshine around, this is ceredigion, in wales. and now, and as we move through the day on sunday, similar day for many of us, blue sky and sunshine, but there will be some rain around across northern parts of the country. we have got quite a slow—moving front, and that is bringing outbreaks of rain across parts of scotland and northern ireland through the day on sunday. whereas further south, across england and wales, higher pressure is holding onto the warm weather. not a lot of isobars on the map, so just a very light breeze around. a pleasant enough day across most
parts of the country. as we move through the day, we've got that front bringing cloud and patchy outbreaks of rain for northern ireland, intermittently to southern and western scotland. northern scotland, though, should brighten up, and england and wales should have quite a lot of dry weather, too. so this is a:00pm in the afternoon. some sunshine for stornoway and inverness. cloudier for aberdeen, with some rain across northern parts of northern ireland, sinking its way south into parts of dumfries and galloway, for example, too. as we move into england and wales, mostly sustained dry, with some good spells of sunshine, but there is just the odd chance of catching one or two of these light, passing showers, particularly across the east of wales, the midlands, down towards the south—west of england. fewer showers, i think, reaching eastern parts of england. it is likely to stay dry at lord's for the fourth day of the test match. england continue to play south africa. 26 degrees or so, perhaps a bit more cloud around than we have seen over recent days. moving into sunday evening, still that rain in northern ireland, central and southern scotland, pepping up for a time, in fact, and then drifting its way eastwards overnight. fairly cloudy skies further south, with a few showers around.
could get the odd thunderstorm across the far south—east, as well. but still muggy, 17 degrees or so in the south, although slightly fresher conditions moving into scotland and northern ireland. after that fairly cloudy start for some of us, i think it should brighten up on monday, and then we're set to see a day of sunny spells and scattered showers bubbling up through central and eastern areas, in particular, through the course of the afternoon. the odd heavy one, but certainly not a washout. some good spells of sunshine in between any showers. highs between about 16 to 25 degrees or so. into tuesday, further showers across northern parts of the country, and more persistent rain moving its way east, across southern parts of england, south wales, as well. we could do with a little bit of rainfall across this part of the world. and it will be a little bit cooler, with temperatures around about 16 to 21 celsius. hello, this is breakfast,
with rogerjohnson and sian lloyd. more 13,000 mobile phones and 200 kilograms of drugs have been seized from prisons across england and wales in the last year. ministers say the situation is "unacceptable" — and they're recruiting more officers to crack down on illegal activity in jails. good morning, it's sunday the ninth ofjuly. also ahead: