tv Life in the Shadow of the Wall BBC News August 20, 2017 10:30am-11:01am BST
we here in liverpool. fantastic. we look forward to it. the enthusiasm of your guest is contagious. thank you so much. we need some practical reve nu es you so much. we need some practical revenues for them now. what will the weather be like? after a lovely start for many, most will stay dry this afternoon with some sunny spells as well. cloud increasing in south—east england and wales. staying cloudy and get grey and grey during the afternoon. the rain becomes more extensive. heavy burst around cardigan bay and edging to the south of northern ireland. elsewhere, mostly staying dry with isolated showers and it will feel warmer than yesterday. heavy rain tonight, wales, southern parts of england and increasingly back into northern ireland, but to the south, humid and misty, northern england, scotland, another cool night with temperatures into single figures but here, dry and bright. some sunny spells but wetter weather in northern ireland spreading the south—west scotland, northern england later, early rain and drizzle across southern areas starts
to fizzle out. sunshine coming through and will start to feel humid. temperatures getting into the mid—205, a bit fresher further humid. temperatures getting into the mid—205, a bit fresherfurther north and the rain continues to move north on monday night. bye—bye for now. hello. this is bbc news. the headlines: spain's king and queen have attended a special mass in barcelona to honour those killed in the catalonia attacks. and the manhunt continues for the suspect who police believe drove the van on las ramblas, who escaped the scene on foot. a british paramedic who was stabbed four times in the finland terror attack insists he's no hero. hassan zubier was attacked while trying to save a women's life. hassan zubier was attacked while trying to save a woman's life. iraqi forces have begun an offensive to retake tal afar, the last major city in the country to be held by so—called islamic state. now on bbc news, life in the shadow of the wall.
president trump's campaign pledge was the construction of a wall along the us—mexico border. but how would a wall stop drugs and people illegally entering the us? crowd: build that wall! build that wall! yeah, 0k, 0k. we'll build the wall. we need to build a wall. a big, beautiful wall. build a wall. it was one of his main campaign pledges — to build a wall all along the us—mexico border. a third of it already has some sort of barrier, but what are the challenges of trying to seal it off completely? i have completed the first part of this trip, and so far i have travelled along a border where the river is the natural barrier. but from now on, i am going to be visiting places where fences have been in place for years. so we are going to be seeing much more of this. after el paso, ciudad juarez and nogales, iwill finish in the quintessential border town
of tijuana, a place where some are struggling to start new lives. back home, you just can't go anywhere here, you start selling drugs just to get by or make money or hustle or whatever. but i am starting my trip in a place where it is not always easy to spot the divide — the twin towns of el paso and ciudad juarez. every morning, luiz drives from the mexican side of the border into the us. for many here, it is a way of life. we cannot show his face because his american company doesn't allow him to speak. i leave at 2.30 in the morning, it takes an hour to cross the border. i don't like to be waiting in the line. this is the kind ofjourney that many people make every day
to go and work in el paso. myjob is construction. i work for a company that does concrete and right now, we're at the border. if you have somebody to drive a bus, he is doing a job, you know. myjob isjust to make the wall this time. what have your relatives or friends told you about building this fence? theyjoke with me, they tell me to leave a little open for them to cross. this is the construction site where he is currently working. the first barriers went up in 1994 at the western end of the border. successive governments led by clinton, bush
and obama extended them all along the frontier. the fence here was erected ten years ago, and luiz is repairing a two—kilometre stretch of it. he believes the american president is fooling himself if he thinks the frontier can be completely sealed off. standing so close to it, it's obviously a very imposing structure. there used to be a smaller fence here, but it's now been replaced with these five—metre high metal
posts and the closer you get to the fence, the more you wonder how the wall president trump wants to build will serve its purposes and how will it affect the lives and businesses of people in border towns? since the fence was built, ciudad juarez became one of the most violent places in the world. in contrast, el paso is now among the safest cities in the us. they would just cross right here... this is mannys rodriguez. the barrier runs through her backyard. days ago, she saw migrants jumping it with a ladder. we were fixing our truck back here and we heard the voices and we looked outside but we couldn't see no one and we said, where are the voices coming from? when we saw up, they had a ladder, they built a big, like that swimming pool ladder and theyjust, you know, hooked it up to the fence and they crossed over, then the other one pulled it to the other side.
they crossed down. then they just jumped. isaid, oh, theyjust, you know, they said bye! on the whole, though, she says things have improved. we have less people crossing. we have less cargo, as we say, crossing over. now, you know, we feel safe. a granddaughter of mexicans, rodriguez supports president trump's plans. as security, yes. as security, yes, i do. i believe that he is trying to protect the us. the way i see it, i would go tojuarez, but i won't trust my daughter to go. right, so that's how i feel. and i am not saying that i am against mexicans orjuarez or anything, i just wouldn't trust my daughter to go by herself. all along the border there are reminders, like this jacket, that for some the impulse to cross this fence or a future wall may be too strong to stop. i am leaving el paso
and driving 500 kilometres west to the twin towns of nogales. the first fence went up here in the ‘90s, splitting the town in half. the cartels who control the drug trade and the people smuggling responded by going underground and they have turned this area into the tunnel capital of the border. i'm joining a patrol of the border tunnels connecting mexico and the united states. we don't know who we might run into, so the police go ahead of us. we don't know what to expect. caution is needed. what just happened ? smugglers and migrants use the cover of darkness and wait for the right moment to head towards the us end of the tunnel.
so the policeman just told me that after they turned on the flashlight, they saw someone and this person ran away. minutes later, we catch a glimpse of him in the distance. he is not moving. and sergio is pointing at this person with a flashlight. he believes it's better to back up and alert the police, so we are heading towards the entrance of the tunnel. the traffickers use not only the subterranean infrastructure,
the authorities have found more than 110 tunnels built by mexican cartels. they call them narco tunnels. in this cemetery, one of them hides in plain sight. this is the entrance of a tunnel which was recently filled in. they used to carry drugs to the other side of the border and as you can see, the fence is just about 100 metres from here. on the american side, tony estrada has been a sheriff for 25 years. he isn't sure the wall president trump wants to build will be effective. they're very creative. if you do anything, they'll go under it. they'll go over it and they'll go around it. so it's a phenomenon that's not going to stop. no wall, no matter how beautiful and big and expensive, is going to stop people that are desperate, people that are needy, and people that are poor.
arrests of undocumented immigrants in the us have increased by nearly 40% since president trump's crackdown. but estrada believes this is missing the point. illegal immigration, as far as i am concerned, pales compared to a drug problem. when you are spending resources on illegal immigration and you are talking about identifying people leaving the community that have families and are contributing, it's useless. it's not putting resources to the best. go after them, let's get the criminal agents, but don't bother anybody else. this shelter in nogales opened decades ago. since then, it has received hundreds of thousands of migrants. we find hope and faith, but also sadness and pain. for the last 13 years, this woman has worked in tomato fields. she was picked up trying to get back into the us after visiting family in mexico.
fewer clients, but more money. nogales may be another example of the mixed and complex nature of border towns, and of the unintended consequences of building barriers. a wall will stop some people, but others will find a different way around. my final destination on this road trip is tijuana. no other place on the us—mexico frontier has a more intimate relationship with the wall
than this city. here, the us government started building the border‘s first barrier almost three decades ago. it has shaped the lives, identities and faiths of millions. alonso is a graffiti artist who has lived here for 25 years. the wall, for him, became a canvas, an opportunity to express his feelings towards life in a place divided. his art is born of the desire to show how the barriers affect people,
and his own family too. painting on these bricks is a cathartic experience, but he wishes it wasn't there at all. the most frequently crossed border in the world unites two countries and there is no indifference to the divisions that engenders. the barriers became a symbol and not a solution to complex problems. i'm an american...
he is a hip hop artist living in the us, but has family on both sides of the border. as artists, we have to reflect our reality. having to cross the border so many times growing up, it definitely resonated with my understanding of restrictions and placing borders on people. so in the same — and i took that to my music, i attached that to my music. it's like, if i don't agree there is a border that needs to be crossed in order for people to live in a particular place, i made the effort not to put borders and restrictions on my music. there are an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the us. olmeca has relatives among them, and trump's rhetoric against these people has left him dreading the prospect of his family breaking up. i had a family member that had to go into a government building, and from the moment we got the scheduled date to the actual date, there's a lot of tension, there's a lot of arguments at home. because why, because of the fear.
there is a very real fear that anything could happen to our families at any given moment. olmeca sees it as an artistic beauty to continue highlighting what he sees as controversial issues. there's very abnormal behaviour and relationships between government agencies, federal agencies and local enforcement, that's something that's abnormal, it's not normal. i feel that's all we can do, is challenge. i feel music needs to be an act of expression that is thought—provoking and i don't agree that you can make music without reflecting your reality. if deported, his relative may end up here in tijuana. the city receives more deportees
than any other along the border. for the deported, it's a painful contradiction. they feel like foreigners in the country they were born in. that's my mother... chris's tattoos tell a story of a rough life. as a youngster, he got involved in gangs, guns and drugs, spending his teenage years in jail in the us, but he was deported to mexico because he was born there. he was dropped into a place he barely knew, having to speak a language he had already forgotten. i think about what i want to say in english, and i have to translate it in my mind to be able to say it. some words, i can't even pronounce in spanish. that's really the reason why call centres have worked out for me. this is a call centre in tijuana in northern mexico. many of the people working here have been deported from the us. hello, this is chris,
the purpose for my call is to inform you that your manufacturer warranty has expired on your 2012 chevy... it might be surprising to people in the states to know they're talking to tattooed ex—gang members, and surely rival gangs in the same workplace is a recipe for disaster. you have maybe some southerners, those are — they represent, like, the number 13, usually they're from the south. and then you have a group of people like us and some of my friends who are northerners and who are with the number iii. in the states, we can't stand seeing each other and we can't, for the most part, there's not even talking, nothing like that, we see open other and it's just bad business and we just go at it. no questions asked.
here, you know, we keep it respectful and make it work. for the sake of workplace and trying to live a peaceful life. this gentleman right here in the row where i'm sitting, he has a tattoo on his arm and face... chris is a supervisor here and doesn't even think of going back to his old life. but the new one hasn't been easy. sometimes people don't give you that opportunity, they see you and they're like, "doesn't know any better". stupid little gangster doesn't want to be here, stupid druggy or addict, deportee, however they want to label you, they look down on you. tijuana may be a few miles from the states, but it's a different world. back home, you just can't go anywhere here, you start selling drugs to get by or make money or hustle or whatever. it doesn't work like that. you need permission here from somebody and who that is, god knows, but, you know, if you don't have the permission, you can pretty much count on you being found dead somewhere. i've travelled across
town to an evangelical church housing haitian migrants. it's a place to worship, but it's also a shelter and a place of limbo. thousands of them are stranded. they fled their country after the 2010 earthquake but are unable to enter the us, due to an obama policy aimed at dissuading more haitians from arriving. christopher and his countrymen are the latest example of the stories that for decades have been part of this town. tijuana is a place of aspirations, broken dreams, of new beginnings.
it's a city where people have learned to navigate being so close to the us, and yet so far. so that's it. the end of my road trip. it has been a fascinating journey along a part of the world that belongs to mexico and the us and in a way to neither. this is a land of paradox, a land of extremes. it can be cruel, violent and imposing and at the same time beautiful, gentle, and gracious. it is a place where people have learned to live in a strange intimacy with a wall and probably many more will have to do the same.
on this trip, i have seen the challenges of building more barriers, talked to people happy with a wall in the backyard and to those that believe that more fences won't stop migrants, nor drugs. this border is, after all, home to millions of people that, no matter what you think of the wall, now face a dramatic, momentous and divisive time. a few weather changes on the way over the next 36 hours, due to the fragments of what was hurricane gert coming our way. nothing to get concerned about. this was hurricane
gert a few days ago off the east coast of the united states. it has long since stopped being a hurricane, and noted how the cloud has been mashed in with other weather systems pushing across the atlantic. they will drag in humid aircompared to atlantic. they will drag in humid air compared to what we have seen in the past few days. we had a cool start this morning. we have seen cloud increase, again linked to the fragments of hurricane gert towards the south—west of england and wales. occasional rain becomes more extensive through the afternoon in devon and cornwall, the channel islands and wales. for the south—east of england and the midlands, it will cloud over but most midlands, it will cloud over but m ost pla ces midlands, it will cloud over but most places stay dry till the evening. most places will stay dry. isolated, light showers in scotland. with light winds, it will feel much warmer. there will be a dividing
line between the humid air to the south—west, where temperatures will not drop below the mid—teens, and something much fresher further north. most places will stay dry through the bulk of the day. a weather front will bring rain and drizzle. the cloud will break up at times, but overall, a cloudy day. where you get breaks in the cloud in the south, it will feel especially humid. northern ireland rogue sunshine through the day. you may get a sunshine through the day. you may geta dry sunshine through the day. you may get a dry day in the far north on tuesday. lots of cloud to begin with. breaks in that could send temperatures widely into the 20s, maybe 25 to 27 in the south—east corner. low maybe 25 to 27 in the south—east corner. low pressure
maybe 25 to 27 in the south—east corner. low pressure to the north—west brings a weather front and heavy rain overnight in northern ireland and through scotland and northern england. we may see the mid—20s on wednesday for one or two. this is bbc news. the headlines at 11am. spain's king and queen attend a special mass in barcelona to honour those killed in the catalonia attacks. and the man hunt continues for the suspect who police believe drove the van on las ramblas, who escaped the scene on foot. a british paramedic who was stabbed four times in the finland terror attack insists he's no hero. hassan zubier was attacked while trying to save a women's life. i'm just a i'mjusta human i'm just a human being who cares for