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this is outside source. the world is trying to agree how to respond to north korea using this hydrogen bomb. there has been condemnation from all sides, but compare and contrast these two statements. when a rogue regime has a nuclear weapons and an icbm pointed at you, you do not take steps to lower your guard. the peninsular issue must be resolved peacefully. china will never allow chaos and war on the peninsular. my amartey is also receiving international criticism for its treatment of muslims. just four days ago there was nothing here and now look at it. it is a vast settlement, a temporary home for refugees who have come over from myanmar and have nowhere to go. plus bbc arabic on the islamic state group under pressure in syria and the beer that —— bbc investigation into is recruitment in the uk.
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i want to begin with the american statement at an emergency session of the un security council earlier. to the un security council earlier. to the members of the security council, i must say, enough is enough. we have taken an incremental approach and despite the best of intentions, it has not worked. members of this council will no doubt urge negotiations and a return to talks. but as i havejust negotiations and a return to talks. but as i have just outlined, negotiations and a return to talks. but as i havejust outlined, we have engaged in numerous direct and multilateral talks with the north korean regime, and time after time, they have not worked. the time for half measures in the security council is over. the time has come to exhaust all of our diplomatic means before it is too late. we must now adopt the strongest possible
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measures. kim jong—un‘s action cannot be seen as defensive. he wa nts to cannot be seen as defensive. he wants to be acknowledged as a nuclear power. but being a nuclear power is not about using those terrible weapons to threaten others. nuclear powers understand their responsibilities. kim jong—un shows no such understanding. his abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show that he is begging for war. all of those on the security council know that agreeing to condemn is easy but agreeing on what to do next is not. america and others want more sanctions. china and russia don't. they are suggesting an exchange. north korea stops the nuclear programme, the us and south korea stopped their military drills. but nikki haley was not going to that today. she said when a rogue regime with a nuclear weapons which as intercontinental
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ballistic missiles is pointed at you, you do not take steps to lower your guard. this is the american position. this is what the chinese said in the same meeting. the situation on the peninsular is deteriorating constantly, as we speak, falling into a vicious circle. the peninsular issue must be resolved peacefully. china will never allow chaos and war on the peninsula. the parties concerned must strengthen their sense of c , must strengthen their sense of urgency, take due responsibilities, play theirjewel urgency, take due responsibilities, play their jewel rolls, urgency, take due responsibilities, play theirjewel rolls, take practical measures, make joint efforts together to ease the situation, restart the dialogue and talks, and prevent further deterioration of the situation on the peninsula. so china is being explicit, saying it will not allow war on the peninsula, do we go back 24 war on the peninsula, do we go back 2a hours president trump was saying he will be meeting his generals and
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other leaders to discuss north korea. thank you, says the president. that is the chinese on the americans. this is part of the south korean response. they have been carrying out missile tests and live fire drills as well as reinforcing the new missile defence system. south korea says it also believes that the north is preparing for more missile tests and that that matches what the north is saying. one other update to show you, some copy coming into the newsroom in the last few minutes with donald trump providing conceptual approval for south korea to purchase many billions of dollars worth from the us. more copy here, they both agreed, the two presidents, to maximise pressure on north korea using all means at their disposal. earlier i spoke to richard lister in washington to get more on america's position and their options as it faces this crisis. i think the
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united states except now that there are no good military options that it has at its disposal when it comes to north korea. after all, successive american governments have been looking at the issue. president clinton came quite close in 1994 to assessing whether or not to launch a military attack against north korea and decided ultimately it was not worth the cost and that has been the assessment made by every president who has come along since, that if you do strike north korea, it will inevitably strike the capital of south korea, which is close to the border of north korea and tens of thousands of people will almost certainly be killed and many more injured. the assessment is, for the moment, at least, there are no good military options facing the united states, but the calculation is also this. there is increasing concern about this and that the moment, if the us struck north korea, yes, you would still have that level of casualties in south korea but if you
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waited a couple of years and gave north korea time to perfect and refine. then it could be that the counter attack involves city in the us. so then what do you do? let's also took about sanctions. the americans pushing for more. can you explain to viewers who might be confused that we have already had yea rs of confused that we have already had years of condemnation and sanctions. why are the americans convinced that more than this can make a difference? it's certainly true that north korea relies on getting hard foreign currency to fund the missile and nuclear development programmes we have seen so much of over recent months. and it is clear that it needs a level of foreign funding to do that by selling products abroad. the seventh and the most recent round of sanctions were aimed at stopping the exports of coal and
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iron, for example, but not all of the north korean exports were affected and targeted. it also exports a lot of textiles, mostly to china but also other countries and gets a lot of money from that. and it has foreign workers, north korean workers in russia and china and they are also able to earn a lot of foreign current —— currency. are also able to earn a lot of foreign current -- currency. here is vincent from bbc chinese. first of all, the chinese approach has always been very consistent. it wants a diplomatic solution rather than a military one. in this case china might call for the resumption of the long collapsed six party talks. china wants to bring everybody to the table to talk about solving the north korean issues, but the americans are not keen. nicky hayley has objected to this approach with the un security council meeting today. but i suppose china would insist on this because eventually china does not want to see a war on
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the korean peninsula and on its doorstep. the chinese could do more economically. they could stop oil being imported from china into north korea. they could not buy products from north korea. why are they not doing it? china can do more. 80 or 90% of trade from north korea is with the chinese but if you talk to chinese diplomats as well as the a nalysts, chinese diplomats as well as the analysts, they feel that north korea is such a regime that it can do what ever it takes to pursue the ideological goal, so even though china might be able to suspend the trade with north korea, it is still going to pursue its nuclear facility. it is no touristy difficult to gauge public opinion in china on any issue, but as far as we can go, do we know what the people of china would like the government to do? —— no torea sleep difficult.
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if you look at the response over the weekend to the test, the chinese public are very worried about the approach. we have seen that people are questioning whether the traditional approach and whether that approach has been successful, and the russian commentators will tell you that there are traumas following the nuclear test. , and some residents fear that any problem in north korea must spill to china. for more cry on the north korea crisis you can get it on the bbc news website —— for more background. let's talk about the increase of myanmar the criticism of and its treatment of the rohingya minorities. they are calling for an
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end to the government military campaign. on top of that, indonesia, which has the largest population of muslims in the world —— in the region, is calling for action. here is the president speaking earlier. myself and the people of indonesia, will we regret and condemn the violence that took place in myanmar. there needs to be real action and not just criticism. the there needs to be real action and notjust criticism. the story is made all more, located by fact that the de facto leader of myanmar is the de facto leader of myanmar is the nobel peace prize winner and former political prisoner, someone fated around the world but not so much now. she has made no public comment since this began. this is what the un thinks of this ——. on top of that we have had this
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statement. all of this is happening while people are fleeing myanmar at an extraordinary rate. it is estimated that 87,000 people have left their homes in the last ten days, most of them having gone to neighbouring bangladesh. this is where we're at the meeting some of them. she is two days old, born inside a refugee camp. her parents are rohingyas — ethnic muslims from myanmar, denied citizenship and now fleeing persecution. the baby's mother says they left after their village was attacked, alleged by the myanmar army. translation: we fled
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and crossed the river by boat and then came here. we were very scared about what the military would do to us. after coming here, we heard that our house has been burnt down. do you think you'll ever be able to take your baby back home, back to myanmar? translation: everyone has left. there's no—one there. we cannot go back. their home is now a vast refugee camp, along with tens of rohingyas now living in these squalid conditions. many of them eating their first proper meal in days. just four days ago, there was nothing here. it was just a side a hill with a clump of trees on it. but now look at it. it's a vast settlement, a temporary home for all the rohingya refugees who've come over from myanmar and have nowhere to go. even this place is going to reach its limit in a few days. bangladesh is now struggling to cope with the growing numbers of rohingyas streaming in every day. especially as many more are waiting at the border. the mask —— the vast majority of
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rohingya muslims live here, and these are the latest pictures we have from there, and the army and the confidence are blaming each other. both are saying they are acting to pretend —— protect civilians, which leaves us with the challenge of trying to decide who to believe. i have turned for help to the south asia editor of the bbc newsroom. it's really hard to verify, not least because international journalists are basically not able to get into that state at the moment and even some of the aid agency workers who have been based in the area are being blocked from entering, so it's very difficult. we know from some satellite imagery that the burn—outs are taking place and they seem to be targeting villages and houses. it is monsoon season so it's not a time you would expect natural fires to occur. and we are getting the
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testimony from people who are fleeing into bangladeshi were talking about attacks on their home and villages, mostly by the bernie ‘s military but also by what they call buddhist militant gangs, local people who seem to be attacking them. we turn to germany, just three weeks away from the election. angela merkel and martin schultz went live on tv to thrash out the main —— issues and we will hear how it went. in northern ireland, the secretary of state has said the government will be forced to legislate for a budget if a storm on executive cannot be re—established. james brokenshire was talking after meetings with the five main parties to try and resolve an eight—month impasse. i cannot
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ignore the impact that the current impasse is having on the local economy and the delivery of key public services. the window of opportunity to restore devolution and to form an executive is closing rapidly as we move further into the autumn. and with pressures in public services already evident, most particularly in the health service, the need for intervention is becoming increasingly clear. this is outside source and the world is trying to decide how to react to the latest north korean nuclear test, but china and the us have very different ideas on how to handle the situation. so, in underthree
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different ideas on how to handle the situation. so, in under three weeks, it will be the german election. last night voters in their millions sat down to watch this, angela merkel taking on her main rival, martin schultz in a live tv with debate. immigration was the central issue and there was also agreement that turkey should notjoin the european union. here is the thought is on how it went. in general, the economy keeps growing, so it's in a positive situation, and she is happy with her own economic situation that makes it difficult that anyone to really challenge angela merkel, especially when coming from a rather similar political direction. so the general consensus was political direction. so the general consensus was that angela merkel won the debate. you did not expect martin schultz to agree with that.|j think martin schultz to agree with that.” think the tv debate has shown that there are two candidates running in this election who are capable of leading the country. angela merkel has done this for 12 years already andl has done this for 12 years already and i think i have shown to the
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general public and germany that i have a better plan for the future of the country, for a europeanjourney thatis the country, for a europeanjourney that is strong within europe. let's talk to our chief european correspondent for politico. thank you for your time, matthew. added to see the debate last night? —— how did you see? it was a bit boring and disappointing for many of us who we re disappointing for many of us who were hoping to see a real exchange between the candidates. it is the only debate that they will be having in the campaign season and really the only opportunity that martin schultz had to make up a lot of the ground he had lost to angela merkel over the last few months. he is about 15 points behind now so this really was his 1—shot to convince german voters that he is the man who should be running the country and, by all accounts, he failed in that task. i mention in my introduction that immigration came up again and
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again during the debate. had you explain to viewers around the world that immigration has not become more ofa that immigration has not become more of a problem for angela merkel after the decision she took in 2015? the reason that is simple. over the past year and reason that is simple. over the past yearand a reason that is simple. over the past year and a half, reason that is simple. over the past yearand a half, her reason that is simple. over the past year and a half, her government has really brought that problem under control together with some of other european countries. they really stemmed the flow of new migrants into germany and they managed to deal with many of those who are here, so you have about1 million people who came in in 2015 and by most estimation, they are doing ok. you don't have people living in gymnasiums and the kind of things that were very unnerving to a lot of germans at the time. yes, you have problems with terrorist attacks, but the refugees don't tend to get blamed. most germans are now looking at other issues, more future orientated issues in terms of
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income, housing, internalsecurity isa income, housing, internalsecurity is a big topic, but also things like taxation, digitalisation and these things. all of which got short shrift in the debate last night. from what you are saying, it is less about whether angela merkel wins, but more about the size of the victory and the coalition she has to perform? i think at this stage it is about third place. there was another debate tonight between the smaller parties, several of them on german public television and it was a much livelier debate with actual differences and candidates clashing with one another and it sort of revived a lot of people's hopes about germany's political culture because you had actual debate taking place which we did not see last night. so this third place question will be absolutely central when it comes will be absolutely central when it comes to the coalition building that will happen after september the
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24th. matthew, thank you very much. on wednesday i will travel to germany and we will be live on thursday to covering the election campaign in germany. this is not a planned double plug for politico, but thank you to matthew, and this is in an article they are running about the brexit talks. uk seeks continuous talks to propel brexit resolution. it quotes a senior uk government officials saying they wa nt government officials saying they want a change to the current one week a month format that the warm is taking and they want more talks to resolve the major issues. another thing to talk about is that on tuesday the british parliament begins debating the eu withdrawal bill which, if it is passed, will tra nsfer releva nt bill which, if it is passed, will transfer relevant eu law on to the uk statute books. chris mason is here. good to see you. what you make of the politico story? visit ring true that there is frustration at the speed? —— does it ring true? yes, the british government is very
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keen to make progress. the european union said it wanted three things resolved in the negotiations before a discussion starts about the future relationship in trade. they want to resolve the issue of the irish border, what will be the frontier between the uk and the european union, the frontier border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. the whole issue of citizens rights, so people from elsewhere in the eu living in the uk and british people living elsewhere in the eu, and then crucially the whole issue of what is described as the divorce payment, in other words, of what is described as the divorce payment, in otherwords, money. of what is described as the divorce payment, in other words, money. the progress up to those now on those three things has been pretty slow, to the frustration of both sides. what the british government is saying in a briefing at westminster todayis saying in a briefing at westminster today is that they want to step up the frequency of the negotiations and instead of meeting one week in four, they want to step that up. last week, michel barnier also entertained the idea of meeting more
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frequently. so while that is not nailed down, i think it will be quickly agreed. i guess the debate in the commons later this week will be the latest test for the small majority that theresa may has in the commons. theresa may's parliamentary predicament is precarious and that is the reality she will have to live with. in all likelihood for as long as she is prime minister. there is this big slab of legislation that will dominate the work of the british parliament for months, the european union withdrawal bill that will unpick the membership of the european union and bring back power to westminster which will prove controversial and with her small majority it will make it all the harderfor her to majority it will make it all the harder for her to navigate majority it will make it all the harderfor her to navigate it majority it will make it all the harder for her to navigate it onto the statute book. chris, good to see you. we must switch from westminster to texas, because the cost of rebuilding of the hurricane harvey is climbing and the texas governor is climbing and the texas governor is now saying that the damage is
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worse than hurricane katrina in 2005. he is putting the potential bill at 180 billion dollars, and bearin bill at 180 billion dollars, and bear in mind that 43,000 people are being housed in shelters. let's bring in michelle, who is normally in new york, but she is in dickerson, texas. tell us about dickinson. where i am standing right now is half an hour south of houston. what happened here is that many of the streets found that, overnight, on saturday when the hurricane passed through, the water levels, the local by you —— bayview, started to rise on the water kept climbing, firsta started to rise on the water kept climbing, first a foot, then a second thought. people were in their homes not sure what to do. would they need to flee? people were worried. did everybody get out? as
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you can see now the sun is shining and the clean—up has begun. i don't know if you can see over my shoulder but a car is being towed away and many vehicles were lost. it wasn't just homes damaged as people are starting to clean up. the shift is moving from rescue to recovery. michelle, thank you very much for that update. a developing story here in the bbc newsroom, because the uk's public relations and communications association has expeued communications association has expelled the firm bell pottinger, aspera it was revealed that it was involved in the south african campaign that fuelled rachel tensions. here is the background to the story, which involves a family, a powerfulfamily. there is a hugely controversial set of south african
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brothers called the guptas. they hailfrom india and, over 25 years, they have amassed phenomenal power and influence in south africa. they have a conglomerate that spreads from mining to media. they have some problems with a reputation, because they are accused of rampant corruption, allegations they deny. they hired a british pr firm to look after their reputation. they did so through a firm called oakbay, which they own. it seems that bell pottinger have been up to some mischief, basically, where they have been using some very modern methods to try to improve the reputation of the guptas. they are allegations that bell pottinger tonight, about the use of fake twitter accounts, about spreading this very poisonous term about white monopoly capital, which is obviously toxic in a country that is riven by racial tensions. there is more background on the story. i'll be back with you for more of the main global stories in a couple of minutes. weather is making headlines across the world at the moment, and you can
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bet that when i say that, it's not going to be for the best of reasons. let me take you into the mid—atlantic let me take you into the mid—atla ntic where this let me take you into the mid—atlantic where this particular weather system has not even made headlines yet, but as it continues to strengthen with regards to the wind, so it will turn eventually into hurricane irma and we think it will go close to the top of the leeward islands in the caribbean, and from thereon is there is a greater degree of uncertainty about its track but what i'm about to show you is a code of uncertainty. the track, we suspect will lie in that. the storm is not getting bigger, it's just that over time you can well imagine that the variables increase, and then it could go further north or south, but i am certain the saint —— system is strengthening and the rainfall will be extraordinary and the wind strength will be damaging at over 200 kilometres per hour. going further west, in british columbia,
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the fire season has been the worst on record with 1 the fire season has been the worst on record with1 million hectares burnt out and some 50,000 people since mid—july have had to leave their home at some time or another. that is not the only area on the western side of the americas badly affected by fires. you might have seen the headlines from the weekends which suggested that the fire in the vicinity of la was the worst in the city's history. thankfully over the next couple of days the temperatures are set to fall and some of the winds are set to ease down, but it is relative. let me take you to south asia, and this story has been making the headlines because the floods have been the worst in deck dies —— decades, with 1.7 million homes destroyed in nepal, bangladesh and the northern states of india. the great clouds we expect to see in the monsoon are there to be had, but through tuesday some of the heaviest rain might be found across some of the southern states of india where there has been a drought in some areas and again in assam in
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north—east area —— india they have seen theirfair share. north—east area —— india they have seen their fair share. this north—east area —— india they have seen theirfair share. this is not the only game in town because we had a tropical depression moving towards the southern provinces of china and we have another potential area for development to the north of the philippines and as far ahead as wednesday and thursday we noticed that the islands of japan might get more than their fair share of rainfall as well. any good news to report on the weather front? there is. still some summer heat to be had across the southern areas of europe. further north, low—pressure providing wet and windy fair, but if you want some really wet and windy weather, come a bit closer to home andi weather, come a bit closer to home and i will leave louise to tell you the details of all of that. hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. the world is trying to agree how to respond to north korea using this hydrogen bomb. there's condemnation from all sides — but compare and contrast the american and chinese positions. when a rogue regime has a nuclear
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weapons and an icbm pointed at you, you do not take steps to lower your guard. translation: the peninsular issue must be resolved peacefully. china will never allow chaos and war on the peninsula. and the transgender model dropped by l'oreal for saying "all white people benefit from racism" has spoken to the bbc. idid i did write two bookends to the quote, talking about what people can do if they want to help,
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