Skip to main content

tv   HAR Dtalk  BBC News  September 20, 2017 2:30am-3:01am BST

2:30 am
search and rescue operations are under way in mexico after a powerful 7.1 magnitude earthquake killed at least 130 people. president enrique pena said 27 buildings had collapsed in the capital. some people are feared to be trapped inside. large numbers of volunteers have joined the emergency services as the desperate search for survivors gathers pace. hurricane maria has strengthened as it sweeps west across the caribbean with winds of more than 280 kilometres an hour. the virgin islands and puerto rico are facing a potentially catastrophic impact. president trump has said the international order is under threat from a small group of rogue nations. addressing the un general assembly, mr trump said he would totally destroy north korea if it threatened america. he also claimed iran was being run by a murderous regime. now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i'm zeinab badawi.
2:31 am
i am at the un's headquarters in new york, where world leaders are gathered for the annual general assembly. hungary is one country that finds itself out of step with global policy on migration and, according to critics, also at odds with eu values. the un high commission has criticised it over its refusal to accept a number of asylum seekers, which has put it at odds with eu governments. hungary's foreign minister peter szijjarto says he is angry with the court decision. is his country set on a collision course with the european union and its values? foreign minister peter szijjarto,
2:32 am
welcome to hardtalk you are representing a country which frankly a lot of governments have issues with over your values. that will make your meetings here rather difficult? i am sure not difficult but exciting. we have other occasions and opportunities to talk to our eu counterparts, we don't have to come out far. i don't have to count on, let's say, difficult negotiations, because the most difficulties as we move forward are among us difficulties as we move forward are among us and the european union, european institutions. sometimes with conversations with eu member states. is that the case? it is not just eu member state with whom you have an issue. you have an issue with global policy, un policy on
2:33 am
migration for example. you are at odds with the united nations commissionerfor odds with the united nations commissioner for refugees, when odds with the united nations commissionerfor refugees, when he visited hungry he said you have treated migrants like detainees. actually, i have met the high commissioner and explains our policy on migration. i have explained that i totally disagree with this position, that this happens in a bureaucracy, that we disagree with each other. we look at illegal migration as a very serious security threat on europe. we think it is a huge problem that the eu was not able to divulges this phenomenon from the beginning, because we are seeing the consequences. more than 1.5 million illegal migrants entered the eu, uncontrolled and unregulated, that is unacceptable. we see the consequence as the most
2:34 am
serious threat of terror and security in europe. when you said that to the high commissioner, in return, he told you that the united nations refugee agency recognises the right of every country to protect its borders, but he says refugee protection and security of a country can be accomplished at the same time. you posted as an either 01’, same time. you posted as an either or, it is not. we don't oppose it at that, we have a different approach. whether we should encourage these people to come to europe, all we have to bring help where it is needed. we are definitely representing the second approach. we should bring help where it is needed. we say that turkey, jordan, lebanon on and the kurdish region of iraq should be assisted financially by the eu and the international community than they are right now,
2:35 am
we should help those people who are in need. the people who have to escape from their homes, we should help them stay close to their homes as is possible. you are not practising what you preach. most of your development budget goes to hungarians in countries like serbia. that is just partly true. we have had millions of euros to the eu— turkey deal, and we have spent more than 15 million euros supporting the kurdish region of iraq and in lebanon on to be able to stay there, to fend for themselves and take part in the reconstruction of their areas. we are paying for building christian school, the renovation of churches in lebanon on. we are paying for medical expenses for
2:36 am
hospitals in the kurdish region. are ——a little bit, but you are also spending money on physical barriers including razor wire fences along your borders. in 2017, the high commissioner said that this practice means that every migrant would be detained in shipping containers surrounded by razor wire fences. is that really necessary? everyone should respect rules and regulations in europe. according to european regulations, those countries located outside the external border of the schengen zone must make sure that their borders will only be cross through the official points, with the appropriate travel documentation. this is a must comply
2:37 am
regulations. but razor wire fences and even children, from the ages of 14, and even children, from the ages of 1a, are being detained? and even children, from the ages of 14, are being detained? because we have more than 500 kilometres of external border, the eu is regarding the schengen area. it is our duty to protect the border. tens of thousands of illegal migrants have entered the territory of hungry. we asa entered the territory of hungry. we as a country must, who is to say it is normal that tens of thousands of people behave aggressively and invade your borders, they demand supply at railway stations, occupying public areas. that is what your government says, but as i said, your government says, but as i said, you are at odds with eu policy on migration. a un hcr spokesman said
2:38 am
hungary has violated its obligations under eu laws and will have a terrible impact on women, children and men who have already suffered greatly. it is really bad for your reputation, and that is why i said it is not just reputation, and that is why i said it is notjust eu member states who have... it is notjust eu member states who have. . . that it is notjust eu member states who have... that is an accusation, we have... that is an accusation, we have met all the international standards and fulfilled all of the obligations. we have secured and supplied the necessary supply at a refugee camps. we have not supplied them on public areas like train stations, because we told them, you have to co—operate with local authorities, identify yourself, register according to eu regulations and go to the refugee camps. they rejected any kind of local authorities. i just
2:39 am
rejected any kind of local authorities. ijust want rejected any kind of local authorities. i just want to clarify that the us says the migrants are being treated well by hungry, but in a confined situation. your stand has also got you into power is with the european court ofjustice —— problems. they said that hungary is in violation of its obligations to the eu because of your refusal to accept something like 1300 asylum seekers under an eu wide plan. why won't you comply? we take the ruling very seriously. based on that, we have looked at the ruling. my experience is that there are many people, internationally, people and institutions who have straightforward opinions about this regulation without reading it. the ruling says that the process is through which the interior ministers of the european union made the
2:40 am
decision about this was in line with the european regulations, period. that is why they said that the debate, the legal debate, it has just started now. the european court of justice just started now. the european court ofjustice said that the decision was according to european regulations. i don't want to make it too complicated, the fact is you are in violation and the european court of justice in violation and the european court ofjustice said you are not in the rights to do this —— your rights. the figures are quite startling, you're supposed to take 1300 asylum seekers from italy and greece, it italy had 180,000 people come to its shores last year, greece, 50,000. how many did hungry take last year, asylu m how many did hungry take last year, asylum seekers? we have received 400,000 illegal migrants, marched through hungry in 2015. last year i
2:41 am
am talking about. we have to put this phenomenon into consideration. we made it clear that we have to protect ourselves. we have spent 800 million euros on protecting the schengen area. you know how much support we received from the eu? zero. the big eu member states, speaking about solidarity, they are just not fair. italy is bearing a huge brunt and they have also said they are not receiving enough funding. that is why they made a proposal at the beginning that we have to be able to protect ourselves. i understand that protecting the maritime border is not easy, but that does not mean it is impossible. we are ready to take pa rt is impossible. we are ready to take part to put together a common agreement for the european union to protect our borders. in the last two and a half years, nothing happened.
2:42 am
what are you going to do now? the german chancellor said, if one government says it is not interested in the agreement with the european court of justice, that in the agreement with the european court ofjustice, that cannot be accepted. they have to be respected by all. that is the fact of the matter. you are isolating the leaders of europe. that is not right. what are you going to do now? we have a serious debate. we take the ruling seriously as we take the german chancellor seriously. but i have to tell you that illegal migration should be addressed seriously as a challenge. we should carry out a rational debate instead ofan carry out a rational debate instead of an emotional one. we have to start with protecting our own borders, and then the debate goes immediately emotional. were the judges of the european court of
2:43 am
justice being emotional? i'd think so, yes. democracy is a phenomenon where you are allowed to represent your position. if you take it seriously, then we should respect each other a little bit more. accusing the other person immediately after he or she ex presses immediately after he or she expresses her opinion... yes, the european court ofjustice made a political decision... there is clear unity night in central europe. you are talking about the czech republic, slovakia and poland? you just said, look, it is your right to ta ke just said, look, it is your right to take the stand. you have to accept the consequences of that. the swedish prime minister said in april that countries who don't take their responsibility regarding migration
2:44 am
policy seriously should not be supported by the eu in the same way, do you except that if you take that stands you may have to suffer the consequences? you are the third biggest recipient of funds in the european commission. it accuses hungry without regarding solidarity rear in the humanitarian crisis. we have spent 800 million euros on the border without help. european forces are based on contracts. many european sources are taken advantage of by western european countries. the vast majority of eu resources sent to hungary are... are there any benefits that western european countries... don't try to make me say what i didn't say. these
2:45 am
resources a re say what i didn't say. these resources are not usable for us based on contracts. that has nothing to do with the migratory policy. if we speak about that, we have to speak about the fact that these resources a re speak about the fact that these resources are ta ken speak about the fact that these resources are taken advantage of by western european countries. we are very happy with the western european and american companies in our country. we are very happy with that. but if they both take advantage of this situation, don't make unfair treatment is about hungry. what do you mean by a battle? we will now have a debate with the european commission, as it has launched infringement procedures on hungary on many issues and i am pretty sure that this will continue. another area where the hon gerry government has received criticism is over a new law governing ngos that
2:46 am
receive foreign funding, more than 28,000 us dollars —— hungarian. they have to register with the authorities. you have been cordoned to withdraw this action. but if they do it they should do the same or even more regarding the us, because... but the us is not a member of the eu. sorry, the us is still a member of the united nations. i am very happy to address it. number one, this law of hours is putting much less burdens on ngos in the us. number two, putting much less burdens on ngos in the us. numbertwo, the putting much less burdens on ngos in the us. number two, the only thing we ask the ngos for, if they get funding above a certain amount of money on an annual basis, they have to announce it on their website, because we think it's a very legitimate demand from the people to
2:47 am
know from where those organisations are being financed. we try to influence public opinion, because it's very legitimate demand. they have to be opened with their finances. ngos would like to influence public opinion, they must register, if they get foreign funding. similarly, the control over foreign universities in hungary? it's not true. they have to reveal their sources of funding? the law on higher education is about the following. if you are foreign—based university, based outside the eu, your operation must be based on an intergovernmental agreement. your operation must be based on an intergovernmentalagreement. if your operation must be based on an intergovernmental agreement. if you issue a diploma of registered in another country you must have a campus or education programme in
2:48 am
that given country. we now have 21 foreign base universities in hungary. i don't think you've heard any complaints from anyone. but the central european university... this is the only one. funded by george star as, is the only one. funded by george staras, a is the only one. funded by george star as, a hungarian—born financier, but you know the director of the ceu, a highly respected international figure, ceu, a highly respected internationalfigure, a ceu, a highly respected international figure, a former canadian politician, said, we are fighting for the institutions of all of hungary. that view is supported by the german president as well. but we are hungary and we are very happy-- we are hungary and we are very happy... we are very we are hungary and we are very er happy we are hungary and we are very happy... we are very happy that others consider as very important, but they usually make comments on our domestic issues. but i would be
2:49 am
very curious as to how many foreign—based institutions are based in germany. even if i knew the figure i wouldn't make a comment. we have 21 foreign based universities. if the situation was that bad as has been put forward, why don't you hear complaints from the other 20 foreign—based universities? how is it possible that a couple of weeks ago i came to merrylands and signed an agreement with the state of merrylands about the future operation of the mcdaniel college, and other american university, in the country? why can't the ceu comp like? the point is you are stamping on the kinds of views that may disagree with yours. george soros himself said in june disagree with yours. george soros himself said injune this year that the prime minister viktor 0rban has sought to frame his policies as a personal conflict between the two of us and has made me the target of his unrelenting propaganda campaign. he cast himself as the leader of
2:50 am
sovereignty and me as a shady speculator. we had a serious debate with george soros and he would like to see at least 1 with george soros and he would like to see at least1 million illegal migrants in europe on an annual basis, with which we definitely disagree. it is a security issue. he says that's not the case. he says... it is written. you can read it on internet. he says you accuse him of using his money to flood europe with illegal immigrants as part of some vague but nefarious plot and he refuse what you've just said. the truth is that he finances himself and through his organisations ngos which are proprietary —— probe migration, which plans to bring more in legal migrants to europe. this is a fact. it is another fact that we have a serious debate with him and the fact that we would like —— he would like to see the government out
2:51 am
of power. we understand it. but debate is a democratic right and why should we agree with someone and we do not agree? it's a matter of democracy again that we are allowed to express our opinion. but is it more than expressing your opinion? ruling central right party of which you are obviously a member, the prime minister, viktor 0rban, has made migration a centrepiece of your campaignfor made migration a centrepiece of your campaign for re—election next spring. he says europe is prepared to hand its territory over to a new mixed islamic europe and he talks about the de— christianisation of europe. this is really about keeping muslims out? no, we are christian country. the christian democratic government. if you are a christian democratic must not be anti— anything, so we are not against... you bite you are anti—muslim. anything, so we are not against... you bite you are anti-muslim. no, we have a muslim community in hungary. not big cause of historic reasons. but they are very successful and
2:52 am
very respected members of our society. but if you look back at the last two to three years, the challenges ahead of the european union, you see that illegal migration posed an enormous security threat on europe and you see the consequences. the terrorist attacks and the threat of terror and the serious security conditions in europe and we are responsible for all countries. we are responsible for the security of our own country. —— for ourown for the security of our own country. —— for our own country. we would not like to see the thing that happened in 2015, and hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants occupied alp public areas and that's a matter of the country. we heard from jean—claude juncker, the european commission president, in his state of the union address last week, talk about a more centralist integrated europe that he would like to see and a more integrated foreign policy. with the background of the russian
2:53 am
military exercises that have been taking place, involving belarus and so on, you see greater union on the foreign policy regarding russia? we are small central european country and we have a very clear understanding of our history. whenever there was conflict between the east and west, regardless of the countries, central europe always lost. that's what we know from very simple history. so we know we don't wa nt to simple history. so we know we don't want to be losers any more. that's why we cross our fingers because we are small country. we cross fingers that we can't really cool influence global issues. —— really influence. so we cross our fingers. we want to help central europe. we do hope that in the future there will be a better cooperation between the european union and russia, the us and russia. we see this is not the case now. we see that the direction we are going is not bat direction. so we have to
2:54 am
understand that currently the situation is very bad. there is a lack of trust. you wouldn't use the word antagonistic to describe russia? i don't want to comment on the words of boris. it is a totally different situation to be a foreign minister of the uk and being the foreign minister of a small central european country. what i can tell you is that we are pretty much concerned about the situation and concerned about the situation and concerned about the relationship between the east and west and we hope it will improve in the future stock white in 2014, viktor 0rban said, i don't think our eu membership precludes us from building and a liberal new state based on national foundations building and a liberal new state based on nationalfoundations —— illiberal. are these actions putting forward a position where you may as
2:55 am
well advocate leaving the eu? 0ur place in the eu. hungry can only be strong in a strong european union. we are part of the european union, we are members and we value that. peter szijjarto, thank you very much for coming on hardtalk thank you. hello there. we are starting wednesday on a fine note for many, bright with some sunshine, largely dry. but across the north—west corner, another weather system moving in, bringing thickening cloud, outbreaks of rain and strengthening winds. by the end of the night, it could be quite wet in places, same too for western scotland. towns and cities, temperatures by the start of wednesday around
2:56 am
double figures, but cooler in the countryside with mist and fog. this is the way the system responsible for bringing that weather front. high presure moving into the near continent. this is something we will see for the rest of the week, lifting mild airfrom the south, picking up south—west winds. starting off on a fine and bright note this morning, good spells of sunshine. cloud increasing across western areas, showers developing ahead of this rain. that will get going this afternoon across northern ireland and in too much of scotland, getting into western wales and the south—west of england. ahead of this, waking up to brightness. 19, 20, maybe 21. warmer than it has been over the past week. wednesday into thursday, that rain continues to spread east. some heavy bursts through the night, especially in south—west england and wales, north—west england and scotland. by thursday afternoon, across central and eastern areas, the far south—east seeing some warm sunshine, 20—21 degrees, cooler and fresher further west. low pressure moving
2:57 am
off into the north sea as we head into friday. a brief ridge of high pressure before the next weather system comes in off the atlantic. starting friday on a brighter note with some sunshine, especially in central, southern and eastern parts. in the west, downhill with wind and rain pushing in. across northern ireland, then into scotland, england and wales, fairly heavy bursts. fairly warm across east and south—east areas, 19—20 degrees, fresher further west. looking at the caribbean, hurricane maria ploughed through dominica and martinique on monday night into tuesday, causing devastation. the storm is continuing to maintain its strength, ploughing across the british and us virgin islands and puerto rico, it could cause on devastation on wednesday morning as a major category five, and thereafter pushing to the north of hispanola. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers
2:58 am
in north america and around the globe. my name's mike embley. our top stories: a powerful earthquake strikes central mexico — toppling buildings and leaving at least 130 people dead. many are feared to be trapped in the ruins. i don't know the extent of the damage. what i do know is that dozens of people are desperately removing rubble here because they believe that someone here is trapped. hurricane maria strengthens as it sweeps west across the caribbean. the virgin islands and puerto rico are facing a potentially catastrophic impact. talking tough at the un — president trump says north korea faces total destruction if it threatens the united states. the north sea gives up a century—old secret — divers discover the wreck of a first world war german submarine.
2:59 am
3:00 am

8 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on