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this is bbc news. i'm martine croxall. the headlines: theresa may sets out her vision for brexit. speaking in florence the prime minister called for a two year transitional period arrangement — to allow for an orderly exit from the eu. so during the implementation period access to one another‘s markets should continue on current terms and britain also should continue to take part in existing security measures. and i know businesses, in particular, would welcome the certainty this would provide. watched by members of the cabinet — she said britain would pay its "fair share" to the eu during that period. the uk will honour commitments we have made during the period of our membership. as the prime minister left florence — labour said the plans were a consequence of cabinet infighting. this whole speech seemed to be the product of the internal negotiations of the tory party rather than the
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negotiations with the eu. we'll be getting reaction to the prime minister's speech from the former northern ireland secretary and brexit campaigner, theresa villiers. the other main stories on bbc news: an 18—year—old man is charged with attempted murder — after the bomb attack on a london underground train last week. the taxi app uber is to lose its licence to operate in london — putting thousands of drivers‘ jobs at risk. donald trump and kim jong un trade insults while the north korean leader threatens to detonate a hydrogen bomb over the pacific. good evening and welcome to bbc news. theresa may has set out her proposals for a transition of around two years after the uk leaves the european union in march 2019. in a speech in florence,
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she offered to go on paying a "fair share" into the eu budget, with continued access to the single market during that period. my colleague christian fraiser watched the speech in florence the prime minister theresa may has been setting out her brexit vision which crucially extends the period before we finally leave the european union until 2021. she said the european union had neverfelt part of the uk national story this was 110w of the uk national story this was now an exciting time for britain, it had been widely predicted she would propose a significant so—called transition period and she did that promising to pay into the eu budget and observe the existing rules on market access and free movement. 0ur political editor was listening to the speech. waiting, waiting, and waiting. it is months since the prime minister gave anything away on brexit.
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and if you are in a hurry to disentangle completely, you might just have to wait some more. she came to florence to confirm that for as long as two years after we are technically out, not that much might change. a period of implementation would be in our mutual interest. i am proposing there should be such a period after the uk leaves the eu. people, businesses and public services should only have to plan for one set of changes in the relationship between the uk and the eu. so during the implementation period, access to one another‘s markets should continue on current terms. and during that time, we will keep paying billions into the eu budget but the transition will not be longer than two years, under a so—called double lock. at the heart of these arrangements there should be a clear double lock, a guarantee that there will be a period of implementation, giving businesses
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and people the certainty that they will be able to prepare for the change, and a guarantee that this implementation period will be time limited. giving everyone the certainty that this will not go on forever. still, i do not want our partners to fear that they will need to pay more or receive less over the remainder of the current budget plan as a result of our decision to leave. the uk will honour commitments we have made during the period of our membership. for the 3 million or so europeans who live in the uk there is a prize of extra legal protections. we want you to stay, we value you, and thank you for your contribution to our national life. and it has been, and remains, one of my first goals in this negotiation, to ensure you can carry on living your lives as before. 0n the relationship between the eu
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and the uk after we leave, optimism but few more clues, beyond ruling out copying someone else‘s deal. we can do so much better than this. let us not seek to adopt a model already enjoyed by other countries. instead, let us be creative, as well as practical, in designing an ambitious economic partnership which respects the freedoms and principles of the eu, and the wishes of the british people. what do you say to voters at home who chose to leave, who might be angry to hear that the immigration rules will be roughly the same for another few years, markets will be roughly the same for another few years. are theyjustified in being a bit cross about that? people voted to leave the eu and at the end of march 2019, we will. but people also voted to ensure that the process would be orderly and smooth, so people had confidence in their future and businesses had confidence in theirfuture, too. but even though they trotted out to back the speech with full force today, getting her
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cabinet to agree this much has been a hefty task. good afternoon. foreign secretary, you told voters they would not have to pay more money, immigration would be controlled immediately, but everything will be the same for five years. you have been defeated, haven't you? no, no, no. as the prime minister said, we will have a transition period and after that we will be taking back control of our borders, of our laws, and of our destiny. and another, not exactly a subtle display, but the two sides at the same cabinet table have managed to find some common ground. it was an excellent speech by the prime minister, a decisive intervention which has given great clarity to business and our european partners. the crucial voices from the cabinet were with theresa may in florence to sketch out the plans but different sympathies mean that difficult decisions are not
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taken but deferred. in this renaissance city, theresa may has made no new blinding discoveries. instead she has admitted that for some years much will stay the same. she is inching towards some of the compromises brexit could require. but can this speech make any difference? the eu chief negotiator used 140 characters to say, "thanks for the speech, but we shall see". and theresa may's opponents believe it is still tory accounts that are being settled. this seemed the product of internal problems of the tory party, rather than negotiations with the eu. nor has it pleased to those who cheered for brexit loudest of all. a good day for the political classes, a good day for westminster and two fingers up to 17.4 million people who voted brexit, no ifs, no buts. and on the biggest question, how our histories will intertwine in the years and decades to come, relative silence, more
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doubts than clear answers. in a process so complex and important, the prime minister seems to cast shadows where ever she stands. you may have detected that the speech was big on the areas where she was talking about where britain will be going in this relationship into the future but there wasn't much technical detail. our reality check correspondent explains what the prime minister has committed to. it is pretty clear that the moment money is still the biggest problem, hardly a surprise but will be eu see this as progress? the prime minister has made it clear that she wants a transitional period of around two years after we leave the eu in march 2019 during which market access will continue on current terms, crucially she concedes this will be under the existing structure of eu rules and regulations, freedom of movement and
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the jurisdiction of the european court ofjustice the jurisdiction of the european court of justice and the jurisdiction of the european court ofjustice and payments into the eu budget. that means brexit would create a big hole in the current seven—year budget and that will get a cautious welcome in other capitals. the uk will pay about £18 billion in the two—year transition period and many in the eu may wonder why that suggestion could not have been made many months ago to get things moving, and they won't be hanging at the bunting just yet because there are painting of other bills that the eu expects the uk to cover that plenty of other. the share ofjohnjoint projects. the pension pot could be another £8 billion, there are also outstanding loans and liabilities for the michel barnier has always said we need to settle all the accounts, so the speech may be seen as a step in the
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right direction by brussels but there's a long way to go. the other big sticking point right now, before we even start talking about trade, theissue we even start talking about trade, the issue of citizens rights, eu once the european court ofjustice to be the ultimate legal guarantor of any agreement on the future status of more than 3 million eu citizens in the uk at the moment, and today theresa may suggested an agreement should be written into uk law and british courts should take into account the rulings of the ec] but that is not quite the same thing, and while negotiations have to contain compromise, the trouble here is that they are not that many grey areas when it comes to defining legal jurisdiction. grey areas when it comes to defining legaljurisdiction. we have had some initial reaction from the europeans, crucially from the parliament's negotiator who said that he was pleased to see that the uk government has finally committed to the idea of a transition and also from michel barnier, the european
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commission negotiator who said theresa may has expressed a constructive spirit which is also the spirit of the european union during this unique negotiation but he wants to see more concrete detail when the fourth round of the talks begins on monday and he has been pressing on everyone that time is short. he says we have just a year to talk about this future trading relationship. all eyes will shift from florence to those talks in brussels when they begin on monday. you are watching bbc news. christian fraser in florence, lucky thing. i'm joined by the former northern ireland secretary and leave campaigner theresa villiers. a very different tone to this speech impaired with how theresa may was standing before the general election —— compared. what has happened to the no—nonsense, rather threatening tone towards the eu? there is a change of tone, and i wouldn't say the previous one was threatening,
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but this speech is very clearly showing a willingness to listen to the eu and their concerns and a willingness to compromise and to listen to both sides of the dip eight in the uk, —— of the debate in the uk, and try to come up with an hour, that those who voted for both sides can at least feel comfortable —— try to come up with an outcome. also about healing divisions in her cabinet? i would say it is about trying to build consensus across a sharp divide opened up across the country by the referendum. i believe very strongly we should implement the result of the referendum but we should try to do so in a way which is sensitive to the outlook and concerns of those who voted the other way and i think this speech focusing on the transition period and stability in that period is a recognition of the need to compromise and listen to voices on different types of the debate. ——
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sides. what would you say to people who voted for brexit and believed in 18 months that would be it and we would not be subject to immigration rules and the markets would have changed and we would not have to pay into the eu budget?” changed and we would not have to pay into the eu budget? i would like to see the advantages of brexit realised as quickly as possible but business needs certainty and the important message for brexit supporters is that the end of the transition period, we will get back control over our laws and borders and our money. how much further forward would you hope the negotiations would have been by now? i think they are going reasonably well, especially on the issue of citizens rights and the border, there has been progress, and the reception to this speech has been positive and i feel optimistic that this speech takes us closer to a successful outcome. you mentioned
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the border, an area of great interest to you as a former northern ireland secretary, what reassurance can you give to people in northern ireland and ireland that that matter will be dealt with sensitively in time for a smooth brexit? they're reassurance i time for a smooth brexit? they're reassurance i can time for a smooth brexit? they're reassurance i can give them is that there is a real political will on both sides of this negotiation to resolve this in a way which sees the border is open and free flowing after brexit as it is today, and this transition period gives us longer to make sure that we reach the deal we need to make sure it happens. thanks forjoining us. and we'll find out how this story — and many others — are covered in tomorrow's front pages at 1040 this evening in the papers. 0ur guestsjoining me tonight are randeep ramesh, chief leader writer at the guardian and kate devlin, deputy political editor of the sunday express. the headlines on bbc news: theresa may has proposed that britain should stay a part of key
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aspects of the eu for two years after brexit — in what she's described as an "implementation period." an 18—year—old man is charged with attempted murder — after the bomb attack on a london underground train last week. the taxi app uber is to lose its licence to operate in london — putting thousands of drivers' jobs at risk. sport now and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. after a tricky week for women's football with the dismissal of england coach mark sampson, the focus has returned to matters on the pitch with the women's superleague kicking off tonight. and it's begun with a merseyside derby. everton against liverpool. it's the first time the women's season has coincided with the men's. that chance from walker was cleared off the line. still goalless. ronaldo, messi and neymar are the three men nominated for the best fifa men's player short list.
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ronaldo won the inaugural award last year, which replaced the longstanding world player of the year. that was the fourth year the real madrid star won a version of the title. messi has also won a version in four years. his former team—mate neymar, who became the world's most expensive footballer when he moved from barcelona to psg for £200 million this summer, has been nominated before but always finished behind the others. chelsea's antonio conte is up for the men's coach award after leading them to the premier league title in his first season at stamford bridge. he's up against zinedine zidane, whose champions league winning side real madrid beatjuventus in the final, managed by the category‘s third nominee max allegri. you can find the full list of nominations on the bbc sport website. probably not voting for conte is diego costa. he's arrived back in spain to formalise his move from chelsea to atletico madrid which will be completed in january. he was told he was not part of conte's plans and refused to go anywhere else except back to atletico. british boxer hughie fury says he will deliver the "performance
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of his life" to claim joseph parker's wbo world heavyweight title in manchester tomorrow night and calls it his destiny. fury‘s hoping to win back his cousin tyson's belt. he's unbeaten in his 20 professional fights but is up against his most difficult opponent, who's also unbeaten and weighed in heavier at 17 stone seven. 0ne game in rugby league's super 8s tonight. hull fc will confirm a superleague semifinal spot if they avoid defeat at castleford who have already secured theirs. it's currently 10—0 to hull. a win would seal third place for hull meaning they'd face leeds away in their semifinal. defeat would allow wigan the chance to go above them with victory in theirfinal match against wakefield on saturday. four of this summer's british
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and irish lions have been left out of the england training squad for camp in oxford this weekend. james haskell is the most experienced to be excluded along with fellow forwards george kruis and kyle sinckler. centre jonathan joseph also misses out having featured regularly for eddie jones of late. 18—year—old harlequins fly half marcus smith is the surprise inclusion amongst the 33 names. i think he has done very well, played very well for his club, well enough to warrant selection in our training club. is he a feasible england international? he is feasible cleaning the boots and holding the bags. the sei young kim coming so, we are treating him like aan coming so, we are treating him like a an apprentice and we want him to learn to be respectful of the players around him —— he is a young coming through. and england bowler toby
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roland—jones could miss out on an ashes place this winter with a serious back injury. he was almost certain to be selected after impressing having made his test debut this summer. his county middlesex say he has a stress fracture and will miss the rest of the domestic season. that is all the sport for now. studio: thanks for joining that is all the sport for now. studio: thanks forjoining us. joining me now from brussels is ian wishart, brexit and european politics correspondent for bloomberg. what is the mood in brussels tonight after theresa may's speech? speaking to the officials tonight, there's a sense of relief as much as anything because they like the tone from her and the sense that she was sounding quite serious and constructive and like she wasn't making the same sort of threats she was making six months ago, so they cautiously welcoming what she said but the devil is in
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the detail, and until the negotiators can sit around the table and translate what she said into proper business shins they really can't decide whether she said enough —— proper positions. can't decide whether she said enough -- proper positions. sterling has fallen again in reaction to what she said, how worried should we be?m is always a concern. we have known from the first day that anything involved with brexit will be volatile, it is difficult politics, people will disagree and there will be times, tough times ahead, where it looks like the negotiations looked like they might collapse and not going as fast as people would hope. but deep down they know that she probably went as far as she could go in order to give members of her cabinet happy. inaudible they think this represents a shift today, and they know there is something they can work with. they
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did not realise that before, some of the negotiation of the last few months has been empty words may have been struggling to fill the time —— they have been struggling to fill they have been struggling to fill the time, but now they think we are serious and they can get on with it. it shows how important tone is in speeches like this, so what might the eu 27 might be able to compromise on after hearing this speech? we should be clear, they are not prepared to compromise on much, we have heard of £100 billion as the brexit bill, but that was their hardline position, they are happy to bring that down, maybe £60 billion, but not £20 billion which she implicitly promised today. i don't think they will compromise on the european court of justice think they will compromise on the european court ofjustice and the
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message is there is a long way to 90, message is there is a long way to go, so they're like the tone and the constructive nurse but there is a long way to go. thanks forjoining us. an 18—year—old man has been charged with attempted murder, in connection with the parsons green tube terror attack a week ago in which 30 people were injured. ahmed hassan appeared at westminster magistrates' court this afternoon. daniel sandford reports. the moments after a fireball swept through a london underground train at parsons green last friday, injuring 30 people. that bags on fire. the cause, a home—made bomb that failed to detonate properly, made from hundreds of grams of the unstable explosive tatp. it was packed with what was intended to be shrapnel, knives and screws. today, an 18—year—old, ahmed hassan, appeared in court charged with attempted murder and causing an explosion likely to endanger life. he's an orphaned asylum seeker from iraq, who arrived in britain in 2015.
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he was arrested in the departure area of dover port last saturday and there has been an extensive week—long police search at the house in sunbury—on—thames on the outskirts of london where he had lived with elderly foster pa rents. just before ahmed hassan was taken away to prison, the prosecutor told the court that it was the crown's case that he intended to kill innocent people because of his warped political view. he will now remain in custody until he appears at the old bailey in three weeks' time. the uber minicab service, which allows people to book and pay online, has lost its license to operate in london after transport for london questioned uber‘s approach to reporting criminal offences by its drivers and conducting background checks. our business editor simon jack has more. uber has revolutionised the taxi industry. you can hail a ride, track a car on its way
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to you and automatically pay, all from an app on your phone. thomas? yes. ok, thanks very much. 3.5 million passengers, and 40,000 drivers, use it to get around in london alone, but its future, and that of its drivers, was thrown into doubt today. iam worry... a lot of worry in me, because it is my livelihood. i'm doing driving work for 15 years now. if uber, if they close uber down, i have no idea where i can go. london's transport chief said concerns over driver background checks and failures to report sexual harassment allegations meant it would be stripped of its licence, and city hall backed the move. tfl does not reach these decisions lightly, but they have to act like a judge and look at the evidence. they've looked at the evidence and concluded that uber are not playing by the rules. if users of uber and drivers are angry, then they should be angry at uber.
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the company refutes these charges and says it will appeal. we are absolutely astounded. we are going to fight this to support those drivers who will be be put out of work by this decision. we believe that consumer choice is a fundamental positive thing. that londoners should have. some consumers say safety is one of the reasons they choose uber. i use uber for when i need to get home safely on time that kind of thing. i would be a bit more nervous travelling on my own, probably not now i am older, but when i was younger, thinking about younger siblings and that kind of thing, it's nice to be able to know, i can track literally where they were. thank you very much, cheers. bye now. that process is really baked into the life of millions of people and tens of thousands of drivers. but its staggering popularity has made it unpopular in other quarters. black cab drivers have been campaigning for this for years, and welcomed today's decision. what did you make of it?
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in my opinion, it's five years too late, they should never have been licensed in the first place. why not? we've got the finest taxi service in the world, they're undercutting people. they can't compete with us on a level playing field. other cities are not affected by this ruling but it will be closely watched by transport chiefs facing similar issues. uber is the poster child for using technology to disrupt traditional industries. it won't give up without a fight, the appeal could take many months, so don't delete the app just yet. north korea has responded to president trump's warnings over its missile tests by saying it may detonate a hydrogen bomb over the pacific. the country's leader kim jong un has called president trump a "mentally deranged dotard". rupert wingfield hayes reports from the south korean capital, seoul. for the first time, kim jong—un
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stared into a camera and addressed the us president directly. he called donald trump mentally deranged and said he would pay for his threat to north korea. it did not take long for donald trump to make his response. hours earlier, in new york, the north korean foreign minister made another extraordinary threat. to drop a hydrogen bomb into the pacific. a decision to conduct the strongest ever hydrogen bomb test in the pacific ocean. here in seoul this afternoon, no signs any one is particularly worried by all of this. this city has lived under the threat from north korea for so long that even when there is really terrifying
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rhetoric coming from over the mountains up there, like today, people in seoul tend to shrug their shoulders and carry on. today they're doing so again. but if you talk to people whose job it is to worry about north korea, you will hear a different story. this man used to run the north korea desk at the state department. as far as i know, this is the first time ever an american president and a north korean leader have engaged in a name—calling match directly at one another. i don't think he has any sense of how damaging that kind of rhetoric coming from an american president is and how counter—productive it is when you are talking about the problem with korea. this retired general shows me the names of the 178,000 south korean and united nations soldiers who died the last time they went to war here. translation: i don't think america will attack now but if all options to pressure north korea fail,
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if he refuses to give up his weapons, in the end, the us will consider military action. if that did happen, a second korean war could be just as deadly as the first. and now the weather forecast. it was a glorious start to the data many parts of the british isles, apart from northern ireland, but with time the weather front has pushed cloud and rain across scotla nd pushed cloud and rain across scotland and parts of northern england, to wales and the south west, and overnight we will push what is left of the weather front towards the south eastern quarter of the british isles, and it won't be a cold night in many areas, apart from the north—western courts —— quarter of scotland, where it might be for— five. saturday, some rain, but the
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mass of cloud drifting further north, allowing brighter skies into the south, and a bit of brightness around the murray coast, temperatures could reach 18—19. the weather front moves into northern parts of the british isles on sunday but in the east, with a bit of sunshine, 21 or 22 is possible. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines: theresa may has set out proposals for a two—year transition period after britain leaves the eu in march 2019, and promised to honour budget commitments during that time. so during the implementation period access to one another's markets should continue on current terms and britain also should continue to take part in existing security measures. and i know businesses, in particular, would welcome the certainty this would provide. an 18—year—old man has been charged with attempted murder
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following the attack at parsons green tube station last friday. the app—based taxi service uber says it will appeal against transport for london's decision not to renew its licence. there's been a further heightening of the rhetoric between north korea and the united states, with the two leaders questioning each other‘s sanity. let's return now to our main story — theresa may has been outlining the uk's position on brexit in a speech in florence. the prime minister said she knew businesses were keen for some clarity about what brexit would mean for them. let's hear a little of what she said about plans for a transitional period. how long the period is should be determined simply by how long it will take to prepare and implement the new processes and new systems that will underpin that new future partnership. for example, it will take time to put in place a new immigration system required to take control of the uk's borders.
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so, during the limitation period, people will continue to be able to come and live and work in the uk, but there will be a registration system — an essential preparation for the new regime. as of today, these considerations point to an implimentation period of around two years. as expected, the prime minister ruled out the uk following the canadian model, when it came to negotiating a trading relationship between the uk and the eu. mrs may said the uk was well placed to get a better deal. the uk is the eu's largest trading partner. one of the largest economies in the world, and a market of considerable importance for many businesses and jobs across the continent. and the eu is our largest trading partner, so it is in all of our interests to find a creative solution. and the eu has shown in the past that creative arrangements can be agreed in other areas. for example, it's developed a diverse array of arrangements with neighbouring countries outside
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the eu, both in economic relations and justice and home affairs. furthermore, we share the same set of fundamental beliefs — a belief in free trade, rigorous and fair competition, strong consumer rights, and that trying to beat other countries' industries by unfairly subsidising one's own is a serious mistake. so there is no need to impose tariffs where we have none now, and i don't think anyone sensible is contemplating this. earlier, we spoke to our correspondent, christian fraser, who's been in florence all day, covering reaction to the prime minister's speech. let's pick up on some of the detail in that speech today. we talked to our political editor and kevin connolly, who were in that speech today. i was listening to it and i thought, for all the talk through the summer about philip hammond
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getting the upper hand, that we are moving towards a softer brexit, it sounds an awful lot like the lancaster house speech she gave last november. that is certainly the foundation of what theresa may waldo, absolutely. despite the speculation that has gone on and on through the summer, i don't think the prime minister has ever deviated away from the central ideas in that, that we will be out of the overall jurisdiction of the european court, and we will be categorically out of the single market. what has been important about today, and the real wake—up call for a lot of people at home, will have been the prime ministers saying for up to two years after we leave, up until 2021, really not that much is going to change. you think of all the drama of the referendum result itself, how much of a break with the past that seemed, i think for many voters, whatever side they were on, that is going to feel like it is a really
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big statement. it is something that has been pretty much acknowledged at whitehall and westminster for some time, but for the prime minister to finally put word to that effect out there in the public, communicating with them that it will take a long time, that is important. for me, that was the standout from today. time, that is important. for me, that was the standout from todaym will be some reassurance to the business committee, because they wa nt business committee, because they want a transition. the second part of your question after the speech was the, was the no deal better than a bad deal situation? she said it was still on the table. she has, and had she not expert at the said that in answer to the question, she would have had tory backbenchers on her case. there are people in the tory party who believe that has to be there as a real threat because otherwise we will roll over and take anything that brussels chooses to give us. that was not explicitly in the speech, that only emerged through questions. there was a softer tone towards the rest of the
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eu, it was about how we will be friends, skipping through the meadows happily as partners. if you contrast that with lancaster house, when she was deliberately much firmer... on to the nitty-gritty. talking to the europeans here in florence, most of them are concerned they will not be able to go to britain once brexit has been an active. she did try to give some reassurance today, but there is the supremacy of law, is it the uk courts or the european courts? she tried to make it notjust about tone, about the plans for the future, when they are so far undefined, they will be a slightly under the prime minister said was a breadline for the uk to have the european court ofjustice
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overseeing the rights of european citizens living in britain, and the europeans see the ecj not as a piece of meddlesome bureaucratic overreach orjudicial imperialism of meddlesome bureaucratic overreach or judicial imperialism but of meddlesome bureaucratic overreach orjudicial imperialism but as a kind of rolls royce judicial institution that guarantees rights. that is somewhere where britain feels like it has a workaround. you listen to the european court of justice. people in brussels will hear that, they may not be completely happy, but you put it together with theresa may's tone, her attempt to explain why britain never felt entirely comfortable in the european union and they sense theresa may making a kind of over chalk or two, making things sound a little better. it has shown a little bit that it has worked, they get that tone. the problem is that you instantly go back to the line by
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line point by point detail, and we are back to that side of things on monday. we have a weekend of enjoying the tone, but on monday it is nitty—gritty detail again. enjoying the tone, but on monday it is nitty-gritty detail again. where does this lead labour? we have spoken about singer market labour mentorship and so on, and there is a bit of fudging because they have the same divisions within their party. does it put them in a more difficult position? it depends how they play it. keir starmer has said that theresa may went to florence to say that she is adopting their position. theresa may has now acknowledged there will be the same rules and regulations, especially around the markets, that does put are much closer to the labour position than she was this time yesterday. labour does still have internal division around freedom of movement and weather they should be pushing for that or weather as many of the mps believe, they have do share some of
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the tory interpretation of the referendum result and say, we do have to do something to bring those numbers down. however, for the tories, this is much more challenging. they will be pushed lay—by date as the reality of the negotiations is likely to force theresa may to make more compromises. it is a notable achievement that today she has managed to get them on the same page. that is no mean feat when you consider, for the tories, europe is like neuralgia. it is such a core issue for the tory party. generation after generation have had real problems. she will be pleased today, they have been backing her publicly. that will not last. i'm joined via webcam by allie renison, who is the head of europe and trade policy at the institute of directors. thank you forjoining us this evening. what did you like about what mrs may had to say today? the tone was great. 0n substance, it is
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the first time we have had the cabinet coming out via the pm and saying that transition is what we want, it is necessary. the question now becomes, how does this translate to further progress semiconductor that things the business wants to talk about, citizens rights, trade arrangements, the negotiation row next week. she said the transition period would be important for businesses, but what about the length of it? is two years enough? she did talk about it being around two years. there is little room for that being something subject to negotiation for the eu. at the end of the last ago heating round, the chief eu negotiator, maybe in a bit of gamesmanship, said all we are doing is waiting for the uk to ask for a transition, so we hope that is on the agenda. 0ne for a transition, so we hope that is on the agenda. one of the things most important was this commitment to business only having to go to one set of changes. what sort of model would be preferable, in your mind,
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given that she has ruled out the canadian idea? she said we wanted something that is between the canadian style and the norway one. the norwegian one is not great for financial services, you have issues around what extent you are subject to european rules without voting power. 0ther to european rules without voting power. other sectors have a problem with that. we are looking for something that basically builds beyond canada, because that really does restrict market access. it allows for some thing that is based on unprecedented corporation between the two sides, that is why the comeback to this idea. there is what you can do, but it requires time if it is not an off—the—shelf model. how important was this idea that she was honest about the implications and difficulties that businesses will have to face during this period? it was interesting that she
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did talk about the idea that if we are not going for a norway style model, there are implications for our market access arrangements. i do think people need to be a bit honest that leaving pe you in any shape or form will bring some added costs for business, but the question now is, how will it take to try and get an arrangement if it is not an off—the—shelf model like norway, which maintains maximum market access but allows some kind of regulatory control? those are the choices ahead. if you have a transition period, it allows space. what we are worried about is if it is only two years and the negotiations on technical issues are not start until march 2019, that does leave a year for negotiations and a yearfor does leave a year for negotiations and a year for businesses to adjust, so that will be subject to negotiations in the week ahead. what will you want to hear next run the eu 27? we would like to hear why sufficient progress in their rise,
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and why they don't deem it to be made. i know that the pm did not spend a huge mat of time talking about that. it is important to whether we are always told that eu leaders do not like the idea of speech is taking the place of negotiations. i would speech is taking the place of negotiations. iwould not speech is taking the place of negotiations. i would not have accepted her to make any grand declarations. citizens rights are something that they can agree to move forward on. we will see after the next negotiating round how much of that there is. ireland is another issue, there cannot be much done without discussing trade. thank you very much for talking to us. earlier today, our colleague, christian fraser, went out and about in florence to hear what the people of europe think about brexit. nowhere is there a greater gathering
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of europeans than here outside this famous building with the fabulous marble facade, and people of all nationalities come here to steep themselves in the renaissance. but what about the italians? what did they make of theresa may's appearance here in florence? this there are some italians who are anti—europe. there are some italians who are anti-europe. i am pro-europe. we may not be allowed to go to england freely, there will be some limitations. that is the view of the italians. what about the major power brokers? the germans. henry is from heidelberg. hello. an important election on sunday. angela merkel
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was no doubt listening today. what do you think of brexit? it is not good, i'm not happy about it. it was a folly of the english people to vote for brexit. why are you here we have an election on sunday? we're tourists. we are on a tour. you are keen to go and watch the speech? are you keen to watch what she had to say? whether she was looking to soften probation. should she soften it? yes, because we would love to keep britain within the european union. do politicians lie? i don't love politics or politicians. but i live because i


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