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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. theresa may isn't backing down after donald trump attacked. the issue is him sharing far—right videos. the president said don't focus on me, focus on the uk‘s problems — to which the prime minister replied. i'm very clear that retweeting from britain first was the wrong thing to do. let's be clear — none of this normal between the leaders of the us and the uk — we'll be live in washington dc. multiple reports america's top diplomat rex tillerson is facing the sack, here's what the president had to say about it. he's here. rex is here. thank you very much, everybody. don't hold your breath for a unified response to north korea. russia is accusing america of provoking kimjung un. and china is ignoring an america plan to cut of north korea's oil supplies. and we'll be at the border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland — to look in detail at why this issue
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has become so central to the brexit talks. you don't criticise donald trump and expect to be ignored. so it's proved for theresa may and her number ten colleagues. the issue at stake is the president's retweets of videos from a british far right group. earlier donald trump took aim on twitter. this was theresa may's response during a press conference injordan. the fact that we work together does not mean that we are afraid to say
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when we think united states have got it wrong. i am very clear, that re—tweeting from britain first was the wrong thing to do. the leader of the wrong thing to do. the leader of the conservative party. now the mayor of london. this is sajid javid, a minister in the government, representing the conservative party. this is unprecedented for so many senior british politicians to be openly attacking the american president. it's worth noting donald initially tweeted the wrong theresa may. rather than the prime minister, he'd targeted a woman who lives in bognor on the south
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coast of england. not necessarily the attention to detail you'd be looking forfrom the man in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. anyhow, his tweet has brought this controversy to the boil. this was earlier in the house of commons. action is needed now, not a slap on the wrist. cancel the state visit. if he is allowed to come to this country now, you should be treated as anyone else who breaks the law and charged with inciting racial hatred. the government should withdraw the invitation. right wing extremism or the sort we have seen in national action, which means we have prescribed it, isjust as hateful and dangerous as any radical islamic extremism. help engage the degree to which this is real
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political pressure on theresa may?” think there has been widespread angen think there has been widespread anger. we heard it in the clips you played. the debate in westminster was pretty extraordinary in terms of the language that's what the politicians were using about the american president. he was called stupid, racist, others said he was evil. as we heard, president trump was accused of being pandering to the far right. there has been quite a lot of pressure on theresa may. i think we can be in no doubt about the anger that there is among some politicians. politicians from the labour party, in opposition, the scottish national party, the liberal democrats. as you showed, some of the tweets have been from conservatives, and senior conservatives. in that sense, theresa may was left with no choice to come out and speak publicly. she said president trump was wrong to have retweeted the posts. but she
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stressed the bigger picture, the special relationship and how the special relationship and how the special relationship and how the special relationship is important for both countries. it is in both countries' interests and should continue. given the emphasis from the prime minister, is it really possible she could withdraw the offer of a state visit? to be honest, i think no. let's look at the real politics of this. right now, in the post—brexit world, if you like. the uk needs that relationship with the us, especially if it is going to get the trade deal that britain so desperately wants after we leave the eu. i don't think the invitation is going to be taken away. having said that, i don't think that the state visit is going to happen any time soon. theresa may said the invitation had been accepted and she said it had been extended and accepted, but she also said that the date had not been set. while i think the state visit will happen one day, downing street
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sources, government sources, also confirming that we might not see it happening in the foreseeable future. thank you very much, very interesting to hear from westminster. i doubt donald trump is losing any sleep about the idea that people in the uk are getting upset about this. i tested my theory with laura trevelyan in washington. none at all. in fact, he is consumed with two other dramas. one is the senate, he is due to vote on what would be the first big legislative win for him. tax cuts, and also rumours flying around washington that the white house is trying to get rid of the secretary of state, rex tillerson, that is what the president has had to field questions on today from reporters. no, this is donald trump playing to his base, via the re—tweeting strategy. remember the video of him slamming cnn to the floor? that was a retweet as well. two stages removed, it is
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not me, it isjust as well. two stages removed, it is not me, it is just the as well. two stages removed, it is not me, it isjust the idea as well. two stages removed, it is not me, it is just the idea that i am endorsing. this is an extraordinary scene. think of it, the british ambassador had to convey to the white house yesterday that the british people reject the prejudice rhetoric of the far right, something you would think is so obvious that it didn't need saying. but this is what has been stirred up. the british have been treated like almost a hostile power by the president of the united states, who has been rude about the prime minister and tweeted inflammatory material. it's pretty extraordinary. really, officials on both sides are pointing out the enduring special relationship will also endure this. the issue of the state visit is potent in the uk at the moment. do you think donald trump puts much store in how he greeted one way or another abroad? he does, he cares a lot about it. you need to make a big fuss about him. the saudis did a
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good job, there were posters of him on the way to the airport, which he liked very much. he cares a lot about the luck of the formal visit, but whether the british sit on this and don't invite him until the end of next year, it is not a state visit, it is just going to the opening of the new us embassy, i don't think that will bother him. it is consuming the british more than him, a classic donald trump tactic, you stoked outrage and move on to the next drama. the fate of the state visit is a bigger drama than it is here. lawmakers asking if it will go ahead, more out of curiosity than anything else. let's pick up on one of the things laura mentioned, multiple reports that rex tillerson, the us secretary of state, will be sacked soon. the white house says it
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is not true. if you read the new york times, it is reporting mr tillerson will be replaced by mike pompeo, currently the cia director. vanity fair has a story quoting stories saying it is all but eight done deal. the associated press also has the story. here is donald trump, answering a question about it. he is here. rex is here. thank you very much, everybody. not really a ringing endorsement. the white house expanded on that. a white house spokesperson said, "as the president just said, "rex is here." there are no personnel announcements at this time." as you'll have noted, that's not a denial. and this the latest instalment in a long—running story. in october nbc reported that the vice president had had to stop mr tillerson from resigning. this was mr tillerson's response to that. the vice president has never had to
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persuade me to remain as secretary of state because i have never considered leaving this post. lets talk to barbara plett—usher. we had a briefing in the last hour from the state department. any clues? well, the message is that it is business as usual. the secretary has had a busy day, didn't give any indication during the day he was about to lose hisjob. lots of during the day he was about to lose his job. lots of meetings, during the day he was about to lose hisjob. lots of meetings, lots during the day he was about to lose his job. lots of meetings, lots of phone calls, twice to the white house. the spokesperson here also said that general kelly, the chief of staff, and who has been reported as being behind the plan to oust him, he called the state department and said there was no such plan. the secretary saves at the pleasure of the president, but he has been given no indication that will change. his feathers do not get easily ruffled, thatis feathers do not get easily ruffled, that is how the spokesperson put it.
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he has heard these stories before and who will keep doing his job until he hears otherwise. how do we gauge the stories? the new york times, vanity fair, reputable sources in the us media, but sources that have been critical of mr trump. is there anyway of dissecting what they are telling us? it seems pretty clear that there are elements in the white house that want there to be a shift, who want mr tillerson out and they want the cia director, mike pompeo, to replace. the idea has been around for a time. well, months. we have been hearing the rumours for months. that is a long time in mrtrump's rumours for months. that is a long time in mr trump's administration! yes, perhaps that is true. perhaps the question is how much mr trump wa nts the question is how much mr trump wants that to happen. we have heard multiple reports of strained relations between the men, public signs of disagreement over policy. mrtrump, undermining his secretary with his tweets. we know it is not
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an easy relationship. the question is, how much does this plan, which seems to be supported by elements within the white house, how much it is something that mr trump wants to happen and will see carried through? the senator that is probably mr tillerson's strongest ally in congress said he thought there was a plan afoot to undermine him from the white house, but he could not say who it was. he was distancing it from mrtrump who it was. he was distancing it from mr trump himself. we don't really know how exactly it will turn out. we do know this is not the only pressure on mr tillerson. he is not very popular in the state department. he has come under a lot of criticism. assuming he is in the job, he will be travelling again soon. tell us about his plans. he is travelling to europe, to a number of european capitals. he is going to be going to nato. he had a speech this week, previewing the trip. it was
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the least america first speech i have heard from this administration. he talked about the shared history, the need for the allies to cooperate personally on security, he talked about america's strong commitment to europe. so, stronger than things that mr trump has said publicly. that was a very strong message that many people wanted to hear, that was the message he said he wanted to carry to europe. will he be able to deliver that convincingly, given the questions over his position back here? that is an important question to ask. according to the state department did hisjob, it is his position and will carry it through. inafew position and will carry it through. in a few minutes we will report from the border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. this issueis and the republic of ireland. this issue is becoming absolutely central to whether the brexit talks can move onto the next phase. more than 8 million people suffer from migraines every year.
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the headaches can be completely debilitating. in two clinical trials new drugs have been tested which appear to help people who suffer from migraines. the new approach uses anti—bodies which shield the nervous system from the headaches. the research found that the drugs helped to prevent the number and severity of attacks. dr fayyaz ahmed, a consultant neurologist explained why this drug was so significant for migraine sufferers. i think this is the first drug that is migraine specific, not developed for blood pressure, epilepsy or other things, it is a migraine drug. we have never had a preventive treatment for migraine. we have had acute treatment, that was migraine specific, but this would prevent it. in the long run, this would be injectable by the patients themselves. it is a huge development, as such. the lead story is that theresa may
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has repeated her criticism of donald trump re—tweeting extremist anti—muslim videos on twitter. but she says it will not harm the relationship between the us and the uk. other stories being covered by our language services... aid workers in syria say 500 people need urgent medical evacuation from a besieged, rebel—held enclave on the outskirts of damascus. a ceasefire is supposed to be in place. angela merkel is holding talks with leader of the social democrats martin schulz to see if they can thrash out a deal to form a government. mr schulz has previously ruled this out — but he's back at the table. no government will mean another election next year. as we often talk about, there are three issues that need
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to be resolved for brexit talks to progress — citizens‘ rights, the divorce bill, and the irish border. on that last issue, the times reports the uk will give extra powers to northern ireland that might enable its customs set up to be close to that of the republic's. the border is between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. it's the uk's only land border with the eu — so after brexit, customs posts and security checks could in theory be necessary. a hard border would mean goods and services couldn't cross freely — nor could the 30,000 people who do so to travel to work. chris buckler has been speaking to some of them. marry lindsey lives in county durham donegal and crosses the border to go to herjob as principal of a school. this is the old customs post. that was the place where you were
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stamped. it is a 15 minute drive and her concerns about a hard border go beyond potential traffic delays. the communities are quite seamless now, but there has been a lot of talk about the economy and what impact it would have, much less so about the social fabric of a society of a border people. the uk and irish governments say they don't want a ha rd governments say they don't want a hard border. but the complication is that the uk wants to leave the customs union and single market of the eu. first, here's the uk's northern ireland secretary. as we leave the european union, we leave the single market and we leave the customs union. but we know that there needs to be specific outcomes to meet the unique circumstances of northern ireland and the island of ireland as a whole. now remember all 27 eu countries need to agree before brexit talks can progress to the next phase. so ireland could, in theory, stop that happening. here's the irish foreign minister with the chris buckler. this is an historic moment and we're
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not going to allow the re—emergence ofa not going to allow the re—emergence of a physical border on this island. the european union will support us on that. there will be no need to use a veto. it sounds like if you did have to do, you would be prepared to use it? the eu side, in my view, will extend phase one and not progress phase two unless we make sufficient progress in all three areas. and it is the border thatis three areas. and it is the border that is the sticking point? the border is the sticking point and we need a credible site of parameters in which we can solve the border issues. you can imagine how keen people on both sides of the border are to see this resolved. chris page has spent the day right beside it. i spent the day here, travelling the full length of the irish border. it is nearly 300 miles long. behind me, that bridge, it is one of almost
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three hundred rd crossings that pretty much less trade is why this is such a difficult problem. there are no customs checks or anything like that. anybody can walk or drive across. you hardly know you are passing from one country into another. on the other side of the river, northern ireland, the uk. i am standing over the border in the republic of ireland. how do you resolve this? as we have heard, there is a bit of disagreement between britain and the irish government. the irish government, one of the 27 eu states that will be negotiating with britain. the british government say you can avoid physical checks on the border if you employ some kind of technology, some kind of electronic monitoring system for declaring goods even if you have the uk outside the customs union and the uk outside the customs union and the republic of ireland inside it. the irish government say that is not going to work, they would like a situation where northern ireland continues to follow the rules of the
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european union on customs, even if the rest of the uk doesn't. the problem with is that would mean checks between northern ireland and the rest of the uk. unionists, the political group that wanted to protect northern ireland's position in the uk, they are not happy about that. they are suspicious of anything that might be playing into the hands of irish nationalists, who wa nt the hands of irish nationalists, who want northern ireland to become part of the republic of ireland. so for unionists, it might feel like northern ireland is being cut off from the uk. unionists are in a particularly influential position in uk politics because the main party, the democratic unionist party, is holding the balance of power in london, propping up the minority government led by theresa may and the democratic unionist party have made it clear they would not stand for the arrangement where northern ireland continues to follow european rules, when the rest of the uk doesn't. on monday, with the help of chris morris, we are going to be spending the whole programme looking at brexit and the many elements of
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it. do tune in for that and we will be taking your questions through the hour. time for the business. us stocks hit fresh all—time highs today — the dow opened above 211,000 for the first time ever. has been going on notjust for the last year, but over the last few months it has been steeper. the boost came as us lawmakers neared a vote on tax reform. one of the last remaining senators holding out, republican senatorjohn mccain, said he'll back the bill, increasing its chances of passing. samira hussein is here. specific around the music around the tax reform and the hike? us markets out downright euphoric of the prospect of any major tax reform happening. the holdout senators, like senator john mccain, they are saying that this bill has got its problems, but,
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overall, i think it does the job, therefore i am going to support it, that has us markets shooting past the 24,000 that has us markets shooting past the 211,000 mark. during today's trading it was up some 350 points. one thing! trading it was up some 350 points. one thing i do want to mention, an anecdote, i was on the floor of the new york stock exchange this morning when it opened. when it crossed the 24,000 when it opened. when it crossed the 211,000 mark. pask milestones on the new york stock exchange, you saw that everyone was walking around with a lot of hats. i really didn't see that many hats. it signals to me, goodness, we arejust coming across these milestones so often that they can't even make the hats fast enough. donald trump likes pointing out to the strength of the dow and saying it is evidence that the us economy is doing well, but it is not quite as simple as that. the height of the stock market doesn't necessarily equal economic strength? no, there are a few reasons why we could be seeing these big market
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highs. one of them is of course that we are still in an era of accommodative easing. we have an easy—going monetary policy. that is really done by the us central bank. interest rates are really low, people have a lot of capital swooshing around. they need to invest it somewhere. that is why you are seeing some of these big highs. thank you very much indeed. the cartel of major oil producers, opec, has agreed to continue to extend production cuts until the end of next year. the deal was struck at a meeting in vienna, and pushed the price of oil slightly higher. the bbc‘s bethany bell was at the meeting and the news conference. it has been on the cards for a while now. there was the understanding here among the opec and the non—opec producers that they say their strategy to try to boost prices by cutting production has worked. they say that there is further work to be
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donein say that there is further work to be done in terms of rebalancing the market. that is why they have agreed to extend the cuts until the end of 2018. there is, of course, a little bit of nervousness. some people fear that by continuing to cut production they open the door to other producers, notably us shale producers. google is being sued in the uk, accused of collecting the personal data of millions of users, in the first mass legal action of its kind in britain. the action group — called google you owe us — claims google unlawfully took information from 5.4 million uk users by bypassing privacy settings on their iphones. we spoke to the head of the action group, richard lloyd. at the time, they said to everybody if you have an iphone don't worry, we cannot take your personal information when you use it, it's impossible, the default security settings will not allow us. apple confirmed that. at the same time, google were secretly placing cookies
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on iphones and taking personal data, regardless. this is the data protection act, companies can't take their personal data. in google's case, they can use it for enormous profit. they didn't have our consent, and bakes the city said at the time, don't worry, we're not doing this. that is why they were getting a record fine in the united states. we think this was a global problem and i was in contact with a lot of consumer organisations around the world, thinking that there may be millions of people in my country for whom google ripped off their data without consent. they need to be held to account in my country as well. i will see you in a hello. we are about to write another
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page in this winters tale of weather across the british isles. across the snow fields, temp just couldn't go down to about 0 degrees. if you are in one of the major towns and cities, you will be close to freezing anyway. for some, there is a decidedly wintry look about proceedings. through the evening and overnight, we will keep the wintry showers coming across eastern parts of the british isles, eastern scotland. out towards the west, certainly in the countryside, it will be a really chilly night. widespread frost. but the cloud and the breeze will just widespread frost. but the cloud and the breeze willjust generate the showers out to the east. there could bea showers out to the east. there could be a nice problem, more likely here than out towards the west, where it will be a decidedly frosty start. in the western isles, the signs of
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something slightly milder coming in from the atlantic. away from the eastern side of the british isles, i think northern ireland, the western side of scotland, central and western england, wales, a dry, fine, crisp start to the day. outdoors east, by this stage, just seeing the first signs of something, something a bit milder in the mix. many of the showers on friday, more likely at the lower levels to be watery, rather than wintry. the best or the sunshine is down the spine of the country, western areas. anywhere near some of the irish coasts, there is the chance of one two showers drifting down on a noticeable north north—easterly breeze. there you see the temperature is a little bit higher. as we get to the weekend, we have cut off the supply of north and north—easterly breeze is. we are beginning to see slightly milder air coming in from the atlantic. eventually it will submerge the
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greater part of the british isles. that will not mean we will see a lot of sunshine. yes, it will break at times to the eastern side of the pennines, the great bay of cloud. at least underneath the blanket of cloud, by day and night, the temperatures will be that little bit higher, especially so as we get to sunday. hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. theresa may isn't backing down after donald trump attacked. the issue is him sharing far—right videos. the president said, don't focus on me, focus on the uk's problems — to which the prime minister replied. i'm very clear that retweeting from britain first was the wrong thing to do. let's be clear — none of this normal between the leaders of the us and the uk — we'll be live in washington dc. multiple reports america's top diplomat rex tillerson is facing the sack, here's what the president
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had to say about it. he's here, rex tillerson is here. thank you very much everybody. don't hold your breath for a unified response to north korea. russia is accusing america of provoking kimjung un. and china is ignoring an america plan to cut of north korea's oil supplies. we're going to look in detail at one of those videos that donald trump retweeted — they were from a far right group in the uk which would like a ban on islam. this one claimed to show a muslim migrant beating up a dutch teenager on crutches. a disturbing attack, no doubt, but the truth is the perpetrator isn't a muslim migrant — he was born and raised in the netherlands. the video originally surfaced on a dutch video sharing site
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several months ago — and there was no reference to the attacker being a muslim ora migrant. so how did the video evolve like this? buzzfeed reporter talal ansari wrote this article on just that. he talked to me earlier. we tracked this video back around six months in may, the 12th of may, when it popped up on a dutch video website. on the website it did not mention anything about muslim or migrant. but it was a fight video that showed an assault from one person to another, and because of that posting, a 16—year—old teenager was arrested in the netherlands. according to a news article i found, that also doesn't mention the team isa migrant that also doesn't mention the team is a migrant and it doesn't mention his religion but we do know now because of the embassy in the
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netherlands tweeting to the us, that the kid was born and raised in the netherlands, so the migrant part was false and could have been established a day after the original video. that same day, in the afternoon, that the student was arrested, it is tweeted by a pro—trump twitter cat, one of those anonymous accounts “— pro—trump twitter cat, one of those anonymous accounts —— twitter account. in that video the subject line reads, migrant beats up helpless dutch boy on crutches, this is the first time the word migrant is the first time the word migrant is introduced to the video. it is then retweeted 5000 times, it makes an appearance under a thread about donald trump, a notorious thread. the following day, the 14th of may, a few days after it appeared on the
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dutch video website it shows up on an anti—muslim activist in the united states. this time the word muslim is inserted. so, we have now tracked how migrant is inserted and muslim is inserted. what brought it back into donald trump and many other people's attention? thanks to a fa ct other people's attention? thanks to a fact checking website, they pointed out that the video reappeared on the 28th of august on another video sharing website and here it is called refugee beats up dutch boy on crutches. we don't know how it goes from there, but from the 20th of august it is tweeted by jayda fransen 20th of august it is tweeted by jayda fra nsen on 20th of august it is tweeted by jayda fransen on the 3rd of october,
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and you are wondering why, and a p pa re ntly and you are wondering why, and apparently she tweeted this exact video with the exact headline on the 3rd of october. it was retweeted a few d oze n 3rd of october. it was retweeted a few dozen times, but she retweeted this video again in its original form on the 28th of november. under the headline muslim migrant beats up dutch boy on crutches which is identical to the version of the video from pamela. fascinating. all of which doesn't explain how mr trump came to retweet these videos. well, there's been speculation that ann coulter may have had something to do with it. she's a right—wing commentator and mr trump follows her on twitter. she too had retweeted the video. well she gave an interview to the bbc‘s today programme earlier. i think he has only given as good as he gets coming years been verbally attack from the mother country for a lot longer than he has been
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attacking britain, starting with the petition against him. we are talking about him tweeting the prime minister of the uk. answer the question. you answer the question. i have a little tip, you need to spend time on twitter and figure out that people read tweeting videos and they are not researching the biographies of people who are in the video, it is not a fake video. plenty more of that online if you would like it. no sign of unity on how to respond to north korea's missile test. the us wants to cut off diplomatic ties. this is what russia thinks of that. translation: we see this negatively, we think these imposed sanctions involve resume a —— resuming a political process. the americans are ignoring this process and that is a
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big mistake. in fact russia went further — it accuses the us of trying to provoke north korea. the americans also want china to cut off the flow of oil to north korea. as the us ambassador to the un put it: "the main driver of north korea's nuclear production is oil. the major supplier of that oil is china." from the president we had yet more clarity that he sees little benefit in diplomacy. saying "the chinese envoy, who just returned from north korea, seems to have had no impact on little rocket man." what we can be sure of is that the chinese aren't keen to talk about that issue of oil. translation: china has always stood for the implementation of the un resolutions and we will completely and carefully and strictly implement the resolution is concerning the dprk and fulfil our international obligations. while this has been playing out, the russia's prime minister has put
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this in context for us. "relations between the united states and russia are very bad. it's the worst over the entire period i have witnessed." many people have said they would rather keep north korea as a bargaining chip, in terms of how we can get concessions from the united states in the areas of the ukraine and things like that. you quoted the foreign minister of russia that they don't like the united states proposals and they want to maintain dialogue and they have always been for the dialogue. they see the actions of the united states as if they are consciously provoking north korea, but russia seems to uphold the sanctions which were approved by the sanctions which were approved by the un security council with russia, of course, this august and september. even this way, just a
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couple of days ago, a new draft presidential decree has been published where it is suggested russia bans the korean, the north korean exports imports into russia of textile and fish and these are the main north korean exports to russia, they make up more than half of their exports to russia, so they do uphold the sanctions at the same sign. the issue of trade. we should not overplay this, because this is relatively small. it is timely, peanuts. only $30 million in the second quarter of this year compared to $5 billion of north korean trade with china, so china is by far the most important trade partner for north korea and russia is not. russia does not care about the trade and the sanctions, it cares about the political aspect. if you want
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more on these stories, head to the bbc website. there is coverage of the north korea issue and many other issues. migraines affect one in seven people across the world, they can cause agonising symptoms for sufferers sometimes lasting several days. our health correspondent james gallagher has the story. actually, i can't bring you that. but you can see that online. the largest human rights trial in argentina's history has just finished. 48 former military personnel were sentenced to prison for crimes against humanity. the crimes took place at a notorious torture centre in buenos aires —
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move — it was known as the naval mechanical school — during 1976—83, when argentina was ruled by a militaryjunta. two of the people were sentenced to life. one was this man, jorge eduardo acosta, known as ‘the tiger‘ — — and the other was alfredo astiz, known as ‘the angel of death'. the latter was particularly defiant in court. he said, "the human rights organisations are groups of vengeance and persecution", "i will never ask for forgiveness". well these pictures show the families of those who disappeared during the period in question watching the trial. and here's what one woman who lost her son thought of the result. translation: we agree that these trials should move forward in spite of how this government wants to continue putting sticks in the spokes of the wheels ofjustice, but to hear life in prison for two of the pilots of the death flights creates a mix of emotions, i don't know if the word is happiness, but yes, we are celebrating that this is happening. an estimated 30,000 people
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were killed after a military junta led by this man — generaljorge rafael videla — seized power in 1976, vowing to rid the country of the threat of communism. this torture centre, the biggest in argentina. around 5000 prisoners are estimated to have been taken here. 90% did not come out alive. the death flights that were mentioned in that previous clip were just one of the methods people were killed by. this is a lawyer speaking about them. translation: the death flights were method of physically eliminating those who were held hostage, people knew about it at the time, at the time there but formal complaints about this method of extermination which was particular to argentinian state terrorism. it began by making people fall asleep through an injection at the torture centre's
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infirmary and people were brought onto helicopters and transferred via truck to a plane and the plane was then flown into the area of the river and there the hostages who had been designated to be eliminated we re been designated to be eliminated were thrown into the sea whilst they we re were thrown into the sea whilst they were asleep. we can speak to daniel pardo in argentina. one of those convicted has shown no remorse, did any others apologise st —— apologise? has shown no remorse, did any others apologise st -- apologise? no cover most of the military in the 70s and 80s believe they should have done what they did, to defend their country against the communist rule —— no, most of the military. this played out in the cold war and argentina was part of it, of course, many justify the crimes, argentina was part of it, of course, manyjustify the crimes, even though they accepted it. is this the end of they accepted it. is this the end of the matter or are there further
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trials? this is the biggest trial, the largest set of accused cases investigated but it is not the last one because this is still a wound which is opening argentina. the 400 people that are still missing and might be alive, and there are human rights organisations looking for them, so clearly this is something that needs a lot of investigation and work but this is a great move and work but this is a great move and this is something that shows what argentina has been able to do after the military rule. daniel, thanks forjoining us. another story daniel has been following closely, the missing submarine which has been missing now for the best part of two weeks. i'm afraid we have bad news. this has come out in the last few minutes, the argentine navy has given up attempts to rescue the crew of the submarine which disappeared
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two weeks ago, confirming 44 people we re two weeks ago, confirming 44 people were on board. it says there was a big operation in the south atlantic that they failed to locate the submarine and a spokesperson said there was no chance of finding anyone alive. the argentine navy giving up the search for its missing submarine. now its time for meet the author, withjim naughtie. fiona mozley‘s elmet is a story that you might describe as contemporary gothic, raw and dark and lyrical with a rich bit of melodrama, debut novel powerfully enough to take it to the man booker short list in the autumn, told by a 14—year—old, it sets the here and now against a brutal and more elemental past and explores a complex and ambiguous flesh ship between three members of afamily flesh ship between three members of a family who are all in their own
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