tv Dateline London BBC News September 29, 2018 4:30pm-5:00pm BST
hello, this is bbc news. the headlines... strong aftershocks have continued to hit the indonesian island of sulawesi, where an earthquake and tsunami killed at least 384 people. the business secretary warns that a no—deal brexit could jeopardise britain's status as a world leader in the car industry. a security breach in the conservative party conference app reveals contact details for senior mps and journalists. facebook resets the accounts of more than 50 million users after a major security breach. people with severe allergies have been told they can use their epipens past their normal expiry date, because of a continuing shortage. now on bbc news, it's time for dateline. hello, a warm welcome
to dateline london. i'm jane hill. it is party conference season here in britain. we're looking back at labour's week, and forward to the conservatives. we also turn our attention stateside to consider the ramifications of the bitter divisions exposed by the row about the president's nominee for the supreme court. with me is stephanie baker, senior writer at bloomberg markets, marc roche, correspondent for france's le point magazine, the british political commentator alex deane and the portuguese writer and academic eunice goes. so, jeremy corbyn told the labour faithful, meeting in liverpool, that he's ready to rebuild a divided country.
he promised to renationalise the railways and create 400,000 jobs in the green economy. delegates also voted to keep all options open when it comes to brexit. political watchers spoke of more confidence and positivity at conference, compared to the year before. will the mood be similar among conservatives, about to meet in birmingham? brexit is the inevitable backdrop, and the former foreign secretary borisjohnson has stuck his oar in again, right before curtain up. we might have nationalised railways. some of us are to old to remember them nationalised. i think renationalising, deep investment in public services, more power to the unions and so forth, investment, the problem is how do you finance it?
that is the weakness of the labour plan which on paper is really good for the future of this country but how do you finance it? if you stopped austerity you had to increase taxes. the poorer won't pay tax, the rich won't pay tax. british public opinion wants a cost. i think the plan is good but the financing is not there. he said he would also nationalise water and energy, the postal service, and this is a huge amount of money and not only all of those things,
they furthermore said they wanted to compel companies to give 10% of their value to their workers. companies over a certain size. if you're thinking about investing in a country and in the uk you are going to have to dilute the value of your business by 10% to give to those who work for the business over and above what you pay for them, you're going to invest in another country. even the threat of it makes international investment less likely. it would cripple british business. i do agree with alex on that. it has been thought of in a vacuum almost, that you could impose something like this on companies and companies wouldn't react in some way, they would not cut dividends. it is a back door tax on companies. if they want to give workers more
say over pay, for instance, there are other ways to do that. i think it would lead to companies rethinking their investment in the uk and perhaps thinking of delisting and going elsewhere. but there are increasing numbers of people who support jeremy corbyn who would say, why do we always start from the point of what businesses want? the point is let's talk about real people who are seeing wages stagnate, who haven't had an increase in real terms for a long time. the backdrop is, the companies who are going to be nationalised, these are companies which are inefficient and have been providing terrible services to customers for many years and so labour is targeting a popular need and dissatisfaction and the way people are being ripped
off with electricity, gas and water, so the idea that the private sector, it is also an idea that the british voters no longer buys and the whole question about taxing, there is a very strong argument to be made about how corporations do not pay sufficient tax or invest sufficiently in their companies. a lot of what is done in the british economy is done in science, innovation and so on, it is done by the state so it is about time there is a payback and another thing that is important to remember, in the 1990s, 1987, labour introduced a windfall tax to fund welfare reform and then those ideas were not unpopular, they were extremely popular and effective. we were talking about the plan
to compel businesses and your response was to talk about nationalisation plans. i did not defend them, i put them in perspective. we were talking about something else. what do you think about the idea of compelling businesses to give value to the workforce? the rest of us agree that will make businesses not want to be in the uk. i think we need to see the proposals, they are not sufficiently detailed. there are four years until the next election. the cost of nationalising those companies by the labour plans, is that the best way to spend money? it's not about whether the state is spending more but is that really the best way to spend money? wouldn't it be better off invested in infrastructure spending? we already invest in infrastructure, that is owned by the private sector.
the amount of money the british taxpayer has given to private utilities for the private rail operators and so on so it is a good time to call the bluff. we could spend the whole programme discussing that. i want to look ahead to the conservatives who are about to meet in birmingham. how do you view the week ahead? we've had a huge intervention from the foreign secretary. how do you view the prospects for the coming week? from my point of view, theresa may is in a strong position because she is the only one who can deliver an agreement on brexit, a soft brexit and an agreement with the european union. she has this marvellous argument, it's me orjeremy corbyn
because all the other candidates are possible candidates to the leadership are either untried or borisjohnson and for someone who is very attached to the defence of morality, how can you have a serial adulterer as prime minister? ijust don't get it. i think she's stuck between a rock and a hard place. i think she is boxed in between pro—brexit tories who do not want chequers and the ones who do not want canada plus, so i do not know how she gets herself out of that in what many think is a giant fudge on a blind brexit where she comes up
with a vaguely worded political statement that anyone can spin as they want, but i think there is no parliamentary majority for either. it would be hard for her to even get a fudge through because it is attached to this high—priced divorce bill of £39 billion, is that all we're getting in exchange? there's no other choice for britain. europe is holding the cards and it is all the arrogance and delusion of grandeur. britain wants to leave, britain is unprepared, britain is divided and europe is united. will emmanuel macron relent on blind brexit? her only way out is to be stopped by emmanuel macron. she has a deal in her pocket which she might bring. only one of us has a book out
about how brexit is a success. you cannot get half pregnant, you are a brexiteer. no, i am a remainer who thinks brexit will happen. there was a lot of action on the fringes but the centre was a kind of stage on which things were played out. in labour, the hall was where things happened. labour policy arguments. now there is much pressure on theresa may for this speech to go right. every single conference for theresa may is the most important one but this is crunch time for her, whereas in labour, the big battle was between basically the unions on one hand and momentum on the other for controlling the hall.
there was a sea of palestinian flags and the hall was united. but what does theresa may have to do in her speech now? what is she going to say? i think there's a huge amount of goodwill for theresa may in the tory party. she needs the stage not to collapse. we're going to have something like the chequers agreement and the party will not be surprised by her saying that because she has really stuck to her guns. i think the country will look back and say, that woman is resilient. thank goodness in retrospect she wasn't on either side of the brexit debate because she is probably the only one of the cabinet who could have taken that position. she has pressures on both wings but any other person would have had one of those wings
overbalancing them. she has pulled it off. pulled what off? what are we getting towards? i think most likely we will leave in march on something akin to the chequers agreement but my point is that for brexiteers like me the most important thing is getting out. there is a movement in this country to have a second vote and delay our exit and that is the biggest threat to brexit, not whether we have canada plus or a norway model on a hard brexit. the biggest danger for people in my position is get stymied. we have less than six months to go and it is a danger. what's wrong with the second vote? i think she is quite isolated. she is in a very weak position but strangely enough, she has
installed an incredible resilience. she has stood her ground and she has the support of voters, they cannot see anyone else negotiating brexit in better terms than the one she will negotiate. no one knows what those terms will be, it will be a fudge, the european union is terribly good at producing fudges and that is the sort of fudge that will lead us through to brexit. britain will have to decide what kind of relationship it wants with the european union. we have been discussing brexit since 2010, since david cameron was prime minister. this has dominated so many european summits, it has to stop. britain has to choose what kind of relationship. the europeans also have other problems than brexit like immigration and reform so to be
fair the brexit agreement will be quite easy because the europeans don't want to have that as another problem. the conservative party conference is this week which means we can all take stock again next week. political divisions have been laid bare on capitol hill over the last few days and been watched by millions of americans on tv as the process began to question president trump's nominee to be the nextjustice of the supreme court. there were powerful and emotional scenes as the senatejudiciary committee heard from christine blasey ford, a university professor who's one of three women who've accused brett kavanaugh of sexual assault. the nominee himself was often aggressive and angry in his questioning that followed. the division between republicans and democrats in response to the testimonies could not have been starker. stephanie. it looks like there is a one—week delay for an fbi investigation, whatever that throws up.
it seems the last few days on capitol hill were really unedifying. it was emotional and it is difficult to predict how this will play out. one week for an fbi investigation is not a lot of time to get to the bottom of what happened 36 years ago so it is unrealistic to think that they will come up with something that will change the outcome. the issue is if someone else comes forward in the meantime that gives more credibility to what is a credible testimony by christine blasey ford, and that makes it harder for some of the moderate republican senators, of alaska and maine, the other huge amount of pressure to get this right and you will see
from the polls that have come out more recently that republican women are dropping in support for brett kavanagh dramatically. it dropped about 18 percentage points. is your point that lawmakers are following those polls and if that having any resonance with them ? they're worried about how this will play out in the midterms. they don't want republican women to sit at home because they are disgusted with what happened and for many women who watched christine blasey ford's testimony, it rang true and sounded right now one could imagine why a woman would come forward with a like this, she has no motivation, it has come at a tremendous personal cost, she is dead certain it was him. he has came back with a counter testimony that he was understandably angry but he was unhinged
and uncontrolled and many people are now saying that it was an unbecoming demeanour for a supreme court justice and because he was evasive and kicked back questions, especially a question to a female senator, do you have a drinking problem? he looked like a petulant teenager rather than is looking forjustice. he has gone through many fbi investigations in the past. does anyone think in terms of this nomination, someone is innocent until proven guilty, whatever the charge? i do, i'm not surprised by the way this discussion has gone because you need a presumption of innocence. i don't think you can get to the bottom of this in a week. i think the fact he resisted an fbi investigation, eight times he was offered,
why not get the fbi to investigate? why does he not want to clear his name if it is nothing to hide? that is proper due process. why is he worried about it? that's remarkable to say it is proper due process because as i understand it, the democrats sat on it since august. she wanted to have a private hearing. she did not want to have dianne feinstein‘s letter released. we do not know who leaked it but dianne feinstein has denied that her office was involved in the leak at all. at the end of the day you cannot have a supreme courtjudge with a rape allegation.
they have to be above suspicion. this is the supreme court so he has to withdraw. what i find extraordinary is that we are shifting the discussion from a traumatic experience of a woman and we are questioning the veracity, either her memory was failing or she had an ulterior motive. he has a presumption of innocence. the attack dogs that were launched on christine blasey ford were undignified. this was an image out of gilead and we are in 2018. when you say you believe in the presumption of innocence but, what you're saying is you don't believe in it. why is she not given that trust?
she's not being accused of anything. she is, she's being accused of lying. there's no way we're going to get to the bottom of that unless proper time is given to investigate the allegations. if he wants to clear his name and is and with this hanging over him, why not go through a proper investigation? i interviewed a republican on friday who said, he could have had a long stay, not just the one week we're looking at right now. the best thing to do for the due process was to have a very, very long stay, there's no harm done, you don't have to have this newjustice in place immediately, then it totally clears the air. they still have time to get another justice through before january, there is no need to rush this. we can't have someone
accused of being a rapist in the supreme court. this is precisely what happened with clarence thomas and he has been a finejustice. that's questionable. lets talk more broadly about the supreme court and why so many people have been watching and why this is so significant because the point is it is a presidential nominee, that's how the system works, but talk us through the balance of the supreme court and why this is so gripping people in the united states because it is an appointment for life and this is about where did the supreme court go? well, it is brett kavanagh or somebody else. it a big battle because brett kava naugh would replace justice kennedy who for decades was the swing vote on the court and kept the court more or less balanced between conservative and liberal through a number of decisions. if brett kavanaugh is confirmed,
he would solidify a conservative majority for decades to come and that means issues that would come before the courts such as the rights of labour unions, gun rights, and importantly the state's ability to restrict abortion would come before the court and he would be the crucial vote on those issues. we have already seen with the confirmation of the last pick for the supreme court, he was the decision in important decisions lately narrates, and this is the first time in years were going to have a solid conservative majority on the supreme court that could change laws for decades to come. but in the end, the position might be, let's get anotherjustice. how can we expect anything other if these tricks work that there may
be allegations against the next nominee until we get to someone? there was none of this with neil. there is no evidence that christine blasey ford was part of any democratic conspiracy and i think the real problem with brett kavanaugh now is that in his testimony on thursday, he ripped into the democratic party saying it was a hitjob so if he is confirmed, he now has shown a partisanship which is unbecoming for supreme courtjustice and questions his impartiality. what did you think as a non american? i think america at the moment is so divided between conservative and liberal but i agree completely with stephanie.
in france you don't have... it is so terrifying to have someone who has a suspicion, whether he did it or not, a suspicion of rape on his head. stephanie said we can have another conservative. what could he have done or said that would have satisfied you once the allegation is made? is itjust the case that once this allegation is made, it must be believed? i want, he should say, the fbi to look at this because he should say that because he wants to prove his innocence.
why is he so resistant? eunice, a final thought from you about the role of the supreme court. it is an extremely important position for a long time and to a certain extent, it is a barometer of morality in the united states, it's a very long period of time and to have a supreme courtjustice that has this cloud hanging over him and a demeanour which frankly demeans the office that he is about to represent doesn't look good. i am not a candidate to the supreme courtjustice of the united states, this is the point. this debate will probably continue around this table but i'm afraid our time is up this week. plenty more to discuss at the same time next week. join us then if you can. bye— bye.
hello. it is a fine end to the afternoon across much of england and wales. plenty of late september sunshine. this is the thing in norwich earlier this afternoon. slightly different story further north and west. the four north—west of england and northern ireland and scotland. stronger winds and blustery showers. all connected to the system which will continue to slowly slide south and east through this evening and overnight. it will end the day still with some fairly strong winds particularly across northern and western scotland. these are the average speeds but the ghosts of the western isles and the
highlands could be 45 or 55 miles per hour. temperatures not much higher than 12 or 13 but further south ending the day between 16 and 18. this evening and overnight outbreaks of rain continued to work south and east much weaker and patchy. behind it clearer skies. blustery showers with the far north of scotland. ahead of that under clear skies across southern counties of england and wales temperatures could get down to two or three celsius in more rural spots. five and nine for most. 0n celsius in more rural spots. five and nine for most. on sunday still following this front continuing to work its way south and east. it runs into an area of high pressure so the rain tends to fizzle out and cloud will then. a cold front behind that with colder air behind. cooler across with colder air behind. cooler a cross m ost with colder air behind. cooler across most of the uk tomorrow. sunday morning starts with a fair amount of cloud stretching from northern england and north wales and
the midlands. a cloudy day across england and wales. aside from the odd spot of rain mainly dry. sunshine land in scotland but further heavy blustery showers pushing across on strong winds. temperatures tomorrow between ten and 15. a few degrees lower than today. on monday this area of high pressure is building from the west. more of a northerly wind. chilly start to the day on monday under clear skies. much of the uk mainly dry. sunshine. a few showers from western and eastern coast. later in the day the cloud starts together across north—west scotland with further outbreaks of rain and strengthening wind. a cool day on monday. highs between ten and 15. this is bbc news.
the headlines at 5pm: rescuers in indonesia say hundreds of people have been killed in the tsunami that struck the island of sulawesi. translation: as for the damage of the tsunami, we received a number of reports that many bodies were found along the shoreline. but the numbers are still unknown. theresa may arrives at the conservative party conference after a breach in security of the party app revealed contact details for senior mps and journalists. a warning from the business secretary that a no—deal brexit could jeopardise britain's status as a world leader in the car industry. also coming up — facebook says up to 50 million may have been hacked. the company said attackers were able to exploit a vulnerability of people's accounts.