tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News December 11, 2018 10:00am-11:01am GMT
hello, it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. now what? theresa may looks to europe to throw her a lifeline over her brexit deal — right now she's doing a whistlestop tour of european leaders. but the eu says it will not renegotiate. so what's the point? politicians and voters tell us what they think. and do let us know what you want to happen next. also, lora was just 2a when, on a night out with a friend, she had a cardiac arrest. when she turned around to check on mei when she turned around to check on me i was on the floor. she walked over to me and my lips had gone blue and my heart had stopped. this programme has been told that there could be more that 80,000 young people living with undiagnosed heart conditions in the uk. we bring you a special report. and the church of england is set to announce new guidelines on how trans people should be treated, including addressing them by their chosen name. but does this put them on a collision course
with conservative christians? hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. obviously we want your reaction to the brexit vote delay. what do you want to happen next? plenty of you have already been in touch on twitter. david booth says: "forget the whole sorry mess, withdraw article 50 and get on with sorting out the eu to make it more people friendly." neil dance says: "the narrative needs to turn to the leave campaign. they promised the unachievable, didn't consider the implementation, were over optimistic and failed to consider key issues. we cannot have what they promised." and john wratten says: "i want the pm to resign. i want a second ref. i want to remain.
i want a labour government." if you want to get in touch, then please do. by the way we are in the top ten of most tweeted about bbc shows of 2018. here's joanna gosling with a summary of the day's news. good morning. theresa may has begun a whistlestop tour of the eu in a bid to rescue her brexit deal. she'll meet the german chancellor angela merkel and has held a breakfast meeting with the dutch prime minister mark rutte, as she seeks new reassurances from the eu about the northern ireland backstop, the single biggest issue threatening the deal. but in the last hour, the president of the european commission, jean—claude juncker said there is "no room whatsoever for renegotiation". the deal we have achieved is the best deal possible. it's the only deal possible. applause. there is no reason whatsoever for renegotiation.
but of course there is room, if used intelligently, there is room enough to give further clarification and further interpretations without opening the withdrawal agreement. this will not happen. everyone has to know the withdrawal agreement will not be renegotiated. emmanuel macron has delivered the most challenging address of his time in office. in a nationwide broadcast, the french president sought to bring an end to a month of violent demonstrations, sparked by his planned reforms in the middle of a tough economic climate. he said the minimum wage would rise by 100 euros a month, and he'd scrap part of a tax increase on pensioners. some of the so—called yellow vest protesters still denounced his latest proposals. but he did accept much of the blame for recent tensions, saying he had failed to make himself understood. the father of murdered backpacker grace millane has visited the place where her body was found, on the outskirts of auckland. david millane took part
in a traditional maori blessing ceremony alongside grace's uncle and members of the new zealand police force. a 26—year—old man has been charged with her murder. the actress sarah hyland has spoken out about the trauma of undergoing two kidney transplants, and how the procedure left her "contemplating suicide". the 28—year—old, who stars in the popular sitcom modern family, opened up about her kidney dysplasia in an interview with self magazine. she said her body rejected a kidney donated by her father when she was 21, but luckily her brother was a match. scientists are warning that newly discovered melting glaciers in east antarctica could cause significant sea—level rises around the globe. the region has long been considered stable and unaffected by some of the more dramatic changes occurring elsewhere on the continent. but images from nasa show that ice streams running into the ocean along the eastern coastline have sped up, puzzles such as sodoku and crosswords do not protect
against mental decline, that's according to research from the university of aberdeen. around 500 volunteers had their cognitive abilities monitored against the time spent on brain training quizzes. however, the alzheimers society maintains that the games can still reduce the risk of developing dementia later in life. that is the news summary. back to victoria. thank you, joanna. later we will talk more about sarah hyland. joyner mentioned her in the news. the star of modern family talking about having two kidney transplants. she said the first one, given to her by her dad, failed. she felt like she had let him down. also, we are hearing about the church of england's guidelines on welcoming transgender church of england's guidelines on welcoming tra nsgender people church of england's guidelines on welcoming transgender people into the church. good morning. welcome to the programme. i don't
know what we're going to start talking about today! theresa may has called off the vote on her brexit deal. she has asked for changes. mps m ps rea cted mps reacted with fury to the announcement. mps reacted furiously to the announcement, with labour leaderjeremy corbyn saying she had "lost control of eve nts". to make things even harder for the pm, the european council president donald tusk says the other eu countries will not renegotiate her deal, including the controversial northern irish backstop. let's talk to some voters and some politicians. eleanor durdy voted remain in 2016, but now wants the uk to leave the european union. she supports mrs may's deal. bindi karia voted remain and wants a referedum on the deal mrs may has negotiated. hani mustafa is a conservative activist who was too young to vote in the eu referendum, but would have chosen to leave.
he would rather a no deal than what theresa may is offering. russell luckock voted to leave. he says theresa may is not going to be able to deliver the type of brexit that people voted for. abby king, who is a remainer, a labour volunteer, and her biggest concern about brexit is the end of free movement. i'm going to ask you all, what do you think? i think it is absolutely chaos. the scenes at westminster yesterday were completely unprecedented. i have never seen anything like it. i cannot believe we have a ladder to get this far. theresa may does not have control of cabinet, let alone pro—government, let alone the country. you can't believe what you are seeing on the news. even overnight things have changed. it's hard for somebody to keep up. i don't know how you mps do it! a shambles from beginning to end. i
have looked at the political scene for more than 60 years. i have never seen anything like this. sheer indecision, turkey is wandering around wondering what is in store for them just before christmas. around wondering what is in store for them just before christmaslj personally for them just before christmas.” personally think the sheer contempt the politicians have shown for those of us who want to leave the eu has been completely disgraceful. which politicians? mps calling for a second referendum, people branding leave voters as racist or stupid. i could find it completely awful. the events of the last 24—hours? could find it completely awful. the events of the last zit-hours? sadly, i don't agree with the prime minister's deal. in that respect she should resign, quite frankly. she hasn't been able to deliver what the british people wanted. it is disappointing, to be honest. the referendum happened. as a remainer it was disappointing when
we voted to leave. i have come to acce pt we voted to leave. i have come to accept that, as many people have. this deed has been put on the table and now it's not even happening. she has said, it ideal or no deal. at the last minute she has said, i might change it because might lose. if we went through life like that, what would life be like? it isjust really disappointing that we seem to have a step forward and then run backwards. bindi? it is chaos, it is a complete lack of decision making from all of our fellow mps. sorry to all of you here. some of them didn't have a chance to make a decision on the deal because the vote was pulled. i think we need some action and focus from everybody. we all need to carry on and get business done. as someone who works in the tech industry, we want to get things done. we are going to hear from
politicians and from a spanish journalist and a german journalist to see what they think, if anything. by to see what they think, if anything. by the way, this is andrew bridgen, conservative mp. sorry for arriving late. you are definitely not a fan of mrs may. we will talk to you in a moment. i think the question is, what can mrs may do now? what could the timetable be? how have we got here? here is a quick summary from jim reid. so the brexit deal will not now be voted on in the house of commons as planned. as things stand, we are still meant to be leaving the eu on march 29. nobody is sure what happens next. here though, some possibilities. the prime minister will now visit other eu leaders tasked with changes to her deal, and in particular arrangements for
northern ireland. eu officials have said there is no room for big concessions. based on that visit, there should be another vote in parliament, perhaps next week, more likely next year. if the new deal passes, we almost certainly leave the eu in march and move straight into a 21 month transition period. if there is no agreement by march 29, then we could, in theory, leave with no guilt whatsoever. that would mean all eu rules no longer apply and we use wider international law instead. many companies and economists are very worried about the impact on trade and investment. some think another form of deal could emerge. 0ne some think another form of deal could emerge. one option would see as leaving the eu but staying in the group with norway, iceland and liechtenstein. it would give us access to the single market but may also mean we have to accept other eu rules, like the free movement of people into the country. if none of
these options and win the backing of enough mps, then something —— some think the prime minister may have to resign but that is far from certain. that would mean tory party members get to pick a new party leader and a new leader of the country. with no agreement, labour says its preferred option would be a general election. it's not easy to see how that could happen as we now have fixed—term parliaments act in this country. then there is that last possibility, another referendum, perhaps with another referendum, perhaps with another range of options. something the snp and the liberal democrats support, as do some mps from the two main parties. but any second vote would need new legislation and take time. that would likely take us past the deadline on march 29. there you go. also with us this morning, paul scully, conservative mp. he backs the deal and is vice chair of the conservative party for
the london region. jenny chapman is the labour mp for darlington and the shadow? brexit?minister. liberal democrat mp for oxford west and abingdon, layla moran. the lib dems want a referendum on the deal, as do the snp. joanna cherry is the snp mp for edinburgh south west. and finally, andrew bridgen is a conservative mp and member of the brexit supporting european research group. he wrote his letter to trigger a no—confidence vote in his boss. when was that? it was the 10th ofjuly after the deeply flawed chequers proposals came forward. we are where we are today because the prime minister did not listen to my concerns and many in the conservative party. you still can't get rid of her, can you? we are still trying. there is time yet. christmas is coming. we also have have two european journalists here — stefanie bolzen is the uk correspondent for german newspaper die welt. and rafa de miguel is
the uk correspondent for spanish newspaper el pais. we look forward to hearing what europe's thinks of what is going on. paul scully, how much of a mess is this? it was always going to be choppy to get the numbers. frankly, there have been mistakes over the la st there have been mistakes over the last couple of years in terms of the sequencing, in terms of the way that the negotiations have panned out. sequencing, in terms of the way that the negotiations have panned outm a small mess, a medium—sized mass or a small mess, a medium—sized mass or a massive mess? the fact is we got hong up on the iris backstop a year ago. people want to get on, they wa nt ago. people want to get on, they want to leave the eu. —— hong up on the iris backstop. the prime minister needs to go back to brussels and get as much reassurance , brussels and get as much reassurance, whether it is an addendum to the withdrawal agreement, a change to the political... whether it be a political... whether it be a political declaration. she needs something that will explain to people here why the eu do not want
this backstop to last any length of time themselves. that is not coming across. what chance of european leaders agreeing to this addendum? something that says the british parliament can have a veto going into the backstop, or they can vote about it every year. what do you think? the chances are not very high. people i talked to in brussels and berlin in recent days want to be helpful because they obviously know this is a very serious situation also for europe. but they will not do anything legally binding. they have done that and the withdrawal deal. it took a year and a half to negotiate. they will not open it again. crewe i totally agree. the spanish government, for instance, has said it will have a very constructive attitude towards mrs may's requirements but nothing legally binding. it took a long time to reach the deal. now she wants the
european commission to clarify some of the terms, that should be ok. but no text should be changed. she can't get those extra assurances, we need to start not just contingency planning, but the bilateral agreement, we need to open a discussion properly. the choice is not between deal or no deal. there isa not between deal or no deal. there is a third way. that is what —— why i went to the european court of justice for them to clarify that it is open to the united kingdom to unilaterally revoke the article 50 notice and stay in our terms and conditions. that is why support a second referendum. the promises that we re second referendum. the promises that were made to people to an a half years ago, people who voted league—macro, promised to save all that money for the nhs, the easiest deal in the world, prosperity would be increased, all of those promises have proved to be undeliverable and we know the opposite, we will not get easy trade deals. 0ur prosperity
will be decreased. circumstances have changed. even the evidence from your own government, who you are not too keen on at the moment, all the independent evidence from your own government and the scottish government, shows that under theresa may's dealjobs and living standards would be hit. do the great british public really care who is prime minister at the moment? please, please sort this brexit farce out now, otherwise we will quickly slide down that list of the world's richest nations. brian says there was clear detail of what leaving the eu would mean. politicians wanting to stay tied to the eu are not accepting the people's vote. what is the point in voting ever again? fiona says, what is the real fear of a final people's vote? the outcome, whatever it is, will be accepted by eve ryo ne whatever it is, will be accepted by everyone simply because it will have been reached in the full light of
reality and not because of an ideology. well said. jenny chapman, i want to ask you, why, whenjeremy corbyn says the government has lost control and called them a shambles yesterday, why you are not now calling for a motion of no—confidence this british government? it is in the post. it will come. we will pick the time. when we think it is partly right to do this. now is not the perfect time? let's judge it do this. now is not the perfect time? let'sjudge it day by day. andrew, i don't know if you would vote with us on this. certainly not. there is little point doing this at a point when we are certain to lose it. you are delaying it because you know you are going to lose, just like the prime minister? the ball is in the court of the prime minister today. she is saying she can get an amendment to this deal. we very much doubt that. but we do still believe
at this late stage there is a deal that could be done that parliament could support. how can you say that? jean—claude juncker has made clear there will be no further negotiation. i understand labour need to think about the timing and we will talk to you about timing and support you in a motion of no confidence. your leader is calling for it now? yes, our parliamentary leader was meeting with jeremy corbyn last night to discuss this. this is a time for cross—party working. but there has to be a reality check. there is no better deal available. europe has been crystal clear. andrew, with respect, your friends such as boris johnson and david davis have both been in positions of power for the last two years and failed to deliver a better deal. one is the timing of the confidence vote, which some people think strategically is better to do today, others think it is better to consider that a little bit further and pick the right moment to do it.
it is not about us. it is not about what makes us feel good in parliament. it is about the people of this country you want to see us taking considered, sensible decisions. whether or not another deal can be done, i appreciate the remarks of donald tusk and other leaders in saying another deal is impossible. 0f leaders in saying another deal is impossible. of course they are saying that. they have spent a lot of time getting this deal to where it is. but they have also said that if the prime minister's red lines we re if the prime minister's red lines were to change, another deal, it is worth negotiating further. if she was to go to brussels and say, we would like a prominent customs union, that would change the negotiating starting point and take you a different direction also how cross the lib dems with the fact that labour are not tabling this motion? all of us wants to work with labour. it was made clear by the speaker yesterday that it needs to be labour who calls this vote of no confidence. we have been upfront. this is a mess. do we have
confidence in our government? no, resoundingly. the faster we get to the point where that is made clear by both parliament, on behalf of the country, the further we can get. will she be able to negotiate something else? i am hearing different words. from the government we are hearing there is going to be a renegotiation from the eu. its reassurances. that is rather very different. it suggests the withdrawal agreement itself will not be touched. i predict we will get some flesh on the political declaration. i predict maybe even a clarification about some of the articles about —— in the withdrawal agreement. i don't think it will be substantive enough. at that they'd like to point it is that deal or what? at which point i think it needs to go back to the people. —— at that point it is what? when you hear opposition politicians talking in these terms, potential
motions of no confidence in the government but looking at the timing because they want to win that rather than lose it, what you think? i thinkjenny is absolutely right. we have to be careful about the timing. iam we have to be careful about the timing. i am a labour member and i support our party's position. i support our party's position. i support the snp and lib dems here. it is time for a motion of no confidence but we have to be careful about the timing. we need to take some action. we as a nation should now advise europe that we are going tojoin wto rules now advise europe that we are going to join wto rules and start now advise europe that we are going tojoin wto rules and start on now advise europe that we are going to join wto rules and start on march 30. that would be no deal effectively living with their tariffs? no deal. but you run a business. what would that do to your business? at the present moment the stock market is plunging, the pound is plunging, the 250 is plunging.
there will be problems but we will ove rco m e there will be problems but we will overcome them. what business do you run? we make bus and coach driver seats. what we are hearing from forecast after forecast, the bulk of the research out there suggests that this is just the the research out there suggests that this isjust the beginning in the contraction of the economy. whilst this deal would be bad, no deal would be £100 billion less a year in the economy. our total trade with european union comes to 9.7% of our economy. its £274 billion. we have seen economy. its £274 billion. we have seen forecast saying we're going to lose 10% of our economy. that is more than the total trade we do with the european union. somebody is going to say, we are going to lose all that trade and it will not be replaced. it is ridiculous. absolutely ridiculous. on the point
ofa absolutely ridiculous. on the point of a second referendum, what does that say about our democracy? when i campaigned for a leave that was the first time i got involved in politics. it was something i was passionate about, something i could get behind. people wanted to campaignfor get behind. people wanted to campaign for brexit because most importantly we believe in our country. we passionately believe that our best days lie ahead and we can thrive and we, as british people, are in charge of our own destiny. it is so disheartening to hear politicians constantly, time and time again, talk our country down. people who say, you didn't know what you were voting for, your thick. you are a racist. eleanor, when you hear politicians talking about motions of no confidence, what are you thinking?” think it is really unfortunate. throwing around all these big numbers, losing 10% of a college, to you it is only 10%. to us it makes
all the difference. we have got sheds full of corn that we are having to sit on because the price has plummeted. the price of our machinery keeps increasing. yet the price of our actual produce is going nowhere. it is decreasing. you throw around these big numbers but you don't realise how they are affecting normal people. huge uncertainty, is what you are saying. huge uncertainty. the deal presented at the minute i am for, for the agricultural sector, purely because we will be taken out of the agricultural policy. for us, it would be a lot better. but it is just being overshadowed all the time by, we need another vote. we have had a vote. when you hear people like andrew bridgen talking about the world trade organisation, where the world trade organisation, where the average tariff is pretty low, 2.6% for cars and car parts it goes
up 2.6% for cars and car parts it goes up to 10%. dairy products it can be around 36%. up to 10%. dairy products it can be around 3696. can you imagine being a dairy farmer? i have got dairy farmers in my constituency, of course i have. most of the dairy products are imported into our country, not exported. it would be a benefit for our dairy farmers. but you have to be honest about that, don't you? 3696. under the wto we could enter into a free—trade agreement talks with european union and we can have ten years with tariff free trade, while the negotiate that deal. nothing would change. the problem with what andrew is saying is that earlier this year the conservative government carried out impact assessments of living under different terms and conditions, leaving tojoin under
wto rules. the worst result in terms of impact on the economy was leaving under wto rules. you can throw out these facts and figures, but the research, the bulk of the research shows that what you were proposing would be deeply damaging to the economy of these islands. that's enough now. hang on. i want to bring people back to now. and how realistic it is that mrs may can get some changes and then, if she does, whether that deal would get through. andrew bridgen, briefly, what would it take for you to vote for mrs may's deal? a wholesale renegotiation of the withdrawal agreement. i don't think she will get that. it is all about the dreaded backstop, which is an anathema. it is notjust about that. if lancaster house we were told we we re if lancaster house we were told we were going to pay £39 million of our tax money for a future relationship. under the deal we have now we are
paying £49 billion. we have no legal obligations. this isjust nonsense. the backstop is an international obligation. paying money is an international obligation. the united kingdom cannot walk away from its international obligations.” kingdom cannot walk away from its international obligations. i want to ask you, paul scully, a conservative mp still backing his boss, about how realistic, or whether it is fantasy world, that she is going to come back with something substantive enough to get this deal over the line? we are getting hongbo paul money. the irish backstop. your right to focus on where we are now. i think she can do stuff not to satisfy someone like andrew, who as he rightly says, once a wholesale
renegotiation. but there are plenty of people who want to get onto the next stage. we only halfway through the process. sorry if you're bored of brexit. we're only halfway through. this is about getting us out. we then have to go to the next stage of future negotiation. if we can negotiate in a different way, different style, that is what can make an imperfect deal into a really good one. it's no accident you've got two tory mps here. you talk about cross— party working. got two tory mps here. you talk about cross—party working. the labour partyjust about cross—party working. the labour party just want about cross—party working. the labour partyjust want a general election. the lib dems and the snp just want to wait up and pretend this had never happened.” just want to wait up and pretend this had never happened. i want to correct you there... when you talk about people's the end of every tweet, it is pretty clear. —— people's vote at the end of every tweet. it is up to the conservative party how we live. andrew and i disagree. we disagree on how we leave. you can hear how these politicians
are arguing and squabbling. business requires something to happen now, and what needs to happen now is for the government to take a fundamental decision and sake to europe, we are joining wto, on march 30 we will be trading with their roots. let me ask rafa and stefanie, you can't get into the heads of the eu leaders necessarily but you are more expert than we are, if mrs may said that and with conviction, would it have any effect? no, it will not. it will. it won't. ifi may say, with all my respect, i think it is irresponsible the unicorn is you are sending to the public again and again. the eu has to come up with the deal you want, britain has decided to leave and britain has to
of the europe something. we're offering you £39 billion, which we do not legally owe you. imagine you don't pay that and want to negotiate a free trade deal, that is not a good starting point? the eu can borrow money to bailout greece, portugal, spain, wherever. you can't borrow money for national budgets, so if we don't pay over, which is a good leveraged for us, they will wa nt to good leveraged for us, they will want to come to the table because they will have to reduce tier increase payments by other nations all -- increase payments by other nations all —— they will have to increase payments by other nations or reduce their projects. we buy twice as much from you as we sell from you.“ this was so easy, why wasn't david davis borisjohnson this was so easy, why wasn't david davis boris johnson able to achieve this? why haven't members of the cabinet as was, passionate brexiteers like you, been able to achieve it? because it is not that easy. you will not answer honestly,
so easy. you will not answer honestly, sol easy. you will not answer honestly, so i will. brexit secretary has been bypassed by the prime minister. this text says not one politician has the will to leave the eu, they have spent the last two and half years trying to find a way to keep this in. it is not complicated, leave means leave, the people have voted, a clean break from the means leave, the people have voted, a clean breakfrom the eu. steve says it is very apparent mrs may does not want us to leave the eu so this is her way to get the country to have another referendum, knowing full well that some leek voters will votes remain, that way we get billions of euros to bailout the uk. another person says do the leavers still believe all the promises made by that campaign are viable? another person says do you think the protests and france are bad? jussie what will happen if this is stopped. the archbishop of york said he thought there would be civil u nrest said he thought there would be civil unrest if there was a second vote.
it is important for politicians to realise that once you get out of your london bubble, i live in peterborough, 64% of people in my city voted to leave, people are livid. they gave you a simple instruction on june 23, livid. they gave you a simple instruction onjune 23, 2016 to leave the european union, that is what must happen. no it is, no buts. we need to leave now, because your constituents, next time you come back at an election, wherever that may be, they will vote you out. all talk at once i live outside the london bubble as well. all talk at once i represent a massive conservative majority in my seat, because my seats does not want the hard brexit that theresa may was offering up the last election. they know how bad it will be for the
science sector, the university sector, there are two science in university minister is campaigning for a people's vote, they know how terrible it will be for my constituents. if i could get a wedding, my constituents voted leave, i do not live in a remain bubble, i have family members and very close friends, i went with them to the polling station, they voted leave, i voted to the polling station, they voted leave, ivoted remain, nobody can tell me i live in a remain bubble, but as the representative of 75,000 people, i will not take decisions or just go along with andrew bridgen's version brexit to make myself popular with a few people in my constituency, because as you rightly pointed out, people who voted leave are thinking, engaged with this, critically assessing what is happening, they are not going along with this. they want to know they will get a good deal and the kind of brexit they were promised, meaning a close trading relationship, we stay
collaborating with europe... jenny chapman, sorry to interrupt, you had to be honest. what labour is advocating is what we have now, a single market and a customs union, not the customs union, as if it would be that different. so how is that brexit? we want to be on a permanent customs union... all talk at once for some people, it is true, they would consider about too close to the european union. my response is to say that that is the kind of brexit that supports the manufacturing industry in the north—east and preserves jobs. manufacturing industry in the north—east and preservesjobs. i acce pt north—east and preservesjobs. i accept it is not everybody's definition of brexit. you are right to point out it would preserve manufacturing jobs, you say, but at the same time you must point out it would not end free movement and we would not end free movement and we would have to continue paying annually into the eu budget every
year. the customs union is completely separate to obligations on freedom of movement. but you want the benefits of the single market, which means being in the single market? we need to negotiate with the eu and agreement to allow is plus the —— al al is possible to asian —— allow as participation. we would not propose this if we did not think it was possible. i accept we are getting very late in the day and things that we re very late in the day and things that were possible this summer may not be possible going forward, because the prime minister is deliberately, i would say, running down the clock and trying to use time to threaten people into agreeing something.“ that a fair point? no, i think she is trying to get consensus. there is no way that the eu will permanently break one of their main pillars of
the treaty of rome for one country forfear the treaty of rome for one country for fear that the other 27 will want exactly the same. ironically, this deal with the eu backstop in the time we are in the implementation period gives us access to the single market, the customs union, without freedom of unit and paying into it, and that is what the fuss is about. your deal would still have... all talk at once when we voted to leave, i think one of the main reasons was to leave the political institution. let's pause. paul scully, is this delay is simply delaying the inevitable? no, i think delay is simply delaying the inevitable? no, ithink we delay is simply delaying the inevitable? no, i think we will see where we get to. you genuinely think she can get it...? it where we get to. you genuinely think she can get it. . . ? it depends on how accommodating brussels can be, the irony with all of this, the eu and those that want us to remain risk is
leaving with a no deal. that is the default position of article 50, the default position of article 50, the default position of article 50, the default position of article 50. you have anna soubry on one end and jacob rees—mogg are literally on the other, and i can't see how theresa may, even with a begging bowl, can come back and joined the two parts of the tory party together, let alone everyone else ? of the tory party together, let alone everyone else? as a uk correspondent for it big spanish newspaper, you are sitting with your head on your hand, listening and watching and i want to know your view? i have the advantage of having an unemotional perspective on the whole thing. for instance, when you are talking about labour and the best time for a no—confidence motion, there is a basic rule in politics when your enemies are ripping each other off, you don't do
anything, just wait and see, so i understand the strategy of waiting for the right moment. but as you we re for the right moment. but as you were saying, i think theresa may was just delaying the inevitable. i don't think she will get any more concessions from the eu, maybe nice words, that's it, but i don't think it will convince anyone who is already convinced in the uk, especially the eurosceptics. thank you, rafa. a final quick word from you all? the talk here is so... just so condescending towards the eu. we voted to leave, we can then be in charge of the narrative and tell the eu what to do, it is ridiculous. i don't understand why you think you can pick and choose what you want from the eu. we chose to leave, you can't say we are getting kicked out of galileo and all this when we chose to leave. we put £1 billion into it and did most of the
technical work. and then you voted to leave it. i think the debate amongst the mp5 today is a microcosm of what is happening in our country. 0n the ground, every single one of this disagrees with each other, our divide is getting bigger and this disagrees with each other, our divide is getting biggerand i this disagrees with each other, our divide is getting bigger and i think we need some direction. i know we are not meant to talk about the first vote, but i don't think we knew what we were voting for the la st knew what we were voting for the last time. i firmly believe we need a second people's vote. europe is negotiated as a well drilled team, they will not give anything to mrs may at all other than a few sweet words. it is time for this country to take action, british business needs action, meaning joining wto. eleanor? although she will not come back with anything, it is quite accepted she needs to put it to the commons and the vote will go either way and we can move forward. it is political war at the can move forward. it is political warat the minute, can move forward. it is political war at the minute, labour backstabbing them, the lib dems
joining in and the snp having a bite of the cherry. they all want rid of may but nobody else will do a better job. there will be a few people who agree with you and if you... there will be a few people who agree with you and if you. .. have you got the application form?! in the referendum it was made clear by both the leave and remain campaigns that leaving the eu is leading the customs union and the single market, in the 2070 general election both main parties stood on ma nifestos election both main parties stood on manifestos including leaving the single market and customs union, if that was not enough, the prime minister made that clear in her mansion house speech. why are we still having this debate? the people have given new and instruction. because the prime minister cannot deliver on that. thank you so much, happy christmas. laughter no brussels with my christmas lunch! you were dying to get that in! there
is one he prepared earlier. i appreciate your time, thank you for giving it up. more than 80,000 people between the ages of 15 to 25 could be living with an undiagnosed heart condition — that's according to figures given to this programme by the british heart foundation. that is young people in this country. the bhf say they may have?a faulty gene which puts them at an unusually high risk of developing heart disease or dying suddenly at a young age. many of them will only discover they've got a problem when they suffer a cardiac arrest. william njobvu was himself diagnosed with a rare heart condition at the age ofjust 22. he's been to meet some of those affected. he had a serious, serious heart issue. there was nothing to tell him or tell us that there was anything wrong. around 1500 young people die suddenly every year from previously undetected heart conditions. my lips started going blue,
i had stopped breathing, my heart had stopped. we have been told over 80,000 young people could be living with underlying heart issues that might flare up at any time. these inherited heart disorders are rare in themselves, but when you add them together they actually add up to a significant number. so, what is it like for people with these conditions and theirfamilies, and what can be done to stop more sudden cardiac arrests in young people? in 2016, i was diagnosed with a heart condition — mitral valve prolapse — which means one of my heart valves is leaking. at the age of 22, it was a shock. but i was one of the lucky ones. many young people with heart conditions never get that diagnosis and it can have catastrophic consequences. william. nice to meet you.
in the same year i got my diagnosis, gill and barry's son dan was a 24—year—old on the up. a former footballer for hull city, he had just got a job and moved in with his girlfriend. when dan walked into the room, he gave the room a lift. he had started working, he had got the degree, he had got the car, he had got the girl, he got the flat. everything. 0n the day he died, dan had been doing what he loved, playing football. my phone went. it was one of his team—mates. basically said dan had collapsed, would we be able to get there? dan was rushed to the hospital nearest the game. over an hour from barry and gill's family home. there were some nurses there, and a consultant, and theyjust took us into a room, didn't they? and at that point we knew it wasn't good. and we just sat down and the consultantjust said, i'm sorry, and that was it, really. to your knowledge, dan
was completely healthy. when they broke the news to you, what was going through your mind at that stage? i don't know. disbelief. utter disbelief. you just go into shock. 24 hours before, we had facetimed and he was his usual self. he had a serious, serious heart issue, heart problem. but there was nothing to tell him or tell us that there was anything wrong. he went out, played the first half, had a break, he went out, ten minutes in the second half, and that was it. it was later discovered dan had a heart condition called arvc, which weakens the walls of your heart and can sometimes lead to a cardiac arrest. if you could say one more thing to dan, what would you say? i love you.
yes. but he knew. yes. sorry. he was... he wasn't against giving hugs. stories like dan's are shocking, but the british heart foundation have told us there could be another 80,000 15 to 25—year—olds living with undiagnosed heart conditions. many will never have any problems, but for others, they will only find out when it is too late. these inherited heart disorders are rare in themselves, but when you add them together, they actually add up to a significant number. thankfully the majority of people won't be at risk for serious events such as sudden death, but a small proportion will be, in fact around 1500 young people a year die suddenly in the uk from these inherited heart conditions. professor elijah behr is a leading
heart doctor, who is looking into what causes unexpected cardiac deaths in young people. we're trying to determine what the background genetic causes may be, particularly in those cases no answer is available after doing a postmortem or autopsy. what we're trying to do is take those answers, translate them in the family and try to prevent any further sudden deaths from occurring. lora is a 27—year—old veterinary nurse. like me, she has a rare heart condition. she found out about hers three years ago, in pretty shocking circumstances. i had been in work all day, and i came home, and me and my friend were going to go out for dinner, so she had come in with me, i was just about to leave the house to go out and i said i felt faint. and when she turned around to check on me, i was on the floor. she thought i was messing around to start with and walked over to me,
and my lips had started going blue. i had stopped breathing, my heart had stopped. lora was in a coma for three days. she woke up in hospital in tears. just confusion. no idea what was going on. everything was just hazy and no—one wanted to tell me what had happened to start with, they were all too scared to stress me out and cause another cardiac arrest. do you know how long your heart stopped working? about five minutes, i was told. the animals keep you busy. yes, very busy. lora was diagnosed with something called long qt, an inherited problem with your heart rhythm, which means the heart muscle takes longer to recharge between beats. when you find out that you suffered a cardiac arrest, at the age of 24, how did that make you feel? shocked initially, ithought something like that happened to older people. i was young, i was fit, healthy, i had no idea i had a heart condition, so to suddenly find out i had had a cardiac arrest,
absolutely shocking. the symptoms of long qt, from blackouts to cardiac arrest, can be triggered by strenuous exercise, stress or even something as simple as a sudden noise. i have had an icd implanted, so it's a defibrillator and a pacemaker, so it can shock me plus pace my heart if i have any irregular heart rhythm. it's just on the left shoulder, there. at least i know, if it were to happen again, i've got that is my kind of safety net now. listening to lora was full—on. if i had not got my diagnosis, i could have been in the same position. so, what can be done to pick up these conditions more quickly? young people having symptoms need to be taken seriously, but then there will probably be the majority where there isn't necessarily that family history or symptom of concern that may highlight them as being at risk. and the strategies for that really need to be part of research. are you 0k?
just, the last time we were actually here was on the day of his funeral. back in hull, the wilkinsons took us to the kc stadium, the home of the football club where dan learned to play. they're now trying to stop more deaths like dan's from taking place. through the charity, they have paid for more defibrillators at grassroots football clubs. we just know it's right, trying to do some good. the screens or the defibrillators... it will save a life, ultimately. and that's what we're trying to do. and since that was filmed, one of the defibrillators gill and barry have paid for through their charity, the daniel wilkinson foundation, has been used to save the life of a 14—year—old playing football at his local club in yorkshire. gosh, that makes me really
emotional, actually. let's talk about sarah hyland. she stars in the us sitcom modern family, one of the bigger shows around. she has been talking about having two kidney transplants which she says has left contemplating suicide. with me now is christian hewgill — he's a reporter at bbc newsbeat. how big is modern family? huge, one of the biggest us victims of the last decade, it has run the ten series, won multiple emmys, it is huge, it is on sky over year. i am a fan. what has happened to sarah? she is 28 and already in her young life she has had 16 major surgeries. her dad gave her one of his kidneys at the age of 21 but her body rejected it, fortunately some later her brother was a match in a second
kidney transplant. she has had a battle with kidney displays here, a kidney which can cause the organ to malfunction. it develops in the womb, when you are developing. what she is speaking about is the mental health struggles she has had after having undergone two surgeries, when afamily having undergone two surgeries, when a family member gives you a second chance at life and it fails, she says she felt it was her fault. of course it isn't, but that is how it makes her feel and she said for a long time she was contemplating suicide because she did not want to feel that she had let her little brother down like she felt she had let her dad down. very moving. now she says she is well and happy and she says she is well and happy and she hopes that by speaking out it will encourage others to appreciate their health? i have spoken to somebody who has been in a similar situation to sarah this morning, a couple of the uk's leading charities around this, what they have told me
is that the mental health side of this, the effect it can have on you once you have had a transplant and gone through ordeals like this, it is huge and maybe people don't quite realise the mental health impact it can have, and that it is notjust affect older people, people think of kidney problems as being something older people have, there is 28 and farfrom alone. by older people have, there is 28 and far from alone. by speaking older people have, there is 28 and farfrom alone. by speaking out loud and proud, sarah wants to make people realise they are not alone and there is help for people in this country. thank you, christian. the church of england has published new guidance to help transgender people mark their transition and re—dedicate their lives within the faith. but the pastoral guidance does not include a new service or blessing, rather, it says existing liturgy should be adapted to affirm those who have undergone transition. the revd dr tina beardsley is a retired healthcare chaplain and one of three transgender clergy
who were consulted on the guidelines. good morning, thank you for coming on the programme. as a result of drawing up these new guidelines, what practical changes will people see in the church of england?” think liturgy in the parishes will have the assurance that they have the backing of the church of england officially for the rights that they have already been co—creating with trans people who have come to their churches, as king for some sort of right to mark transition. what is the right to mark transition? what does it look like? how does it feel? the guidance suggests that people adapt this affirmation of baptismal faith, and when we did research with what clergy were doing, we found very often they were using the renewal of baptismal vows as may be a core or aspect of the servers, and these guidelines give quite a bit of
freedom to encourage clergy to be very sensitive when being approached by trans people and also to be creative, to use other resources. as you said at the beginning it is a pity that there is not a clear, official rights. the guidance has been very emphatic about the unconditional welcome of trans people but it is likely conditional, there is not a blessing or specific rights. in terms of what is possible at the moment, this is a very good development. some people wanted to see the introduction of the special trans affirming service... so did i. that was rejected, what do you think? the cyanide voted for the house of to consider that, and i think there are theological reasons why that is not appropriate, we have been told —— the synod voted.
why that is not appropriate, we have been told -- the synod voted. do you buy that? i think i could been told -- the synod voted. do you buy that? i think! could have been more consultation at that stage, that would have been really helpful. i think that would have been really helpful. ithink in that would have been really helpful. i think in terms of producing this guidance, there has been the consultation and we have talked to parish clergy and trans people directly affected. what do you say to members of the church of england church who say gender is assigned by god at birth and should not be changed? i say i love you within the body of christ, but in terms of the science and in terms of our experience, that is not how it is. there is variety in nature, there is variety amongst human beings. this is part of a conversation going on at the moment in living in love and faith, iam at the moment in living in love and faith, i am part of that, we are hoping to reach this deep,
theological place where we can have understanding and not this pitched battle. do you think you can get to this place? we hope and pray we can. the guidance makes clear that trans people should be addressed publicly by their chosen name, isn't that kind of basic? yes, that had to happen. that is strongly in the guidance. ok. thank you very much for coming on the programme, doctor tina beardsley, one of three transgender clergy consulted on the guidelines and a retired health care chaplain. we have so many messages about brexit. i know it feels like groundhog day, i get it. rick on twitter says, i am watching from the netherlands in disbelief at your utterly divided panel. this is brexit chaos, you brought and still bring this on yourselves and, frankly, the eu is better off without you. happy christmas to you,
rick exploration blender says pull out without a deal and drop the eu in it, why should we pay so the germans, french and spanish have huge old—age pensions and we go without? dante says a second vote without? dante says a second vote with no option to remain, people voted to leave and now they need to voted to leave and now they need to vote on the type of deal they want. bbc newsroom live is next, have a good day. good morning. anotherfairly quiet weather day across the uk. drive for many, this morning started rather cold across eastern areas. we had some frost in norfolk. towards the west, there was more cloud, which kept temperatures up mostly above freezing. cloud thick enough to produce and drizzle across the hills of western scotland, wales and the south—west of england, sunny spells toward
central and southern areas towards the east, temperatures around six to 8 degrees, further west, around nine to 11. tonight, a band of rain moves through, breaking up as it pushes from northern ireland and scotland through wales and the south—west of england. a few clear spells towards the south and east, the chance of frost here, elsewhere temperatures stay at six to 9 degrees. a few showers towards the west on wednesday, otherwise mostly dry. increasing sunshine across eastern and central areas, temperatures seven to 10 celsius. you're watching bbc newsroom live with me, annita mcveigh,
in westminster. it's11am, and these are the main stories this morning. theresa may pleads with european leaders, as she fights to rescue her brexit deal. her whistle—stop tour includes the netherlands and germany — a day after she cancelled the vote on her withdrawal deal. but she's facing an uphill battle, as the eu insists it's not possible to renegotiate. the deal we have achieved is the best deal possible, it's the only deal possible. applause and so we cannot... there is no reason whatsoever for renegotiation. here in westminster, mps will hold an emergency debate today on that decision to delay the brexit vote. our other top stories this morning — official figures show