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the united states has reiterated its determination to defeat the islamic state group after is released a video purporting to show its leader abu bakr al—baghdadi for the first time in five years. us officials say they are still working to confirm the authenticity of the video message. the us deputy attorney general rod rosenstein has submitted his resignation, indicating that he will leave the department ofjustice in two weeks time. the 54—year—old republican prosecutor appointed the special counsel robert mueller to investigate alleged russian interference in the 2016 presidential elections. emperor akihito of japan is ending his 30—year reign in the coming hours, by abdicating in favour of his elder son. the heavily symbolic but relatively simple ceremony will be televised from the imperial palace in tokyo — attended by members of the monarch‘s family, courtiers and state officials. now on bbc news, it's
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monday in parliament. hello again, and welcome to monday in parliament. in this programme, mps voice the fears of sex attack victims, asked to hand their phones to the police. it is a gross intrusion into my privacy and theirs. i feel completely as if i am the one on trial. but others warn that the victims of rape are not only those who have been attacked. justice has to be done, and that includes those people who have been accused of rape when in fact they are innocent. also, could brexit push up tuition fees for students from the eu?
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it is not in our interest to build walls between our world—class universities and our nearest neighbors. and the education secretary applauds youngsters who take an interest in the environment. my message to them on a friday afternoon is that the best place for you to be is in school. all of that to come and more. but first, the police minister has said he believes the police are open to improving their procedures for gaining evidence from mobile phones in rape cases. in england and wales, victims of crimes including rape are being asked to allow access to their phones. including social media, or risk seeing the prosecution abandoned. the new consent forms are a reaction to the collapse of a number of rape cases after crucial evidence from a phones was revealed. answering an urgent question. nick hurd said it was vital to ensure public confidence in the police and justice system.
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it's important to note mr speaker, that police forces have been using forms to request victim's consent to review mobile phones in investigations, including sexual assault cases for some time. what is new is a new national form, that was introduced today which attempts to distill current best practice to replace the individual versions of the 43 forces, ensuring that there is consistency and clarity for complaints. that is the intention of the police. in considering such, to seek such consensus, the police must consider what is a reasonable line of inquiry. and that their approach avoids unnecessary intrusion into a complainants personal life. victims of all crime frequently feel more like the accused, being required for example to provide fingerprint for the purposes of elimination, being asked to give their consent for the medical records to be disclosed, and for rape victims, having to undergo intimate medical
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examinations after suffering the most appalling of violations. however, it's the way that you deal with these requests that's critical. what you don't do is issue a blanket demand for the handover of mobile phones and other digital devices, and then threaten to discontinue cases if a victim, especially a rape victim, then refuses to hand over those devices. of course we need relevant evidence disclosed in all cases, that is a big difference between that and those who make a complaint of rape, having to open up their entire digital lives to be picked over. we cannot have a situation, mr speaker, where complainants are asked to sign consent forms authorizing the investigation of their date without limits, and if they refuse, the case isn't taken forward. i heard what the minister said about the language on the form itself, but if in practice,
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what that actually means is give us your mobile phone or the case will be dropped, then that is no way to run any criminal investigation, and it will deter victims even further from coming forward. there is a world of difference on the one hand seeking to establish a particular telephone call was made or is text was sent, and on the other, insisting on being able to fish through whatever it is on the phone. has the minister even assessed whether this can bejustified under the european convention of human rights or data protection, laws, more fundamentally as rape crisis scotland has argued today, there is a huge danger that such a policy will put people off from reporting rape and sexual violence. a young friend of mine was wrongly accused of rape. it made his life a misery for months and months. bursting into tears and all the rest of it because of the stress. and it was only through telephone evidence that emerged that it was shown that his accuser had been sexting him even though
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he denied he had not seen this person for years. so may ijust say to the minister, he should say to the police, this is the right course of action, of course it has to be proportionate, but as my honourable member said, justice has to be done, and that includes those people who have been accused of rape, when in fact they are innocent. a senior labour mp quoted from an e—mail she had been sent by a victim of a sexual assault... six months ago i was seriously sexually assaulted by a complete stranger. "two months after the assault, the police demanded full access to my phone, including my facebook and instagram passwords, my photos, stretching back to 2011, notes, texts, e—mails, and the full history of 128 groups and individuals conversations stretching back over five years. i had no prior or subsequent
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contact with my attacker. i lay awake at night worrying about the details of private conversations with friends, boyfriends, business contacts, family, that are now in the hands of the police. it is a gross intrusion into my privacy and theres. —— theirs. i feel completely as if i am the one on trial." she is entirely right in stating that there are huge complex problems underlying, underlying this issue, and she is entirely right in i think pointing out that in the past, i hope not in the future, that there are failings in how the police use their powers, and fulfill their duties and responsibilities here. in the lords, the victim's commissioner complained she hadn't been consulted, said the government needed to work harder for victims. this is the new form. it is nine pages long. and if you are asking somebody to sign this,
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no matter what stage of the process, they are traumatized. they are going through such a harassment of trying to do the right thing forjustice, and i'm sorry, my lords, but actually to ask people to sign this document without having legal representation at the end of the day is not right. there is nothing to preclude a victim of course having a legal representative available with them at the time that they might be asked to do this. but i totally take her views on board, and as i've said, the cps has undertaken to review the form. a former police chief thought it was a backward step. i'm less relaxed than some of the people who have spoken about whether it's ok to troll, as it will be seen, through someone‘s material. because it will be seen as an intrusion of privacy of the victim, even though it's probably not.
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i'm sure it's not intended that way. the minister said she took his point, that the police needed to have both the necessary resources and training in place. mps have heard that abuse of disabled people online is a stain on society. they were debating a petition which was started by the model katie price, who's disabled son harvey has been the victim of trolling. the petition calls for online abuse to be made a criminal offense. it's being signed by more than 220,000 people. labour's helenjones spelled out the offensive language used against disabled people, who she said face the most horrendous abuse, notjust occasionally, but day in and day out. those with visible disabilities are often marked for how they look, those with learning difficulties are targeted for sexual or financial exploitation, and some of the terms used, and i'm going to repeat them here only to show how vile they are, terms like "moan," "retard," "past—it," are as vile as the worse
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terms of racist abuse, and yet they are not often treated in the same way. people even join facebook groups that disabled people use for support so that they can steal images from them to transform them into so—called jokes or memes online. the conservative, dick herbert, is katie price's local mp. it is never justifiable, whether or not someone is a public figure, whether members of their family are public figures, whether or not they have been brought into the public eye by accident, or design, it is neverjustifiable to bully a young person. and especially unjustifiable to bully a young disabled person, who cannot answer back and may be particularly vulnerable to the bullying that that person is received. and why this issue is so important is because it draws attention to a new form of bullying, and a new means of enabling bullying, which after all,
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as an issue, has been around for us as long as the human race has, but has been enabled and amplified, and in many ways made a great deal worse by social media. the digital minister said that any suggestion that disabled people should avoid the internet was an outrageous piece of advice. they should be free to access those benefits, to come and go online, like everybody else, without fear of harassment, abuse, and intimidation. it's the internet that's got to change. not the experience of people with disabilities. margojames said, the lot commission was looking into whether new legislation was needed. you are watching monday in parliament with me
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david cornock, still to come, why are more pupils being excluded from school? the government has said no decision has been taken on the level of tuition fees european union students would have to pay to attend english universities after brexit. that came after universities called on ministers to care up either position, following a reported leak suggesting higherfees could be charged on eu students. —— clarify their position. over the weekend, the media reported on a leaked cabinet document discussing a policy regarding eu student access to finance products for the 2021 academic year and beyond. at this time i wish to tell the house that no decision has yet been made on the continued access to student finance for eu students. discussions at cabinet level are ongoing, should remain confidential, make no comment on this apparent leak, which is deeply regrettable.
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we've already read leaked reports that the secretary of state plans to withdraw the humphrey status for eu nationals from 2020 onwards. mr speicher, the minister cannot confirm today its policy. so when will the universities get the certainty they need to plan for their future? has this department carried out any assessment of how many eu students would no longer study here as a result of this change? mr speaker, it is not in our interest to build walls between our world—class universities, and our nearest neighbors. yet this government is committed to doing exactly that. the minister hit back saying it was the fault of mps who'd failed to support the brexit deal secured by theresa may. if we had signed and passed a deal in this house, we would've had that certainty. we would have that certainty going forwards to december 2020, a certainty which members opposite and the jailers faced approach of members opposite, the 2—faced approach,
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to somehow cast aspersions about the levels of uncertainty when it comes to eu student funding, when we would've guaranteed eu student funding for the next two years, but they decided to vote against it. if we're going to spend limited ha rd—pressed taxpayer funds, it would be better to spend them on the poorest countries in this world, the developing nations, not on some of the richest, most well—to—do countries in the world. the scottish government has confirmed the eu students starting courses in scotland in 2020 will continue to receive free tuition, because these young people across the eu are already planning where they're going to be studying in 2020. so can the minister confirm when the fee status for these eu nationals starting courses in 2020 in england will be announced? they must know this soon. very soon, or we will lose them anyway. whether it's the immigration cap, the proposed immigration cap which will make it more difficult for researchers from abroad to come and work and study here, whether it's this policy
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which would hike up fees for eu students, or lack of clarity, the cumulative effect could be that we are undermining the university sector, but also taking steps that will make it more difficult for young people from this country to live, study and work abroad, and this government could be portrayed as one that is against young people. there is nothing stopping him today from ruling out this increase in fees for either eu students or the wider international student body. i think it matters greatly that we are able to attract people but are also able to offer our young people opportunities in eu countries. does he not accept and understand that his failure to rule these increases out today will have an impact on students for both the eu and the wider international student body? i can't give a guarantee on the floor of the house as a minister. it is important that we have a joint up a piece of work from
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the government on these issues. it is important that we do so going forward, to guarantee our responsibilities both to our european partners. i hope that the house will vote for this deal that will give us the opportunity to do so, but also to make sure that we continue to build on commitments internationally as well. ministers have been accused of ignoring the border between gibraltar and the eu. 96% of people in the british overseas territory, which borders spain, have voted to remain in the eu. the chief minister of gibraltar has voiced support for the prime minister's withdrawal agreement, which has been rejected three times by mps. but last month he called for the uk to revoke article 50, which triggered the process of leaving the eu. the chief minister of gibraltar had made it absolutely clear that his preferred option and the preferred option of the people of gibraltar is to revoke the article 50 withdrawal
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and to stay members of the european union. why is this government ignoring the problem of the border between gibraltar and the european union? hear, hear. the chief minister said that the withdrawal agreement is a deal that worked for gibraltar, he said that people who care about gibraltar should get behind the prime minister and support her in delivering this deal for the united kingdom and gibraltar. would the noble lord the minister, rather than quoting from an earlier statement from the chief minister of gibraltar, recognise that he has now stated quite clearly, that remaining in the european union would be the best for gibraltar? does the government respect that view and if so what are they going to do about it? i quoted to you accurately what the first minister said. he has always been supportive of the withdrawal agreement. clearly gibraltar voted by a large margin to remain, but it is also the view of the people of gibraltar that they want to remain allied
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to the united kingdom and they respect the result of the referendum. labour said gibraltar‘s chief minister said no deal was not an option for gibraltar. he has made that clear which is why he has backed revoking article 50 if there is no deal. the reason for that is that they cannot be sustained without a proper deal. what is the government doing in terms of planning for gibraltar in the event of no deal? because that's really not an option for them. well, the way to prevent no deal by getting their withdrawal agreement passed. if it is the case that labour now supports — respects the result of the referendum, then we are talking to the labour frontbench in the other place and we hope to get an agreement that will prove that. the comments came as the british
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and irish governments confirmed a new round of political talks would take place. taking place in the wake of the murder of lyra mckee. the murder was an attack on all of us. since that sickening attack in derry, northern ireland's political leaders have shown great leadership in standing up together to reject violence. but it is now time for us to go further. the best possible way of showing those who oppose peace and democracy is to show that their efforts are futile and for all the political institutions of the belfast agreement to be fully restored and functioning as was intended by those who reach that historic agreement 21 years ago. let's work together to take away the temptation of the gun and replace it with education, training, with those veryjobs that
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can transform peoples lives. that is the stark challenge. the secretary of state is right. and it is the challenge to the leaders of sinn fein and dup that they have got to choose. do they want politics of division or will they build politics of unity and purpose? the time has come for the democratic process to debate. no more red lines. we need to get business done. that can only be done by returning to stormont to those elected representatives who want to deliver what our people needs, legislative change. i do agree the time has come for politicians to get back and run the schools and hospitals and infrastructure projects that cross my desk today i didn't day out. people are crying out for those
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decisions to be taken. this is why it is so important that we show such resolve in this house to support those politicians because it will be difficult. there will be very challenging things that need to be done and said in the next few weeks. that will be hard. there is growing concern about the number of pupils who are extruded from schools in england. —— excluded. the government has initiated a review but the report is yet to be published. at question time, labour mps asked if there was a link between the rising number of exclusions and the rise in crime. one mp offered evidence based on a request under freedom of information, or foi law.
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we were told the timpson review was finalised last year. we are now waiting still for a date to be confirmed. when will the minister confirm the timpson review will be published and when will the government act? i commend the honourable lady for the work she and her colleagues do on the all—party parliamentary group on knife crime. it is a most terrible scourge and terrible issue for us all to grapple with. i am not in a position to give her a date today for the publication of the timpson review. it will be soon. but we do have to be careful not to draw a simple causal link between exclusions and knife crime. i am also concerned about other forms of exclusion that may fall out of scope. i am aware in my constituency of the use of isolation units in schools where students are removed from lessons and placed in single booths to work on their own, often for several days at a time, with no therapeutic intervention as a form of punishment.
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often this results in the students no longer going to school. will the minister meet with me to discuss ending the draconian use of isolation units? i know there was a debate related to this recently in the house. we do support head teachers in schools in making decisions on proportionate use of behaviour management. it is important that those are proportionate. but as i say, i think it is head teachers and schools who generally speaking are in the best position to make those judgements. but we also have guidance that we issue from the centre. we keep that under review. what message does he have for those who volunteer to exclude themselves from school to take part in climate change protests, given that they have seemed disproportionately likely to attend schools fond of organising long—haul flights across the world to take part in ski visits, social visits,
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and even a netball match in barbados in one case. mr speaker, i am delighted when children and young people take a very active interest in some of these incredibly important issues. on a number of environmental topics it is children and young people who have very much taken the lead. but my message to them on a friday afternoon is that the best place for you to be is in school. that is where you can learn to be a climate scientist or an engineer and solve these problems in the future. to do otherwise, to be absent from school, will disrupt learning for others and cause additional workload for your teachers. exclusions should only be done as a last resort. it is worth remembering the disruption that that child does to everybody else's education in that class. can my right honourable friend tell me how exclusions are going as a trend? for instance, were they higher ten years ago than they are today? well, i am grateful to my right honourable friend. he is right that permanent exclusion should be a last resort.
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in my experience with head teachers it is, and it's a decision that they come to after a great deal of soul—searching. he is also right that as well as the effect on that individual child, what you also have to think about is the effect on the other 27 children in the class, and indeed the staff in that school as well. there has been an upward trend in the number of exclusions in the last few years, but it has not reached the highs that we saw under the previous labour government. the secretary of state surely knows that he lost nearly 9,500 pupils on his watch last year, they went off rolls and we had no idea where they went. following on from my honourable friend, that is one in 12 pupils who began secondary school in 2012 and finished in 2017 were removed from school rolls. now, given the scale of the problem, will he not tell us when the timpson review will be published and commit to labour's pledge that schools should retain responsibility for the results of the pupils they exclude? mr speaker, i have not ruled that
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out, as he will know. i am sure he willjoin me in welcoming the consultation that we have put out on children not in school, and maintaining a register of children not in school, including the duty to make sure that extra help is provided for home educating parents where they seek it. there have always been absences from school, as he will know. we've made great progress over the years on absence and persistent absence from school but we need to make sure that more is done. and school is out for us. thank you for watching. we are back at the same time tomorrow. goodbye. hello there. over the next few days the warmest
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weather is likely to be across more eastern parts of the uk, where we see the best of the sunshine. there was more cloud around yesterday, though, across the south—east of england and east anglia. it was fairly thin, that has certainly broken up and we've got some clearer skies right now. but further west, though, we're going to find this weather front sneaking in, it's going to bring some patchy rain and drizzle but it's moving very slowly eastwards into that area of high pressure. so for many parts it's still dry by the morning. temperatures in the clearer skies dipping away to 3—5 degrees. let's head into the morning, then. we pick up the story across scotland. some sunshine for northern and perhaps eastern scotland. a bit of patchy rain coming into the far west of scotland. still, this rain continuing on and off in northern ireland as it has done through the night. for england and wales, though, we are yet to see any rain crossing the irish sea, so it should be a dry start. some sunshine, some mist and fog patches across eastern england, those shouldn't last too long and we should see decent spells of sunshine. more sunshine towards the south—east than we had on monday. you can see how slowly this rain
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pushes over the irish sea into some western coasts, further into scotland, perhaps, but ahead of it, with some sunshine, 18 degrees likely for the moray firth and in the south—east, perhaps into east anglia, the east midlands, 18 or 19 degrees here. as we move into the evening and overnight, again this patchy rain is pushing its way further into wales, to the south—west of england, across north—west england and further into scotland as well. so more cloud pushing into more of the country means it shouldn't be quite as chilly, temperatures typically 7—9 degrees. there'll still be some sunshine around on wednesday, particularly in the morning across lincolnshire, east anglia and south—east of england — but also for northern ireland for a while. this zone of cloud elsewhere, though, producing showers really at this stage and they could be rather hit—and—miss. but with more cloud in general, even for eastern areas, it won't be quite as warm as tuesday. as we look at thursday, we've still got this fairly cloudy picture. there'll be some showers developing, those could be heavy, potentially thundery as well.
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more significant, though, perhaps that weather front there. it's producing a bit of patchy rain that's moving southwards. but it's what's happening after that to the north that is more crucial because if you follow the wind arrows, we're getting our air coming all the way from the arctic. that of course is colder air, it'll bring a few wintry showers in scotland by friday. some stronger winds across northern and eastern scotland, and down those north sea coasts. otherwise, the winds will not be too strong. but they will turn colder everywhere, i think, by the end of the week before temperatures recoverjust a little bit as we head into the weekend.
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welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name's mike embley. our top stories: islamic state releases a new video. if authentic it'll be the first time its leader, abu bakr al—baghdadi, has been seen in years. emperor akihito is to formally give up his throne. the first japanese emperor to step down in more than 200 years. the deputy attorney general who appointed robert mueller to investigate links between russia and donald trump's presidential campaign — resigns. and, underwater, and maybe undercover? is this beluga whale found off the coast of norway


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