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hello it's friday, it's ten o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. an undercover investigation by the bbc has uncovered clerics in iraq offering children for sale in "temporary marriages". we'll talk to yanar mohammed, who works in iraq, helping female survivors of sexual violence. a paralysed man has been able to move all four of his limbs using the power of his mind and a special suit. in his only bbc interview, we'll talk one of the team behind the exoskeleton. a report — due to be published in the next half hour — into an investigation into an alleged vip paedophile ring which turned out not to exist,
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is expected to strongly criticise scotland yard. and personal trainer matt lindsay's photos of his body transformation were taken from instagram and used to promote diet pills he'd never used. we'll talk to him and ask what you can do to stop your personal pictures being used without your consent. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do you believe everything you see on social media? or have your personal photos been taken for a purpose you weren't happy with? would you even know if they had been? lots of you are already getting in touch. john e—mail says a few years ago i took a photograph of a famous drink company six pack of bottles in my house and posted it on instagram, a week or so later i was
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surprised to see my photograph being used by the company. i asked them why they did that without my consent. the response was basically that it was on instagram and i have therefore given a copyright. we will be talking to a lawyer to find out what the exact situation is. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about use the hastag #victorialive. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. first, anita has the news. boris johnson's chief europe advisor will hold another round of talks in brussels today, as the government tries to break the brexit deadlock. david frost's visit comes as the eu's chief negotiator michel barnier said he still had plenty of questions about the uk's plans. the irish prime minister leo varadkar has voiced his concerns about how the plans would be enforced. former tory leadership candidate rory stewart says he's quitting the conservative party and standing down as mp at the next election. the mp for penrith and the border was among the number of mps who had the conservative whip removed by the government over brexit. mr stewart rose to promenace
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in the recent tory leadership contest and has been vocal critic of borisjohnson and strongly against a no—deal brexit. the uk hasjoined the united states and australia in raising serious concerns about plans by facebook to encrypt all messages sent on its services. the home secretary priti patel has co—signed an open letter to the company's chief executive mark zuckerberg, arguing that the move will make it harder for the authorities to fight crime — particularly child abuse. facebook says it's consulting with child safety experts, governments and technology companies to keep people safe. in a bid to quell another weekend of anti—government protests, hong kong has banned the use of face masks. hong kong chief executive carrie lam used emergency powers to bring in the ban, following widespread violence this week on the 70th anniversary of communist party rule in china. ms lam said the violence was destroying the city and the authorities could not just leave the situation to get worse and worse.
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john lewis is seeking discounts from its landlords to cut costs, in a highly unusual move that highlights the huge pressures on retailers. the bbc has learned that the retail giant has been telling landlords in some locations that it will withhold 20% of this quarter's service charge. at least 15 people in england have tested hiv positive while waiting to get a place on a trial for a pill which prevents the disease. pre—exposure prophylaxis, known as prep, is a daily tablet which can stop a person from getting hiv. england is the only place in the uk where places on a trial to access the drug through the nhs are restricted. about 30 million people — nearly half the uk population — are being offered the flu vaccine, in the biggest winter vaccination campaign the nhs has seen. for the first time, all primary school pupils can have the vaccination free. alongside children — so—called super—spreaders — the over—65s, pregnant women and those with existing illnesses will also
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be offered the vaccine. katarina johnson—thompson has won britain's second gold at the world athletics championships in doha. she set a new british record at the games last night, breaking jessica ennis—hill's score from the london olympics. that's the main stories. back to you. an undercover investigation in iraq has exposed a secret world of sexual exploitation, of children and young women by some of the country's religious elite. bbc news arabic has discovered how some muslim clerics are grooming and exploiting vulnerable girls, through the use of temporary so—called "pleasure marriages". the clerics captured on camera offer girls for sale, and give religious advice on sexual acts with children — that they claim are permitted during pleasure marriages. in a moment we'll speak to special correspondent nawal al—maghafi
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about her shocking investigation. but first, let's watch some of it. and an important warning — this film contains details of child sexual abuse which you may find distressing. you may want children to leave the room for the next ten minutes or so. karbala, the holiest shrine in shia islam, visited by millions of pilgrims every year. in the streets around the shrine, are marriage offices where couples come to get wed but they hold one of iraq's darkest secrets. we had heard some clerics were abusing their power, using temporary marriages, or mutah, to facilitate prostitution with young girls. it's a marriage contract with an expiry date, which can be as short as an hour. some say they can be a positive move for couples, who are aware of what they're doing, but they're also ripe for exploitation. in a year—long investigation, we went undercover around some of iraq's holiest
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shrines. these temporary marriages are illegal in iraq. however, we found clerics willing to do them, not only facilitating them with young girls but also offering justification through their interpretation of islamic law to have sex with them.
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we showed our footage to an expert on islamic law, a former high—ranking cleric himself. translation: what this man is saying is a crime that must be punished by law. this man says it's one reason he decided to speak out against the clerics. translation: i realised that these rules were ugly and cruel and could not come from god or from anyone human. throughout our investigation, we gathered evidence of clerics willing to facilitate sex with young girls in return for cash. in one incident, we were told children cost as little as £700. this 16—year—old already she's
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been sold to more men than she can remember. with no parents and a younger sister to support, she was groomed by a cleric at just 13 years old. this cleric denied carrying out temporary marriages, and we received no response from this cleric. both say they are followers of grand ayatollah al—sistani, one of the most senior figures in shia islam. we put our findings to his office, which released the following statement... "if these practices are happening in the way you are saying, then we condemn them unreservedly. temporary marriage is not allowed
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as a tool to sell sex in a way that belittles the dignity and humanity of women. countless years of war have left millions of women and girls vulnerable and destitute. as long as the religious clerics operate with impunity, they will continue to be victims of iraq's secret sex trade. nawalal—maghafi, bbc news, iraq. and we can talk to nawal who did this investigation. and again, the discussion and the clips we'll show contain descriptions of child abuse and exploitation which are distressing. this is a shocking investigation. tell us more about the investigation you have done. we went there and we randomly picked these marriage offices. we approached ten offices, and eight of them said they were willing to facilitate these so called pleasure marriages. over the course of the year, we focused on three of the clerics, two of the
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ones you saw in the piece a few seconds ago. not only did we film the clerics under cover, we also got to speak to the victims. also, we spoke to one of the men who uses a cleric to pay for sex with women.
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mixing up the term marriage with something that is basically abuse must be incredibly confusing for these girls. what impact is it having? this is one of the ways they groom these girls, having a religious cover for what is essentially prostitution and child abuse helps the clerics bring these girls to them. you know, it is horrific. we spoke to one of the girls he was 14 years old when she thought she fell in love with an older man. with the help of a cleric, they were able to convince her into one of these pleasure marriages. she lost her virginity and her parents did not know about it. the consequences will here have been really difficult. —— for her.
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we used an actor there. what is being done to protect these girls? not enough. it is such a delicate issue. it is so hard for them to go to the authorities and speak about it, they are afraid of speaking to their own families about what they have been through. we put our allegations to the iraqi government. ina allegations to the iraqi government. in a statement, they said in order for them to prosecute these clerics, the girls must report the clerics and tell them what has happened to them. for girls like that, it is just impossible. thank you very
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much, nawal. the documentary you have made is on the bbc iplayer and it is also, a half—hour version of it is also, a half—hour version of it is also, a half—hour version of it is running tonight at 9.30 on the bbc news channel. let's talk now to yanar mohammed, who has been sheltering female survivors of sexual violence for 15 years. thank you very much forjoining us. this is shocking to see what is happening to these children as young as nine. tell us more about the scale of it, and your experience. the scale is impossible to quantify. all the orphans and the widows of war are vulnerable to it. there is a lot of hiding of the facts. my part of the story is that the victims have nowhere to go after a so—called pleasure marriage, which is a pleasure marriage, which is a pleasure for the mail, may be for an hour, but a lifetime
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of misery, shame and poverty for the girl, when she has nowhere to go, when she is pregnant, when her children will be called children of prostitutes. when she has nowhere to go, she comes to the shelters we have set up in iraq, in our organisation. we call it organisation of women's freedom in iraq. when they come to us, they are measurable and they don't know any better, they feel they deserve all that happened to them. and the state knows about it, and they have legalised these offices that have facilitated prostituting them. and the women have no options. so the fa ct the women have no options. so the fact that we are sheltering them and taking care of them is even not recognised by the state. the state is telling us that our shelters are illegal. they don't only victimise the individual females and the women, they also victimise
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the women's organisations who are trying to ta ke women's organisations who are trying to take care of the women's well—being and give them some dignity and life. it's a really complex picture, because i want these temporary marriages are legal in iraq? —— because aunt these temporary marriages illegal in iraq? that is what they say in front of the international community, but in reality they allow them. every cleric would have four wives, and so many what they call right hand women, the direct translation, concubines they can use whenever they want to. the ruling religious institutions in iraq have turned women into slaves, and their enslavement is all over the place, through marriage, prostituting them, what they call pleasure marriages which is, in real life, prostitution. you said that the shelters you operate are illegal. is it dangerous for you to
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be helping these women? we saw in nawal‘s report, people have bravely spoken out about it. one islamic scholar said he feels it is important to speak up. is it dangerous to speak 7 speak up. is it dangerous to speak t speak up. is it dangerous to speak up? it is speak up. is it dangerous to speak ' ery speak up. is it dangerous to speak up? it is very dangerous, but it depends on whether you believe that women have a right to life or not. for us, the women of iraq, we feel this is the political struggle, that we wa nt this is the political struggle, that we want to impose on the government. they have sent us police forces to raid our shelters from time to time, and they have raided our office many times. we believe women should prevail in the end, and we have been asking that an article about the protection of women and shelters that we run goes into the laws. and they have resisted. all these years, eventually they put a small article that everybody is subject to violence, and shelters should be
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there, but they do not recognise that there is specific violence on women because of the social situation of the religious institution ruling that they have imposed on iraq. how would you go about empowering women in that context? in our house, we think of oui’ context? in our house, we think of our shelters and houses as hopes of empowering women, of telling them that was not their mistake, that they deserve better, and that they become the activists that change society. when this is going on in iraq, they are some of the women leading the demonstrations and they feel that they have a feminist struggle, organised and empowered, that a better iraq will come. thank you very much indeed. still to come... these photos of a personal trainer's fitness transformation were lifted from his instagram account and used in a social media post that
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promoted diet pills. we'll talk to matt lindsay and ask what you can do to stop your personal pictures being used without your consent. and there are around five million british teenagers and between them they own a staggering 58 million trainers, but almost one third of them aren't regularly worn. we will hear what that is doing to the environment. britain's katarina johnson—thompson has powered to heptathlon gold at the world championships, in incredible style. the 26—year—old, who's never won an outdoor medal at this level, took it with a british record of 6,981 points, beating nafissatou thiam by 304 points. katarina broke a number of personal bests over the two day event, which includes 100 metre hurdles, high jump, shot—put, a 200 metre sprint, long jump and javelin, finishing with an 800 metre, where katarina stormed over the line to take
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the medal. let's have a look at those final winning moments. she needs to find something for the la st she needs to find something for the last 200 metres. katarina johnson—thompson is going to finish off the best heptathlon of her life with a victory in the 800 metres. it will mean she becomes the world champion, it will mean she is the gold medallist. what time will she get? it's 2:07.27. she breaks the british record. she is the world champion. katarina johnson—thompson of liverpool, from walton, john lennon country. it's been a hard day's night for all of them but katarina johnson—thompson saved her best till last. ever since katarina johnson—thompson burst onto the scene as a smiling teenager at london 2012,
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she's been tipped for great things. but in the intervening years she's suffered a string of setbacks — including struggles with self—doubt. she set a new british record, set by damejessica ennis—hill at the london 2012 olympics. here's katarina's reaction straight after the final event. here you are, you've done it. i know, it doesn't make sense, to me, honestly. these whole two days have just been... because they've been so fast, and it's been at night time, it actually felt like a dream and the lights and everything, it's just been unbelievable and i can't believe this is the result. there's been so many attempts at trying to perform on this stage, i'm just so happy. and when you look back at all of those disappointments we spoke about that you've had, surely this makes it so much sweeter. i couldn't have done without them. it's traumatic enough, i'm not going to lie. i'm sure it would have been sweet in 2015 but here we are. you're right. those moments have helped me come back and made the move
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and try to look over them myself. i'm just so happy. an absolutely incredible achievment for katarina johnson—thompson. presenter gabby logan tweeted this selfie from doha with katarina, and world and olympic champion jessica ennis—hill and olympic champion denise lewis. gabby said in her tweet it was a chance for them to have a moment as only these three know what it feels like. the former conservative leadership candidate rory stewart has announced he'll stand down as an mp at the next general election. he was thrown out of the party last month after rebelling against borisjohnson to try to prevent a no—deal brexit. let's get the latest with our political correspondent iain watson so, he's gone from wanting to be a leader to being completely out. tell us leader to being completely out. tell us what is happening? yes, and in such a short timescale. he was competing against boris johnson
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such a short timescale. he was competing against borisjohnson for the leadership, no leaving the party. it shouldn't come as too much ofa party. it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, he was halfway out already, because he broke with boris johnson over the question of no—deal, one of those chucked out of the parliamentary conservative party, now resigning from the conservative party entirely, even as a grassroots member. he was also saying, i spoke to him after he took the decision to oppose boris johnson, he said he might stand as an independent mp, but he has now ruled that out as well full stop he has given his reasons and a brief resignation statement. he says that basically some people in his local party, some conservatives did not wa nt party, some conservatives did not want him to run again. others, other conservative party members elsewhere in the country, he didn't want to go and oppose them. he said he didn't wa nt to and oppose them. he said he didn't want to test loyalties and destroy friendships. he says there is enough toxic division in british politics without importing it into cumbria. what is he going to do next? he will speak to the bbc later today. we can
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ask him then. there had been some speculation about whether he would try to set up a new movement or a new centre party. he is saying he still wa nts new centre party. he is saying he still wants his voice to be heard in politics, and he also says he hopes to start working on another part of the country and make a difference outside parliament. while he was still an outside parliament. while he was stillan mp he outside parliament. while he was still an mp he was talking about perhaps reducing the size of parliament on boosting the power of local mayors and local government. so, there might be another role for him to take. i think if we stand back from this, and get away from simply what rory stewart is doing, does it have any greater symbolic value for the conservative party? nick boles thinks it does. he thinks, effectively, it is reading the last rites on one nation conservatism. that is quite a criticism, because borisjohnson, apart from brexit, says he is very much a one nation prime minister. it is interesting that people are now saying, actually, if a party cannot accommodate people like rory stewart, is it changing far too much? thank you very much.
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matt lindsay is a personal trainer who worked really hard, through exercise and healthy eating, to transform his body like this. but his photos were taken — without his consent — and used to promote diet pills. he says this left him "horrified". the post, which was liked over 4300 times, said... "shocking discovery has helped so many people transform their bodies that for a limited time only, she is offering free trials to anyone who hasn't tried it yet." the "she" refers to the person offering the diet pill trial, which is actually a fictional account. "catfishing", or stealing people's photos online and using them elsewhere, has long been a hazard of using the internet and posting publicly. but what happens when your photos are used to sell a product? we can talk to matt who understandably wants this kind of activity to be illegal. also with us are cj brough, a casting directorfor brand campaigns, and dr heather anson, who's a digital lawyer specialising in social media. welcome, all of you. matt, how did
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you find out the pictures were being used? it was quite strange, i actually had one of my clients message me and showed me the picture, they had a screenshot, and they e—mailed it to me and said, do you realise what your picture has been used for? the first time when i saw it, to be honest, my initial reaction was mildly... to be mildly flattered by it. but when i read the subsequent message that went with it, i realised that this is absolutely against everything i stand for. upon further investigation, i realised who this was targeted at, which is younger people, people who are very vulnerable when it comes to body image. it was the worst situation for someone who promotes the absolute opposite to what this is being used for. your image had been taken, and then it became something much more important to you, to look
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at the issues around that? absolutely. obviously, my goal of putting it out on social media, firstly it is quite a vulnerable thing to put an image of yourself as a trainer, out of shape, online. you leave yourself open to all manner of being shot down. but further, it is just... as you were saying, it was the fact it was going against the message you wanted to promote?m was going against everything i wanted. i know a lot of people in this position come to me and they feel very bad about how they look, and they have terrible eating habits. so obviously for people who see this image and feel, like, this isa see this image and feel, like, this is a solution, i obviously don't wa nt to is a solution, i obviously don't want to be associated with that and iam sure want to be associated with that and i am sure there are many other people whose images are used against their wishes. what did you do? could you get it taken down? no, and this
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was the whole reason why i reached out and i was looking for people to help me. because the problem is that it's very hard to report these things. the photos were used in closed groups, but with a reach of... most of them were 1 million people or more in these groups. and i couldn't access them. so they could put my picture up, say what they liked about me, and that is sitting there online and i can't even do anything about this. i felt very helpless. heather, is this illegal? because when you put stuff on instagram, they take the copyright, don't they, effectively? where does it leave us when we put pictures out there? well, actually, what happened to you is illegal across several areas of law and regulation. there is a misconception that you give up your copyright, ownership rights when you put them oi'i ownership rights when you put them on social media platforms. at what you're doing is giving a fairly unlimited license over
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your copyright to the social media platforms. but they are using them primarily for the purposes of delivering the services that you and the other users want. the areas of law that this person in particular violated would be copyright law, because they didn't have permission to use that photo. data privacy, because your photo is actually personally identifiable data. so they violated that because they had i'io they violated that because they had no legal basis for using it. and also they potentially violated consumer rights. if this is considered an advertisement, then there are regulations against misleading or false advertising. so thatis misleading or false advertising. so that is clear—cut. then you would think it would be easy to deal with it? matt did not find that to be the case. how often are people that are doing this actually being caught out and properly held to account to it? well, i think it is easier if you are a big corporation and your photos are being used
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in inappropriate ways, because you have that breach. we deal a lot with small businesses who, without intending to do ill, they will look online and find a photo they like and use it on their website, and not realise thatjust and use it on their website, and not realise that just because and use it on their website, and not realise thatjust because it is online, it is not freely usable and available. and they will get a cease and desist letter from a large corporations that own the images. from a smaller standpoint, you can ask the social media platforms to re move ask the social media platforms to remove the data. that is your right, because you are the ultimate owner of that copyright. they have a licence, but they don't have a license to use it however you want. we should be careful when we are putting things on social media platforms to ensure that we have checked the privacy settings. that is difficult, depending on what you wa nt is difficult, depending on what you want your photo out there to be used for. so you mean not having a public account? restricting the use of the public accounts. depending on the
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platform there is flexibility. how much is this happening in your experience, cj, dealing with people who put stuff online a lot? in the mainl who put stuff online a lot? in the main i am working with accounts of people who want that exposure, they are tagging things they are wearing and eating and what is in their houses and so on because they want that recognition by the brands and the brands like that content and they repost. it is a nice setup for everybody, everybody wins in that situation. what has happened to matt has been obviously really his nightmare scenario. he is trying to promote his personal fitness business and this idea you work hard, train hard, eat well, and he has been used by an unscrupulous company who are selling a product he wouldn't endorse. by that nature they're going to have unscrupulous marketing methods which isjust using tempo's image without permission and falsely. you mostly work with people who have got this symbiotic relationship whereby they put stuff out, it gets used by the
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people whose brands they are promoting and everyone is happy in that context. but their images could still be used anyone's images could be used for a purpose they don't wa nt be used for a purpose they don't want it to be used for, as matt has found out, so how easy is to to know about it? i think you tend to find out because friends or somebody will let you know. i know how difficult it is legally picky as an independent person to try to get some compensation against it. the community is a very supportive community, and i've seen lots of instances where this might have happened, and that person has called out the company, and i know matt is feeling damaged, quite rightly so, at the moment, but you can call it out, you can say this happened to me, this is my image but i don't endorse this product and please can we all share it and can we get this taken down. i've seen it work very effectively. have you done that,
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would you do that? for me, the difference is these groups are very, very large, and their reach is, like, 100 times what mine is. i have a following of around 5000 people andi a following of around 5000 people and i think i had a very positive influence on those people. and it was a very positive experience. however, i think my picture, roughly, has reached around 5 million people with a tag line saying about how i am someone else, how i lost 12 kilos in a month, which, obviously, that is so irresponsible, and so dangerous. and, so, it is the opposite. how much has it upset you? for me, it has been really upsetting because my issueis has been really upsetting because my issue is that, actually, putting the picture up in the first place was a big deal and i wanted it to be used for something really positive, and it has tainted the whole experience, actually, the fact that now it is
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the face of an apple cider vinegar company, and the quick fix and the short cut scenario, which is what i spend my life's work trying to re—educate people on. so the fact thatis re—educate people on. so the fact that is having a 5 million people reach than the 5000 people reach i have, the impact of this is much worse and much more negative than positive. for me, that is really upsetting that it has come to that. thank you for coming in and talking to us. thank you, cj and thank you also heather. let us know if you've had any expenses of that. franklin boateng is known as the king of trainers and owns more than 1,000 pairs. we're going to talk to him in a moment because new research out today suggests british teenagers own a staggering 58 million of them, but almost of third aren't regularly worn. and this fast fashion is having a big impact on the environment. the co2 emissions produced in the creation of all these trainers is the equivalent of travelling by car around
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the world almost 50,000 times. so why are young people buying so many pairs? i spoke to sven segar, founder of sustainable shoe company po—zu, charlotte zamboni, from global action plan, the environmental group which conducted this research. and king of trainers, franklin boateng. it is my nickname, the king of trainers, but i've been buying trainers, but i've been buying trainers for a long time and i don't throw anything away. that is why it accumulates. i do give some to charity. do you wear them all? yes. so, a different pair a different day forever as it is sometimes special occasions and things like that. but, yes, different pairs for a long time. ok, charlotte, you've been looking into how many pairs of trainers people own. obviously, this is an extreme case, i think it is an average of six pairs per teenager in this country so why did you decide
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to look at that? the optically interested in pressures on young people to consume. there is a culture of materialism and excessive consumption in our country. there is an awful lot of social media advertising at young people, putting pressure on them to buy more and more. we thought it would be interesting to see how many trainers they actually own. as an example, really, of the kind of pressure of the consumption they are under. we found every teenager owns six trainers, six pairs of trainers, and we looked at what that was all the teenagers in the country, and that is basically 58 million trainers owned by teenagers in the country. so what is wrong with it, if they do what franklin does, which is they buy them because they like them, they keep them and they wear them a lot, if they have six pairs? our concern is that it is the culture around that, that we are starting to be defined by what we buy,
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and that it isn't really healthy for young people to be defined by what they buy because that encourages them to see their self worth is associated with possessions and what they look like. it's always been like that, hasn't it? we are in a culture of social media and digital marketing where digital marketing, trainers, for example, digital marketing is five times that of tv marketing. there is no regulation. young people receive ads from the moment they wa ke receive ads from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to sleep, there are no guidelines or inhibition for that endless advertising, and that preys on their need to consume more and more. so, sven, you are defined by what you buy, there's so much more awareness around sustainability and ego issues and you've set up a sustainable eco—friendly shoe brand, having worked in the industry, you decided to set this up. how much are people now paying attention to that and
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seeing that is something they want to be defined by? well... surprisingly the proportion of people who are actually interested in sustainability is growing a lot. imean, in sustainability is growing a lot. i mean, throughout these years, we started 13 years ago, and some people didn't even know what sustainability means back then. now the younger generation are much more clued up. and, yeah, we recently started collaborating with star wars. and i wasjust delighted to hear a lot of star wars fans, although they purchased our shoes simply because it is a star wars shoe, when they discovered it is also a sustainable shoe, they were delightfully surprised. and... and really liked the purpose behind the brand. we are looking up the boots
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you are talking about there. i also wa nt to you are talking about there. i also want to talk about this trainer as well, actually, because you use all sorts of different materials, including this one, incredibly. i thought it was swayed when i saw it but it is made out of cork. explain the difference between the processing around the manufacturing around a sustainable shoe versus a non—sustainable one from the materials you use to who is actually making them. sure, sure. so... the mainstream shoes are made from all sorts of really nasty chemicals. i think leather is probably the biggest contributor to pollution in the shoe industry. so, there is a tanning agent called chromium. it is regarded as the fourth worst polluter in the world. yet, something like 90% of leather is tanned with this substance. which is
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absolutely appalling. and... so, this cork, for instance, itjust comes from the tree. and you don't harm the tree by harvesting the cork. you basically peel the bark of the tree. and it regrows after a few years. so it is a renewable resource. so we years. so it is a renewable resource. 50 we make years. so it is a renewable resource. so we make shoes with cork, as one example, instead of leather. we use organic cotton. this is one of our latest materials. it is one of our latest materials. it is called apple skin and it is made from the waist of the apple juice industry. that is incredible! i thought that was leather! yes. yes. they put a press with a plate to give the texture of leather. but it is made from
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the fibrous waste. there's so much innovation and labour that will be going into these and presumably wages you are also aware of. does it feed through to more expensive products?m aware of. does it feed through to more expensive products? it is. currently. so, mass-market, well—known brand trainer would be cheaper than something like this, would it? to produce, certainly. but the price of selling? well, our approach is we try to be as competitive as possible. although consumers competitive as possible. although consumers do care, very few are willing to pay more. some trainers can be hundreds of pounds. thousands. some of the pairs over there, the resale value... got a pairof there, the resale value... got a pair of trainers over a pair of trainers over £1000? that pair here would probably be over 1000. and the jordan at the end, that is the white
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and black one, that is about 2000-3000. why would you pay that for a 2000-3000. why would you pay that fora pairof trainers? 2000-3000. why would you pay that for a pair of trainers? the retail value is £160 but it is the resale value. that was in collaboration with a designer. people are prepared to pay a huge amount of money for trainers, obviously. obviously, sven is describing the extra cost of producing something sustainably, and it has been for some time it is niche brands that are doing that so how much are sustainable factors filtering through to mainstream brands? are they filtering through? i'd agree with what sven says which is we know young people are increasingly aware and concerned about environmental issues and we have seen an awful lot of change in the last year, and a huge amount of enthusiasm and activism. it's difficult for young people to make decisions because it isn't very clear to them
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where sustainable practices are used and where they are not. it is difficult for young people. they haven't got the disposable income to buy sustainable products. from our point of view, it is better to buy second—hand, although clearly there is a second—hand although clearly there is a second— hand market you although clearly there is a second—hand market you are referring to! and they get more expensive in that market! but there are great ways of buying second hand trainers but the main thing is we don't just perpetuate a culture of unthinking, endless buying, where we buy in volume. interestingly, we looked at the leading online retailer, and if you google white trainers, you get 161 style of trainer available to you which is mass consumption of a kind of scale that is unhealthy for the world but very unhealthy for young people, too, to constantly feel they should be consuming at that kind of level and buying that much in such kind of a thoughtless
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way. it has been really interesting to talk to all of you. thank you very much. the metropolitan police has just published a report examining its handling of the widely criticised operation midland — an inquiry which investigated an invented vip paedophile ring. carl beech claimed he was a victim and that his abusers included high—profile politicians and senior military officers. injuly, he was jailed for 18 years making false allegations of murder and child sexual abuse. a summary of the report from the met police was published in 2016 and said dozens of errors had been made during the operation, which cost £2.5 million but led to no arrests. more detail is now being made public. it isa it is a very lengthy report and it's just been published, hundreds of pages of it, so it is being digested. while we go through what the key findings are, we can talk to
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danieljanner qc, son of the late lord janner, and founder of the pressure group fair, which stands for falsely accused individuals for reform. well, we invited labour mp tom watson to appear the report into the investigation is being published today. welcome, danieljanner. as i mentioned, i know you are hoping to have a look at this report before publication but you haven't had a chance. what we re but you haven't had a chance. what were you hoping and expecting from it? we were expecting severe criticism of the police and we also understand tom watson is going to be severely criticised, and it is of tremendous importance to us, the family, to the britten family, to harvey proctor, individuals that this report is taken notice of because it is important not only to vips but to everybody in the country because somebody who is falsely
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accused, may they be important or not, have a right the police look at things in an impartial way and in a proper way, and it has gone very wrong here. this has turned into a national scandal. you mention tom watson. there are calls for him to resign. he has put out a statement immediately and publication saying, "i've always said it wasn't my place tojudge whether "i've always said it wasn't my place to judge whether sexual abuse allegations were true or false, that was for the police". let's have a reminder of the background to it. alleged victims were going to him, and he was making their allegations public. and the police were dealing with it. "the police encouraged me to report these stories to the police which is what i did. i hope the case of the lie carl beech doesn't prevent true victims of abuse coming forward". what is your view on tom watson? do you join those who are saying he should go?|j
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think those who are saying he should go?” think you should hang his head in shame and he should now resign. he has taken the moral high ground against labour's anti—semitism, which is hypocritical given he was responsible primarily for whipping up responsible primarily for whipping up the hysteria which led to the sort of problems we saw with nick and others being believed, and he mentioned my late father. we have my late father's case a number of nicks and we saw in relation to ted heath also, not just and we saw in relation to ted heath also, notjust one but many. your father's case, obviously, involves two separate investigations and we are talking about the met police investigation here where carl beech was found to be a liar. in your for the's case those other allegations could be tested because he died before it was put... you died an innocent man and all the civil cases for him collapsed. the allegations we re for him collapsed. the allegations were not fully
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explored. in terms of this now, tom watson does say in his statement he hopes it doesn't deter alleged victims coming forward in the future. is there a danger because one person lied in this way, and it obviously had a devastating impact on those who are falsely accused, is there a danger the balance in terms of the way cases are treated in victims might be perceived they might be treated in might stop people coming forward? genuine victims, of course, must have their cases heard. and they must be investigated. what happened here the balance swung the wrong way. the police had a system in place where all so—called victims, not complainants, were to be believed. if you just believe whatever nonsense is thrown at you, you end up with people like nick damaging innocent people. and that's happened far too much so you need to
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have a balance. how do you strike that balance? use a genuine victims but when somebody raises an allegation don't they have to be treated as genuine because it is highly sensitive when they are, and it has certainly happened in many insta nces it has certainly happened in many instances in the past when genuine victims have been treated as liars and that is a pretty horrible place for them to be. absolutely. they may or may not be genuine. in nick's case, to give an example, they alleged my labour mp father raped him in the conservative carlton club. it wasn't even verified. the police need to step back and say whoa, this is patency rubbish, we will listen and investigate and carry out verification instead of accepting it. in the case of mixing these allegations were credible and true. they need to look at every allegation properly and sensitively, check for corroboration and take it further with the cps if, indeed, there is evidence. but, here, the
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balance has moved the wrong way. things can change. what can be done do you think that victims are properly protected and those who are u nfa i rly properly protected and those who are unfairly accused are also properly protected ? unfairly accused are also properly protected? what i think we need here isa protected? what i think we need here is a judicial inquiry to sort this out, a proper investigation to see what went wrong here and how lessons can be learnt in the future. there are things that can be done. i have said to you, the language needs to change, from victim to complain in. i'm running this campaign with sir cliff richard to try to introduce anonymity for those suspects accused of sexual offences until charged so that they have some protection. what iam that they have some protection. what i am saying is a judge led inquiry will look at what went wrong in this case, a case which incidentally seems to have gone to the top of the metropolitan police, judge led so there isn't any accusation of a white wash by the police and so that
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the criminal justice white wash by the police and so that the criminaljustice system is rebalanced so that we all have confidence in what in essence is a fantastic system. danieljanner qc, thank you. i've got a statement through from the metropolitan police. "the met is determined to learn lessons to improve our response to similar situations in the future and we publish these recommendations and the key failings he identified in operation midland in 2016. the metropolitan police service and the police officers involved cooperated with sir richard as the operation into carl beech was ongoing. we were not able to publish the bulk of the report but since carl beech was found guilty of perverting the course ofjustice we are able to publish a significant amount more detail". just to say we have a line coming through from the report which says the main cause of the metropolitan police's disastrous investigation into claims of a vip paedophile ring in westminster was poorjudgment paedophile ring in westminster was poor judgment and a paedophile ring in westminster was poorjudgment and a failure to accurately evaluate known facts.
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thank you. you can go and read that report now, it'll take a while, it's 400 pages. thank you much indeed. a special suit that can read minds has enabled this 30—year—old man to walk and move all four of his limbs despite being paralysed. these pictures are incredible. he has been able to move all four of his limbs despite that. thibault, 30, said taking his first steps in the suit felt like being the "first man on the moon". joining me now from grenoble is guillaume charvet, one of the researchers behind the project. he's the brain computer interface project manager at clinatec, the research centre behind the exoskeleton. thank you forjoining us, this is absolutely incredible, tell us what has happened here, talk us through it. so, this study came to do develop and validate an
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exoskeleton for thibault, so this study was performed at clinatec, a french technological research centre with grenoble. this is the first time that we demonstrate that a paraplegic patient was able to walk and control his limbs are using an exos keleton and control his limbs are using an exoskeleton and neuro prosthesis. which is an implant in order to control brain activity. and at that time it will transmit to be decoded in real time time it will transmit to be decoded in realtime in time it will transmit to be decoded in real time in order to control the exos keleton. in real time in order to control the exoskeleton. how long has this been in the making? so, this study started two years ago. and the
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training was performed progressively, and this is the first time that we demonstrated the patient is able to control his two arms in high dimensions with this kind of recording thanks to an implant, to transmit wirelessly the data. and a decoding algorithm to decode the brain activity. we are seeing it here, obviously, in a laboratory. could it be used outside the laboratory? yeah. so, for this moment, the girl with this is to perform a demonstration. so, the demonstration that it is possible to control an egg
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is this exoskeleton isa control an egg is this exoskeleton is a demonstrator only. and the development of exoskeleton for home use will require years of research. so, for the moment, it is only for laboratories. but, for the future, it is hoped that for patients they will control, thanks to this neuro prosthesis, wheelchair, robotic arms, for example. potentially, obviously, the liberating implications of this development will be immense. it is at prototype stage at the moment with what you are doing. we heard he described walking in that suit as being or feeling as the first man on the moon. when you saw it happening, how did you feel about what
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you've achieved? so... this is a very passionate project. so with this patient, we performed a proof of concept, like the man on the moon. but it is just a step towards neuro prosthesis at home for tetraplegic patients. we need more research development in future years to development in future years to develop a solution for patients at home. and what will happen with thibault himself? what has happened to him since? he has had this taste of being able to move around in this exos keleton. of being able to move around in this exoskeleton. so, thibault trained
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at clinatec in a laboratory. but, at home, he uses a virtual environment to train, to perform training in order to control with very good reachability the movement of the exos keleton, reachability the movement of the exoskeleton, and a wheelchair. so, for thibault, he is a part of the team, and he works and we work together with thibault in this clinical trial. guillaume, together with thibault in this clinicaltrial. guillaume, thank you very much indeed and congratulations on that incredible breakthrough. some breaking news. the evening standard is leading on its front page on what rory stewart, the former tory mp, who became
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independent after voting against the government and had the whip taken against him, the paper says he will be standing for london mayor. that is their front be standing for london mayor. that is theirfront page be standing for london mayor. that is their front page exclusive. he said that to the newspaper, he is doing an interview with the bbc later and you can get all the very latest on bbc news in life which is coming up next. thank you very much for your company and we will see you soon. hope you have a lovely day and a good weekend. bye—bye.
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rain starts to spread its way on the north. gusty around the approaches, further north it should turn dry and even a bit brighter across northern parts this afternoon, and maximum temperatures getting to about 12—16. tonight, it cloudy and drizzly down towards the south—west. elsewhere, some clear skies, particularly in eastern areas allowing temperatures to fall into single figures. elsewhere probably staying just about in double figures but, then, going into the weekend, some rain behind me which will move its way in later on saturday and then throughout the night push further eastward into sunday. there will be brighter skies of eastern parts at least on saturday morning and, then, later in the day in the west on sunday. bye—bye.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: scotland yard has been strongly criticised in a report about its handling of allegations of abuse and murder by a vip paedophile ring, which turned out not to exist. it found warrants to search the homes of suspects were obtained "unlawfully". and this is the scene at scotland yard, where we're due to hear an update later the home secretary, priti patel, is calling on facebook to rethink its plans to encrypt messages on its platforms. encryption is creating those spaces, the spaces for terrorist individuals, terrorist organisations, child abusers, the people that are seeking to do harm to others. the prime minister's chief advisor on europe is holding another round of talks in brussels today, aimed at breaking the brexit deadlock.

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