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>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." quickly close the year by remembering some of the people we lost in 2013. they lead lives of purpose and
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consequence and enriched our culture through their inventions, art, and enterprise. all of them left an impact on the world where we live. here is a look back at some of those conversations. >> it was clearly time to take care of the rest of life. paris. moving to that book was six years in the making. ?ou moved to paris and do what >> do exactly what you had not been doing, pay attention to the rest of life and do not think about politics and don't worry about who is bill is up for a hearing today and whose sister is in trouble in idaho. >> what did you do there?
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did you write? good of not drink as wine. i drank a lot of wine, smoke some good cigars. >> did you love france? >> i came to love paris. >> i did not -- but you did not in the beginning? longen you write a book as as that one was, your interpersonal skills are gone. all of a sudden, i was talking to people i have never met in a language in which i had had no training. >> i think a good building enhances your existence, makes it better, makes you feel better about yourself, makes you
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understand what it is like to live well and to work well. notlieve in entitlement, the usual ones, medicare and social security. i think we are entitled to the benefits we get in our cities. >> that is the single criticism of architecture in america. >> it is a criticism of this country in terms of its attitude, its willingness to invest in it, its lack of understanding of what it means. >> have your standards, your your appreciation changed? >> i think it has broadened. the art itself has grown broader and deeper. i am always learning something new. when i get discouraged because i see too many bad buildings, then
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i see one that knocks me off my feet and it makes everything ok. was dominated she by his father in the early stages. fatheras guided by his in the early stages. even when he was president. bobby is going to be attorney general. bobby did not want to be attorney general. jack did not want him to be attorney general. his father said in 1957, he said, jack is going to be president and bobby is going to be attorney general and teddy is going to be senator all at the same time. he was making that prediction come true. jack could not confront his father. he sent and clark clifford and he sent in george smathers to persuade his father not to insist on bobby.
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his father said, forget it, bobby is going to be attorney general. and bobby became attorney general. >> he won out in the middle of the night and whispered, it is bobby, it is bobby. >> exactly. >> i have been back to vietnam several times. i interviewed the commander of the communist forces. a brilliant general, it any me though -- enemy though he was. when you were a reporter in vietnam, you would see these piles of in anybody's. we called it the body count. if we killed enough of the enemy , it would break their morale. what happened was, you would kill 5000, and six months later,
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there would be another 5000 replacing them. it was not a war for territory, it was a war to break the morale of the enemy. we never found the breaking point. they wore us down. the american public said enough already, let's get out of there. run for a fourth term and the people threw me out . when they wanted me to come back, i said, no. >> i do not remember this groundswell for you to come back . >> people had to choose between david dinkins and giuliani, they did not want that choice. >> they would have rather have you? me, youe would say to must run again. i would say no. people threw me out and now the people must be punished.
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serious.e have -- half serious. >> i came to washington with the labels the right wing conservatives put on serious. me. when the circumstances came and oopehaved like group -- c did, -- >> it rallied a lot of liberals around you because they thought you were carrying the battle that need to to be fought against some people who were opposed to you within the white house. >> the liberals expected, as did the conservatives, that when i wrote about aids, it would be a treatise of moral censure. it was dealing with sick people were they were.
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-- where they were. proofelieve that it was millions want to -- choose that way. it is very simple. they want to be independent. they are able to take care about their selves and their family. people were slaves. they thought someone would take care of them. the general secretary, the president, the state would take care of them. for the last 10 years, people are prepared to change. millions of people have changed the mentality. themselvese proved
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that they are able to take care of themselves. .> there is always the specter us how vladimir putin wants to take over the media. do you fear him? >> he is able to put them in jail. he is able to put in jail everyone he wants because the , it is so bad.a if he thinks that it is rational for him to put them in jail, he will do it. >> can anyone seriously conceive of mrs. clinton or mrs. jones or mrs. stewart being indicted for trivial mistake of that kind on a real estate loan application
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to a bank that knew all about it? it is ridiculous. it does not need to be investigated. >> what do you think about whitewater? >> i wrote a column the other day because i felt that the newspaper business had ignored this most serious, most thorough investigation of a good many of the charges against president and mrs. clinton. hundreds of pages, very detailed, he each charge eachned in a very -- projected resoundingly. fromould not know that watching television or reading the newspapers because the results of the investigation has had one 100th of the publicity of the great charges which turned out to be empty bags of wind.
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ofthere is a great thing helo picasso, by the time reaches the age of 60, a man has learned everything he needs to learn about life. and it is too late. here i am, i have come all this there has beenve a sea change in my life. i sense there is a difference in the way people appreciate me now. i cannot tell you how grateful i am. >> has it made you happier? i have gained a deep level of confidence. i know who i am and i am ok with that. >> he made the album which became the genius ray charles and i watched him call out the wrong notes. quincy jones was in the
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production room. it was an amazing moment for him because he understood orchestration. quincy always said, that is where i learned how to write for the big orchestra. .e was the ultimate musician the respect and the fear sometimes came out. fear because he could hear everything. i think he was the king of tempo . he would find something in a song that would become his. one of his favorite people with count basie, who could find us -- take a song and find the right tempo. ray absolutely could do it. when we got involved with this album, which is the last of the ray charles album, i watched everybody we worked with get inspired. when i say fear, it is highest respect you can give anybody is
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when you care about somebody. >> when a movie is really working, we have an out of the body experience. this is not the psychic network. you are so wrapped up in the story that you really are not aware of where your car is parked, where you are going to have dinner. you only care about what will happen to those people next. when that happens, it gives us an empathy for other people on the screen that is more sharp and more effective and powerful than any other art form. i am as somebody who loves to read. the movies do touch us more deeply. >> i was straight in a home in which my mom fought for civil rights in the 1950s and my dad
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was a new immigrant from china and i grew up north of here in new york. politics,thinking in the right thing to do was to serve the poor. that seemed to me that that is what politics was about. through a long strange journey, i ended up being part of the religious right. >> in a cynical society, more and more distrust, more and more people are disaffected. what david is talking about, i do not believe it matters. nothing is going to get done. >> with all of the experience you have watching politics, what was surprising? >> maybe it is not a new revelation, but how difficult the system is to move and how anybody in public life should be where of the system our founders have set up to make it very
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difficult to make change in this complicated society. it was not set up so you cannot make it operate. that is the difference. >> there has been a great trivialization of everything in our society. it makes it all the more important for a president to get anything done to focus on one or two things and keep coming back to it over and over. bill clinton's great strength is that he is a really superb comedic cater. -- communicator. bright andalso very he cannot help himself from talking about everything and dealing with everything. >> i love the play. i thought it was funny, short.
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>> you are looking for a short play? people came out of the theater and they were alive, interested, laughing. there was a lot of energy. this is something i would like to be a part of. it was not a huge stretch for me. little did ing -- know that it was more difficult than i thought. to come backhing to the theater with instead of some costume drama. >> how did the director influence the way you saw this? >> he knew it a lot better than i ever could have. he guided us along. .e understands timing
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>> he understands comedy. said, you do not want them to last here because it breaks the tension. >> i come from this very visceral point. i started to learn a lot. >> he would call anywhere from midnight to 3:00 in the morning, depending on what time zone he was in on the campaign. i would be asleep sometimes. it was a ritual. at some point, the phone would ring. i think i slept next to the phone. , the old manohn wants to talk to you.
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the candidate wants to speak to you. , that veryon theniar baritone voice, the conversation would go along for 6, 7, 8 minutes. he was doing the talking. up.voice would be mixed if he wasld sound as going off the deep end.
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next morning, he was up bright. >> this was his way of going to sleep? >> years after the campaign, i said, what was that all about? he could not sleep, he was an insomniac. i would give him scott -- scotch . .nd then you would have to talk some type of monologue and that was his ritual. >> when i started covering the white house, the dues were two dollars a year.
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when i started covering the belong toe, i could the association but i could not go to the dinner. that was in 1961. 1962, the women covering the white house said, president kennedy should not attend the dinner if we cannot go. kennedy agreed. that is the first time we were able to go. can you believe it? we had to break down the doors of the national press building. all of these clubs. great regret?r mondayalways want to morning quarterback every story. where was i?
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maybe i should have known more. i think you monday morning quarterback every story you do. >> there were two areas in which i found great satisfaction. foundwere two in which i not only satisfying, but loving an interesting. -- one fat i worked very was that i worked very hard on the history of the house. i was the chairman of the in 1976nial committee's and 1987, 1989. >> everything is going to turn 200 someday.
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i hope in the doing, that i the constitutional history. the most striking thing about -- thepaign, people talk republicans keep saying, bill clinton was elected with 43% of the vote. what is really striking is you have president george bush who had not committed any felonies and you was thought of as a nice man. and had run a very successful war. you had ross perot, who half the voters think was to mentally
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unstable to be president. and you have no clinton, this hayseed from arkansas. those two guys got 62% of the vote against an incumbent president. >> in this particular social situation, gets to be the way they celebrate the lives or the way they practice their lives. if you are doing it together, it reflects that most adequately the blues or jazz. jazz is a way of stomping the blues. >> jazz as a way of getting rid of the blues? you confront the facts of life.
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they woke up and realized they were slaves. that is a fact. the question of survival. do you cut your throat or do you to yourself together enough be ready to stomp at the savoy by 9:00 that night? >> i say that my style is the absence of style. and yet it is obvious. people say they can tell by reading a passage that i wrote it. when they read one of my books, they know it is my book. >> is that good? >> i think it is good. >> it has a certain style. >> it has a certain sound. whether it is a thing -- zing.
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i think of style as sound. my attitude towards letting the callister's -- towards letting the characters tell the story. >> the idea came from a client of mine. twice becausejobs they were paying a man 50% more than they were paying me. when you are earning $13,000 and the guy next he was making 19 or 20, that is quality of life. , ii started to do business was a research analyst, and when i started to bring in institutions, i was not being paid. i was making a lot of money then , that was back in 1967.
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where can i go where i can get credit for the business i do? what big firm can i go to? and he said to me, do not be ridiculous. work for yourself. i told him, don't you be ridiculous. said, i do not think there is a law against it. i took the constitution of the new york stock exchange home and i studied it. it took a little while because i had problems getting sponsored. i askedeople, that when them to sponsor me, they were running out of the door. people like things the status quo. >> after my dad bought my first guitar when i was 11, i started andeling on the city buses
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i paid my three cents -- that is what it was back then. they got to know me so well that it did not cost me anymore. i was able to ride for free. i could go back to the back of the bus and i would sing up a storm. i would get downtown and i would love the people on the streets. bug the people on the streets. arcadeown at the penny in beaumont. it was a sunday. there is nobody downtown on a sunday. stand,p on the shoeshine the fellow was there shining shoes. ands playing and singing
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all of a sudden, one or two , three or four getting out of church or a movie. they would stop and listen for a minute. all of a sudden, people started throwing nickels and dimes and quarters and pennies and a dollar bill or two. when it was all over with, i had $24. i had never seen that much money in my life. i went crazy. the arcade was right behind me. i had a ball. that is what happened to me a lot. >> what ever happened to the money? early on, you found out that you could earn your way by singing. religion forto a
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me, country music. i loved it so much. that people like to hear me as much as i like to sing to them, i could make a living at this. >> did you knew -- did you know what you had? johnny cash said, people ask me who is my favorite country artist and i say, beside george jones? is that what it is, the sound that you have? >> some of us are blessed in this business with a little different sound in our vocal cords. if you have that little bit of soul and you put it all together
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, especiallyin music the fans, they look for that one thing different in an artist. luckily, i guess i had it. i have been a lucky man. >> when i was a youngster going to school, most of the wisdom inh handed on to you proverbial form. one of the things your elders the pen iso you was a lot lighter than the spade. i wrote a poem called "digging." the shift from being a farmer's son to the scholarship boy to bring the poet with this first
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volume published. i went on to write poems about archaeological findings and so on. image.uite a natural >> riding the best poacher you can, what is that about -- writing the best poetry you can, what is that about? >> redemption. for someone who is a writer, there is a sense of self justification, the sense of having made sense -- or made something of it is dependent verificationerious that comes with the sounds and words being put in the right order.
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a bitve advanced yourself to arrive over you were already. there is a curious experience, and exciting reading, it carries you out with a series of yes, yes, yes. withnk it is to do wholeness and the sense that all that is possible has nearly got done. ♪
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>> asking yourself who you are, that is a medic of physical question i do not feel like discussing today. >> you are comfortable with who you are? >> more or less. >> help me understand what you mean. >> i never want to be completely satisfied. satisfaction is the enemy of
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progress. >> where does it all come from? conversation? >> i talk with people, we kick ideas around. you are constantly in search of -- >> i have a friend who just retired from the fbi. i called down there to talk to him once. you know what the boss says about you? he's a sponge. i am a sponge, i am always at work, i am always absorbing information. for the most part, the people i doing thet, they are
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same thing. they are people who prefer order to chaos. people who try to do the right thing. i love the -- >> i love the idea and excitement of going. i have never been bored with the idea of going. boringse, many films are . >> is it any different than any other art form, there are few really good ones? >> there are more good films than there are good place. plays. if i would make of a list of the films i like, it would far outnumber the number of novels i would like in that period of time. >> you have seen more films than novels you've like?
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>> yes. i have been very fortunate. a lot of fine films have been made in my time. artists depends on the who write the work at the time he is writing. a lot of good artists working at the time you are writing. what is about the film as an art form that you like so much? >> surprise and familiarity. the sense of being embraced by something i have known for a long time very well and the knowledge that it may contain something pleasantly novel, something expanded. i am not talking about thrills or plot twists, but extended knowledge of my own experience. form.s a meretricious
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it is so easily powerful. -- therenothing easier is a tremendous imaginative tickle that everyone gets from film. since the time i was a little kid, i was very blonde when i was tiny. god was very kind to me, took my hair away when i was 30. thatvery 500,000 cubans look more typically latino, they throw one or two and to check and find out what is going on on the other side. both my parents were more typically latino looking.
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have an older brother and i guess we were both the results of a recessive gene. i had an irish great-great- grandfather. it came down to me and it was confusing the cousin my household, we were very cuban. when i went outside in the world, i had to relate to a latino community that did not relate to me that way. about,tly eavesdropping i encountered so many negatives -- negative attitudes growing up. it would be nice to get out of your own skin. leading to a creative way of looking at the world. , youyou become a writer have a lot of questions you want to ask.
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you are looking for answers. my own experience of feeling of wanting to fit in and not quite , young and -- fitting in are always searching for answers. the only way you can find those answers are asking certain questions. the reasons the public has been somewhat discouraged is politicians in both parties have promised to much. inc. the government cannot easily do were promised to be done -- things that government cannot easily do were promised to be done. we will bring the economy back. doing things that require fundamental changes in social attitudes and the culture of a country. it is not unnatural that when people see these problems continuing, despite the efforts of many to deal with them, are somewhat impatient.
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-- there has been a misconception about washington is like in the case of the congress, what congress is like. focusshocked to hear a group in texas, a young worker was asked, what would it be like to have dinner with your congressman. he said i would be picked up in a huge limousine and driven to a huge mansion and waited on by servants and given food i have never seen before. -- it ishe vision of as wrong as some type of space novel. most members of congress live very ordinary lives and work very hard and it is not at all the gilded life that young man had in his mind.
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difficult to ask these questions in the context of an auction room. like so many slaves being auctioned off and your question was, how much am i paying for this stuff? moment, believing the possibility that intelligent people are interested in it because the art itself is intelligent work made by intelligent people. you made it seem like a commercial [inaudible] >> i went because it was very big and it had a lot of different schools. ihad always been writing and was always playing in bars and in band since i was 14.
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i thought i would go into journalism. ok? be sitting where you are. i went to journalism school and they were teaching me the first paragraph.riangular a little information, a little bit more information and no opinion. that was it for me in journalism school. it had not formalized in my mind, but that kind of journalism was not for me. if i had more gumption, i would have wanted to be in a drama school. as it was, i took film and i took directing, but i never had the gumption to take acting, which is what i really wanted to do. >> why not?
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>> i did not think i could do it. i thought i was better off as a director. i did a play, the automobile graveyard. >> was your first big moment as a musician? >> that is interesting. musician? as a --ing with the velvet playing with the velvet. the cohesiveness of writing songs and having them come to life like that. charlie, seriously, i was a guy playing in barbarians. i was not a singer. i was not upfront. i was way in the back. on the guitar laying my three or four chords. 20.would just play the top they were just about the same. there was the lead singer, which
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was not me. undergrounde velvet , i had some songs. we would get together. if you wrote it, you are the one who sang it. i think that is the way it worked. >> in retrospect, first of all, i muddled through by working very hard. in retrospect, what i did was assume that if everybody was doing it one way, there had to be a better way. around that, we would build a culture where failing was allowed and nothing bad happened so that the desire to do differently and we work harder
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than anybody else. wematter how right or wrong were, we could outwork the other fellow. we were very clear about what we wanted to accomplish. we wanted to be the best car insurance company that ever existed. we set a standard of integrity, a standard of openness, a standard of self revelation and examination that attracted very good people. that is how we did it. >> do you have a philosophy of giving all of this money you made away? >> not exactly. have is a function of the great american capitalist system. i would've done the same work with the same ability in the same effort for a lot less money , but it happened the way it happened.
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getting to this point and having this money, one has to think about, you have to give it away or the government takes two thirds when i die. i have a right to have fun with it. >> we were a microcosm of power in new york city. we constructed it to be an antidote to the new york times because the new york times was so dominant at the time i came to the paper and nobody was saying, wait a minute, it is a great newspaper, but in the there were a lot of smart writers.
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was meantrk observer to diagnose power in new york and meant to -- in new york. it was meant to be tremendous fun and reminiscence of what newspapers could be. >> why did you leave? >> i thought i had driven the car as far as it could go. i wanted to learn something new. i want to learn something new. mission tovangelical save the part of the print media ,hat i love, which is, to me sophisticated, arcane, a little bit of throwback to the 1920s, it also 21st century medium that the internet was a direct assault on. there is nothing as inspired
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as to know that the ideas for which i have sacrificed will triumph. i am aware ofngs the ideas ofy liberation were much alive. ,he international community irrespective of the government in power, whether it was liberal , that was aive source of tremendous inspiration
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and a cap the morale of all of us very high. therefore, we were very --engthened inside strengthened because of the knowledge because it was not in vain and the possibility of us ofing back to play our part the freedom fighters was always possible. this sustains us. was are these experiences tremendous experience. >> i was asked once what i would
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like as my epitaph. in the 1960s, i had this terrible old jacket which i loved. one of those rags you never want to part with. it had been covered with mud and blood. i still chuckle. us to return work which is not perfect. i want that on my tombstone, please. ,nother thing about the theater , itll of the art and crafts
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is a fair reflection, the art of the moment. will we have gone, it is gone. -- when we have gone, it is gone. snow.g statues of >> if this would be your last day before you went to your great reward, what would you regret not doing? >> i have never thought about that and i cannot give you a good answer. i know where i would like to be. i would like a daughter and a son and a glass of the ski. .- glass of whiskey >> longevity has its rewards. >> it does indeed. passed. is not
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the present is uncertain. the future does not exist. >> you are rather rebellious as a young man. you were not very religious. >> not at all. went, i went with very bad -- i was going to moscow. i just happen to notice them. what is that? he said that is the daily portion of talent. -- talmut. there must be something about
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this religion that keeps people together. that i wouldided start to read the bible. i read it with commentaries. i found it immensely fascinating. ♪
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