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tv   With All Due Respect  Bloomberg  June 22, 2015 8:00pm-8:31pm EDT

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>> with all due respect to apple, shake it off, shake it off. john: core lineup tonight, a poll, a paul, and a podcast. protests -- in the wake of the charleston church shootings, widespread calls for south carolina to cease flying the confederate flag. moments ago, governor nikki haley sided with the people said
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it must go. governor nick haley: we came together to move the confederate flag from the dome. we are here in a moment of you to see -- of unity to say it is time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. [applause] john: we are going to be talking about this topic a great deal on this show. for now let me ask you, governor haley moved really quick. why? mark: this has been a long time coming. she is a minority female governor, an african-american senator, lindsey graham is not going to be afraid to stand up to people in his state. those 3 leaders and saw given the nature of the tragedy, given the way the state wants to go to the future, the state needed to do something symbolic. john: funerals and memorial
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services coming up on friday. president obama will give a eulogy for one of the following. -- fallen. it would have been awkward to not make that switch by then. the other thing is money. this is a state that economically is tied into the business community. bmw, boeing, and other companies. the corporate sector is a force for progressivism. the corporate world would want this changed. mark: there are politics, the 2016 candidates would be pressed on this. the chair of the national committee was on the stage. the republican party did not want to spend another day defending the confederate flag. john: it tells you there was a lot of machinery grinding pretty quickly. mark: a lot of instant statements.
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john: in an interview releassed today, president obama addressed the persistence of racism in america in a blunt way. he has referred to a word that has been banned from respectful conversation. it has created a bit of a media conniption. let's take a listen to the cause of this controversy. president obama: the legacy of slavery, jim crow, discrimination in almost every institution of our lives, that casts a long shadow. that is still part of our dna. that has passed on. we are not cured of it. racism, we are not cured of it. and it is not just a matter of it not being polite to say [n-word] in public, it's not
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just a matter of overt discrimination. societies don't overnight completely erase everything that happened three hundred years prior. john: was he right or wrong to invoke that loaded term? and should the media play or bleep it out? mark: i think the president did it in a conversational way clearly to make a point. while it is a tough call for the media, we should do what we did, say it how the president of the united states said it. that's good enough for history. john: there is a distinction between using a word and invoking a word. that is important. there is so much euphemism around profanity. i like that the president is using it in an instructional way. i think the press is ridiculous when they have f-star-star-k.
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the mind goes to it. it doesn't have a purpose. mark: is so good president is going down there on friday. south carolina and the country need more unity around race. in the new nbc news polls, there is good news for jeb bush. gooder news, 75% of republicans say they could see themselves voting for him. up 26 points. it gets even gooder, only 40% said legacy candidates are a top concern. in this poll, can we call him the quasi-front-runner? john: i have never called him that in the first place. we have covered this stuff for
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the same amount of time. in the way we used to think about republican front-runner, jeb was not the front-runner and still is not. he is clearly in the top tier. there is no way he had the position that mitt romney had in 2012. there is no doubt he has had a good run of pulling. this is good news for him and he is firmly in that top tier. mark: he is the front runner. what this whole shows is when jeb bush tries to reach voters he can change people's view of him. that's always been their premise. he showed this week that a good set of communication can you people voting for him. with his name and the history of who the party nominates, he is the front-runner.
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john: you look at those numbers. there are good things in those numbers for marco rubio. not quite as good as scott walker. i think we can say they are the top tier. there may be others who jump in but right now it is those three guys. mark: if you are unfamiliar with the paul-ist style when it comes to attack videos, take a look at this new faux jeb bush infomercial. >> then bail out bush, jump ship. the wall street has look its buckets of bailout cash. mark: funny?
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yes. audit, surreal, all of those things. that is a very familiar part of the paul family playbook. watch these highlights from over the years from the paul family. >> why are you voting for mccain? >> because he can beat obama. >> this pretty boy, or that pretty boy? >> and the fake mitt romney, which makes me remarkably like the real mitt romney. >> why are you voting for romney? >> because he can beat obama. >> rick perry -- >> team rand, his super pac is going after with his web video targeting jeb bush on the issue of bailout spree at why are they
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targeting jeb? john: he is the front-runner according to you. rand paul, not in the top tier. jeb bush is the biggest target out there. take a shot. mark: the video is largely accurate in terms of allegations, to go after bailouts is right in the wheelhouse of the paul message. john: make him look like a wall street guy. that is one of the things we will talk about common core integration. those are things if you are an antiestablishment candidate. >> his state races to take down the confederate flags. more remarks on all of this.
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>> governor nikki haley wrapped up when she called for the confederate flag to be removed from the capital. we're joined now by our colleague al hunt of bloomberg view, who is in our washington bureau. let's listen to a part of what governor haley said. governor haley: the hate filled murderer who massacred our brothers and sisters in charleston has a sick and twisted view of the flag. in no way does he reflect the people in our state who respecte and revere it. they also see it as a memorial a way to honor ancestors who came to the service of their state during conflict. that is not hate nor is it racism.
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at the same time, for many others in south carolina, the flag is a deeply offensive symbol of a brutally oppressive past. as a state we can survive and indeed we can thrive, as we have done, while being home to both of those viewpoints. we do not need to declare a winner and a loser here. >> she preview the debate that will start now. governor nikki haley: this is south carolina's statehouse. it is south carolina's historic moment. this will be south carolina's decision. to those outside of our state the flag may be nothing more than the worst of a symbol of america's past. the statehouse belongs to all of us. their voices will be heard and their role will be respected. mark: how hard is it politically for nikki haley to do this? al: it shouldn't be hard.
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the pendulum has swung. i was born in the south. i went to school in the south. i admire what she did today but she could not be more wrong. this is not a symbol of respect and integrity, this is a symbol of hate. it was put in 1962 to say segregation now, segregation forever. it is a symbol of breaking away from the country. john: given your wisdom and long memory, take us through the history of this, the confederate flag and the various political battles that have raged over the south over previous years. al: it is interesting, a very conservative republican governor in 1996 says we are going to take it down from the top of the state capital and move it to a war memorial ground.
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the white population went crazy. he was defeated in the next election by a democrat. when he ran for the senate he was clobbered by jim demint. he became absolutely untouchable in conservative circles. same thing happened to roy barnes in georgia. it's one of those issues because of the tragedy, the awful thing in charleston, how deeply offensive this is to african-americans. i suspect the politics are a lot different. mark: does the issue of the flag go away for democrat and republican presidential candidates or are their subsidiary issues they will be asked to speak to? al: the flag doesn't go away. it is still the flag in mississippi. there are still places in
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southern forms where the flag is raised. even dixie is still sung. i don't think that reflects most southerners for sure. maybe it doesn't even reflect most republicans. it is an issue that won't go away. this is a relic of the past. hate is nothing to be proud about. this isn't celebrating general johnston. it went up in 1962. john: we have seen bandwagon in the past couple of hours. interestingly, not a word from hillary clinton. what about the politics of this seems to be a slamdunk for tearing this flag down? al: i agree. i can't imagine she would have any other position. i would be shocked if there was a reason.
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mark: it's been days. she's been referring to previous statements. rather than putting out a full throated statement, she gave a speech at the mayor's conference, didn't talk about it. al: whatever problems in 2007 and 2008 was how slow she was. she should have been much tougher much sooner. john: do you think that because of the way this looked a show of unity. mark asked the question before does it solve the problem? mike huckabee, for instance, there is an that there is a confederate flag there as well. are there any candidates where this will continue to be an
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acute problem? al: i think huckabee will be one. i don't know where rand paul stands on it. i don't know it will be a problem for him. you can't imagine they would not at this stage. it doesn't solve the problem elsewhere. the flag itself is a relic of hate of the past. what we have to acknowledge is there is a strain of racism. as long as that is there the problem isn't going to totally disappear. mark: we have seen a range of republican presidential candidates applauding statements. this is something that republicans are now happy to get on the bandwagon. with the exception of jeb bush and john kasich, all of them suggested states rights.
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al, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. after the break, jim clyburn on the latest news out of his state after this. ♪
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>> this was the scene earlier. governor nikki how -- governor nikki haley hugging democratic congressman jim clyburn wiping away tears. that embrace symbolic of a very big moment for the state. congressman clyburn is going to join us in a minute. we will be right back. ♪
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>> congressman clyburn, great to see. i know you talked to governor haley last week. can you tell us more about that conversation and how she explained herself in terms of her thinking?
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congressman clyburn: thank you so much for having me. governor haley grew up in south carolina. she grew up around that flag. as she said to me on one occasion, she was too dark in some quarters to be white and too white to be black. she understood what this flag was doing to a lot of people. she decided it was time for her to take a stand. i hope they will codify the sentiments that she expressed today. i didn't talk to her how she worked her way through all of this. i watched her last thursday afternoon.
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i'm going to tell you, these murders had tremendous impact on her. she whispered to me out of earshot of the media, leading me to the conclusion that this is a genuine growth pattern that she has undertaken with regards to this flag. she told me how sorry she was about this, and she hoped that she could have my support going forward on trying to get the appropriate response to this. i will be here tomorrow.
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a republican will stay with us today. although the other guys may be going back to washington, i think it is important enough for me to stay around and see it to the end. we will be interacting with all the families. >> everyone appreciates the service you are putting in. i'm pretty sure i saw you wipe away a tear or two. i was wondering what was so emotional about that moment for you. congressman clyburn: it was more perspiration than a tear. i sweat very easily. but this was a very emotional thing for me. i was involved in trying to find a compromise that resulted in
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the flag coming off the statehouse dome. i stayed in washington that day when we made the announcement. when that compromise failed, it failed because a few civil rights people objected to the compromise. the legislature rejected the compromise. when they put that flag where it was, that was not the compromise. that flag is where it is today out of defiance. the legislature defiantly put the flag in front of the statehouse. the compromise was to put the flag adjacent to the monument. that's what our agreement was. john: do you think the
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legislature will accept it is time to take the flag down or do you think this will have difficulty getting it done even after the governor has made her appeal? congressman clyburn: it is going to be difficult, it is not going to be easy. unfortunately too many legislators are interested in whether or not they are going to win the next election than whether or not south carolina will win this year. this ought to be a battle for the future of our great state. we had too many young people. over 80% of my class graduated from south carolina in 1961 and left. they left looking for opportunities. we need to be creating opportunities here for everybody. and that flag is a blight on the state. and i would hope we would move forward together so that everybody will feel welcome
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coming into this state. i have had african american executive tell me that they have turned down job offers in the state. john: thank you very much, we appreciate you coming on the show. check out bloomberg mark: thank you for watching. sayonara. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ get excited for the 1989 world tour with exclusive behind the scenes footage
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