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announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: 21-year-old jordan's spieth made history on sunday night. he became the youngest player to win the u.s. open since 1923. he joins an elite group and is the youngest to win multiple majors before turning the ripe old age of 22. joining me now is the editor in chief of golf world and the senior writer of golf digest. he wrote this story for the july issue.
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also, from durham, north carolina, john feinstein is on his 150th book. [laughter] i'm pleased to have those of you here. let me begin with you since you wrote this. assess this young man for me. give us a sense of his strength and what enabled him to come so far so fast. jaime: tremendous maturity which everyone comments on very quickly when they meet him. he is articulate. he's very savvy and has a certain genius about sports. he is a sportsman from way back. he played basketball, football, baseball -- everything growing up. with a competitive group of friends, he learned the important parts in order to be a winner and he is that way about golf. he's not the best at anything maybe putting, but he's good at coalescing and doing the right thing at the right time. all of those intangibles.
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charlie: it is amazing he has so much composure so young. jaime: he comes from the background of a very stable family and good parents in terms of not pushing, yet providing a lot of structure. and he has a special needs sister who has given him some perspective. i mean, he cares immensely about his sports, but he knows there's a bigger life out there and he has developed a lot of character and human qualities that help him under pressure. i think he likes himself, so he deserves to win. when he competes. charlie: can he win the british open? john: sure he can win the british open. i think what he proved his there -- there isn't a golf course where he can't win. he won augusta national, which is a pristine golf course with perfect greens and wide fairways. then he wins at what plays like a links course and did not have pristine greens. it was a tough test for everyone mentally. i think what jamie said about
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the intangibles -- not only does he have a special needs sister but he spent time volunteering at her school and did not just see what she was going through, but what all of her friends go through. i think that gives him a different approach. on the golf course he wants to win, he's ultracompetitive but he understand if he doesn't win, there are more important things. but he can win on any golf course because he's a great putter and because of his mind. charlie: it is putting in the iron game. john: always. you know the old saying -- drive for show, putt for dough. he does not hit the ball off the tee as long as some on the door. our dominant players, tiger woods hit very long and phil mickelson has hit very long. this kid does not, but he's probably the best putter in the world right now. and that's ultimately how you win golf tournaments. charlie: i'm asking a different question -- he plays well from
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the course. he's a good iron player, is he not? john: he is exceptional at laying the game. and putting -- i'm not saying he's bad at anything, he knows how to put it all together and avoid mistakes and manages game when he doesn't have his best stuff. he was way down in driving accuracy. you would think that would be fatal. in fact, he knew where to miss and dotted up on the green at a pretty good rate. then he is resilient and has a great attitude. charlie: he came back for that on 18 after the disaster on 17 which shows a maturity. jaime: he talked about this year, i want to see what the formula is for winning majors. last year, he was leading and felt he got a little flustered. he got ahead of himself. it's almost like quietly he has worked on his mental game to be resilient and composed and not
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put anything ahead of himself. just one shot at a time. it sounds like a boring thing, but it's the hardest to do in golf. he proved it right there. john: to your point about tee to green, at the 18th hole, when he made that double bogey he made that able to settle himself, he -- dustin hit the 5-iron. you are talking about a huge difference and the guy hitting the 3-wood was the one who ended up making the birdie and winning the golf tournament. a little bit of that credit should go to his caddie who is a former schoolteacher and talks about the fact that he used to have 25 students and now he has one. jaime: one quick point about that drive on 18. he says he hit it softly. he hit it with a cut. he had been playing a draw and hit it softly so it would not go too far and written the bunker that would have been a difficult thing to make a birdie from.
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again, this is hitting golf shop. he could have hit it longer. jordan sacrificed to instance to be in good shape. again, maturity and good inking under pressure. charlie: dustin is always playing within himself on the drive. jaime: he has a lot in reserve but he really wanted to last that one on 18. he peered the iron and it's just a shame. that is how office. charlie: how do you explain that? is it simply a bad putt to take himself out of the tie and out of the game? jaime: i think you can come to -- succumb to pressure and choke. the second putt, talking about a four footer for the open. anyone would feel diminished pressure and he hit a poor pod. it was just the pressure and the moment. it happens. it's not the end of the world. doesn't mean he can do it next
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time. charlie: let's talk about dustin johnson. he's come back from having some real personal problems to really be playing well. john? john: absolutely. he took a six month leave of absence from the tour in august of last year and came back and won a tournament almost right away. this was a golf course set up for him because of his legs and he used it to his advantage throughout most of the week. and the shame of it is nobody will remember the two shots he hit to get within 12 feet on 18. he smoked the drive and had a great 5-iron in there and then clearly -- he did not seem to notice on the same line, jason's putt at gone for feet past the hole. he proceeded to do the same thing. i thought he rushed a little bit on the second hut and now we have to live with that and try to have amnesia, which is an important thing for golfers to have so he can move on and try to win a major championship. charlie: i asked jordan when he came to cbs this morning what he needed to add to his game and he
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said distance. i said how are you going to do that? he said in the weight room. jaime: he's a young man and is still filling out into his body. he is a good athlete. he's going to do something that i think will be natural but also well thought out and he will improve his efficiency. he's not ever going to be super long, but another five yards would be significant. that is another club into the green. charlie: who does he remind you of? jaime: i used to say he reminded me of curtis strange, but i think he's better than curtis. i hope curtis doesn't mind i saying that. he is in that category now, even that category now of gary player. gary player was smaller but -- charlie: more muscular. jaime: he made himself that way. he had no weaknesses. he had a tremendous short game, even arnold palmer said he was the greatest competitor ever.
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he was very good under the gun. jack nicholas is to say he's not the best driver, not the best sand player or the best putter but when he has to be, he's the best. charlie: john, you write books about these ideas. is he what golf needs? john: i think he and rory mcilroy is what golf needs. golf needs a great rivalry. it hasn't had a great rivalry since tom watson. who jordan reminds me of a bit, because he such a great putter. when tom watson and jack nicholas went head-to-head at the 77 masters and british open and then the great u.s. open in 1982. you cannot say tiger woods and phil mickelson was a great rivalry because tiger woods was so much better and they never went head-to-head down the stretch in a major championship. these two guys, one of them 26 another 21, have won the last four majors in a row. they are very competitive, they like one another, but they are going to be in situations coming down the stretch in the next 10
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years where they are going to decide major championships between them and that's going to be great to watch. one other thing, they are going to be on different ryder cup teams. and who knows, we might even see a scenario where they decide the ryder cup on sunday and that would be spectacular for golf. charlie: how do they match up? jaime: they are totally opposite. rory is an artistic genius talent. his golf shots are really imposing, amazingly efficient and perfectly hit. he paints pictures out there. jordan gets it done. it's not beautiful, but when he gets closer to the grain, he's better than rory. i think he's probably a better grinder. when he doesn't have his a game, he's better at making something out of it. it might not even look that interested. i think he is getting better at that. jordan almost never mails it in. i'm not saying rory mails at him
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but his intensity and competitiveness is perhaps his best gift and he has a -- has an edge over rory. in that regard. charlie: did you ever think you would live to see tiger woods miss the cut? john: not so much missed the cut. one of his greatest achievement is how much -- how few cuts he's missed. what i never thought i would live to see was tiger woods looking like a 15 handicapper. that second shot he hit on 18 on thursday, the 3-wood that he just popped into that bunker -- that bunker was reached by zero players in the field other than tiger woods on thursday without a play for guys of that caliber. i never thought i would see a moment like that. jaime has known him longer than i have and i don't think he ever thought he would see anything like that. it was extraordinary. as someone who doesn't especially like tiger woods, it was said to watch. -- it was sad to watch.
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charlie: you say he should call butch harmon and tell him to come to las vegas and spend the day with me and let me play off the driving range and a little bit on the course and let's talk about the game, quit trying to fix everything and come out here and tiger should give butch a check and say you fill in the amount. i need to get back in touch with golf. john: tiger woods played the best golf of his career when butch was his swing coach. he won seven majors in 11 years. that's like hitting 600 for an entire major-league season. it's such an incredible statistic. he left butch in 2002 and had some success with hank haney. but not the same success, he was not as dominant a player. he has changed teachers twice more and continues to go like that. it would take a huge personality change for tiger woods to do what i suggested -- get on the plane, he doesn't have to fly to atlanta, he can go on his private plane and say to budget
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-- say to butch it has been 13 years. i admit i made a mistake. help me be great one more time and i believe which would do it if tiger woods asked. charlie: what do you think? jaime: butch is a tremendous coach or tiger. butch would say he got tiger at the best time, when he was young and listening and he had a great body for golf at that time. charlie: did he damage the body? jaime: it appears he did. he has not addressed that. the other stuff i think he , worked out like a navy seal, he worked out in a way golfers don't work out. and when he did, he got awfully thick. that might have slowed down his body speed. watch the guys who are the longest hitters -- look at dustin johnson and how lean he is. tiger got a little sick. i think tiger has got to look inside himself. i don't think it's about much hank or anybody. it's about him finding when he loss, probably during the
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scandal. some kind of confidence or sense of destiny he used to have. i know that's speculative, but it's not golf swing, it's not injury, it's psychological. what he did earlier in the year, when he was missing ships, that was even more shocking. to actually hit chips to feeds or 40 yards over the green is incredible. you don't see any pros doing that, forget tiger woods. that was just dramatic. he overcame it, which was incredible, but yet there's something in there that is not normal for a champion. i think he has to go find that. charlie: he seems like the kind of guy who wants to get rid of the problem. and if that is the problem, he's the kind of guy who seems like he would be trying to address it. i don't mean by fixing his swing. jaime: i used to think that also, but i think there's a resistance to looking inside. there are people who wish he would and he hasn't. i think that's where the key is.
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people say play more -- i say take time, find yourself and come back fresh. john: i agree with that. i have said for a while the problem is tiger is almost 40 and he feels that clock ticking. jaime and i would agree that in his mind he still has a chance to break jack nicholas' record. if he takes time off, he's going to lose endorsement money and that's important to him. it shouldn't be, but it is. i think he needs to go away and try to look inside. i think he may be afraid to go there because of what he might find, particularly about his relationship with his father which is far more complicated than he's ever been willing to discuss. there is a lot there. but as jaime said, i agree this is mental and there's no better mental coach in the game then butch harmon and that's why -- he's got to find somebody to talk to and he's got nobody in his camp currently who he can
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really talk to. charlie: who is in his camp? john: his agent, his pr guy -- people like that. they are not going to say tiger, you need to do a, b, c -- and he doesn't have many friends on the tour now that his best friends have gone over to the champions tour. charlie: tell me about phil mickelson. jaime: phil has always been fill in terms of being erratically trillion and erratically terrible. the window is closing and the sand is in the hourglass. everything is working against him now. but before this last major coming finished second at the masters. i think for phil, it's just finding motivation. he looks like he's so happy out there and signing autographs but being competitive is an effort. it just happens after 25 years. i think when he gets to that , place in his mind, he's competitive.
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he is trying to do that in the majors. chambers bay was a huge disappointment because he wants to win that grand slam. charlie: he wants to win the u.s. open. jaime: he has been second six times. charlie: sam snead said i know when they write my obituary, the first line would be i never won the open. jaime: actually, i think phil's feat of finishing second with his style of game is remarkable. he's really not a u.s. open player prototype style, but he's a great competitor and great par maker. you know, is going to be tough for him going forward. he's older but i don't count him out because he has those moments of millions like winning the british open. he never had much success at the british open but he willed himself to do it and found that spot where he found his own that weekend i still think he's capable of that. charlie: who else should we be looking at that's on the gulf
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-- on the golf scene today? john: obviously you start with spieth and mcilroy. everyone is waiting for rickie fowler to make that big two into a big three. i don't think he's there yet. he had a remarkable win at the players championship, but that's only his second win on the pga tour. he played superbly in the majors last year, he's had a disappointing year so far. going into the major open -- rickie fowler was a popular pick. he's shot 65 and a practice round and shot one of the most inexplicable 80 ones i've ever seen a my life. tiger woods' 80 was not nearly as inexplicable as rickie fowler shooting 81. he is still only 26 years old. hogan was in his 30's before he became a great champion. i think he's got a chance because he wants to be good and how did he start playing better? when he went to work with butch
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harmon charlie:. charlie: you rest your case, don't you? john: i rest my case, your honor. charlie: you are down in durham doing this interesting book, dean smith -- what does it look like for coach k after winning the finals last year? john: looks ready darn good, charlie. they had another great recruiting year. he's learned how to deal with one and done players. he is not fighting it anymore. he has accepted it. i think that's why the three freshmen performed so well. he said ok, i know you are going out the door, but i'm going to coach you like you are seniors. they responded that way and i don't think you or i have to be duke graduates to say it john wooden would -- quite a few wins in that group.
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to get to a thousand wins is just extraordinary if you look at the other great coaches there have been who have not gotten to a thousand wins. he's the only one in division i. it is an amazing story. charlie: back to golf -- watching it as you do and living in north carolina as you do, is the game changing? first of all, you have players who could hit it further than they ever had. because of the physicality and the change in the equipment and then we had the adjustment of the courses like we did see at chambers bay. the 18th was made into a par 5. what is the dynamic of the change in gulf today? jaime: i think there was a mania for distance. we always talk about distance being the great advantage and is in many ways. but the next level is skill. in other words you watch jordan spieth, and it's like stephen curry opening up a new game in
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new york. don't underestimate the ability to make a big putt. some of these long players that came along, dustin being one of them, were not particular good short game players. and i think even the general pro, spending so much time on track man, which is a device that measures every little thing about lunch conditions got so wrapped up in gulf swings and fell in love because it's fun to hit the golf ball. every golfer would probably hit on the range rather than the putting green. still, they did not develop their short game to the same extent. i think the next frontier is people who are really good to the bag as tiger was, tiger was such a one off really showed the way. in the past, people thought golfers will have a trade-off. tiger had everything and i think that's the next frontier. i think jordan is getting close. he doesn't have everything himself he does have the short game that is genius it is the separator for him. charlie: he has the thing that separates, for me, greatness
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with near greatness which is the ability to play within yourself and meet the challenge of the toughest moments. he has that making it when in the end. he knows where to win. jaime: maybe sports psychologists are getting closer to that. maybe that is another frontier. it seems innate. he just has it. maybe he learned it from his parents, may be learned from his friends, but it seems he really loves the moment. jack nicholas always said it's fun. charlie: he's only had one coat all his life. jaime: no one looked inward better than jack. he managed himself. that was his greatest skill. john: learn from failure. jordan failed to finish at the masters and the players and he learned from that and came back that much better this year. charlie: thank you. great to see you.
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back in a moment. stay with us. ♪
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charlie: judd apatow is here. he's been called the godfather of comedy. his films have grossed $1.8 billion worldwide. his latest is "train wreck" here
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is the trailer. >> girls, your mother and i are getting divorced. monogamy is not realistic. >> monogamy is not realistic. >> again. >> monogamy isn't realistic. >> i did not understand that word at the time. but now i know exactly what he was talking about. >> i would love it if you were my date. ♪ >> what happened? did church let out early? >> don't get all threatened because you don't understand the concept of marriage. you dress in like that so nobody was to have sex with him? that's cool. >> hey. >> i'm just a modern check. last week, it was this guy. >> mark wahlberg? mark wahlberg is like 150 pounds.
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i look like mark wahlberg ate mark wahlberg. >> i have a great job in a men's magazine. >> clever, but you're not too brainy -- pretty issued but not gorgeous. you are approachable. >> thank you. >> i'm giving you an assignment. i need a profile on a sports doctor. >> you are doing the article on me? >> i'm watching it tonight. i'm not going to go to practice all the guys are talking about , it. >> you follow sports? >> i love them. but who's your favorite team? >> the orlando blooms. >> do you want to get a drink? ♪ >> what am i doing? >> sexual intercourse. >> you never spend the night.
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where you blackout drunk? i had two drinks, three max. four but no one is counting. >> why is he calling you? >> this is me i think you missed i'll me. , >> i wonder if you want to hang out again? >> i am going to call the police. charlie: judd apatow has also published a book called "sick in the head" that's a collection of interviews conducted recently and as a teenager. hosting his own radio show in long island. i'm pleased to have judd apatow back with me. how did this come about? judd: i was talking to dave eggers. they have these centers where they provide tutoring to kids
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and literacy programs and we said how can we raise money for this? i said, when i was 15 years old i used to interview comedians. in the years since then, i've done a lot of interviews. maybe i can do some new ones and we can check them in a book. then i got addicted to doing new ones. so in the last year, i did louis ck and a lot of other people. chris rock, lena dunham. back in i interviewed leno and 1983, seinfeld and a lot of people with her first starting out. charlie: what's the secret to interviewing comedians? judd: i'm just a fan. i'm interested in both how they do it and just emotionally, what makes us want to do it? charlie: the thing johnny carson said -- talking about comedy is not funny. judd: that's true. it dies on the operating table. i just want to ask are you feeling crazy now, how are you staying vibrant in the life in
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your work? charlie: standup has always been fascinating. if you talk to louis ck, it takes about 15 years to really develop. judd: i didn't think i was going to make it in a year. i thought i was going to make it in 15 years, and that was a good thing to hear is a high school kid. you have to work your ass off. until you are thirtysomething years old before you make it? charlie: here's what will ferrell said -- anyone interested in comedy or humanity should own this book. it is hilarious informative, and it contains insightful interviews with the greatest comedians of our time. my representatives assure me i will appear in a future edition. judd: i thought i would do 10 or so interviews that were brand-new. as i was finishing it up, i realized i didn't get to
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anybody. i didn't get to will ferrell or jimmy kimmel. there were so many people. maybe we will do another one. charlie: going up in long island, you knew you wanted to be involved in comedy? judd: when i was little kid, i love the marx brothers. i loved anybody who was flipping the bird to power. as a weird kid, i hated people who are handsome, successful athletic. in my house, there was no spirituality. we never talked about god existing or not existing. it just never came up. all they ever said in my house is no one said life is fair. that was my religion. and so i think, he became a way , to try to find answers. charlie: when you were doing that then, were you good at it? judd: it's like the malcolm gladwell thing. i put 10,000 hours into watching the merv griffin show, the mike douglas show and the tonight show.
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i loved comics and my grandma was friends with tony field, who is this incredible woman and i went and saw her. she had her leg amputated because she had diabetes. as a 10-year-old kid, i saw her do a comeback show and she got a standing ovation and she was insanely funny. i thought you can be an outcast and a weirdo and be loved by people. charlie: jerry seinfeld told you that you have to treat it as a job. you have to go to work. judd: that's true. when you go on the road, most comedians wake up at 1:00, they go see jurassic park, then a -- nobody is putting an office hours. charlie: they have developed a routine before they go on the road. haven't they? judd: it was different for people like seinfeld who say i get up and tried to write jokes.
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like it is a job. i will sit at the table -- some people can only write on stage but a lot of the greats will say i'm going to sit down for a little while every day and work on this like a writer. charlie: you really do have to go to a desk and sit down and look at a blank piece of paper. judd: i like doing both, but some people will never do that. they might think of something during the day and tried at night. but the real craftsman like seinfeld take it to another level. charlie: what was it that harold ramis said to you about a career path that made such an impression on you? judd: harold was somebody i interviewed when i was 16 years old. he was preparing to direct "national lampoon's vacation." that is how long ago it was. he was very kind to me and talked about writing jokes for rodney dangerfield and that's how he paid his bill. he wrote jokes for the playboy magazine joke page. it hit me, like, you can write
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jokes for other people while you're are trying to make it as a comedian. he was one of the first people who talked to me about religion. he said life doesn't make any sense. in a very existential way, there are no answers, so you have to decide if you are going to be a good guy or a bad guy and i would just rather be a good guy. charlie: do you think most comedy writers end up thinking about being a performer? judd: that's a good question. there are a few who have done that successfully -- larry david. but he started as a performer. charlie: not a great standup comedian. he would be the first to tell you. judd: but always fun to watch. whether it went well or badly. i saw him at the improv one night and he was doing a bit about how hard it is to get the leader of a south american country to wear a condom.
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please, i beg of you, where the condom. and he was hysterical. whether the audience got it or not -- most times when i saw him, he killed. i did stand up from the ages of 17 to 24 and i just started again about a year and a half ago. charlie: how much are you doing? judd: i'm on the road right now. the "train wreck" tour with a lot of the people from the movie. colin quinn, mike vertically birbiglia. so we are doing a weeklong tour of the country. charlie: you did howard stern -- he's a broadcaster to me. not a comedian. judd: i interviewed him when i was 15. i think he gave me four minutes before he got or to me. charlie: how about shandling? judd: i interviewed gary when he just started guest hosting the tonight show and he had not done any of his tv shows.
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but he talked about wanting to do a tv show somewhat based on his life. he had a real vision for what his career would be and i interviewed him again last year after he accomplished all of his dreams about what that was like. he's always been my mentor. he taught me almost everything i know. and about what comedy is about. which to him, it's a search for truth, trying to get to the core of the people are. charlie: and louis ck? judd: he's an inspiration for a lot of comedy people. one is, i think he changed the games in terms of turning around your act quicker. some comedians never change their acts. they would do the same act for 20 or 30 years. george carlin every few years would have a new act. but louis did a much faster. i think suddenly everyone said
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you can write a new act every year and do a special every year or two years and i think he made everyone work harder. and then he has this show which is so imaginative and such a clean vision. he accepted a lower budget in return for being able to do anything he wanted to do. and that inspires people. charlie: and doing pure standup, is he considered amongst his peers to be the best? judd: there are always five who are among the top tier. even five isn't enough. charlie: somebody just to think about. judd: david atell, amy schumer. i saw ray romano recently and he couldn't have been funnier. bill burr. charlie: what's the timing for a
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standup question mark is it an hour of material? judd: it seems like a good standup show is about an hour. for the headliner. it's a great time for comedy because of the internet. the audience knows comedy. when i was a kid, no one cared. i would want to talk about letterman overseeing michael keaton do standup. there was one kid at my school that cared at all. and now it's part of the culture. we have a geek culture in a lot of ways. charlie: you have a reputation of being able to spot comedic talent. what do you look for? what catches your eye? judd: i don't know if i can define it. when i was a kid, i would watch the mike douglas show and someone funny would be on like andy kaufman. i wonder what else he's doing. i would check the tv guide and i thought he's going to be on this show, "taxi." and as a producer, that is
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really what it is. amy schumer, i just heard her on the howard stern show and i thought she should have a movie. i guess she's not going to get a a movie unless i make it. charlie: what did she say? i've been waiting for your call? judd: unlike a lot of people she worked her butt off. most people, you want to write a movie? and they just literally don't do it. if i gave her notes in all right or would take three months to execute, she would do it in six days. she just worked so hard and the work was very strong. that's why we got it made. charlie: this is the first time you've made a movie you didn't write. how did you like it? judd: i loved it. it was half the work. writing and directing -- you can have somebody do half of it. charlie: if you don't like it, you can change it. judd: i have such a good rapport with amy. usually, we developed a script at some point, i think someone
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can direct this better than me. when we were working on "super bad" i thought greg could do this better than me. but with amy, i thought it would be fun to do this with her. and it's fun to say to amy, i don't think that joke is that good. can you go right 10 more jokes as alternates? and she goes and write 10 more. charlie: tell me more about her. judd: i think she's really important voice right now. a lot of people talk about important issues -- the fact that there are so few female directors, writers and producers -- her work is brutally honest but it's also very political and a george carlin type of way. she's looking at the way women are treated in our culture and doing viciously hilarious sketches which just destroy these points of view which are old and need to go away. and she's having her moment and she's very ready for it. she's a great, nice person who has worked really hard for this to happen.
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charlie: i know and like chris rock and did a cameo in his movie. when he was making the movie -- you would appreciate this -- he said i want you to be as good in the movie as you are at standup. i want you to have that same sense of excellence as you do with standup. don't just make it a movie because you are good at standup, make the movie because you care about being good. judd: it is a fantastic movie. that's what i like about working with new, young people. amy schumer will kill for the movie. i think when you are trying to break through, it's the one time in your career will -- where you will put a ridiculous amount of time in and you couldn't care more about the film. that's why that movie came out well.
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"bridesmaids" was the first movie that they wrote. i think there's an energy when people want to reveal themselves and work that hard and you only get it at the beginning. i think. charlie: thank you. judd: thank you for having me. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪
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charlie: aziz ansari is here. he's a standup comedian, writer and actor and is just written his first book with an nyu sociologist called "modern romance." it takes a look at the way technology influences relationships, dating and how we love. here's a look at the book's trailer. ♪ >> early to bed, early to rise makes a woman healthy, wealthy and wise. that's why you are wiser than me. it's stephen. >> hi, i'm loris. i'm an executive by day and a wild man by night. >> my name is monroe. you probably notice i have incredibly blue eyes.
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>> my name is phil. most of my friends, a big phil. >> if you are watching this tape smoking your cigarette, hit the fast-forward button because i don't smoke i like people who do smoke. >> if you would like to know more about me, to please write. ♪ aziz: hi. i'm aziz ansari. as the bozos you saw earlier painfully illustrate, finding love has never been easy. and today, it's more daunting and strange than the folks use of earlier had to contend with. that's why i decided to write my new book, "modern romance." charlie: modern romance does run through everything you do -- standup comedy -- aziz: yes. i think love and finding love is something that is always in your mind and my material and whatever i'm working on is usually autobiographical.
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whatever stage i'm -- i'm starting to loosely write some new stand up and it's about being in a relationship for a couple of years. the last special is more dating and stuff. it is always a part of it. charlie: writing the book was the next step? aziz: writing the book, in my last special i had written about some of these issues, about how so much dating has moved toward your phone and texting and we have all of these weird dilemmas that seem uniquely personal to us but are universal. i met a couple of sociologists and academics and i would talk to them about these subjects in the conversations were really interesting. it was interesting to have their insight. that's what gave me the idea -- if i could do that as a book and have that dialogue with me and sociologists and do some real research, it would be a unique
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project. charlie: i assume that's when eric kleinberg came in. aziz: yes. i pitched the idea for the book. and i told the publisher i went with, i went with penguin and i said i want to write this with a sociologist so i can do it properly and do it as a sociologist book and a humor book. they introduced me to eric and he really got it. he helped me design this research project we did for a year and a half. we interviewed people all over the country and all over the world. charlie: some of this was on reddit? aziz: we did do some of this on reddit. most of the interviews we did were in person. but one of the things -- we realized we aren't going to be able to go everywhere. we are not going to go to every city everywhere, but if we do it on the internet, we can reach anybody and we can get them to talk about things they might be hesitant to talk about in person like cheating. people have very personal on these internet forums and it was super helpful. charlie: what's the most important thing you learned about modern romance? aziz: if i had to boil it down
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to one thing, i would say we are happier when we spend less time on our screen and more time in front of people. charlie: i would say so, too. aziz: you look at online dating stuff, it's huge. it's way bigger than i ever thought going into the book. you know it's how people meet , their spouse now. it's bigger than work, school and friends combined. it's how people end up meeting the people they are marrying. you talk to so many young people doing the stuff. charlie: sorry to interrupt you -- is there -- do most people acknowledge they met the person who became their husband or wife, partner -- aziz: there's still a little bit of stigma, but it's going away. charlie: someone famous said to me the other day i would love to go online because i would love to expand my world, but i'm just nervous about it the known that that's what i'm using.
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aziz: it's weird because if you are a public figure, there's a different stigma that comes with it. as far as a stigma for the general public, it's going away. especially when you look at these numbers. charlie: and look at the results. aziz: people are successful. you expand who you are going to meet. you know you are trying to find , someone to spend the rest of your life with or love -- why not use that resource? it is an incredible resource. charlie: how has texting changed the way people date? aziz: what's interesting is the early stages of courtship have moved on to texting and the phone. you talk to women who meet a guy at a bar or party. they get to know him a little bit that their impressions really get formed even more when they start receiving messages. you realize there are two self -- you have your phone itself in your real self. charlie: why is that? aziz: because people have these
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devices that contain a big part of their personal life and the way you communicate on that really defines how people think about you. i think with this romance stuff, it is like especially with , texting, you are not hearing a voice or anything. it's even different than a phone call. you just see these words and people read so much into the time it takes to write back and certain things turn people off like grammar or spelling is a huge turnoff for some people -- some people like it when a guy uses one of those emoticons. someone else's like if he uses that i don't take them seriously at all. certain things you say on your phone can really define how you end up appearing in the real world. aziz: i talked to a woman want to set i'm just honest with people. i don't mess around. i'm like really, i'm a guy, i ask you out for dinner, what you say? she said i would sam not
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interested in going to dinner with you. on one hand, that's nice -- there's no games there and you know exactly where you stand. you're not wasting your time. on the other hand, did you imagine receiving a text like that. you want to receive dinner -- you want to get dinner sometime? i'm not interested in getting dinner with you. what are you, a demon? that is the meanest coldest thing anyone has said to me. i am a person, i have feelings. i'm just a fellow human being who wanted to break bread with you and get to know you. is that such a horrifying situation. like hey, do you want some free food? not if your presence is involved. you got a gift certificate, i will go with my friend. aziz: do the bleep guys get excited when i come on the show? [laughter] charlie: they do. what do you see out there in terms of the audience response? what gets the biggest laughs? aziz: you know what i realized in the last years of my career there are almost two different laughs. there is one where people laugh
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and they think that's a funny thing. but there's another kind of left for people are laughing and you see they are thinking oh my god, i have told that before. you did the nerve, and that's what is most exciting to me. when you hit something no one is talking about, you are in a great place. charlie: you said between 2005 and 2012, more than a third of the couples who got hurried met through the internet. no other way of establishing a relationship has increased so far so fast. that is in the book. what are the worst experiences people have online? i also talked to people who have said and we have done segments about this -- they will go through five people and meet them and wonder -- they will get frustrated and think this is not working in the sixth person is like their dream. aziz: there are a couple of things there.
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the people who seem to be unhappy with online dating are the people who spent a lot of time sorting through profiles and sending messages back and forth and trying to establish an amazing connection, looking for perfection and sending so many messages trying to form a bond on the screen when in reality you form these connections in person. spending time with people in person is the key to online dating. there's a woman, helen fisher -- she put it beautifully. she said these things should not be referred to as online dating sites. they should be online introduction services. it's about meeting a person in real life and seeing if there is a spark there. charlie: what it really does is just expands opportunity. aziz: if you don't have online, you have what? college and work. and that's it. that's a finite amount of people. you have your friends, friends of friends and randomly meeting people at a party.
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online is an infinite set of people. charlie: are you doing more political jokes now? aziz: i'm not. i kind of i don't follow the , news closely. i'm kind of bummed out when i follow the news, so i've just been sticking more to personal stuff. charlie: speaking about your mother's experience immigrating from india to america. aziz: my mom told me her first day in america was the scariest day of her life. i got here, i didn't know anyone, so far away with my friends and family. i barely knew your father. they had an arranged marriage and she had known him for like a week at that point, seriously. she said she got here and is in the small apartment and she didn't know what to do. she felt so scared. i said what did you do that first day? she said i didn't know what to do, i was all alone in your dad was at work, i just sat on the couch and cried. that's so sad. how do you get through that? she said it was just one of
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those moments where i had to be brave and figured out. did you ever have moments like that where you are so scared and you knew you had to be brave and figured out. i was like no. my life is super easy because you did all the struggling, so my life is really easy. i'm not going to have struggles to tell my kids about. what's my story? oh, son, when i fly from new york to l.a., my ipad died. my kids will be like we are teleporting to mars. charlie: there you go. you did it again. "modern romance" is the book. thank you for coming. aziz: thanks for having me. charlie: where's your next concert date? aziz: i recorded that special when i did the garden. once you record the specials, you put them out. and you have to write a whole
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new act. i've been filming a tv show them as i've been busy with that. at some point, i will have to get back to the comedy clubs. charlie: thanks for joining us. we will see you next time. ♪
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