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charlie: he is one of televisionsbread -- best broadcasters. he hosted the today show for 15 years. he joined cbs in 1997 on both his own primetime program and the early show print since 1995 he hosted hbo's real sports with bryant gumbel. the monthly magazine program has won numerous awards including 28
sports emmys and a peabody in 2011. i am pleased to have bryant thisl at the stable -- at table. bryant: the last time we did this was 99. it was right after my bar mitzvah. [laughter] it's a wonderful broadcast. i have really good people. it is a great place to work. it has been really a lot of fun. charlie: what is your frame of mind today you go you one the peabody, for god's sake -- today you go you one bank the peabody -- frame of mind today? you one bank the peabody, for god's sake. is that it for you?
bryant: i love your work and you know iwatch constantly. i watch-- you know constantly. i think i've had my time. what i do doesn't fit with the way things are done now. i'm not the same guy i was. i'm really not. i'm much more easy-going now. , back in the day if somebody said something that set me off i was eager to fight and more than willing to mix it up. i'm more inclined now to say, you're an idiot, i will let you be an idiot. charlie: you have a great marriage. bryant: my friends always told me i picked my coverage. hillary has been wonderful for me. she has been terrific. charlie: there is no ambition left and you? have a lot of
ambition. i still like being engaged with smart people. i still like discussions and conversations. don't feel the need to do them in public. don't have that overriding ambition for everybody to know what i am thinking. i'm happy to have discussions with friends and acquaintances, people at dinner. the idea of engaging people on any and everything and fighting them tooth and nail, i don't have that anymore. charlie thing is not about the score, at the end of the day is about a culture.
bryant: i said real sports is -- sports is about real sports like rocky was about boxing. boxee was the vehicle to tell them about hopes and dreams in class and ambition and disappointment. and real sports uses sports as a vehicle to talk about race and gender and class and education and societal norms and politics and finance and everything else. that often gets overlooked. charlie: let's talk sports. tom brady. i think the most amusing thing for me is that people are so concerned about deflated footballs as you can on serious stuff. charlie: don't you think the nfl gotrying now on concussions
bryant: -- on concussions? eager: i think they are to pass the problem. i'm not going to say they don't care. charlie: if they don't something -- t it bryant: in that respect they -- they care. which is why they are delighted right now. everybody is preoccupied with deflategate because they are not talking about the other stuff that we generally do. charlie: like what? like a mystic violence? bryant: mystic violence, concussions. charlie: how many shows have you done on concussions? bryant: many.
i'm happy we have brought it to the floor as often as we have and i think we have done a responsible job. charlie: has it made a difference? bryant: problem is at a certain extension you feel like you're spitting water at the ocean. i don't know. i'm not necessarily sure you can have the game without it -- without it. charlie: without hard knocks? bryant: i would take the facemasks off. i think it is going to be the rare individual who leads with his head who doesn't have a facemask. you will wind up with a lot of busted noses and broken teeth, but i suspect you will have
fewer people leading with their head. i guess. charlie: the interesting thing , the most important thing for them is the reputation of the nfl. bryant: they are very protective of the shield. they care a lot about public opinion. charlie: did they change because of all the trouble they got into? bryant: i'm not necessarily sure there is an easy way out on this. you can't deny somebody due process. want roger to jump in and spend the guy immediately. you can deprive somebody their
living. so i'm not sure there is an easy way out for them on that. problem isent the inherent and the people who play it, sometimes it is overstated. ofdid a piece on the level domestic violence in the guys involved in mma. charlie: high? bryant: compared to the societal norm, yes. also compared to the societal norm the nfl is actually less, though it gets a lot of attention. in terms of incidents per 1000 males it is less. i guess the problem is it is
less a college problem and more a probe problem. in every walk of life the pros play by the same rule, which is if you are talented enough than you can go to college. a writer, whatever you want. should have that opportunity, which would get rid certainly minimize the impact of one and duns, which came about when the nba past its rule that you have to have at least one year of college. now you are giving me my meat and potatoes. i think it is the biggest injustice in all of sports. a charlie: biggest injustice of all of sports is paying these kids who -- is not paying these kids to come out of high school.
they come there to make money for the university because of , generatesc program huge endowments from the alumni. bryant: it is amateur only for the guys who are playing, it is not amateur for the coach, not amateur for the school, for the administrators, the university, the networks, the sponsors. is only amateur for the guys taking the risk. we should find a way to make sure they are fairly compensated for what they are providing. it is providing a multibillion-dollar industry. they are supposedly getting an education for it. certainly there must be some way of setting up something.
>> it is about their conduct. them absolutely. >> i saw an interesting piece on and they were talking about are they treated friendly than regular students who want to follow the law? the answer is yes. charlie: wire they treated differently? bryant: because they have access to a lawyer. that's what separates them. it is preferential -- it is not correct -- it is not preferential because of the name, it is because of the reputation and the american legal system. you have a better chance of being guilty with a great lawyer than being innocent without a good one.
it was a dumb thing to do. charlie: i have a lot of opinion. i deprive you.ch i know how much you needed this. bryant: for 19 years i have every show with a brief -- i like some of them. hicharlie: no expect you to hitt out of the park. bryant: and i didn't feel i think the show need something in way thatnd the same there was something there that people expected. was it always great? no. but it was a good way to button the program.
charlie: you used to have this natural scenes at the end. larson -- i think he has done a great job. charlie: he has created a very good show. nobody in this business is your replacement, as we know. charlie: we are often close to. he's not the only guy. bryant: charlie does a wonderful job. charlie bank he's pretty good on radio -- charlie: he's pretty good on radio. par -- does paul harvey tried to get the two of them together. because if we can get the two of us together we would own the radio. right back my dad was a lawyer first and then a judge. -- bryant: my dad was a lawyer first and then a judge.
charlie: the most admired man you have ever known? bryant: easily. it is not a fair world. i am, was brighter than hard-working than i am arian did more -- than i am. did more for society than i ever did. in his best year he didn't make what people in television make in a good month. society is not fair. times change. dad, my dadved my died at 51. i even count the days when i passed him.
you always look at your parents passed that time i was like he really was young. his 51 years were different in our 51 years. he died before i ever was on the air. charlie: my father died during the night watch. he would watch it every night. he was on a bicycle, like a treadmill. he fell off and the doctor said he was dead by the time he hit the floor. he probably was watching me on television.
brian thing i always tell my friends and we could give 20 years of my life i can take a round of golf with my dad. my dad never played on a private course, never had a caddy. but made it impossible for me to do all those things. -- made it possible for me to do all those things. he made it possible for me to enjoy them. charlie: why would he love that? ♪
charlie: morning shows, what is wrong with them? bryant: everyone who does one likes to believe theirs is the one -- there's is better than the one that followed. times change. i agree with what you are saying. audiences change. it is a debate we can have forever. would people -- would an audience sit there for that now? i don't know. i can remember having a 20 minute conversation. on the today program.
ran through a bunch of stops. i'm not sure the public would sit for that kind of thing anymore. i just ran for the stop sign. clothing one of the bigger mistakes they make as they will dump out of something really good for something that is not quite as good because it was when youd that way you weigh them -- try think they are not equal. -- bryant: they are not equal. i don't get everybody sitting there and weighing in. do we really need six people to say that was great fun? no.
charlie: the big advantage is doing a lot of one-on-one stuff. that is the way the program was designed. to do aou are going off piece outside the studio. outside the studio you can do -- bryant: i did a five-part interview with david stockman when he was reagan's financial. i can't imagine a morning program doing a five-part series with president obama's chief advisor. charlie: we would do five different shows. five segments.
i'm arguing for that. bryant: the other big changes the morning show has been a progression thing. you get progressively lighter. four years there we were still talking about the peace prospects in the third half hour. now a lot of shows i have watched go to the latest makeover to the first half hour. charlie: it is no secret you like the work we are doing because you like news. bryant: i sent him notes all the time. julie thing -- charlie: peter
jennings used to watch the show on the time. it came with criticism, came with applause, came with judgment. so many call me up and said, how could you do that? next night he would call up and say, you should be there the rest of your life in bryant: -- of your life. right thing when you like a broadcast you become proprietary about it. you are offended when it goes off the rails, which is something you don't want. put it back where i wanted. charlie: but you like having leisure time. bryant: i do. charlie: you want to take hillary out and do a lot of things together. bryant: i like to do a lot of
things i didn't get to do for sayingst -- i'm fond of time is like lost space. i feel mine that is like closet space. i feel mine -- time is like closet space. fill mine. charlie: here's my argument with you. you have a lot of talent. you have strongly held views about this world that we live in. i think you have the ability to communicate that. know how to grasp an issue and you know how to understand it and communicated. i think you know it to us to do more. i would say the same thing about marlon brando about acting.
bryant: first of all, i'm grateful. charlie: i would tell him if you have contempt for acting, i wouldn't want this conversation to go further. i'm out of here. right thing i don't have contempt for the business. all the people on television, they are kind enough to come knocking and ask. they asked about various programs. charlie: getting ready to go on vacation -- bryant: i like doing one-off like this. my buddy says you could do a show called, "get off of my lawn." i still like being engaged. i just don't feel an overwhelming need to do it publicly. is anything of her in a fiasco you are right, there are times when i see things happening in
the public sector or in politics or on the racial front for i say do i wish i had a form because i would like to come swinging. charlie: we will give you one tomorrow if you want it. bryant: we got enough headaches about me. morning iome friday will think -- who was it that said the day after jeff announced he was that is the way i feel sometimes when i see what is passing for dialogue. doinge: what would you be if you had the desire and the
bryant: probably a broadcast like this. asking who isd of a good review and who is a bad ? a good interview is somebody who says that well-paid -- says it well. the idea of having people who have something to say and say it well, i think it is fun, it is engaging, it is interesting, it is substantive, it is socially helpful. it is what tv should be. not the freak show that is often out there. charlie: what about john stuart even this week?
-- john stewart leaving this week? bryant: i am the odd man out, i'm not a watcher. i find myself turning off the tv. i'm an admirer. i just didn't watch. i'm not a tv watcher. at two in the morning. charlie: are you doing anything new with your life? bryant: teams like everything i do is new in my life. read. out, play golf, i do stupid things like during the summer hillary and i are doing the new york vacation. we are doing things we never did. oddly enough i have never been to the frick. it's wonderful. it's now my favorite museum.
going to moma, going to the mat. kelly bank great thing about the city is you can spend a different night -- charlie: the great thing about the cities you can spend a different night in new york and a different country. if you want to be in the dominican republic, there are neighborhoods where all the people are dominican, all the food is dominican, and the whole culture. times: an op-ed in the two weeks ago was talking about travel. my father and i got engaged in conversation about this. it is hard to jump up and go somewhere else. you can say i can do it here. there is nothing i'm going to london oris or anywhere that i can't buy in manhattan. the only thing i'm not going to get is the experience. it becomes difficult.
manhattan offers so much. charlie: the whole weekend i was thinking about that. this is as interesting and as , except french villages which are different, unique, and the attitude. bryant: you have to go out the villages. you had to go out and stay with them. no radio, no tv, no phone. we lived there for a little while. charlie: if i was an editor
today and came to you with a television program, i would say to you helped me understand what it's like from a young black , this clashctive .ith blue on black help us understand that. bryant: is one of those things you can't talk about it but until you have been there -- it is funny you should have said this because before i sat down here i reached to that paper on your left. the washington post there is a columnist, a young woman, in the c-section. i didn't mean it that way. she got stopped and she happens to be white.
it escalated and got somewhat out of control with the officers screaming at her to get back in the car. an she was left with impression that i'm sure no amount of discussion could have ever revealed to her until she went through it, when you are a person of color and go through it, it is a frightening exercise . my son has been arrested for walking while black. i get it. you can't buy your way out of it. you can't educate your way out of it. charlie: is it happening too much or do we had least know about it now? bryant: too often people are inclined to say if he had a different attitude, if he hadn't been driving, almost as if the .ictim is partially to blame
he shouldn't have resisted in the case of brown. in the case of sondra bland, her attitude. stop. this has nothing to do with the victims. to do witherything the culture of the meaning a person of color. there is no justification for where my son has a far greater chance of being stopped, held, killed then your son simply because he's black. there's no amount of discussion that is ever going to impress that on someone. charlie: i think you should give me 20% of your life and i will fill in for you. thank you for coming. bryant: it's always a pleasure.
all of us grew up with the profit. us knows nothing about it, about its poetry, about its inspiration. how did you discover it and say i have to make a movie? i discovered it because my grandfather always had the book on his bedside table. i was sort of haunted by this drawing of a man and associated it with my grandfather. he died when i was six. it was the first traumatizing experience with death. when i was 18 i found that book in someone's house. it was the first time i could
read it and i knew it was the same book. about love, about everything. and a little about him and who he was. that doesn't mean he makes a good movie. this book doesn't have a story. i thought it was important to highlight these things today and it would make a great movie. highlightrtant to that the writer wrote a book that had 120 million copies sold. different crees, people from all over the world. charlie: you think it has a built-in international audience. i think it has an audience. world thatemind the
it was an arab man who wrote a book about philosophy. this is a nice thing to think about. it talks to a part of you that when you hear it, it almost sounds familiar not because you heard it before but because it about thee truth simple things in life, that brings us all together. she was -- when she came out of the movie she told me. she was proud of me and then she
went on to write a poem about how we are free and therefore we never die and are eternal. drawing.a she's coming out of the tomb and dancing among the rest of the family. charlie: everybody takes something different from it. salma: our children are growing up to be consumers. and everything we show them has everything digested for them. same for us. it takes you into a journey eight times through the film. it is always surprising when you are going to come and you don't
know what they are going to look like you all different kinds of techniques of the nations. this journeys inside yourself. everybody is going to find something different. charlie: you think this filing some of the rules -- it is a movie made out of a philosophy -- the author is arabic. want unique and different styles. it was impossible and we had no script at the beginning. it was really difficult. i also had this crazy idea to make a philosophy of making the book -- the same philosophy of the principles buchholz.
holds.ciples the book we have animators from all religions, different ages, all , because thed movie is also about freedom. i thought it was apportioned each one of them had absolute freedom to create what they want. charlie: your husband supported it at the end. sounding i had one week before i would give the investors a door out. we were the people that one of the banks helped us from lebanon. and then -- charlie: they said i believe in you. salma: he. charlie: heels and said, it is , henteresting marriage really insisted that you work.
i knew you would not be happy -- he knew you would not be happy otherwise. otherwise he would not have been happy if you are not working. salma: i don't think so. one of the things he fell in love with me is my passion for what i do. he did in one me to turn into someone i didn't marry. that into someone he didn't marry. he didn't want me turning into someone he didn't marry. we are both independent. i won't let him participate in a lot of the things i'm in. i have to work hard to make a living to pay those bills.
him -- that was a determination on your part. you had to put that movie on the screen. salma: it was a part -- it was a way for me to show a part of mexicans history -- of mexico's history people are not aware. artas a fertile time for and ideology. people don't think of mexico is a sophisticated place. trotsky was leaving there. charlie: unfortunately for trotsky. salma: he would have been killed anywhere and he had a good time.
charlie: you a very good director. you everything that i is very visual. freda was very important. one of the things i loved about the story that i wanted people to be inspired by was her courage to be unique. who better than julie taymor to be unique. this line king connection -- -- this line king connection -- -- -- lion king connection
the story comes from the perspective of the little girl. roger does a great job. it is simple, it feels very earthy. he understands global audiences very well. i think it was the best choice for this part of the story. in regard to crazy artists that are really extraordinary that tell the poems. it is great because the children understand the poetry through images. even if they don't understand all the words they understand all the conceptual images. this is an adaptation, , of "on love." charlie: -- the mother of l
get the talent that was in the film? salma: yes. charlie: was it worth it? yes.: mimi's and says the poetry in a way that is like a conversation with a little child. he didn't even look at the script because he knew all the poems i heart. charlie: whenever you are sitting in the first certain rows you always raise your hand because you like to speak at your pablum -- you are passionate about public issues. one of the interesting things you have said and conferences in which i have participated is you strongly make the argument that to defeat isis what we have to do speak to the young people who are joining isis or other groups. at the same time when we have to do is provide an alternative so they are not the word to find their own identity, yes?
salma: that -- if they are leeward to find their own identity, it means they are not their own identity. they are not exposed to a simulation that will make them come up with their own sense of purpose. but they are easily brainwashed. i believe young people today don't have enough of this stimulation. they think smartly about their own purpose. our future is in their hands. one of the things people said , they say youie people are not interested in philosophy. this is a big mistake. they are underestimated.
it is not just about entertaining them. we have to find materials that inspire them and inspire them to think outside the box. we cannot keep repeating the same patterns in history. charlie: are you took in about your film that will inspire them? salma: my film will inspire them, but we must find different ways. inspire them to think on their own and to appreciate life. we try to entertain ourselves from life, away from life, instead of really pondering upon life. there is a part of them that has not been fed. charlie: if i ever met a you.starter, it is you're prepared to do whatever it takes, whatever role you need to accept to make some thing happened.
-- make something happen. you're prepared to do what it is . agreed? salma: yes. a charlie: where does that come from? salma: a sense of conviction. when someone else wants to say -- it is a good exercise for keeping in touch with your amp at the end learning to be many different characters. when i'm going to go through the trouble of producing, which is a pain in the neck, because it is something i want to say that i have a conviction over and i believe in, every single time they told me it is not that it is impossible, this will never happen, and nobody will like it. charlie: what did you say? i said let's see. and i have been right every time. i hope i'm right with this 12. that this one -- right with this
one too. may i convince me i confess something? i have stage fright very badly. i go to psychoanalysis. i will make this confession. it is my shrink that tells me you must make a question in front of everyone. it terrifies me, but i have all these questions in my head. it is an exercise. i don't have a lot of questions and i want some answers. and usually they don't answer my questions. charlie: so you are in pursuit of the answer to the question you have to salma: that you have. salma: it is -- to the question you have. bravery ton act of raise my hand.