tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg August 10, 2015 6:00pm-7:01pm EDT
>> from our studios in new york city. this is "charlie rose." . charlie: analysis of the first republican presidential debate. the top 10 candidates topped off in cleveland and questioned them. this included the economy and social issues. all of the contenders high lighted conservative themes and it was good television and one of the most awaited political events of the year. here's a look of some last night's most memorable moments. >> this election cannot be a
resume competition. if this election is a resume competition, hillary clinton is going to be the next president. if i'm our nominee, how is hillary clinton going to lecture me living paycheck to paycheck. how is she going to lecture to me about student loans. >> i'm going to have earn this. the bar is higher for me. that's fine. i have a record in florida. i'm proud of my dad and brother, in florida, they call me jeb, because i earned it. >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. [applause] >> i have been challenged by so many people and i don't frankly have time for total political correctness. and to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either.
you misunderstand the bill of rights, every time you did a case, you got a warrant from a judge. i'm talking about searches without warrants, indiscriminately of all americans' records and i sought to end that. i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug and if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead. >> i said to hillary clinton, be at my wedding and she came, you know why? i gave to a foundation that frankly, that foundation is supposed to do good. i didn't know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. it was. >> i went to a wedding of a friend of mine who is gay. because someone thinks not the way i do, it doesn't mean i don't care about them. >> it's sad to think right now the russian and chinese government know more about
hillary clinton email server than do members of congress. >> my father, when i was a child, was an alcoholic and wasn't a christian and he left my mother and left me when i was three years old and someone invited him to clay road baptist church, he changed his life around. >> i was appointed united states attorney on september 10, 2001 and spent the next seven years in my career fighting terrorists. >> i'm the only one that parated siamese twins, the only one to operate on babies while still in the mother's womb and take out a half of a brain. but if you went to washington, you would think someone beat me to it. >> ed rollins is a republican political consultant and served as a senior adviser to ronald
reagan. from washington, former minnesota congresswoman weber. and served as a top policy adviser and assisting jeb bush in his bed of the no, ma'am -- nomination. i won't ask you about jeb bush but your analysis as a former politician and a strategist and consultant how you saw the debate from your own political experience. >> good and bad. i thought first of all, jeb bush needed to do what he needed to do. gave his record as a conservative as republican governor. many candidates did quite well. that was the good. the bad was, the big story today largely still is about donald trump. i had hoped to wake up people talking about anything else and
we are talking more about donald trump than anything else. i don't mean particular disrespect to him, we need to get more of the focus on the other republican candidates and that started to happen last night. >> do you think this was the beginning of the end of donald trump or does he have staying power? >> he has staying power, but we saw the seeds of vulnerability planted last night. he has defied the laws of political gravity that most of us have lived by all of our lives and things he has said and done in the last few weeks would have killed another candidate at another time and we are scratching our heads how come it hasn't killed donald trump. i don't think he defies the laws of politics forever. >> you reinforce your base and donald trump has an anti-establishment base. we have evangelical wing and tea party wing and the well-to-do,
the accomplishment wing. the establishment wing isn't going to accept him and neither will the evangelicals. and neither will the tea party. the media coverage, not saying they are for him but he has dominated the media taking the oxygen out of everybody else. last night's show was trump's show. many democrats wanted to see the show. we have top six or seven people who will go on and be viable candidates. >> who had the best night? >> marco rubio. he showed great substance. bush and walker didn't make the final sale. they didn't hurt themselves but people aren't saying, that's my guy. and fiorina is going to have another look. >> marco rubio had a great night. some of them were engaging with trump. he was one who made the argument
that look, i'm i'm the candidate for the next century and i'm going to rise above it. he did well. john kasich presented himself well and he is still polling in our cbs news polls at 1% or 2%. he showed in front of a hometown crowd that he has good ideas and a sense of humor and made a nod to the people donald trump is appealing to. he laid out his own platform. >> jeannie? >> i agree with the assessments that have been made. i think in the case of rubio, what made him step apart from the rest is that they threw a couple of zingers at him and he navigated them right there in lifetime in front of people,
really professionally and in a polished way. he was basically invited to say something bad about jeb. he didn't. he stepped away from that. so i think that thinking on your feet was pretty impressive from him and i think that's what made him have a better night than say bush and walker. >> nick, overall? >> in some ways the most important ning in this debate, trump is at war with fox news. media be in a war with but not fox news and win. if you are an undecided voter and kasich was great. i thought he had the best way of handling trump, embraced the resentment, but not the man. i get it. get it, >> when he was asked about the
comments he made, he made some more comments. calling out on megyn kelly. and still going on twitter at 3:30 working this out of his system. >> nobody cares about the fight with rosie o'donnell. >> he retweeted someone who alled megyn kelly a bimbo. >> does somebody have to take him on or the events will take him on? >> i have to laugh, nick is exactly right. a lot of republicans are going to be conflicted if they have to defend anybody in the news media, even fox news. [laughter] >> but i don't think that it's wise for a candidate to take him on directly as their strategy. the candidates that we have talked about, rubio, kasich, walker, bush, that have a real shot, maybe fiorina, need to focus on defining themselves and
not defining themselves simply in negative terms towards trump. events, because of ed's analysis, i think events are going to deflate him and take him longer than ed thinks it's going to take him. someone going to define their candidacy in opposition to trump is because you haven't defined yourself. >> what about fiorina? what was it about her performance in the first debate that made her stand out? >> she knew what she wanted to say. she had polished, precise answers and she was willing to attack. and the republican party is, they want a fighter, especially the base. someone who will come out and fight for their convictions and she was willing to take hillary on. she was willing to take on her republican rivals.
and the interesting thing about the happy hour debate is that to get out of there, somebody's got to take down one of the top 10. so you have to fight to get into that top 10. and she was willing to go there and that is why she was such a standout. >> the only problem and i have great respect for her. i have been in the choosing of vice presidents on several occasions. people say she is a candidate for vice president. she has no political base. she lost california by a million votes. she has to win her way up and has to raise money. she has to get to numbers to get in the next debate. my sense, she will get media attention but it's a tough hurdle. >> she was better off. >> move to her business record and golden parachute. she has a lot of vulnerability as a candidate.
>> let me talk about two people who had a lot of speculation, one, chris christie and senator from kentucky, rand paul. >> to both of their benefits, i think, in fact before this debate even happened, a lot of people were predicting if there was going to be a brawl on the stage it would be between christie and paul. there is no love loss. >> he came for a fight. >> and took on donald trump, too. both of them have gotten loss in the shuffle. they weren't interested in taking on trump the way some of the candidates were even lower in the polls have done. but yet trump was stealing a lot of their thunder and outspoken conservative. they needed to get back into the conversation and this fight help them do it. it was a fight over privacy issues and fisa courts and rand
paul said look, we need to be collecting fewer documents, not more, from individuals and chris christie called him out and said i have had to take on terrorists. i was the u.s. attorney. he wanted to remind everyone that he has this unique experience and rand paul wants to remind people that he is the biggest privacy advocate on the stage. >> i think he lost almost every one of those exchangeses. he took several shots at donald trump and lost every one. if you are the attack dog and no one knows who your it's not effective. >> speaking of jeb bush and established that you can characterize an adviser, consultant and friend, i'm sure. what's wrong with his campaign for those who suggest that he can't seem to bring it all together? he has raised a ton of money, but not as strong a campaign as
people might be. >> i'm not sure i agree with that, charlie. get back to the point that ed just made. the debate is a huge event and now back to basics. bush's campaign and putting organizations together around the country. the only problem with the bush campaign, there was an expectation that he was going to come in and completely dominate the field. what we found that the field is pretty strong and no one is able to dominate it, not even donald trump. but governor bush is on track. he has serious competitors and he is the most likely republican nominee to broaden out our appeal. >> the clinton campaign thinks he is the most likely nominee because she is the one who
attacks, except for your odd comment about donald trump. he's the one who you get press releases from all the time from the clinton campaign. they still think he is the person they need to draw. >> john cast itch, the last guy to get in this race stepped into the big leagues and my sense is someone who could attract the establishment and he is going to be a contender. i'm not saying he is going to win but the potential is there. >> charlie, can i just -- i served with john kasich in the congress and i know him well and i'm pro--bush but i'm not anti-cast itch, he is a great guy. ♪
charlie: will we see a turning point where there is more attention focused on these other candidates, their positions and who they are. >> yes. there are three bases of the party. bush has the establishment element. christie may have gotten a few fundraisers back. kasich is going to have a good campaign moving forward. we need to get out of 17. the super pacs may let them go
on. but maybe five, sick -- six nominees of our party. they have a certain element that likes them, they are going to falter by not having the money or resources. >> the falterers will have a great temptation to go hard right. if you think you are not making that cut that ed rollins just described, how do you get back in the game? you go hard for the republican base. they'll drag some of those top five candidates along with them. charlie: who has the evangelical vote in the primaries? huckabee? >> ted cruz. many of them have gone there. huckabee he even helped himself. but he has some support from
when he ran and his programming on television. what's interesting is that you don't see as many of them rallying around santorum early, even though they were so important in just the last election cycle to help him win the iowa caucus. they could still come to him. but cruz moved early and forcefully and passionately to try to get at lockdown some portion of that vote. you know, even with his announcement speech. i think he's got a head start when it comes to evangelical vote. >> if you look at the debate last night, trump has scored the scorecard. if your goal was going to be the blunt straight talker in this game. you cannot beat trump. if that was your brand, you are
seeing the bidding war on substance and on abortion for example. rubio locked himself into a pretty hard right position on abortion last night. huckabee went even further. we are going to see a differentiation on policy which is good for the primary but bad for the general. >> the answer to the question you put, compared to previous campaigns, no has the evangelicals the way mike huckabee did and pat robertson back in the 1980's. i might agree that cruz got a little bit of an edge but nothing like the candidates used that as the base to propel their candidacies. >> the evangelical vote is important in iowa. we have the southern primary in the first part of march and the evangelicals are strong in the south but different kind.
charlie: donald trump in the very first question said he's not ruling out the third-party candidacy. >> i would like to run an independent campaign against him and line up conservatives to take him out right there. [laughter] >> there are people who have a different point on that and they thought perot kept bush from winning the presidency. >> it is argued that perot's votes would have split in a couple of ways. i accept that data is accurate. i think in a higher level analysis, the effect of pero running-- perot, he was to defeat bush. his voters in the end split evenly, i think it had a corrosive effect. >> four million republicans voted for bill clinton.
if they would have voted for bush, he would have been the president. charlie: the republicans had the attention last night. what do you make so far of the campaign? >> if we didn't have donald trump, the biggest story would be the decline of hillary clinton's candidacy. judge her from when she left the secretary of state's office to today, it has been a remarkable collapse. and all the negative news stories that have eroded her pularity are not going to go away. i don't sense any concern about her winning a nomination. if she bounces back, that's a good thing. if these stories continue to take a toll on her, it's a problem for the democrats. >> who knows what would happen if she was facing the kind of field these republicans are
facing, but she's not. her biggest competitor is bernie sanders. i think what is interesting in our most recent cbs news poll when we asked democrats, do you think she is honest and trust worth, three out of four of them said yes. do you view her favorably? eight out of 10 said yes. a lot of these people say i'm going to hold my nose and vote for her and i really don't want to. our polling shows they are standing by her. when you throw that question open to the entire electorate, her numbers plummet. >> which is a killer. if they don't trust you, they are going not vote you. i think we are going to be competitive with her. she has not run a very good campaign to date and when white women are starting to move away
from her and if she can't hold white women, she ain't going to be a viable candidate at the end of the day. >> that was in our "wall street journal" poll that she did. she may be able to hold white women, but that's not all she has to do. she has to expand that her support among white women. the challenge is two-fold. hold them and grow, because they already have an expectation that the minority turnout, particularly moon african-americans once be at record levels given that barack obama is not on the ticket. when they try to build the obama coalition, they have to have a way to making up for a potential split among african-american voters. they need that to be white women and that looks to be a much bigger challenge for them than
we might have thought. that said, we are so early in this race and no one can predict what the historic nature of her candidacy might ultimately do to the female vote. >> she has runing one of the worst campaigns going. and think a terrible campaign. charlie: you think these emails will come out because somehow, somewhere, they will not have been deleted? >> it's all out there and the difference is, i don't worry about the house committee, but chuck grassley and chairman of the judiciary committee and he has a bone in his mouth. >> or a criminal investigation by the department of justice. charlie: ben? e don't want to see a rerun of bush-clinton? >> it's constant. i don't think it's definitive,
but it's out there and governor bush has to answer the question all the time and there are a lot f republicans that are fearful that a third bush presidency is too high hurdle to climb. they don't object to the bushes at all, but even more broadly in the country. i think it fades as people meet jeb bush and distinguish him as an individual, not just a member of a family. no question, there is a lot of talk about that. charlie: what will be the defining issue of this campaign? >> leadership and zreng in the international arena, what the game plan is, because the middle east will be bigger. charlie: leadership and foreign policy? >> somebody that can convince the country that america can lead again in the world. sort of what ed said but i put it differently, there's a
growing sense of pessimism about america's ability to lead in the world and if someone says that is not true and america is a good force in the world and we can still lead effectively, that's the candidate who is going to be president of the united states. >> foreign policy, presidential election in several cycles. the economy is improving a bit. charlie: are we looking at that as the decisive issue in the 2016 campaign? >> what's going on be on the plate of the next president and the big stuff is really foreign policy. >> i think we are going to come home. if we are talking about a general election, i think that many americans want to find out who is the person that they believe will get the economy
churning, not growing bit by bit but moving again. >> i agree with jean. i think the candidates need to clear a bar on foreign policy and need to strong they would be a strong commander of chief and have ideas. but what are you going to do about stagnant wages and rising cost of living, how am i go go to send my kids to college, what happened to the american dream, these are the kinds of questions. charlie: tough to answer. ♪
charlie: jason is best known for staring in "how i met your mother" and "forgetting sarah marshal" and plays in a new film, "the end of the tour." and this is a trailer. >> you want something better than he has. i want precisely what he has already. >> david. welcome to minneapolis. >> i'm david. >> hi. david and david. >> we only just met. >> what's this story about in your mind? >> what it's like to be the most
talked-about writer in the country. >> are you nervous? >> no. >> how are you? >> i'm terrified. >> what is with the bandana. >> i'm afraid my head is going to explode. >> if we ate like this all the time, what would be wrong with that? >> the best. >> isn't it reassuring to have a lot of people read you. >> the book is about anything. not the question of why, why am i doing it and what's so american about what i'm doing. >> your work is really personal, then reading you is another way of meeting you, right? >> that's so good. >> if there is sort of a sadness , it has something to do with pleasure and achievement and entertainment. emptiness of the heart of what
they thought was going on. >> i had a real serious fear of being a certain way. >> you don't crack open a 1,000-paged book because the guy is a regular guy. the guy is brilliant. >> i'm not so sure you want to be me. >> the more people think you are really great, the bigger the fear. >> stop you feeling lonely and what life is like and the conversation is the best one i ever had. > me talking into a tape recorder. charlie: called your performance sharp and sensitive. he joins me now about a conversation and about david foster wallace.
welcome. >> thank you. this is a real dream. charlie: how so? >> i watched your show growing up and i watched your interview with david foster wallace over and over again in prep for the movie. one of the few examples i had of him during this period, which is a really important distinct period because things are going well at that moment. and you see him as sharp as you can possibly see him, but also in my opinion. all of these things are big as i prepared to play him. things go as well as you have dreamed they will go and you are confronted with the fact that you still feel the same. and it's a very scary moment. charlie: tell me more about him. writer, i suppose he's a
who resonates with people so deeply. when i read it, it's the best way to tell you my experience with him. hen i read "infin it jest," it came at a particular time in my life where i had been working for 17 years in this business and varying degrees of success and some real high highs. and i found myself feeling dissatisfied. if anything was supposed to do it, dancing down the streets with the muppets should have have done it. for a guy like me, that should be it. i should go to sleep feeling good but i found that voice in the back of my head that tells you you are doing great or you're nhing. charlie: you're doing great, but it's not enough? > i read the book and i felt
like it was me or one of my friends, but with the emotional verb yadge that you had and arctic you late these feelings. try to ignore that you are embarrassed and you feel like, oh my god, i got a friend and he's willing to do the talking for me. charlie: this movie is about the tour he did where he was going from town to town, followed by a "rolling stone" writer who in a sense wanted to be him. >> a book comes out and people say it's a book of a generation. the awards have been decided. i would imagine as a writer himself, saying, if i could just get there. charlie: this is where i want to be. >> he is saying, i have bad
news. i just found out there is no there. this road goes on forever. so unless i make there right now, i'm going to have a hard time. charlie: this is the scene about him talking about his discomfort? >> i would love to do a profile on one of you guys doing a profile on me. it would be interesting. >> you think? >> i'm sorry, man. >> what's wrong? >> you are going to go back to new york and sit at your desk and shape this thing. to me, it's extremely disturbing. >> why. >> i would like to shape the impressions coming across. i don't know if i like you like you yet. so nervous whether you like me. charlie: that was for me to be able to pierce right through, which was the essence of the moment. >> i think somebody with the
biggest brain in the room at all times. and what a difficult thing it is just to feel normal and at one when you are aware of everyone's motivations at all times. david is able there to interview him. david wallace had done profiles and he is watching someone who probably had lesser skill at that, tried to dissect him. and he could see it happening. charlie: he knew all the moves so therefore he knew every moment. take a look at this, this is an interview that i did with david foster wallace, as i said to jason, list 10 of the interviews i get asked about the most, this is it. >> quick worrying about how you
are going to look. if you don't notice anymore. charlie: what did it do to you? read the "new york times." and one of the big talents of this generation. one of the talents who can do anything. that's the way i feel about you. i'm a little bit -- i hear a brain at work there. here do you want it to go? that kind of stuff, i associate very well and useful talent. writing for a publication is a wheered thing because part of you is a neered. and you are very shy. and look at me, look at me, look at me and have fantasy about iting something, like al
jolson. but to get a little bit of it is very, very strange because very often for me, i didn't read the views, i wanted it to be extraordinary sad and not particularly post modern or jumbled up or fractured and the reviewers seemed to like it because it was funny or interestingly fractured. charlie: i just talking to him and his whole capacity of language. >> i think he was defining words . i could be wrong. i heard him say something else on a recording because the "rolling stone" reporter recorded these four days and made them available to me. david says, it must feel good to have people respond to the book the way they have.
and he says well, i'm not a dummy. i'm paraphrasing. a lot of these reviews came out two weeks after the book came out. it takes three months to read this book properly. the reviews are about the buzz of the book. charlie: and insightful, too. you were not an obvious choice for this. and why did the director want you, because he made up his mind pretty quickly. >> it was an interesting moment for me as a man. the director said that he saw something behind my eyes and my omedy. i knew what he was talking about. but to have somebody so -- to have somebody point it out so
explicitly and say i see this and this is nothing for you to be ashamed of, you should build around that. that's special. charlie: what's amazing to me and admiring as well is that you realize that you can pay attention to the people who dn't think you were right or visualized david foster wallace, which necessarily wasn't your way. and you just said i'm not going to pay attention to that. i'm going to pay attention to capture him and understand him, his voice, and all that. >> here's the challenge. you have to take your ego out of it, which i have gotten much better at doing. there is a version of being resentful.
it's not going to help me. what actually is the truth when i heard that, i totally understood because you butt up against the people's imagination. they have plenty going on to have a view of what they are capable of doing. it's just not their job. what was my job was to eliminate all of the voices that were telling me i couldn't do it and to be honest. the loudest one was my own. i wasn't worried about anybody else's voice but the part of me who might have tried to play the part apoll getically. and if i don't buy it, nobody else does. charlie: about the same height? >> yes. charlie: i'm always interested in whether a director is influenced not only by talent, which he obviously is, bu also by physical resemblance.
he has made you look like david foster wallace. >> it was aamazing team of hair and makeup and wardrobe and we had a photograph. we knew what he looked like during that period. and it's like you said. what you are trying to balance especially coming from comedy is accuracy versus butting up against an impression. you don't want it to feel like he is doing david foster wallace. you want to get to the point somehow where you have captured a witch's brew of things so the audience is willing to say, for the next hour and a half he is david foster wallace. charlie: i don't see an act trying to imitate david foster wallace. >> by the time they said action, confidence enough to feel that way. charlie: i wondered the talent
he had, there was anything anybody could have done to stop him to hang himself and commit suicide. >> i just don't know. i think it's very most unqualified to answer the question. i think when you deal with issues like this and we all have varying degrees of these feelings, but i think when you have them rather acutely, one of to things is it is your job manage your feelings like a twifted ankle. i'm aware i have to stand at the end of this interview. charlie: and know what it's going to feel like. >> if i'm not careful, these feelings are there and they are going to take me for a ride, someplace i have no control over. i think you lose control over -- diligence.ittle less
he writes beautifully about depression in a lot of his work and the sort of overpowering nature. you know, you hear this idea of like just can of feel your way out of it. and i think it shows the lack of understanding of how completely immerse i have that feeling is. harlie: have you talked to lipsy that much? >> yes. when he talks about using every mental gym as particulars, using t at his disposal just to feel ok. and one of the things that is raised in the movie, is he putting this on for him. i don't think it's for his own benefit. to construct a version of yourself where you feel ok moment to moment.
a lot of this stuff is fake it until you make it. i'm going to choose to feel ok today. charlie: we have done programs about depression, there are people who have been there and are there, talk about how severe the pain is, just pain. >> there is a passage where a girl is brought into the hospital after a failed suicide attempt and the doctor says why did you want to hurt yourself? she said i was trying to end the pain. charlie: interesting thing about david and talked about and at the core of the film is this servation of this and in the throes but wants to be bemused by it or more.
>> what a tough dichotomy where to feel normal and at one with what's going on and everyone wants you to be something other. charlie: want you to be the person they want you to be. >> you need them to be other than you, because it justifies r lipsky why his book didn't so well or because he is david foster wallace. charlie: if i was where he is. this is another clip, talking about the appeal of more is et. >> tell me about that poster over there. i don't know, i like her like everybody else. >> she's pretty. >> she is pretty in a very sloppy way, very human way.
she has this squeaky or gas milk gasmic. to her -- or they don't look like anybody that you know. you can't imagine them putting a quarter in a parking meter or i have imagined her chowing down on a baloney sandwich. charlie: he is thinking out loud. >> i noticed during one of the things during your interview, i never saw someone construct an argument off-the-cuff. and one of the things that i noticed -- do you remember a movie called "minority report?" and he has a computer screen to move this information around. and it was like a man with all the information at his disposal,
moving stuff around. he was talking with his hands like he was conducting language. charlie: what was the toughest part for you? >> a movie like this is a test of how honest you are willing to be on screen. there are not big plot movements in the moveey but if you are willing to go there because these are emotions and people talking about feelings of loneliness and dissatisfaction and depression and thoughts of suicide and that going to feel like i'm reciting something somebody else said or am i willing to speak from the heart. that's what felt like the biggest challenge. charlie: at the time that you -- you are about 34? you were 34. and he was about 34 at this time
in his life. and you were thinking about the idea of where do i fit in and i have huge success on television but not exactly what i define as who i am. >> i think was at a point -- i was feeling a real separation between what i was thinking about and what i was putting on screen, which doesn't feel good when you write your own material. i look back and it is reflective of where i was at 24 years old where a breakup is the biggest thing in the world and call it the breakup, like anyone else cares. to some extent, i got less brave about my choices and i thought i had success doing this thing and i will continue doing that. at some point i started to feel like why am i continuing to do this. harlie: what happened to david
lipsky? >> he went on to write the article, did not get published when he came back from these four days. charlie: why was it never published? >> it ended up being published after david foster wallace passed away. he came back and there was sort of a heroin epidemic going on to cover lipsky was this story. and when he came back, it was three months after the book came out and in the book world, it is a lifetime. charlie: timely. and today, he writes? what does he say about it? >> this movie is based on david lip sky's book, which is basically a transcript of the four days. david lipsky recorded all of
this on his tape recorder. so it's a really beautiful memory of these four days with him. and i think it meant a great deal to david lipsky. but i think he would do differently. charlie: what helped you get david foster wallace? >> honestly, i think there was informative than reading "infin it jest." that is the most greatest thing i read. i feel like he is every single one of those characters. and felt like a man speaking in meta phor than fiction. you have a recovery house in boston as one of the prongs. the second is a tennis academy which represents achievement and
the third is this international conspiracy involving entertainment. and these are the central themes he was thinking about. he was thinking about fame and he was thinking about achievements and he was thinking about things like addiction. charlie: he was not thinking about death? >> i don't know. i don't know the answer to that is the most honest answer i can give you. if i had to guess, i actually think there were moments that he probably was. charlie: you would think to because of what he did. >> we're all the same. so my experience would be that when you are dealing with things like that, you are thinking about all that stuff. charlie: you thought one of his endearing qualities was empathy. >> yeah. that's the same premise that we are all the same.
our emotions are very similar, if you strip away the ego on top of it. i think that's why his writing resonates, because you feel like it's you. it's the way people when you read "catcher in the rye" in high school. and now you have read someone. charlie: somebody has said what you think better than you can say it. like they have been inside your mind and repeated it to you in a way that was more crystal and clear. gift of a writer. >> i felt a great deal of empathy for people who felt ownership of david foster wallace when they heard i was cast. charlie: you had been tampering with something that was dear to me and admiration and respect for him and i don't want you to